Condensed Transcript IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA Plaintiff, CASE NO. -vs- 502008CA028051 X.XXXMB AD JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. DEPOSITION OF LARRY VISOSKI October 15, 2009 10:18 p.m. 515 N. Flagler Drive Suite P200 West Palm Beach, Florida Reported By: Wendy Beath Anderson Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard ESQUIREa* Alexarter Gallo Coop or Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110326 Larry ViSOSki October 15, 2009 3 I P4 114£ CIRCUIT COURT OP TIM TIPTIMITE J-3DICIAL CIKUIT 1 • . - IN MD IOR MLR REACH 010.TY, PLOPZDA CASE MO. 5020010101POSIx110111 AD 2 INDEX 3 • • • 4 Plaintiff. 5 WITNESS: DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS 6 JeFTISC nmxx. LARRY VLSOSK1 Defendant. 7 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 MOOStt10N OP LAY vilest! a BY MR. CRITTON: 214 rIturenay, October 15. 3004 BY MR. EDWARDS: 220 toils - 1:11 pa. 9 BY MR. CRITTON: 221 10 511 N. Plagler Drive 11 Suite Me Neer MIN. Satoh, florid.. 1)401 12 • • • 13 EXHIBITS 1141p9ftej Sy, 14 • • - Wendy death Anderson, RPR, CRR. PPR 15 votary Public, State Of Plorida ,racialre Direesttlen Ninglowil 16 NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE int pale brad, Office Jeb 113)541 17 PLAINTIFFS EX. 1 FLIGHT LOG BOOT( (MARKED IN PREVIOUS DEPO) 28 19 PLAINTIFFS EX. 2 MESSAGE PAD 119 PLAINTIFF'S EX. 3 MESSAGE PAD 119 20 PLAINTIFF'S EX. 4 COMPLAINT 139 PLAINTIFF'S EX. 5 INMATE VISITOR LOG 161 21 22 23 24 25 2 4 APPEARANCES: 1 PROCEEDINGS On behalf of the Plaintiff: 2 ... BRADLEY J. EDWARDS. ESQUIRE T ADLER 3 Deposition taken before Wendy Beath Anderson. 4 Certified Rash'rne Reporter and Notary Pudic in and for 5 the State of Florida at Large. in the above cause. 6 --- On behalf of the Defendant: ROBERT D. CRITTON, JR., ESQUIRE 7 MR. EDWARDS: We're going to put something on ITT 8 the record about -- well, we'll do it this way - 9 MR. REINHART: Do it at the end, alter we get 10 10 him -- whatever you want. It's your show. 12 On behalf of die Witness: 11 12 MR. EDWARDS: Okay. There were -- I don't 12 oven think Mr. Welds Is aware of this. There was 13 13 a subpoena duces team for this witness, as well as 1111= 14 the previous witness, which was another pilot. Dave 14 as ALSO PRESENT: is Rogers. and that duces tocurn was to bring the 16 MES E UtRE 16 flight logs related from 1998 through 2005. What 17 27 was produced at the previous deposition were flight is TIME i R WITZ PA. 1$ logs from 2002 through 2005, and now Mr. Reinhart 19 19 has agreed to produce the remainder of the flight 20 logs requested, those going from 1998 through 2002. 20 RICHARD H. WILLITS. ESQUIRE (VIA TELEPHONE) 21 MR. REINHART: Correct. They're pilot logs, 22 A P.A. 22 not night logs. There are other records we 22 23 Indicated are corporate records, and with those you 23 24 have to deal with Mr. Critton. 24 25 25 MR. CRITTON: However, with the proviso, too, Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 ESQUIRE Oalloo ComPal 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beath Gardens, FL 33410 vnvw.esquiresolutlons.com EFTA01110327 Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 5 7 that we're going to work out that these records are 1 the question and you need to wait until I finish asking to be used within the confines of this litigation 2 the question. and not to be spread to the press or anyone else. 3 A. So yotfre not allowed to interrupt me? because they do contain confidential information as 4 O. And you're not allowed to interrupt me. to who may have been on the plane and other records 5 A. Like I just did? of Mr. Rogers, which but for the subpoena would 6 O. Right. have been only available to the FAA or some other 7 MR. CRITTON: Cara just snickered when you law enforcement agencies. a said yotfve been accused because she recognizes 9 MR. EDWARDS: Okay. Is that all you want to 9 irs