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________________________________ From: American Bridge Tracking Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 5:19:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) To: TrackerBase Tracking Reports Cc: Jackson Voss Subject: TrackerBASE Report: Donald Trump - Howard Stern Show - 05-08-1993 5/8/1993 Tracker Event Debrief Form TO: PRES-Tracking FROM: Jackson Voss Location: New York, NY Date: 05/08/1993 RE: Donald Trump - Howard Stern Show - 05-08-1993 _________________________________________________________ Event Details: Trump did a half-hour interview with Howard Stern on E! Attendees/Audience: Entertainment news viewers Press: N/A Summary of Event: FLAGS – A lot of really disgusting stuff said about women between Stern and Trump. Some highlights include: ~4:46 where Stern asks Trump if he has women he sleeps with get tested for AIDS and Trump says “not really,” and that he doesn’t only date models but prefers “beautiful women to unattractive women.” Then from about 7:40 to 15:00. During that part of the interview, Trump denies saying that men should treat women like “doo-doo,” but then later says there’s some truth to that making you more desirable; also rates all the women that he is rumored to have slept with. Other flags - ~19:20, Trump talks about watching guys use the toilet and then try to shake his hand. Key Points: 00:00:01:24 Trump: I like Howard, but I have to be crazy to be here 00:00:26:29 Stern: Look at this, look who I'm here with. Look at that - look at that, long time billionaire Donald Trump... You thought I was riffraff here on E! Channel. You ever watch this show? 00:00:39:15 Trump: I watch it, it's a little tough to get it in NY, but we're going to change that 00:00:41:16 Stern: We're going to change that - Donald's going to change that. A lot of people will ask, hey Howard - how did you get Donald Trump on the show? Because Donald is a man of fierce loyalty, but is also fierce with his enemies. You don't associate with them 00:00:56:11 Trump: I don't really like people who are enemies, and I like to destroy enemies, as you do 00:01:00:11 Stern: Yes - we have that same voodoo killer whamma-jamma that everybody loves. We have that same killer instinct. Of course, I'm not a billionaire, that's the problem. I have the killer instinct but I'm not a billionaire... I'll tell you how I became your friend. I saw Donald Trump as a victim, during the Ivana divorce case... People say wait a minute - Donald Trump isn't good to women, Donald dates a lot of different women, Donald Trump was cheating on his wife... I saw you as the victim in this case. 00:01:33:24 Trump: I like it... why should I saw anything, this is beautiful? 00:01:36:23 Stern: Should I tell you why?... There are some people who hate you, right? 00:01:41:06 Trump: There are some people who dislike me intensely 00:01:43:13 Stern: Are they jealous? 00:01:44:20 Trump: I hate to say jealous, but perhaps they are 00:01:47:12 Stern: Jealous because you're living the life they want to be living? Trump: Could be. 00:01:51:02 Stern: That could be it. Let me tell you something that happened to Donald Trump... So he was married to this Ivana, like a lot of guys, you fell out of love. True? (Trump: True). -asking crowd- True? (Crowd mostly silent - one person says "true") 00:02:04:10 Stern: Is this a court room? (ONE PERSON laughs) 00:02:05:15 Stern: So you fell out of love with Ivana... you do a very honorable thing - you pay her $25 million for a divorce settlement (Trump: that's true). That's a lot of money. (Trump: a lot of money). And at the time, you were in financial trouble? 00:02:19:02 Trump: The deepest trouble of my life, absolutely 00:02:20:29 Stern: Truly in financial trouble? 00:02:22:19 Trump: Deep, deep, deep trouble 00:02:24:09 Stern: They say that you were bankrupt - but wouldn't your corporation have been bankrupt but you personally were not bankrupt? 