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Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1328-25 Filed 01/05/24 Page 1 of 10 COMPOSITE EXHIBIT 1 (Filed Under Seal) Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1328-25 Filed 01/05/24 Page 2 of 10 Page 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK CASE NO. 15-CV-07433-RWS ------------------------------------------x VIRGINIA L. GIUFFRE, Plaintiff, v. GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. -------------------------------------------x May 18, 2016 9:04 a.m. C O N F I D E N T I A L Deposition of JOHANNA SJOBERG, pursuant to notice, taken by Plaintiff, at the offices of Boies Schiller & Flexner, 401 Las Olas Boulevard, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, before Kelli Ann Willis, a Registered Professional Reporter, Certified Realtime Reporter and Notary Public within and for the State of Florida. MAGNA& LEGAL SERVICES Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1328-25 Filed 01/05/24 Page 3 of 10 Page 8 1 Q. Okay. Great. 2 All right. Do you know a female by the 3 name of Ghislaine Maxwell? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. And when did you first meet Ms. Maxwell? 6 A. 2001. March probably. End of 7 February/beginning of March. 8 Q. And how did you meet her? 9 A. She approached me while I was on campus at 10 Palm Beach Atlantic College. 11 Q. And what happened when she approached you? 12 A. She asked me if I could tell her how to 13 find someone that would come and work at her house. 14 She wanted to know if there was, like, a bulletin 15 board or something that she could post, that she was 16 looking for someone to hire. 17 Q. And what did you discuss with her? 18 A. I told her where she could go to -- you 19 know, to put up a listing. And then she asked me if 20 I knew anyone that would be interested in working 21 for her. 22 Q. Did she describe what that work was going 23 to be? 24 A. She explained that she lived in Palm Beach 25 and didn't want butlers because they're too stuffy. MAGNA& LEGAL SERVICES Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1328-25 Filed 01/05/24 Page 4 of 10 Page 9 1 And so she just liked to hire girls to work at the 2 house, answer phones, get drinks, do the job a 3 butler would do. 4 Q. And did she tell you what she would pay 5 for that kind of a job? 6 A. At that moment, no, but later in the day, 7 yes. 8 Q. And what did she say? 9 A. Twenty dollars an hour. 10 Q. Was there anybody else with Ms. Maxwell 11 when you met her? 12 A. There was another woman with her. I don't 13 recall her or what she looks like or how old she 14 was. 15 Q. And what happened next? 16 A. And then she asked me if I would be 17 interested in working for her. And she told me that 18 she was -- I could trust her and that I could jump 19 in her car and go check out the house at that moment 20 if I wanted. 21 And so I said, Sure, let's do it, and went 22 to her home with her. 23 Q. And where was that home? 24 A. In Palm Beach. 25 Q. And did she describe that home as being MAGNA& LEGAL SERVICES Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1328-25 Filed 01/05/24 Page 5 of 10 Page 13 1 Q. And how long did you work in that position 2 answering phones and doing -- 3 A. Just that one day. 4 Q. Just that one day. 5 And did your duties change? 6 A. Well, the next time she called me, she 7 asked me if I wanted to come over and make $100 an 8 hour rubbing feet. 9 Q. And what did you think of that offer? 10 A. I thought it was fantastic. 11 Q. And did you come over to the house for 12 that purpose? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. And when you came over to the house, was 15 Maxwell present? 16 A. I don't recall. 17 Q. And what happened that second time you 18 came to the house? 19 A. At that point, I met Emmy Taylor, and she 20 took me up to Jeffrey's bathroom and he was present. 21 And her and I both massaged Jeffrey. She was 22 showing me how to massage. 23 And then she -- he took -- he got off the 24 table, she got on the table. She took off her 25 clothes, got on the table, and then he was showing MAGNA& LEGAL SERVICES Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1328-25 Filed 01/05/24 Page 6 of 10 Page 33 1 MS. MENNINGER: Objection, leading. 2 BY MS. McCAWLEY: 3 Q. Do you believe that from your 4 observations, Maxwell and Epstein were boyfriend and 5 girlfriend? 6 A. Initially, yes. 7 Q. Did Maxwell ever share with you whether it 8 bothered her that Jeffrey had so many girls around? 9 MS. MENNINGER: Objection, leading, 10 hearsay. 11 THE WITNESS: No. Actually, the opposite. 