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12/4/2019 Present for the interview was AUSA AUSA- and Special Agent along with attorney wanted to provide clarification from her last interview in regards to when she first learned about the investigation into EPSTEIN, saying that her feelings were a progression. received a payment from EPSTEIN in late 2018. and were left with a gutted apartment and they could not get a bank loan. When stopped working for EPSTEIN, they still talked regularly and visit together when he was in town. spoke to EPSTEIN monthly. spoke to EPSTEIN about their situation. asked to borrow money from EPSTEIN. They were waiting for stocks to go public but it kept getting delayed. At the end of November 2018, met EPSTEIN at his New York house and told him about their financials, saying that she only had $100,000 in her bank account. While was meeting with EPSTEIN, he picked up the phone and called his accountant RICHARD KAHN to wire her $250,000. This meeting with EPSTEIN happened because LESLEY GROFF told her to come and meet him if she was in New York. EPSTEIN told not to tell anyone about giving her the money but did not tell her why she should not tell anyone. assumed it was because EPSTEIN did not want to feel bad about it. and kept separate finances. EPSTEIN also gave $100,000 when married did not think she received other money from EPSTEIN. told and about received money from EPSTEIN. called and told her that he gave her $100,000; then told that EPSTEIN gave her money as well. told that EPSTEIN called her and asked her if she could use or needed money. was struggling with her aviator company. thought that EPSTEIN was just feeling generous with them. At this time, had $100,000 in cash and approximately $200,000 to $300,000 in stocks of Apple, etc. [Agent note: lawyer asked to review documents before discussing questions regarding financials further.] Since approximately 2016, has had financial problems. would see EPSTEIN once every couple/few months depending on where they both were at the time. told EPSTEIN that "it was rough". EPSTEIN came to Miami to meet with an architect and to help thought this was in early 2018 — months before their conversation in November. had asked EPSTEIN to come to her apartment in Miami. gave EPSTEIN a rundown of the renovations, burn rate, and cash. EPSTEIN told them he did not see how they could keep the apartment, saying it did not all add up. EPSTEIN told her that she cannot put her head in the sand. EPSTEIN tried to get to come back and work for him as a property manager; he would pay her $200,000. did not want to go back and work for EPSTEIN. When would have conversations with EPSTEIN, they would talk about her working for him again. EFTA00173820 EPSTEIN told that she would always be safe and he would always take care of her. EPSTEIN sent an email once saying "100% safe". and EPSTEIN discussed IPO delays and shares; it was supposed to be in January but did not happy to July. stocks were locked up for a while. brought up the financial discussion with EPSTEIN. did not know what EPSTEIN wanted to talk to her about when GROFF called. did not ask EPSTEIN for money. EPSTEIN had another meeting after he met with thanked EPSTEIN and sent an email after thanking him. lent the money to did not report the money on taxes; was not sure how reporting the taxes worked. understanding was that EPSTEIN would have had to pay the taxes on the money he gave her. In April 2018, was aware of a reporter looking into EPSTEIN. The day the article in the Miami Herald came out she had been aware that someone was looking into EPSTEIN. The article came out before met with EPSTEIN in November. thought that she and EPSTEIN may have acknowledged it but did not talk about it in depth. remembered "skimming" through the article. did not remember what she and EPSTEIN said about the article; it was not a topic of conversation. did not think they talked about it afterwards either. and talked about it, but did not talk specifically about the article. and wanted to figure out the best way to tell their own stories. had thought about writing a book and told EPSTEIN in which he told her it was a good idea. did not associate the $250,000 she received from EPSTEIN to the article from the Miami Herald because EPSTEIN was always so generous to people. was stressed about her finances and felt that EPSTEIN was trying to be helpful. did not know that she viewed it any different currently. had told EPSTEIN that a journalist reached out. did not recall EPSTEIN saying anything about it. EPSTEIN did not tell not to talk to anyone. The first time remembered being on the island after her trial period, EPSTEIN asked her to make him a bath and told her to get in with him. was sitting across from EPSTEIN when he told her that she had the job but she just had to keep it. EPSTEIN took to the bed and she sat facing him. EPSTEIN directed on what to do and how to touch him. EPSTEIN masturbated. took this to mean that she had to perform sexual favors to keep her job. After this incident, had a lot of sexual contact with EPSTEIN; it was pretty often, it varied, and happened in all locations. EPSTEIN would wake up by beginning to fondle her. There were some situations that involved other people. The first time another person was present it was GHISLAINE MAXWELL. EPSTEIN was laying down. MAXWELL was touching and instructing her on what to do. MAXWELL told where to touch EPSTEIN and how to touch him. Before EPSTEIN went to jail the first time was the last time had any type of sexual contact with him. EPSTEIN would ask to come over and sleep in his bed. EPSTEIN called his human water bottle. The sexual contact with EPSTEIN phased out. After EPSTEIN