true. 10 put on? 13 MR. EDWARDS: I don't know what the meaning of 11 MR. CRITTON: Yes. 11 her snickering was. 12 MR. EDWARDS: I'm not saying I necessarily 12 BY MR. EDWARDS: 13 agree or disagree with you. Thais something that 13 Q. But for what ifs worth, if you don't 14 well deal with some other day. 14 understand the question or I've asked a bad question, I 15 MR. CRITTON: Bruce, you'd better produce 15 don't want you to guess. Give me the best answer to the 16 these records, but there has to be some sort of 16 best of your knowledge and if you need me to rephrase 17 understanding before - 17 rt. I wilt 18 MR. REINHART: Correct. 18 A. Okay. 19 MR. EDWARDS: I won't do anything until you 19 O. Okay. Tell me your current address. 20 file whatever you - until we work whatever it is 20 A 21 out in court. ill say that on the record, that U 22 I'm not doing anything with the records outside of 22 Q. How long have you lived there? 23 my office until some Judge deals with It. 23 A. Approximately nine years. 24 MR. REINHART: And for the record, I'll adopt 24 Q. Okay. Who do you live there with? 25 what Mr. Craton said on this one limited occasion. 25 A. My wife and one chid al this tine. 6 8 MR. EDWARDS: Al right. 1 O. All right. How many children do you have? 2 Thereupon. 2 A. Two. (LARRY VISOSKI) 3 Q. How old are they? 4 having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined 4 A. Fifteen and eighteen. 5 and testified as follows: 5 Q. And is the 18-year-old, is not living with THE WITNESS: Yes, I do. 6 you? DIRECT EXAMINATION 7 A. She's off in school. 8 BY MR. EDWARDS: a Q. Okay. What school Is that? 9 Q. Can you tell us your name for the record 9 A. Syracuse. 10 A. Lawrence Visoski, Jr. 10 Q. Who's your employer right now? 11 Q. And Mr. Visoski, have you ever had your 11 A. NES, LLC. 12 deposition taken before? 12 Q. How long has NES, LLC been your employer? 13 A. No. 13 A. I'm guessing. I'd say back 1991. I have to 14 O. Okay. Here's the process: I'm going to ask 14 do the math, but 17, 18 years. 15 you questions. You're going to give us answers. Try to 15 O. Has that been your only employer since 1991? 16 give us answers that we all understand and that the 16 A. Yes. 17 court reporter can take down, such as yes, no. or some 17 O. And has that been your only source of income 18 other verbal answer that we can understand. It's easy 18 since 1991? 19 when we get in a casual conversation to nod or shake 19 A. Yes. 20 your head, and the court reporter is not writing 20 Q. And what is NES, LLC? 21 pictures or anything else. 21 A. I don't really know. I mean, rt's the company 22 A. I understand. 22 that my check comes from. 23 O. The other thing is, and I've been accused of 23 Q. What do you do for NES, Lie that results in 24 this In other depositions -- I donl know if it's true 24 them paying you? 25 or not -- but I need to wait until you finish answering 25 A. I am chief pilot for the aircraft and Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 ESQUIR .m E 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 irnvw.esquiresolutIons.coM EFTA01110328 Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 9 11 . helktopters. 1 O What floor or suite number is NES. LLC In? 0. And do you have a specific boss or somebody 2 A. I believe — well, I don't know that NES, LLC you answer to at NES, LLC? A has an office there. I know that's where Leslie has the A. Several people would call to schedule flights 4 phone number where I call So I don't know for a fact from the office, being it either Mr. Epstein or, you 5 rf NES. LLC has an office there. know. I would lust get a phone call and they would 6 O. And whet suite number, then, would Leslie schedule a trip. 7 Gruff sit in to answer that telephone number at Q. Okay. Aside from Mr. Epstein, who else would MIM A. I think It's 10F. 9 there be that would call to schedule flights? 9 10 A Leslie. 