00:02:27:28 Trump: They thought I might be bankrupt - I didn't know. Nobody really understood, and perhaps even I didn't understand, but I was at a pretty low point in my life. This is about two years ago, and since then, a lot of great things have happened, but that was the lowest financial point in my life. 00:02:41:25 Stern: You had lost all of your personal money? Trump: I could have. Stern: you could have been a working stiff? Do you know how embarrassing it would be to be like Donald Trump and going to work at like a super market? Like he's the VP of the super market? That would have been embarrassing 00:02:54:05 Trump: Could have, could have. Stern: It could have, but you were really nervous. And yet you were able to put together $25 million - I'm sorry, I spit on you (Trump: it's okay, hahahah) - you put together $25 million to pay your wife. And you said to your wife, by the way, you'd gotten her to sign a prenuptial agreement, right? 00:03:08:29 Trump: That is correct. 00:03:09:26 Stern: How in the hell did you get her to sign a prenuptial agreement? A lot of guys out there want to know about this 00:03:14:13 Trump: For $25 million, it's easy. -smirk- 00:03:16:12 Stern: But seriously, she knew that she could not have your empire, what's the move there? How do you say, hey, Ivana, honey - sign this little agreement? 00:03:23:02 Trump: At the time, she was challenging the agreement - she was suing me for $2.5 billion, and when times really hit low, the worst day of my life - NYT and WSJ front page - all of the sudden she called up and said she'd take the $25 million 00:03:34:20 Stern: Yeah, but how did you get her to sign the prenuptial agreement? Was this before you were married (note from Voss: that's what prenuptial means, Howard)? 00:03:37:27 Trump: It really wasn't easy - but it worked out. I mean, it worked out 00:03:40:23 Stern: You got her to sign it while you were married to her? 00:03:43:11 Trump: Before I was married, and then ultimately, I had another one signed while we were married. 00:03:47:20 Stern: That is FANTASTIC. That is unbelievable. If I was Ivana, I never would have signed... But hey, I'm no bim (bimbo?) 00:03:54:17 Trump laughs 00:03:55:16 Stern: Let me tell you something... That is truly the art of the deal, is it not? 00:03:59:14 Trump: I don't know if it was the Art of the Deal, but I will tell you, she did sign it, she should have lived up to it, and then after she got the money - (Stern: EXACTLY) - I think I know what you're about to say 00:04:06:10 Stern: He gives her $25 million, he gives her the money. Now listen to this, he gives her the money. And she goes ahead and she writes a book. Now, part of the deal for the $25 million - I'm spitting all over you (Trump: it's okay, yeah, I don't mind). I shouldn't spit on you because you're a germaphobe. Trump: That's true - I am germaphobic. Stern: You wash your hands how many times a day? Trump: As many times as possible. Stern: But you realize that's a psychological problem? Trump: It could be a psychological problem. Stern: But there's no way for you to get to where you cannot overpower this problem? Trump: You know, so far, I haven't left to wash my hands, so - 00:04:33:16 Stern: Theoretically, you know that - because that's obsessive compulsive, right? (Trump mumbles) Have you ever seen a psychologist to address that problem? Trump: No. Stern continues to argue with Trump about this. Trump says cleanliness is a nice thing - not only hands, but body, etc. 00:04:46:15 Stern: All of your women are AIDS tested? 00:04:47:09 Trump: -laughs- Stern: True? Trump: Well, hopefully they don't have AIDS. Stern: How do you get women to gets the AIDS test, that's the best part of this interview. How do you say to a woman, and you date beautiful women. (Trump agrees) You've got Marla Maples, you've got other various models, all models, true? Trump: Well, not all models, but beautiful women, I tend to like beautiful women more than unattractive women. I don't know, maybe that makes me bad. Stern: Join the club! (Trump laughs) With this face, it's no problem getting beautiful women... so in other words, you say to them, hey - I'll sleep with you, I'm Trump, I'm worth billions, I can change your life. You go take an AIDS test. You have a special doctor that you trust..? 