went to jail, did not sleep in his bed anymore. The majority of the time, the sexual contact would begin with EPSTEIN waking up by fondling her. EPSTEIN would direct by grabbing her hand to follow him to his room. EPSTEIN would lay down and masturbate. Sometimes, EPSTEIN would touch tell her how to sit, and how to move EFTA00173821 her head. EPSTEIN would ask to give him blow jobs. In Palm Beach, EPSTEIN and were working out in the cabana. EPSTEIN was on the bike while was doing sit-ups. EPSTEIN turned the music up loud and put the hurricane shutters up. EPSTEIN "basically" aggressively raped EPSTEIN pulled pants down and had intercourse with her. This was the only time remembered him having intercourse with her. There were two other times, besides the time with MAXWELL, where other people were present during the sexual contact. There was a time on the island where was present. remembered being on the bed with her while EPSTEIN directed them. There was a time in New York where was present. EPSTEIN asked both of them to come over and it led to a similar situation as had happened on the island with In Palm Beach, the sexual contact with EPSTEIN happened in room waking her a lot, the gym and though she could not picture it was sure that it also happened in his room. In New York, EPSTEIN would call over to sleep with him, usually at night. EPSTEIN's "code word" was "cold sheets". In the beginning, EPSTEIN would have sleep over and it turned sexual. When EPSTEIN was with MAXWELL, recalled being afraid that MAXWELL would find out because worked in her building. thought that when EPSTEIN started dating he just had sleep with him with no sexual contact. On the island, the sexual contact occurred in MAXWELL's bedroom. There were also times would draw EPSTEIN baths and she would be in the bath and he would lead her to the bedroom. MAXWELL had a approximately four girls, including on the island for EPSTEIN's birthday. MAXWELL asked them to get naked and wrap themselves in saran wrap. MAXWELL took photos. MAXWELL had a massage table brought down to the beach. MAXWELL had EPSTEIN get on the table with the women surrounding him while she took a photo. All the women were topless. MAXWELL also had them put paint on their breasts to put on a canvas to give to EPSTEIN. thought this happened around January 2002. In Paris, EPSTEIN would have sleep in his bed. EPSTEIN would direct on what to do, how to sit, where to put her shoulders, and how to put her head so that he could not see her face. EPSTEIN told her that he did not want to see her face. EPSTEIN wanted his nipples rubbed. remembered being in his bed after he woke her up in her bed in Paris. stayed with him in Paris. recalled EPSTEIN leading her to his bed in New Mexico. Most encounters in EPSTEIN's bed were with EPSTEIN masturbating. did not recall sexual contact revolving around a massage room or during a massage. EPSTEIN asked to give him two "full proper body" massages, once on the island with a masseuse and once on the ranch when no masseuse was available. massaged EPSTEIN's feel all of the time, along with rubbing his shoulders and cracking his back. described EPSTEIN "directing" her was him telling her how to touch him, where to touch him, and how to sit. Sometimes, EPSTEIN would touch EFTA00173822  recalled being around during approximately 2002/2003. was present for a sexual encounter on the island. viewed as EPSTEIN's girlfriend. thought was a former Miss thought to be in her twenties during this time. recalled being around during approximately 2002/2003. did not know how and EPSTEIN met. traveled a lot when had started. thought was in college. viewed as EPSTEIN's girlfriend. The sexual encounter involving MAXWELL happened very early on, but was not the first time met them. This happened when came back. did not remember how it started, but recalled being on the bed. MAXWELL was naked and told that EPSTEIN liked his nipples rubbed. MAXWELL told what EPSTEIN liked and how to touch him. MAXWELL was rubbing his nipples. MAXWELL touched MAXWELL and did not talk about it afterwards. MAXWELL always made comments and jokes about sex; she was outwardly very open about it. MAXWELL said she had gone to a blowjob class. MAXWELL offered to demonstrate what she learned. MAXWELL discussed this very generally out at the common table. did not remember who was all present for this conversation. did not know if MAXWELL engaged in other sexual contact with other women. When first started, MAXWELL made a comment to her saying, "Listen to what Jeffrey says; he knows what he's doing. He's very successful. You'd do well to listen to what he has to say.". During the sexual encounters with EPSTEIN, felt ashamed. was nervous and scared, not sure what was going to happen. did not feel that she had a choice. did not want to lose her job because she felt like she finally had a job where she felt secure. did not know where else to go. MAXWELL made a comment about other girlfriends being trash. did not want MAXWELL to put her in that category because she did not want to lose her job. MAXWELL was EPSTEIN's girlfriend. MAXWELL approved the bills, ran all of EPSTEIN's houses, and in control of everything. never told anyone what happened. felt ashamed and buried it deep down. • did not know who to tell; all of friends were through EPSTEIN. could not tell her boyfriends because they would get rid of her. One of previous boyfriends was EPSTEIN's paralegal who she met through EPSTEIN. thought that maybe there were times where there was not sexual contact when she traveled with EPSTEIN between 2002 to 2005, but that it happened more than not. described the time where she and EPSTEIN were in the gym was the first time she saw him being