10 Q. And when you stay a 11 0. Leslie who? 11 what suite number or what apartment number do you stay 12 A. Leslie Gruff. 13 in? 13 Q. When's the last time you talked to Leslie 13 A. 12C. 14 Gruff? 14 0. And how about Dave Rogers, where does he stay? 15 A. Probably two weeks ago, three weeks ago. 15 A. I'm guessing, because it's been some time 16 Q. And where is she currently? 16 since we've been there, 108, but don't quote me on 17 A. I believe in New York, is where I spoke to her 17 0. Who are the other people in that building that 18 on the phone last. 18 you know to stay there on a reguku — fairly regular 19 Q. What's the telephone number you call to reach 19 basis? 20 Leslie Gruff? 20 A. the seen people in the elevator that. you 21 A. 21 know, have been on the airplane. Case in point. maybe 22 Q. And what address is Leslie Gruff at? 22 but I dorYt know totaled that she Wes 23 A. Do you mean where the office Is located? 23 there, or anybody else for that matter. 24 0. Correct 24 0. Okay. When you say you've mein.. 25 A. 25 on the elevator 10 12 1 0. And It's my understanding from other A. I only assume she Wes there. I don't know 2 depositions that there are also apartments In trial. 2 for a fact. rm hying to be honest and factual for building? 3 you. So I couldn't honestly say if I knew she lived 4 A. Yes. 4 there or not 5 Q. And Mr. Epstein either owns or leases or rents 5 0. Where do you thine Wes? 6 certain of those apartments. Is that your 6 A. I would think she lives there. 7 understanding? 0. You don't have a bettor location? a MR. CROTON: Form; speculation. 8 A. I don't have another location. 9 THE WITNESS: I'm only speculating. I 9 0. Anybody else? 10 don't -- to my understanding, I don't know. 2o A. Not to my knowledge. I mean, I'd only be 11 BY MR. EDWARDS: 11 guessing that people We in that builckng that -- you 12 0. Do you know other people that live in that 12 know, I don't have any facts to prove that they actually 13 building? 13 live there. I mean, I don't think you want me to guess. 14 A. Well, it would be myself. Dave Rogers - wet 0. Well, NES, LLC, would you say that the owner 35 when you say "live,' explain. 15 or controller of that company Is Jeffrey Epstein? 16 0. When you're saying yourself and Dave Rogers - 16 MR. CRITTON: Form. 17 A. See, we don't live there. I mean, we have -- 17 THE WITNESS: I don't know that for a tact. 18 we would stay there when we would have a trip. 1e BY MR. EDWARDS: 19 Q. Okay. When you would fly up to New York and 19 0. Jeffrey Epstein is somebody you've Indicated 20 land in New Yogic, the place where you would stay, is 20 that you've worked for for 17 or 18 years, right? 21 the 21 A, Yes. 22 A. Yes, that's corned. 22 0. And over the 17 or 18 years you've become 23 0. That's also a location you've indicated in 23 personally close with him as wee, correct? 24 this deposition that Is the office for NES, LLC? 24 MR. CRITTON: Form. 25 A. Yes. 25 THE WITNESS I Oaf* understand how you mean Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 ESQUIRE •• SOM.!. Oal *U./al 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esqulresolutlons.com EFTA01110329 Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 13 is 1 'dose.' Define that. 1 you know. televisions and such. 2 BY MR. EDWARDS: 2 O. Is that another hobby or job or something of 3 a Wel, rpm so than just a pilot that takes him 3 yours? 4 from Point A to Point B? 4 A. Both. 5 A. That is my job. 5 O. Does he pay you for that? 6 O. Right. But you know him on a personal level 6 A. Not any more than my salary. 7 and that you've had personal conversations that don't 7 O. What's your current salary? 8 necessarily deal with flying from Point A to Point B; A. At this time, 180,000. 9 isn't that right? 9 O. And what aro you paid $180,000 to do? 10 MR. CRITTON: Form. 10 A. To manage his aircraft. 11 THE WITNESS: More specific, meaning we talk 11 O. What does that entail? 