00:05:21:14 Trump: Well, that rumor started getting out there. And somehow that story got out there... Stern: Well, I thought you started that rumor. Trump: No, no - it was in an article. And you know how articles are - they start and they keep going 00:05:31:23 Stern: So the girls don't have to take an AIDS test? Trump: Uhh... Not really. I'm just very careful though. Stern: Really? Trump: I own 25% of Goodyear Tire & Rubber. Stern: You wear a rubber? Now there's nothing interesting. You don't hear that everyday on TV. 00:05:41:28 Stern: So, in other words... Trump: I am very careful with people. But you can't be too careful. I mean, AIDS - AIDS (Stern keeps interrupting) can I tell you why? AIDS is a disaster, it attacks everybody, and who knows? Stern: And let's face it, you have a lot of girlfriends, right? Trump: I like a lot of people. Stern: Hey, who doesn't? 00:05:59:12 Stern: So, anyway, you got Ivana to sign this prenuptial agreement. And what does she do? Donald says to her, I'll give you the $25 million, but don't write about me - don't talk about me. Personally, I'd shut my mouth for $10 million. Trump: The one big condition – Stern: It was the one big condition. So what does she do then? She says (using bad Russian accent) "I vant to vite a book. I vant to write a book. It's fiction. It's not a true story. Vut I will do is I won't call the man in the book The Donald, I will call him The Ronald." -Trump laughs- And the book was clearly about you, was it not? Trump: It was. Stern: And you are entitled to that $25 million back. Trump: If there was a judge with courage, and I heard you saying this once on your morning show, if there were a judge with courage, they would give me that $25 million back, yes. 00:06:39:29 Stern: Now, which is better - the old Ivana or the new Ivana? Isn't it the ultimate trip to have a wife, or a woman, change her whole physical appearance just to keep you, Donald Trump? My wife, if she would even go on an exercise regiment for me, I would be happy. (Trump laughs) She walks around and she doesn't care what she looks like. But really, I feel, Ivana - in order to hold on to you - really did a remarkable makeover, am I correct? 00:07:00:04 Trump: Well, I don't wanna - I don't want to talk about what she did or whatever, but - and she's a good woman, and I'll always love her ... Stern: She's not a good woman, Donald! I'm going to tell you something, any woman you give $25 million - you don't have to say she's a good woman, she's not a good woman. She's the mother of your children, that's true (Trump: true), but that's it. That's as far as it goes. (Trump: Well -) But she's screwing you, she's screwed you on this. I'm saying - you don't have to say it, you sit there quiet (Trump laughs), I'm saying, for $25 million, she should keep her mouth shut. True? 00:07:24:08 Trump: Uh, she should not have said anything (Stern: Of course - a deal is a deal). She should not have done commercials, she should not have done what she did, but she did it, and there's litigation on this at this point. It will be interesting to see what a judge rules. Stern: Well, uh, I certainly would rule on your favor. And it's true. Trump: Why can't you be a judge? Stern: I'm not a judge, although I have the hair of a judge. An English judge. 00:07:41:21 Stern: So... I'm going to take a break, Donald, when we come back, I want to explore the various women you're dating. I have pictures... (Donald: Explore them in what sense?) I want to look at pictures of them, I have exercise videos of Marla Maples... (Trump: The originals?) I have great stuff. I've got all different pictures of the models. Then we'll evaluate the different models... (Trump: And we'll choose the best?) And we will choose the best ones (Trump laughs). Because you are living my fantasy life. You really are... Then we'll talk about your money, then we'll look in your wallet and see how much money you have in your wallet (Trump: Okay) because I'm very curious. Donald Trump, back on E Channel - E! whatever they call it 00:08:42:04 Stern: I'm sitting here with Donald Trump, this is E!... We're talking about my favorite topic. Women. Why does a woman date you, Donald? Why does a woman date you? 00:08:55:07 Trump: I don't know - I know that it's something that I work at. And – Stern: Do you think it's the money only? Trump: I hope not. I will say this - I have a lot of wealthy friends. And they can't get a date, no matter