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From: roger schank
To: Jeffrey Epstein <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: you wanted positive?
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:57:27 +0000
Yes, i think that is right; I will be clearer; I think judges teaching in school should be forced to consider
consequnces as part of teh teaching process; same for doctors
roger schank
On Nov I, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Jeffrey Epstein wrote:
how do judges make judgements? ??? are you kidding they almost never get to see the result of their
decision.. I think this is totally wrong.. they make decisions based on the past behavior of others without
concern for the fruitfulness or of the other roads less traveled and where they led
On Sun, Nov I, 2009 at 7:10 AM, roger schank < wrote:
An Imagined First Year in College
I want to make a suggestion that university faculty could adopt.
Simply divide the four years that comprise college into two and two. Make the first two the
teaching of the 16 processes and the last two the study of the subjects that the faculty so
dearly love. Introduction to X, which no dominates the first two years of college for most
students, would be abandoned. The faculty hate teaching it anyway and the students hate
taking it. (The administration loves those courses though, as I will explain later on.)
How would this work? Let's first consider the set of processes grouped under conscious
processes:
Conscious Processes
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Prediction is an area of life that is worth getting good at doing. Who, in the various faculties,
organize their daily lives around predictions? Economists make predictions. It is what they do
all the time. Medical doctors make predictions. Physicists make predictions. Political
scientists make predictions. Let's imagine that students were taught by a team of people from
these four areas who were the exactly those people who specialized in making predictions all
the time in their careers. And, let's suppose that they created a year long course in how to
make predictions based on known evidence, past cases, and pushing the boundaries of what is
known. Wouldn't this be a better course than Introduction to Physics? The teachers could
introduce whatever aspects of physics they wanted to help students understand the predictive
process in that area, but other faculty who did prediction in other areas would be part of the
discussion. There would be a set of interesting issues ranging from predictions that were
thought to be right but weren't to predicting one's that are being made today in each area. The
idea would be that the content is the predictive process itself not the traditional subject matter.
Statistics (and other useful tools) would be taught in this context while the predictive process
was being studied.
Judgment
Law is not typically part of any college curriculum because law schools are recent inventions
on college campuses (that is they are from the last century and not the century before) so they
never got to be part of the college set of courses despite the fact that so many students want to
be lawyers. Judges make judgments all the time and those lawyers who teach judges to make
judgment should be teaching freshman to make judgments as well. Of course, artists and
musicians and literary critics make judgments of a different sort, as do philosophers and
business people. All of the people could be teaching a course together on how to make
judgments fairly and how to determine what is fair. This is where ethics and morality come
into play as well.
Modeling
Who build models? Psychologists think about models of the mind, as do Computer
Scientists and Philosophers who specialize in thinking about thinking. Architects and
Economists build models of a different sort. Engineers work with models regularly. All of
these people use different modeling tools but they work on the same thing: trying to figure
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out how something works by building it and seeing if they can replicate it. They may be
using a computer or building blocks or electricity or art. It makes no difference. It is all an
attempt to see how things work by building some facsimile. This is an important idea in
human thinking and a course should be taught to undergraduates on how to do it by the
people who actually do it, teaching different techniques as they go. They are many ways to
build a model and students in college should know the possibilities before they take on
further study.
Experimentation
Psychologists do experiments. Chemists do experiments. Physicists do experiments.
Medical researchers do experiments. (The drug companies are constantly doing
experiments that affect us all.) Why is there no course in learning how to do an
experiment? Shouldn't students be learning how to come up with a hypothesis and how to
test that hypothesis? Isn't that more important as a fundamental building block of the mind
than any course offered to freshman in college today?
5. Describing
Literature departments are all about describing. So are drama departments, communication
departments, philosophy departments, and art departments. And, to be clear, so are all science
departments. All of these departments have people within them who are worried about how to
say what you want to say and how to effectively communicate to others. They criticize people
who are bad at description on a regular basis. Students need to need to learn to write but they
also need to learn to talk and to use alternative media to make their points and to explain what
they have done. A coherent course of study in how to describe properly is easily within the
ability of any college faculty and ought to be is highest priority, taught from any different
points of view, teaching what description is about not how to work PowerPoint.
Managing
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Business people study management. Business courses have made their way into many college
campuses but the Ivy League colleges are still hold-outs. Business is looked down upon as a
non-academic subject. Political scientists study how governments are managed. Historians
study how governments, battles, cities, and a range of other things have been managed.
Architects and Urban Planners and Engineers worry about management. All of these people
could combine to teach students how to manage others (as well as themselves.) This is very
important part of functioning in any society.
First College Year Summary
It would be my contention that a freshman year made up of these six processes, taught in six
simultaneous courses that were designed to relate to each other in various ways and at
specific times, would be a wonderful thing for teaching people how to think. The best of our
faculty can teach what they think about to students who are now ready to start to thinking
rigorously. By the end of this first year, students could begin to specialize, not in academic
subjects just yet, but in other processes that build on the conscious processes.
roger schank
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