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z/zWo1 keicc5bir+ -tv EFTA00087617  LAW OFFICES OF GERALD B. LEFCOURT, P.G. A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION NEW YORK, NEW YORE 10OE1 GERALD B. LEFCOURT TELEPHONE FACSIMILE SHERYL E. REICH RENATO C. STABILE A. FRIEDMAN February 23, 2007 VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District $ f Fl. rid West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Re: Jeffrey Epstein Dear Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. As you know, in advance of last Tuesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. EFTA00087618  LAW OFIFICCS Olr GERALD a Lnecontr, P.C. Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 2 The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore so arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevant: Tab I: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his genitals; Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in sexual intercourse with him; Tab 3: Not only did Mr. Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr. Epstein would not allow them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection to what occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do so, or both. 1 Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in • many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., some of which we have already previewed in the February 1, 2007, letter. EFTA00087619 • LAW OFFICES or GERALD B. Lzroourr, P.G. • Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District ofFlorida • February 23, 2007 Page 3 • Finall . ursuant to our r uest we have included copies of the full working transcripts of the and recordings. If you have any questions regarding any of the materials we have provided please feel free to contact us. Very truly yours, • Gerald B. • cc: fl uty Chief, Northern Region Federal Bureau of Investigation Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq • • • • EFTA00087620  "MI 1 EFTA00087621  Page 1 :N RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED :NTERVIEW OF warastrontmal EFTA00087622  DRAFT Page 16 1 and that, r don,t know, we just don't talk anymore. 2 Q Which was? 3 A 4 and -- 5 A And III. I don't know if has ever slept 6 with him. I can't speak for her. But he liked her the 7 most. I don't know why he liked her the most but it was 6 always working for him. And she wouldn't just bring 9 girls. She would work for him. 10 Q Now much money do you think she made? 11 A I don't know. She never really the first time 12 I brought her she made 200. After that I think she started 13 making like 300. It's not accurate. Like I can't -- 14 Q The more you do the move you get paid. 15 A Pretty much. 16 Q I know you said that. Mit -- 17 A Richt. I think she made 300 after that I think 18 she started making like 300 19 Q Does be make the girls touch him down there? 20 A I don't. know. 21 0 to that part of the message? 22 A It wasn't with me. He never asked we to touch him 23 or fondle him. He never asked me I don't know if he's 24 ever asked the other girls. It was never really brought up. 25 It wan always him touching then. Us. EFTA00087623  Page 1 • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTBIN . DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVTFX OF • • . I I EFTA00087624  C 1 Q Ttroe hundred. And tnat wes the last tine you 2 went? A (Uodm heed yes ) ;.2 When he you didn't have 5 a bra on? 6 A I didn't have a bra oi. You didn't have a bra on. And your. b.ctooks? 8 A Ct-huh Was that over your panties or under your panties? 1C A Like : have a thong on to. 11 Q You had thongs. Okay All right Old he pull 12 you close to him? 13 A Yeah. 14 0 And all this while he was 15 A (Nods head yes.) 16 Q Did he have you touch hits.? 17 A NO. 18 Q Aside from the massage, 19 area? 20 A Huh-huh. No. 21 Q Did you bring anyone else other _hen -- 22 A 23 0 24 A 2.; . Do you kno... Last name? EFTA00087625  Page 1 1 IN RE: JEFFREY E?STEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW 0? EFTA00087626  DRAFT Page • 1 Q Right 2 A They cover enough They don't show too much 3 Q Okay. You messaged him? • 1 4 A Uh-huh. 5 Q Did he try to touch you in any way? 6 A No 7 Q Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 6 vibrators? 