12 about cars. I mean, does that make you a personal 12 A. Schedufing maintenance. Anything that has to 13 friends? 13 do with any flight, whether it be weather, flight 14 BY MR. EDWARDS: 14 planning, time and distance to and from a location, any 15 O. Have you ever gone to his house to eat? 15 logistics involved In running an operation that has 16 A. No. 16 aircraft. 17 O. Have you been to his New York home? 17 O. In addition to the 180,000, does he give yc. 18 A. Yes. 1$ bonuses as welt? 19 O. How many occasions have you been to his New 19 A. There have been Christmas bonuses. 20 York home? 20 O. Over the years, you mean, there have been 21 MR. CRITTON: Object to form. 21 Christmas bonuses? 22 THE WITNESS: We normally pick up luggage In 22 A. Yes. 23 the lobby, so it would probably be quite often. 23 O. Is 180,000 the most he's ever paid you? 24 Any time we depart out of New York, we stop by the 24 A. No. 2S house and pick up luggage and head to the aircraft. 25 O. All right Were you making when was the 14 16 BY MR. EDWARDS: 1 last time that you were making an amount different than 2 O. Other than picking up luggage, have you been 2 180,000? 3 to his home to visit or socialize with him? 3 A. Last year. 4 A. Not to socialize, no. 4 O. That would be 2008? s a Have you been to his Palm Beach home? A. That would be correct. Yeah, we all took a A. To? 6 salary cut, I don't know the exact date. It might have O. To Mr. Epstoin's Palm Beach house? 7 been 2008, last year. It was last Christmas wo all took 8 A. Right. 8 a 10 percent salary cut. 9 O. Have you been there? 9 Q. Do you know why? 10 A. Yes. 10 A. Economic reasons. 11 O. Have you been inside? 11 O. And who told you that you were going to have 12 A. Yes. 12 to take the salary cut? 13 O. And how many occasions have you been inside 13 A. Darren Indyke. 14 that home? 14 Q. And did you ask for an explanation? 15 A. The same, as far as picking up luggage, and 15 A. lie explained it was due to economic reasons 16 that would be on a regular basis, you know, for a 16 throughout the country. 17 departure. We wouldn't always go to the house to pick 17 O. Okay. So In 2008, how much was -- were you 18 up luggage, but it made it easier for loading the 18 being paid by NES, LLC? 19 aircraft getting it done prior to departure. 19 A. 200.000. 20 Q. Is that the only reason that you have ever 20 O. And is 200,000 the most that you've ever made 22 gone to the Palm Beach home over the last 18 years. is 21 from NES, LLC? 22 to pick up luggage? 22 A. Yes. sir. 23 A. No. 23 O. And on top of that $200,000, did you get a 24 Q. What other reasons have you gone there? 24 bonus that year as well? 25 A I've set up several home theater equipments. 25 MR. REINHART: Which year are you bildng Toll Free: 866.709.8277 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 ESQUIRE 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 veew.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110330 Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 17 19 about? 1 my paycheck. So I don't even know what's written on the MR. EDWARDS: 2008. 2 lop of it. THE WITNESS: That year, I think we skipped 3 0. That would be something that only your wife Christmas bonuses that year. The last bonus might 4 would see. I'm assuming? have been 2007. 5 A. You're right, since she probably wouldn't know BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 the answer either, because she's looking et the right Q. If you ever got a bonus from Mr. Epstein — 7 column and not the top column. and I'm only deriving this from you using the term a 0. Right. When is the first time that you had 9 'Christmas bonus' 9 heard the name NES, LLC, that company? 10 A. Holiday bonus. 10 A. Fwe. Six years, and even questioned what'd 11 Q. -- am I correct to assume sorry. Am I 11 stood for. And I think to this day I couldn't answer 12 correct to assume that if you got a bonus, there was 12 that honestly, what It stands for. 13 only one and it was at the end of the year, around the 13 0. Okay. But it's your understanding that the 14 holidays? 