what they do. They can't get a date. Stern: Wealthy guys? (Trump: Wealthy guys.) Stern: And you once said that, uh, the best way to treat a woman is to treat her like, uh, doody (shit). Trump: No - I never said that. But it was attributed to me. Stern: But I'll tell you something, I agree with you on that statement. (Trump laughs) They don't listen otherwise. I tell you, women, you're troublemakers. I couldn't get women (women boo Stern). What? Shut up. Bunch of dummies working here. So you never did say that? Trump: No, I never said that, but it was attributed to me. Stern: I see, so, you treat women with respect? Trump: Uhhh... -laughing- I can't say that either. Stern: Alright, good, alright. Somewhere in between (Trump: I treat women with great respect). Treat women somewhere in between respect and doo-doo. Alright, very good. 00:09:43:03 Stern: Now, let's get to the women, let's get to the pictures, that's what I'm in to. Okay. Number one, let's get to a woman you are associated with, her name is Fredarique - she's a lingerie model. This is a girl who is your girlfriend. Now... Trump: Well, she's a really good friend, and a great woman, and she's going to be very successful as time goes by in terms of other things. But right now she's one of the most successful models - she works for Victoria's Secret. Stern: I would do the hiney dance for her - how did you meet this beautiful woman? Trump: You know, I don't even know... Stern; Did you go through the catalogue and pick? Say got 'em, need 'em, need 'em, got 'em? Trump: No, but when I found out who she was I got the catalogue and checked it out. Stern: You did? Trump: She's really beautiful. Stern: And you called her on the phone and said I would like to meet with you? Trump: It just worked out that I got to meet her and she's a really outstanding woman. Stern: How long between you meeting her and going into the bed? Trump: No, I knew you were going to ask that... Stern: How long does it take Donald Trump to close that deal? Trump: Well, Frederique - I'll tell you this - Frederique is just a friend. Different women, different things. Frederique is just a friend. Stern: You have not scored with her? You don't have history? You have not gotten to 2nd, 3rd, 4th base? Trump: It's such a personal thing, perhaps you wouldn't even want to talk about it. Stern: Will it ruin your chances with her if you do mention something like that? Trump: Uh, probably not. Stern: Is it not true that you picked up Marla Maples from the airport this morning? Trump: Oooooh (Stern: Yes, I read about that), where do you get your information? Stern: So, if she hears about that, will that ruin your scene? Trump: Probably not. Stern: It will not? Trump: No, it won't. Stern: Unbelievable. Trump: You said women like being treated badly. Stern: Yes, so the more they think you're desirable, the more they will go for you? Trump: There's something to that - it's sick, isn't it? 00:11:08:16 Stern: Number two - Stephanie Seymour. Now you said that you have not slept with this one. But that's Stephanie Seymour? Trump: That's Stephanie Seymour... (Stern: She's beautiful) She's Axyl Rose's girlfriend. Stern: Look at that - is there anything wrong with her? Trump: Nothing, whatsoever Stern: That's perfect, right? Trump: It's awfully close? Stern: Awfully close. Alright, I wish I could see her body. I can only imagine what is there. Trump: You can see her body Stern: I can? Where can I see her body? Trump: She works for Victoria's Secret also. Stern: You had her? Trump: No. Stern: She was your girlfriend? Trump: No, I didn't have her either. Stern: Are you being serious? Trump: No, I'm being serious. Stern: What the hell did I have you here for if you didn't have anybody? Trump: They're all friends, everyone's a friend 00:11:47:27 Stern: Alright, next, let's take a look at Kim Alley, we don't have a picture of, but she said she kissed you. Trump: That's right. And then had a news conference the next day and announced that we were great lovers. Stern: So, she took advantage of you? And you didn't like it? Trump: I didn't like it, she was on the front page of every newspaper in the country and I didn't like it. Stern: Why are you rumored to be with Paulina Porizkova? Trump: That I don't know because I don't know her, I've never met her. Stern: You never met her? Trump: No. Stern: But you were rumored to have been with her? Trump: No, but she's gorgeous, put her picture up anyway. Stern: There she is. Trump: But I don't know her, I've never met her. Stern: Very beautiful. Trump: Is that the rumor? Stern: Yes. The rumor is you had her, that you claimed to have had her. Trump: No, I never claimed that, because I don't know her, but she's great looking. 