9 A No, Huh-huh r 10 Q Did he ask you to touch him? 11 A Just to give him a massage. 12 Q I mean -- • 13 A Oh, no. Huh-huh. 14 Q NO? 15 A t would have said no anyways That's gross. 16 Q Okay Did he touch himself? 17 A Yeah 18 0 Okay• And I mean, t mean by Colleting himself, did • 18 he 20 A Yeah. 1 21 Q Okay. Co you know if he 0 23 A He did. 24 0 He did. Nes that the only time you ever went? 25 A one time. EFTA00087627 I Page 1 TN rot:: JI.,FiE1 EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OP EFTA00087628 • DRAFT Page 12 A Okay. Ky bad. 2 Q I was writing that quickly, and I was 3 thinking 4 A Okay. That's fine. 5 Q All right. Was there anybody ever at the house 6 that you provided a massage to aside from Jeffrey? 7 A No. No. 8 Q Curing tke lenhaegit47, 440:hlatOneAink -Inn to 'touch". . . 9 him? • A No • to 11 Q Did he touch himself? 12 A Yea. • 13 Q Would he be just touching aimaelf or would he be I 14 15 A He woul~, l6 Q Okay. How would you kr.ow that the massage was ,7 over? 18 A • 19 Q 20 A Yeah. 2]. Q Again. I've talked to a lot of girls and so far 22 everything seems to be in the norm, so that's why I'm saying 23 don't, I know it's a little embarrassing. 24 Did you ever meet any other girls that came to the 25 house? • EFTA00087629 • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN . DRAFT . TAPED INTERVIEF Cr • -•• EFTA00087630  DRAFT Page 12 1 Q •Did' he ever sek.*Oi-tO tonal bin? 2 A No. (Inaudible) I Wee, eurprieed about that 3 because he never asked Out (inaudible). 4 27 pracyrvk DAWOCN: 5 Q Okay Eid you ever see him nude? Naked? 6 A I wasn't paying attention. He got in the shower 7 in front of to but I wasn't paying attention. 8 Q So you can see -- the shower you corld see from 9 the room? 10 A There was the shower and then he has like a bath 11 If you come up into his bedroom, I don't really remember. 12 but if you coma into his room there's a shower. As you come 13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 14 then a massage table right here And then there was a couch 15 going around right here. And Us shower (inaudible) ha took 16 a shower and he's like feel comfortable and I was like okay. 17 I don't remember if he asked me to take off my clothes, my 18 top and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. I 19 have bad memory It was a long time ago. 20 0 Okay So if you wanted to look, he would have 21 been naked in front of you; you just made it a choice not to 22 look? 23 A Right. 24 By DETECTIVE ■ 25 Q Okay •••••4•••••IIIIIMad.ligib•aroll. EFTA00087631  DRAFT 1 Detective 2 3 4 reference case number 05-368. The time now. by my watch. is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3;151O5. (Inaudible) High Ridge Family 7 Cerder, 8 UNK: Just 9 5 Okay, the Present also Is.. could you state your name 10 please? 11 12 C Spell your name please? 13 • 14 And your date of birth? 15 16 S And you are? 17 • Family Therapist. 18 Could you spell your name please? 19 20 • And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 U Yes. 22 S Okay. I'm here today; and I have stated briefly My I'm here is in 23 reference to an incident that happened to a friend of yours. o• a girt you know. Page 1 of 43 EFTA00087632  E: Are you lying about anything? 2 ■ -No swear on the bible. • 3 • Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. 4 M. I swear to God. 5 Okay. is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 6 M: No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 7 M: So that's it. You did not have any kind of sex with him. 8 Heck no!! I will swear on my mother's grave... 9 S You know what having sex with somebody means? • 10 •. Yes, I know what having sex with somebody means. 11 .; Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 12 M: At no time did i touch hit penis. 13 5 At any time, did he touch you.... . 14 At no time... 15 5 Besides pulling his hands... • 16 Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 And just so I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 18 Yes, I saw him. 19 5 Okay. And as far as you think..... 20 I think, I know, web, I couldn't say I know, but its the same noises were being 21 made when he was (inaudible). 