14 NES, LLC is paying you for the work that you do as a 15 A. Yes. 15 pilot or maintain the planes for Jeffrey Epstein? 16 Q. Okay. And how much was the 2007 holiday 16 A. To my understanding, yes. 17 bonus? 17 a And back In 1991. do you know If It was a 18 A. I'd have to ask my wife. to be honest. I 18 dffereert company that was paying you or if it was 19 haven't seen my paycheck in 27 years. so I believe it 19 Jeffrey Epstein directly paying you? 20 was 310.000. 30 A. I don't remember. I mean, I don't 21 Q. And in 2007 you also made $200,000? 21 0. Okay. Throughout your career with -- as a 22 A. Yes. 22 pilot laJeffrey Epstein, since 1991, has there ever 23 Q. Okay. 23 been a time when you believe you we paid directly from 24 A. With a question mark. I'm trying to be as 24 Jeffrey Epstein personally versus some company? 25 accurate as I can, but yes. 25 A. Not to my kncrertedge, no. 18 20 0. Something pretty close to mat? 0. Okay. So whether s was NES. LLC or some A. Yes, sir. 2 other company, it was all of a sudden a company name, to 0. Okay. So with the bonus it was 210,000. 3 the best of your linoviedge? roughly? 4 A. Exactly, yes. 5 A. Right. 5 0. And back in 1991, do you remember 0. Okay. And how long were you making that 6 approximately how much you were being paid that year? salary? 7 A. Fifty-live or 80.000. is maybe what I started. A. Probably -- he was very religious about giving 8 0. Okay. 9 annual increases. so I would probably say 2006, you A. You're going back a long ways. 10 know. It was -- we would get Increment increases of 10 0. Yes. 11 five or $10,000 each year. So I would say 2006. So it 11 A. I'm trying. 12 graduated. you know, progressive. 13 0. Your relationship goes back that far. There 13 0. Okay. Do you remember the progression if we 13 why I those that year. 14 start at 1991? Do you remember roughly what the 14 A. Right. 15 progression was up through 2007/2008, when you were 15 0. Okay. Did you get bonuses even back that far? 16 making $200,000? 16 A. Yes, sir. 17 A. No, I wouldn't know the progression. 17 0. And do you remember what your bonuses were 15 0. Okay. Do you remember what you were making as approiknately? 19 from -- and was NES, LLC the company paying you back in 19 A. 5,000. I mean. that was laird of the — the 20 1991? 20 starting point. 21 A. I don't know. I don't remember. Let me say 21 0. Okay. In addition to moneary bonuses. were 22 it that way. I don't remember. 22 there ever gifts or any other type of compensation that 23 O. Okay. When how long do you remember NES, 21 NES, LLC or Jeffrey Epstein provided you? 24 LW being the payer of your check? 24 A. Yes. 25 A. Personally, two years. because I've never seen 25 0. And is that over the span of the 18 years? Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 ESQUIRE a* A nat. Gall* Ceasan 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutIons.coM EFTA01110331 Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 21 23 A. Yes. 1 Q. But more so than that, if there's going to bo O. Okay. Ten me what some of those items are. 2 a casual conversation about a peel or a pool heater or A. I remember one specifically was a pool heater. 3 whatever, Ws going to be with you most likely if he's Q. Excuse me? 4 going to be talking to pilots, right? A. A pool heater. 5 MR. CRITTON: Form. Q. When was that? 6 THE WITNESS: Right. 1995-ish. 7 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. Why did you get that? O. Okay. And you feel like over the years yoke 9 A. I had built a pool and I didn't have a heater 9 relationship with Jeffrey Epstein has boon pretty good? 10 and he kind of laughed at me saying, 'How can you have a 10 A. Yes. 11 pool without a heater?' So he says, 'You ought to get a 11 O. And you have been closer to him over the years 12 heater." 