aggressive. EPSTEIN seemed to have a rage about him. It was unexpected and out of the blue to had no conversations about sexual boundaries with EPSTEIN. did not want to have sexual contact with him. felt horrible because she was cheating on her boyfriends when with EPSTEIN. EFTA00173823  stayed with EPSTEIN because she did not know where else to go. had no friends outside of EPSTEIN's world and no education. hoped to eventually start her own business with his help and his contacts. felt that she would lose her job if she did not continue to have sexual encounters with EPSTEIN. did not think that EPSTEIN would give her a reference anywhere. described EPSTEIN as an overpowering, ominous figure. could feel EPSTEIN's wrath if she did not do what he wanted. EPSTEIN was mad at when she booked a car rental and he did not do exactly as he said. saw him yell at MAXWELL and EPSTEIN dictated hair style, color, and the style of clothes she wore. EPSTEIN had dye her hair blonde, cut it to a "boy cut", and have bangs. Sometimes, EPSTEIN would go to the salon to tell them what to do to hair. EPSTEIN would buy clothes. If wore clothes that EPSTEIN did not like he would ask her where she got them. When bought clothes, she would show EPSTEIN to get his approval. EPSTEIN also dictated to EPSTEIN commented on weight. EPSTEIN would tell to "lay off' the brownies and tell her she should go to the gym. EPSTEIN generally made comments to others as well, including would go to EPSTEIN to get approval for every decision she made. renovated the guest apartments and went to him to get approval for colors and materials. EPSTEIN knew that had boyfriends because she talked about them. EPSTEIN gave his opinion to her about them. EPSTEIN told her that one of them was a loser and she needed to break up with him. EPSTEIN mostly put her boyfriends down. EPSTEIN still had sexual contact with while she had boyfriends. time with EPSTEIN was a "whirlwind" as they were constantly traveling. EPSTEIN controlled where lived and where she went. They traveled every three days. To it was not just her job, it was her life. If was not with EPSTEIN, she still had to deal with calls from him. felt she was "on call" 24/7 for 365 days a year. In 2010, EPSTEIN was released from jail and responsibilities increased. EPSTEIN did not have a chef at this time so was responsible for food when they traveled. was renovating and decorating the rooms on the island and all the apartments at 301 East 66th Street in New York. After EPSTEIN was released, did not recall setting up or scheduling massages for EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN was still getting massages. EPSTEIN traveled with a masseuse, who was did not recall if there was any other masseuse. In 2012, met ; EPSTEIN was not involved in their meeting each other. When met , she began traveling with him. During this time, was trying to restructure the way she worked for EPSTEIN. gave EPSTEIN a proposal of how she wanted to work, including less travel so she could spend more time with EPSTEIN told that she needed to be present because nothing would get done correctly if she was not. EPSTEIN asked when she was going to switch to IMEIr health insurance so they could pick a date for to stop getting paid. set up a design business. EPSTEIN told she could still help with the renovations. EPSTEIN asked when she was moving out of the apartment because he needed it for someone else. EFTA00173824 moved out of the apartment a few months before she got married. In September 2013, married and was no longer EPSTEIN's employee. then started managing as he was participating in thirty-six races a year. was in charge of the travel arrangements. encouraged to keep in contact with EPSTEIN because he did not know what had happened. viewed EPSTEIN as father figure. The first people told about her sexual encounters with EPSTEIN were her lawyers and then her therapist. had two conversations with EPSTEIN about writing a book. There was no conversation about putting the sexual experiences in the book. From 2013 to 2018, received two large payments, $100,000 and $250,000, from EPSTEIN. had to sign a health care proxy so that if anything happened to her, MAXWELL and EPSTEIN would be responsible for her well-being. They did not want her family to be responsible. thought that this was MAXWELL's idea, but she was not sure. also had to sign a confidentiality agreement. visited EPSTEIN when he was under house arrest in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN would get massages from or whoever was traveling. salary was $25,000 the first year she worked for EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN paid for phone bill, housing and traveling expenses, including food while they traveled, and her clothes. EPSTEIN told her where to live. While was in New York, she paid for her own food. salary would go up in increments, from $35,000 to $45,000. thought $100,000 was the highest she received. This was before EPSTEIN went to jail. When EPSTEIN went to jail, all of his employees took a pay cut. salary was cut to $75,000. EPSTEIN paid for lawyers for . One of the lawyers was BRUCE REINHART. This was after EPSTEIN went to jail and there were civil suits. thought she may have been deposed while he was in jail. When had a lawsuit against MAXWELL, was told by EPSTEIN's in house counsel, DARREN INDYKE to find a lawyer and EPSTEIN would pay for it. paid for some of the expenses of the lawyer. The lawyer was JOHNNY STEVENSON but he eventually stopped representing because he was not getting paid. At the end of the interview, expressed that she wished someone would express to the other victims that she would not knowingly facilitate their abuse. EFTA00173825