22 5 And that's it. I thank you very much This will conclude the interv;ew. The time 23 now by my watch Is approximately 3:05. Page 43 of 43 EFTA00087633  Page 1 • :N RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN • DRAFT • TAPED INTERV:ZW OF • EFTA00087634  A Yeah. Ckay. DI1AFT Page 6 3 A Well, no. :t was the second time that' I gave him 4 a massage The first time i went up with 5 Q Okay. You want upstairs with IIIIII? 6 A No, T was 11 the kitchen. 7 Q You were in the kitchen That was -- you only had 8 two times that you went tnere? 9 A Yeah. 1p Q the time you didn't do anything but just sit 11 in the kitchen? 12 A Yeah. 13 Q Who did you sit in the kitchen with? 14 A He had a coos that was there and he had -- there 15 was _i:ce two other girls there that :Ave with him. 16 Q Okay, Did yo:z massage his back? Was he naked 17 when you were massaging him? 18 A Well, he had like a towel around his -- his upper 19 was (inaudible) but he had like a towel around him. 20 Q Okay. Did he over remove that towol? 21 A No. 22 Q When you were massaging him he never removed the 23 lowe? 24 A Nu. 25 Q Okay.. ertd-yo eti! dfi -4,- --al EFTA00087635 2 1 Private area? A No. Ho. D 1AFT I wouldn't do that. Page ? 3 Q You wouldn't do that.? 4 Okay. Did he touch you in your private area? A No. No. 6 0 No. 7 A He kept like staring at Ire and like, I don't kdcw, 3 1 just felt uncomfortable and I _eft. But I heard other stories that like -- 10 0 Righl . I'm concerned with you. I know abort. 11 other stories and I've interviewed other people halm told me 12 different things. ?hat's why I'm trying to find oat whet 13 happened to you. Okay? 14 A Oh-huh. 1 15 0 You're the victim in this so that's why I'm trying 16 tc find cut what happens to you 17 A eh-huh. 28 0 nay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 29 • This girl that lives with him. • Clay. So took you 4p? 21 A Yes. 22 0 Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 23 A Huh-huh. There's a manage table and she just 24 laid a tower down and she said that 3e1(rey will be oLt EoL 25 ais massage. EFTA00087636  2 • • • • • EFTA00087637  DRAFT 1 .: Detective 2 3 4 5 • I.D. OM reference case number05-368. The tine now, by my watch, is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15105. (Inaudible) High Ridge Family • 7 Center, 8 UNK: Just 9 Okay, the Present also is.. could you state your name • 10 please? 11 12 • Spell your name please? 13 14 And your date of birth? 15 16 •: And you are? 17 :amity Therapist. 18 M. Could you spell your name please? 19 20 And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 • Yes. 22 • Okay. I'm here today; and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, o• a girl you Know. Page 1 of 43 EFTA00087638  DRAFT Afe you lying about anything? 2 No. I'll swear on the bible. 3 Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. 4 I swear to God. 5 N. Okay. Is them anything else you'd like to talk tome about? 6 No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 7 tqlkiPtS;• YetrOktfli7iii4vaadtittifideiStrx 441 . • .• 8 ■Heck.noff I tivill.sWeekon.nty indiffeesiravin: • •' 9 t41-1 MOW 164fatina9911i4X 491ZiOnei:;0•Cly:iticii0 10 Yes, I know what baiting sex witli somebody rheartiat-. 11 Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 12 At no time did I touch his penis. 13 At any time. did he touch you..... 14 At no time... 15 Besides putting his hands... 16 ■ Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 And just so I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 18 Yes, I saw him. 19 • Okay. And as far as you think... 20 I think, I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises were being 21 made when he was (riaudible). 22 And that's It. I thank you very much. This will conclude the Interview. she time 23 now by my watch is approximately 3:05 Page 43 of 43 EFTA00087639  Page 1 • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT • VTD3OTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087640  DRAFT Page 21 1 A (Shakes head no.) 2 C Okay. 'his case is basic/Illy ao irvestigationt an 3 opal; investigation, An T appreciate it want we discuss stays hero. Ckay? 5 A Jt-hvh. 6 0 Don't tell anybody that we, tnat we talked. Okay? 7 A Okay. 8 Q Did you. ever have.any,intesoourse with hie? 9 A 13 Q Nt oral? 11 A IChakes head no.) 17 Q Nothing? 