00:12:23:16 Stern: Alright, then you had Former Miss America Caroline Sapp. Now, her you had! True? Trump: Well, there's a big story about that because I was a judge in the Miss America pageant, she happened to win the Miss America Pageant... Stern: And you dated her afterwards? Trump: No, no, people think I dated her before the pageant (Stern: I see), Caroline Sapp is a nice woman who's going to hopefully be a great, great tribute to America -laughs- Stern: Got you. 00:12:45:19 Stern: Now, what about - now here's the best one, I think. Marla Maples... I put together a montage of Marla. Donald's had her... - plays video - Now what is that like when it's in bed with you, Donald? (Trump laughs) Trump: Well, that's her video and hopefully it's going to sell very well. I hear it's doing good. Stern: The first time you were alone together, new – Trump: It is a beautiful structure. There's no question about it. Stern: Absolutely perfect. And she's not wearing any underpants in that video, is that correct? Trump: I suspect not. Stern: Absolutely - some applause-. Isn't that fabulous... and you know, she's doing absolutely nothing with that dumbbell. (Trump laughs). -Stern keeps howling (literally) over Marla) 00:13:34:01 Trump: Tell me, do you believe that if you take the average woman and you give her a dumbbell, and she does that for about three minutes a day -laughs- that she'll end up like that? Stern; You know, these dopey women buy this thinking they're going to end up looking like Marla Maples, they end up looking like my grandmother. 00:13:49:18 Stern: Next on this list... of course there's Ivana. I think Ivana is great. Now that's the old Ivana. I used to say, hey what's Donald doing with the old Ivana, because I mean, she was alright - nothing great. But what is it? The new hairdo, is it a new nose? What is it? Trump: It's a new something. But she really, uh... Stern: Is it a new nose, Donald? Trump: She's doing well though, she has a good life, I think... she's got all the money in the world, but... Stern: She has had it easy. Trump :Well... Stern: You made it easy. Trump: I'll tell you what, she's got $25 million and then she goes out and tells everyone how hard she has to work. Stern: Quickly, give me my chart, I want to know from Donald... Give me my chart. I have a chart here, all the women in a row. Here we go, here, look at this. Trump: We're going to pick a winner? Stern: Now let's see. Who is best? Frederique, Stephanie, Kim, Paulina, Carolyn, Marla, Ivana. Now who is the best? When it comes down to it. Trump: (removes Ivana's name) Let's take this one off, because that's not fair Stern: Why is that not fair? Trump: Because you don't want to compare your wife to anybody. Stern: Alright. Something tells me she's right here -taps last place-. You wouldn't have left her if she wasn't there. Where does Marla go? Trump: I think we have to put Marla right up there (first)... it's hard to compare the ones that, as you say, you didn't "have." Kim Alley, I don't know, Stephanie I know but I've never had. Etc.Etc. Stern: Alright, so, basically, had her (Maples), need her (Stephanie Seymour), don't need her (Kim Alley), need her (Paulina Porizkova), need her (Carolyn Sapp), had her (Frederique), had her (Ivana). Excellent. Well done. There it is. 00:15:46:16 Stern: We're here, with Donald Trump. Let me tell you, it's not easy getting Donald Trump. He did not want to come on until he saw a couple of shows. Trump: You do a good job, Howard. Stern: You're very relaxed today. Trump: I'm low key. Stern: You're a low key guy. Trump: Why wouldn't I be relaxed with you if you're a friend of mine? Stern: Are you at war with - let's talk about some of your enemies. Hey - you know something? Here's