12 as you've grown to know him? 13 Q. Where were you when you had that conversation? 13 MR. CRRTON: Form. 14 A. In the airplane. 14 THE WITNESS: The same throughout the same 15 O. How ofd he know that you had bunt a pool? 15 year. We never got any closer than 1991 than I am 16 A. Just in general conversation, 16 wilt him now. I'm very professional at what I do 17 O. You were having a conversation with Jeffrey 17 and know the line between being professional and 18 Epeteli? 18 thinking you're somebody's buddy. 19 A. Yes. 19 BY MR. EDWARDS: 20 O. And this is something that was happening on 20 O. Okay. So thars not something that you think 21 the airplane, this conversation? 21 you are? You don't think you're his buddy? 22 A. Dung the flight Yeah, It would have been 22 A. No, sir. 23 We on cruise or something. 23 O. Do you consider yourself his friend? 24 Q. Okay. When you say during the flight,' does 24 A. I believe so. 2s that — 25 Q. Do you think he considers you his friend? 22 24 A. Again, you're going back a long ways. 1 A. I think so. 2 O. I understand. We're larking about 1995 right 2 O. All right. What makes you think that? now. 3 MR. CARTON: Speculation. A. Yes. 4 THE WITNESS, He's always been kind and 5 O. You're having a conversation with Jeffrey 5 respectful. 6 Epstein. Who is flying the airplane? 6 BY MR. EDWARDS: 7 A. The auto pilot and there's two crew. O. Ever invited you to dinner? 8 O. Okay. So are you back in the back portion or A. No, sir. 9 Is he up In the cockpit? 9 Q. Have you ever associated or socialized with 10 A. Up in the cockpit. t0 him during the day at any of his homes? 11 O. Okay. Jeffrey Epstein sometimes comes up 11 A. Only during a business reason. 12 there? 12 O. Okay. What are the other are the places 13 A. Just, yeah, in between the two pilot seats. 13 that you believe that Mr. Epstein owns? I know we've 14 Q. All right. Is that something that was 14 talked about this Manhattan -- the Manhattan house. 15 typical, to have conversations like that? IS I've read the altos about it, the Palm Beach mansion. 16 A. Mm-hmm. 16 But what other places are you familiar with that 1? O. Yes? 17 Mr. Epstein owns? 18 A. Yes. No nodding. 18 MR. CRITTON: Form; predicate, speculation. 19 O. And woukl those conversations be directed 19 THE WITNESS: To answer it honestly. I don't 20 mainly with you or with the other pilots as well? 20 know specifically that he owns any of the 21 A. Mainly with me. 21 residences, to be honest. I would only assume that 22 Q. I mean, you've kind of been described as the 22 he owns. So if you want me to answer honestly. I 23 main guy or the main pilot. Wouldn't you consider that 23 don't know that he owns any of the other. 24 pretty much your role, right? 24 BY MR. EDWARDS: 25 A. Well, that's chief pia 25 Q. Okay. Well, what would be the basis for your Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 ESQUIR nA""...“E _." 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, Ft. 33410 www.esquiresolutlons.com EFTA01110332 Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 25 27 assumption that he owns the home in Pakn Beach? 1 O. Am those private airports? 2 A. He goes there, but I don't assume -- you don't 2 A. Public. a have to own a house to go to it. 3 O. Public, okay. Are there any private landing Q. And not only does he go there, you're aware places where you would land any airplanes in New Mexico? that he spends the night there: he resides there 5 A. There are. 6 sometimes, correct? 6 0. That you have landed A. Yes. 7 A. That I have. 5 0. When he's in Palm Beach, Mat's where he — 0. - his airplane? 9 A. He sloops. 9 A. Yes. 10 0. sleeps? Right. When he's in New York, do 10 0. Where? 11 you know where he sleeps? 11. A. We have a 4500-foot strip on the ranch. 12 A. No. 12 0. When you say 'we.' yourself and somebody' 13 Q. But you've been to a particular house in New 13 A. The company. 