13 A Xothing else. 14 0 Okay. 7'm going to show you a group of 15 photographs I'm going to soow you a group of six :6 photographs. Okay? I'm trying, trying to see if this 17 is in these six photos Okay? It's important that you look 1 18 at all six of then arc ba sure 'to you pick as the person as 1? . Okay? She may or may not be in these six photos but 20 it's important for you to pick the right nne. 3key? 21 A Jh-huh 22 Q take your time looking et those six photos there. 23 A I don't see her. 4 A 21 Q She not ir those photos there? _ rinrergewronnintnnurrrnragrstimarstwirerssera=" 25 A No EFTA00087641  I 3 • • • • • • • • • EFTA00087642 • 1 Defective DRAFT 2 3 4 • ID. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch, is 6 approximately 8 minutes past 2pm on 3:15/05. (Inaudible) • 7 8 UNK: Just 9 • Okay, the Present also is...could you elate your name • 10 please? 11 U 12 U Spell your name please? 13 ▪ S 14 U And your date of birth? 15 1B U And you are? • 17 • a Family Therapist. 18 Could you spell your name please? 19 • 20 • And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 Yes. 22 U Okay. I'm here today; and I have staled briefly why I'm here is in 23 relevance to an Incident that happened to a mend of yours, rapid you Iciovr. Pap 1 of 43 • EFTA00087643 • DRAFT Okay. After everything was done, okay, did he watch you get dressed? 2 • No. Cause I was getng dressed while he was out there getting the $300. I • 3 guess that's what he was doing. Theis the any thing he came back In with. le 4 wassail in a towel and stuff. 5 In the room, al all, do you think „and i don't know if there is or not, but do you 6 think there is anything in there that may have recorded what you did? 7 Oh my gosh.... B A video camera... B Oh my gosh. I ddn't think about that. There was lots of places there could have IC been one because there's pictures, that could have been, I don't know... t • When he walked out... the reason why I ask is because he walked out once and 12 then came back in, right? 13 Yes. 14 • So K could be Just so he coukl whack off. I was just curious. 1 don't know if lb there is or not 18 If there was. I did not know about It. • 17 • Okay. So you get dressed, you go downstairs. Where is that woman again? 18 • Downstairs talking to and the other girl. 19 Okay. 20 They were having a conversation. 21 • Okay. Al any time. did he speak to you or does he know how old you are. did he 22 know how old you were? 23 Okay. Yes. And, as a matter of fact= Soktmeith sin l walla because , Page 38 of 43 EFTA00087644  DRAFT 1 sae tell hirniydit.kiline)bitise >thins not, ner woriktetisWititliause 2 So I said hews IS. 'Ililtiritti:giOnglkSiva maSsagCha wås t* howöld it 3 you, And then Was saki it really fast becautiei l ofeel want«, • 'make tt sound Nei watlyIng it anything. • So what other things did he ask you? 5 E: Um, hew I know M, what school I went to. 7 ■ Ni you tell him what school you went to? 8 Yeah but t told. hin- iididnItehhltien .* Did he-Si you whatigiSdnyotiirereildnaitryenliBilhIrrrtiehat gait youSre in? it e: Yeah. he was like what gradestelbu In? • Because-I tordihim I warn 12" glade '2 sal is • Okay. '4 • Because I told him I was 18 so I had to... '5 • So you told him you were in 12" grade? • Yea ft Are you sure? 17 18 Yea 19 E. May. What else did you talk about? 20 e: Urn, that's about it. Md he was kind of asking me like how I knew M, is 21 nice to me and then he told me how he knew and he was like, I was 22 kind of like, how do you know Cause I brought up the conversation. tie • 23 said well I know because shies been working for me for a lorg time. And Page 39 of 43 • EFTA00087645 1 EFTA00087646  DRAFT 1 BY DIT8CrIVE 2 Q You said he 4 A rn lever area 5 Q Your lover area? Below your waist? 6 A (Inaudible.) 7 NY DETNOTIVI 8 Q Okay. Eow long did he 9 A A few seconds Not long It wasn't Long. 10 0 Dkay. Did you tell him you didn't like that or -- 11 A No. I told him -- I didn't tell him no and I 12 didn't tell him that I wasn't comfortable I wasn't 13 comfortable but T didn't tell him that And like I said, I • 14 made the stoney that day so. . 15 0 Did yot guys discuss, anything? 