big news - Donald tells me during the commercial, you guys are going to love this at home, this is an exclusive as far as I know, Donald (Trump: what did I say?) - this has never been aired before, you saw all of the pictures of his girlfriends in the last segment. Donald's new girlfriend, I have a picture of her, Howlena, is that her name? Trump: Who? (nervously) Stern: Howlena? Trump: Never heard of her. Stern: Supposedly, this is your new girlfriend. Here's her picture. That's her. Is that her? (picture of Howard Stern's head on a woman's body) 00:16:47:09 Stern jokes about how he's a good-looking girl 00:16:50:28 Trump: That's a good body, I'll tell you that 00:17:09:07 Stern: What's in your wallet? Where is your wallet? Trump: Right here Stern: Let me see what you've got on you 00:17:19:05 Stern: Are you now back to being worth a billion dollars? Trump: I don't know, it depends. How do you value things like the Plaza or the Taj Mahal or Trump Plaza in Atlantic City or different things. You know, real estate is down, but it's coming back up strong. Stern: Yeah, but are you worth... Trump: I'm just doing really well. Stern: You're set now, am I correct? Trump: Things are really good. Stern: Let me see your wallet, come on. Trump: I'll tell you what I'll show you - anything you want Howard. 00:17:52:27 Howard shows off an enormous wad of cash. 00:18:52:05 Stern: Here I am with Donald Trump, one of the richest men in the world. -someone, unenthusiastically "yaaaaaaaay"-. We've learned from interesting things. He's wealthy, but he's a prisoner of obsessive compulsive disorder. -Trump laughs-. How many times do you wash your hands a day? Trump: Well, as many as possible 00:19:07:29 Stern asks if Trump thinks he needs to drink from straws, Trump says he prefers straws 00:19:23:22 Stern is afraid of urinals - Trump says some people need to grab them for balance. 00:19:24:27 Trump: You ever watch (guys peeing in urinals)? I watch in amazement. They stand there grabbing the urinal for balance 00:19:32:25 Trump: And then they come up and put out there hand and say, Mr. Trump, I'm a huge fan, I'd like to shake your hand. And then you're a bad guy 00:19:47:15 Trump: And you know what? They're nice people - they have no idea what they just did. Stern: No, you're wrong. Now you're lying - they're not nice people. They're not thoughtful. 00:19:59:06 Trump: I don't think they know the difference - they do it out of niceness, they don't think they were just holding the big wonger... Stern: Look at you using dirty words like "wonger." 00:20:21:23 Stern: There are enemies out there. Trump: Absolutely. Stern: You do not like Ed Koch? Former mayor of NY? Trump: Major -bleep- (asshole?). Stern: Hold on a second- why does everyone come on this show and want to use dirty words? What am I, a shock jock (lol)? Trump: Nah, he is really a guy who didn't do a good job as mayor. The city is paying for - they're paying a price. And, you know, hey- just not a good guy. 00:20:47:10 Stern: Do you ever cry? Are you ever weak? Trump: I haven't recently. Stern: You've never cried? Trump: Yeah, I think we're all weak, I think we all cry at some point, but I haven't for a long time. Stern: Are you at war with your own brother? Trump: No. Stern: You like him? Trump: I like him. Stern: You like his wife? Trump: Uhhh... Stern: Isn't his wife a pain in the ass? Trump: She's fine. Stern: She's a pain in the ass, I see it in your eyes, you want to say she's a pain in the ass and you can't... Trump: She likes the ballroom scene. She likes the social scene. She's into the world of socialites. Stern: And you're not into that. Trump: No, I'm not. Stern: So you don't like her? Trump: I didn't say I don't like her, I say that she's different from me. Stern: Do you see your brother a lot? Trump: Yeah. Stern: Oh, you do? ... And the kids, even though they say you don't have a good relationship? Trump: My kids? We just got back from a week in Aspen, we have a great relationship. 00:21:35:23 Stern: Your casinos are doing better than ever. Trump: They're setting records - we're doing tremendous business. 00:22:28:12 Episode repeats after this point ---- Digitized Video File Label: 930508_WS_277 Clip Labels: 930508_WS_277_B