14 York that's a very large house that we've all read about 14 Q. What company? 15 that you picked up luggage at, right? 15 A. Well. I should say I see where you're going 16 A. Yes, sir. 16 waft that. The ranch owns — whoever owns the ranch. 17 MR. CRITTON: Form. 17 The ranch has a runway on it. 18 BY MR. EDWARDS: 16 Q. Okay. And you've landed an airplane on that 19 0. And that home, do you know that — I know that 19 noway? 20 you're saying that you haven't done a public record 20 A. That ranch. yes. 21 search to make sure that Jeffrey Epstein owns it. 21 Q. How many times do you think you've landed 22 A. Yeah. 22 there? 23 0. But you assume that he does? 23 A. Ten. 24 A. Assuming. 24 Q. All right. And have you been inside his 25 0. That's where he sleeps when he's in New York? 25 ranch? 26 28 MR. CRITTON: Form. 1 A. Yes. 2 THE WITNESS: I assume. 2 MR. CRITTON: Form to the last question. 3 BY MR. EDWARDS: 3 MR. REINHART: Can you clarify, the physical 4 0. That's where his luggage is when you pick it 4 ranch or the residences or the structures on the up? 5 ranch? 6 A. Doesn't mean he owns It. 6 MR. EDWARDS: I don't have a good visual 0. Right. But that's where it is? 7 appreciation for it. A. Yes, sir. 8 BY MR. EDWARDS: 9 0. Do you know of anybody else who owns that home 9 Q. Why don't you describe it in your words what 10 in New York? 10 this ranch Mal We are talking about looks like. And 11 A. No. 11 I've heard it referred to as the Zorro Ranch. Have you 12 0. Okay. Have you been to his ranch in New 12 heard that? 13 Mexico? 13 A. I've heard that. 14 A. Yes. 14 0. That's the ranch we're all familiar with, 15 MR. CFUTTON: Form. 15 we're talking about where the runway is and everything 16 BY MR. EDWARDS: 16 else? 17 0. How many times have you been to his ranch in 17 A. Yes. 18 New Mexico? 18 0. Describe it in your own words, the landscaping 19 MR. CRITTON: Form: predicate. 19 of this ranch. What do we have on it? 20 THE WITNESS: A guesstimate. fifty times, only 20 A. There is a house up on the hal, a large 21 due to the fact that we would fly there. 21 house. 22 BY MR. EDWARDS: 22 O. How big? 23 0. And where would you land? 23 A. Big. I've read 40,000 square feet In the 24 A. Depending upon the aircraft, either 24 paper. 25 Albuquerque or Santa Fe. 25 O. Have you been to it? Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 ESQUIRE 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquIresolutions.corn EFTA01110333 Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 29 31 1 A. Yes. 1 A. Yes. sir. 2 Q. Does that seem like it's feasible, 2 Q. And he sleeps there? 3 approximately 40,000 -- 3 A. Yes. 4 A. I think so. yes. 4 Q. Okay. 5 Q. What else do we have on it? A. I assume he does. 6 A. There Is a compound that hes kind of motel 6 0. You assume he sleeps? 7 room type -- they call it bunkhouse. 7 A. I do. I think. 8 0. Where's the bunkhouse located? 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. At the entrance to the ranch. 9 MR. CRI1TON: This Is really -- 10 0. Okay. And what Is that primarily used for? 10 BY MR. EDWARDS: 11 A. For the people that work on the ranch, they 11 0. Other than the pool heater in 1995. have you 12 reside there. It's also a place where anybody that 12 ever received any other gifts on top of the compensation 13 traveled on the airplane would stay. It's lTd of Eke, 13 from Mr. Epstein? 14 you know, a hotel room. 14 A. I did get land on the ranch to build a house. 15 0. And how far is that from the first house that 15 Q. What do you mean you got land on the ranch? 16 you deserted, the 40.000 square foot house? 16 A. He deeded me land to build a home. 17 A. Its probably 4 miles. 17 Q. When was that? is Q. Okay. So the Zone Ranch is a rather large 1$ A. Ten years ago at least 19 area of property? 19 Q. Do you know 4 he's ever deeded anyone else in 20 A. Yes. 20 this world land on the ranch to bultd a home?