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From: Joscha Bach Sent: Friday, August IIJIIIIIIIIM To: Jeffrey Epstein Subject: Re: I can see that C&W were having fun with each other... what =appened? Did they get along? By the way, since [I think) we are computers, implemented in the =anguage of of neurons, neurotransmitters etc., it is obvious that =anguage in a computer already understands concepts. Nature is not =agical, and I see no reason why we cannot pull off the feat again, i.e. =uild our own computers with languages that understand concepts. That =akes me a DUBE, too, I guess. I wonder what alternative Noam and you =ee to DUBEdom? How else do humans understand concepts, if not via a =omputational process (i.e. by manipulating information in regular =ays)? Btw, Steven Wolfram just wrote a newsletter to announce the latest =ersion of Mathematica; he has a certain distinctive style that rubs =any people the wrong way, by laying on pretty thick how much work he =ersonally did on it, how grandiose and unique the fruits of his =ntellect are, etc. http://blog.wolfram.com/2016/08/08/today-we-launch-version-11/ I think that in pointing out his achievements, he is factually mostly =orrect, but fascinatingly un-selfaware. He may not be as good as he =hinks, but he is far better than most. His mixture of a generous, =enius intellect, his big ego and his unwillingness/inability to submit =o standards of social interaction seems to have turned Wolfram =ndustries into a kind of cult. People seem to either follow him like =isciples follow their guru, or they dismiss him as a crank. http://shell.cas.usf.eduhwclark/ANKOS_humor.html It limits his effectiveness as a thinker or scientist, but of course, it =oes not matter much in the face of the meaninglessness of the universe. =e is having fun, and comes up with good stuff. Also, he seems to be =uite a bit jealous of Zuse, because Zuse gets all the credit for =ellular automata that he would like to be credited for. Did he tell you =bout his quest to dismantle the myth that Zuse invented the computer? =e thinks that Zuse's computer was not really destroyed in the bombing =r Berlin, but has been hidden by Zuse's heirs in an unexcavated =asement, to hide how limited it really was. Who knows, might be =ctually true. > On Aug 12, 2016, at 17:56, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote: > Wolfram types that think language in a computer will eventually be > =ble to understand concepts > On Friday, August 12, 2016, Joscha Bach > wrote: > Who are the DUBES? > On Aug 12, 2016, at 16:23, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote: >> » i have been having fun with noam, we have coined the term DUBES = data -usage- based -enthusiasts. . natural language vs the dubes >> EFTA_R1_01556056 EFTA02454344 > > -- » please note > The information contained in this communication is confidential, may > be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, > and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the > property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this > communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be > unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by return e-mail or by e-mail to > [email protected], and destroy this communication and all copies > thereof, including all attachments. copyright -all rights reserved > -- > please note > The information contained in this communication is confidential, may > be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and > is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of > JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or > any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you > have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by return e-mail or by e-mail to [email protected], > and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all > attachments. copyright -all rights reserved <?xml version=.0" encoding=TF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd"> <plist version=.0"> <clict> <key>conversation-idgkey> <integer>72448</integer> <key>date-last-viewed</key> <integer>0</integer> <key>date-received</key> <integer>1471028041</integer> <key>flags</key> <integer>8590195717</integer> <key>gmail-label-ids</key> <array> <integer>6</integer> <integer>2</integer> </array> <key>remote-id</key> <string>635312</string> </dict> </plist> 2 EFTA_R1_01556057 EFTA02454345