12 BY MS. McCAWLEY: 13 Q. What did she say? 14 A. She let me know that she was -- she would 15 not be able to please him as much as he needed and 16 that is why there were other girls around. 17 Q. Did there ever come a time -- did you ever 18 take a photography class in school? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. And did there ever come a time when 21 Maxwell offered to buy you a camera? 22 A. Yes. 23 MS. MENNINGER: Objection, leading. 24 BY MS. McCAWLEY: 25 Q. Did Maxwell ever offer to buy you a MAGNA& LEGAL SERVICES Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1328-25 Filed 01/05/24 Page 7 of 10 Page 34 1 camera? 2 MS. MENNINGER: Objection, leading. 3 THE WITNESS: Yes. 4 BY MS. McCAWLEY: 5 Q. Was there anything you were supposed to do 6 in order to get the camera? 7 MS. MENNINGER: Objection, leading. 8 THE WITNESS: I did not know that there 9 were expectations of me to get the camera until 10 after. She had purchased the camera for me, 11 and I was over there giving Jeffrey a massage. 12 I did not know that she was in possession of 13 the camera until later. 14 She told me -- called me after I had left 15 and said, I have the camera for you, but you 16 cannot receive it yet because you came here and 17 didn't finish your job and I had to finish it 18 for you. 19 BY MS. McCAWLEY: 20 Q. And did you -- what did you understand her 21 to mean? 22 A. She was implying that I did not get 23 Jeffrey off, and so she had to do it. 24 Q. And when you say "get Jeffrey off," do you 25 mean bring him to orgasm? MAGNA& LEGAL SERVICES Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1328-25 Filed 01/05/24 Page 8 of 10 Page 35 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Did Ghislaine ever describe to you what 3 types of girls Jeffrey liked? 4 A. Model types. 5 Q. Did Ghislaine ever talk to you about how 6 you should act around Jeffrey? 7 A. She just had a conversation with me that I 8 should always act grateful. 9 Q. Did Jeffrey ever tell you that he took a 10 girl's virginity? 11 A. He did not tell me. He told a friend of 12 mine. 13 Q. And what do you recall about that? 14 MS. MENNINGER: Objection, hearsay, 15 foundation. 16 THE WITNESS: He wanted to have a friend 17 of mine come out who was cardio-kickboxer 18 instructor. She was a physical trainer. 19 And so I brought her over to the house, 20 and he told my friend Rachel that -- he said, 21 You see that girl over there laying by the 22 pool? She was 19. And he said, I just took 23 her virginity. And my friend Rachel was 24 mortified. 25 MAGNA& LEGAL SERVICES Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1328-25 Filed 01/05/24 Page 9 of 10 Page 142 1 exposed her bra, and she grabbed it and pulled it 2 down. 3 Q. Anything else? 4 A. That was the conversation that he had told 5 her that he had taken this girl's virginity, the 6 girl by the pool. 7 Q. Okay. Did Maxwell ever say to you that it 8 takes the pressure off of her to have other girls 9 around? 10 A. She implied that, yes. 11 Q. In what way? 12 A. Sexually. 13 Q. And earlier Laura asked you, I believe, if 14 Maxwell ever asked you to perform any sexual acts, 15 and I believe your testimony was no, but then you 16 also previously stated that during the camera 17 incident that Maxwell had talked to you about not 18 finishing the job. 19 Did you understand "not finishing the job" 20 meaning bringing Jeffrey to orgasm? 21 MS. MENNINGER: Objection, leading, form. 22 BY MS. McCAWLEY: 23 Q. I'm sorry, Johanna, let me correct that 24 question. 25 What did you understand Maxwell to mean MAGNA& LEGAL SERVICES Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1328-25 Filed 01/05/24 Page 10 of 10 Page 143 1 when she said you hadn't finished the job, with 2 respect to the camera? 3 MS. MENNINGER: Objection, leading, form. 4 THE WITNESS: She implied that I had not 5 brought him to orgasm. 6 BY MS. McCAWLEY: 7 Q. So is it fair to say that Maxwell expected 8 you to perform sexual acts when you were massaging 9 Jeffrey? 10 MS. MENNINGER: Objection, leading, form, 11 foundation. 12 THE WITNESS: I can answer? 13 Yes, I took that conversation to mean that 14 is what was expected of me. 15 BY MS. McCAWLEY: 16 Q. And then you mentioned, I believe, when 17 you were testifying earlier that Jeffrey told you a 18 story about sex on the plane. What was that about? 19 MS. MENNINGER: Objection, hearsay. 20 THE WITNESS: He told me one time Emmy was 21 sleeping on the plane, and they were getting 22 ready to land. And he went and woke her up, 23 and she thought that meant he wanted a blow 24 job, so she started to unzip his pants, and he 25 said, No, no, no, you just have to be awake for MAGNA& LEGAL SERVICES