16 A Hub-huh, 1/ Q Did he ask you your age? le A Yeah. I told him I was 18 19 Q You told hie you were 18? Okay. DLO he want you 20 to come back? 21 A Na said ha would love if I coma back sometime but 22 I never vent back. 23 Q You never went back. You only went one time 24 What vas and doing when you were 25 upstairs? • EFTA00087647 • • • EFTA00087648 • DRAFT Page 12 or be didn ,t care? 2 A I don't thitiA ha cared. Mc told re the younger 3 the better. 0 The younger th► hatter? All right. A Pretty such that'. bow it worked Oa didn't -- 6 let es just put it this way. be -- I tried to bring hie, I 7 tried to bring him a woman who was 23 and he didn't really $ like it 9 Q Ha didn't go for it? 10 A Et'e not that ha didn't go for it. It's just that II be didn't dare for it And ha lilted the girls that are 22 between the ages of like is and 20 13 Q Okay 14 A But ffielatly the stint I -- I think seed of them lie 15 about their age. I know that when I started off young I 16 think be know better to belieVe e* I think kie knew that I 17 was younger, like 37, but I told him that I was like IS 7.8 Q Okay 19 A Mosciof the girls lied whoa they ge to there, 20 0 Right. Because she was le.. 21 A Yeah. Witte! them./ believe lied. 22 0 Bow do you contact kin? now do you know when he , a 23 in town and stuff like that? 21 A calls us 25 Q Ob. Calla you? EFTA00087649  Page 1 IN RE: JEFFEEY EPSIZIN DRAFT VITIT,0TAIW) INTERVIEZ OF • EFTA00087650  Page 14 1 A Yeah S:00 more just to take my shirt oti. 2 Q Okay. And you said you didn't do it. 3 A No. t 4 Q Okay. rid or the secono 'ant^ 5 A Yeah. 6 Q And d_d he ever 7 A Actually the second tiro 2ikc it waau'l that bed 8 betas,. as was like on the phone all the time and so hs 9 wasn't paying atienziao to what was going on. 10 Q Did he ever at any point the second 11 time'? 12 A No. Mot that I remember 13 Q Cid he over ask yoc any quostiona or speak to you 14 or ass you anything? :5 A well. he tried to talk cc yet just to make you 16 comfortable with the situation like wre-e do you work and 17 like how such do you make at your work and then he start le saying you can mace more wLth ne, tut i didn't tees LIAO it 19 Wild clght. 20 Q Did he eve.: know your real age? 21 A After c while like becatuie somebody told rim. 22 0 Itet you wet: -- 23 A Yeah. 24 0 -- 17? 25 A Like US. we were supporied to nay vs • EFTA00087651  Page 15 1 wort 10 2 C hot who to_d you that to say Oat? 3 5 A was the oau who brought everything to 6 everyone at school That's acw we know smut it Then she 7 took and took me 9 Q Okay. So oath time you did go, did get 9 money tor taking you or -- 10 A Well, went with Re twice 1 glass. And that 11 was it. Then I want w_th 12 Q Okay. And did she make money? Did IIII make 13 money for taking you to him? 1 _4 A No, I ass taking her. tR Q Oh. you ware ta ng bet So you brought -- 16 A She knew about it and ere ask me if I could toll 17 he: because she didn't know waste it was But I didn't get money out- of that. 1 19 0 Okay. bid anybody suer help you do a massage 20 him? 21 A No. Mi asked,* do it with her and T didn't 22 feel com£o:tsbte 23 0 al1 right. All right lalk to me *boar the third 24 tiro you went. 25 A 1 don't remember :t was like kind of always -- Z.•••••••••• EFTA00087652  1 TN RE: JEFIREY EPS= 1 DRAFT TAPED TPTERVIV OP EFTA00087653  DRAFT Page 13 2 1 A 7 Q Okay. 3 A Because he was like, made a big sigh of relief 4 like he had been done and he just got right back up and -- 5 Q Do you kno 7 A I think it was probably. 9 0 Okay. As I told you before and I explained to 10 you woe, what he did was wrong, okay? 11 A Uh.hub. 12 Q I want to reassure you on that. Okay? 13 At any point did he ever ask you to leave your 14 phone number or -- 15 A to Ha didn't aak ne for anything like I think 16 be asked ma my name in the beginning 17 Q Did he know your age? 18 A I don't taint -- he did. I think he did. 19 Downstairs was like oh,. well, if tMy ask you ho0 20 old. are you just way you're 16 but he never asked ne how old 21 1 was. 22 0 Okay, 23 A I thought you had to be a'elitalivage to mi,s4se 24 someone, 2S 0 Do you have any formal massage training, EFTA00087654 i EFTA00087655  DRAFT Page 9 1 Q Okay All right Rhen you would go back and do 2 the massage, would it, would it waintain the same or were 3 more things -- 4 A Well, no I mean I would take my jeans off a lot 5 of times or whatever but that was that. I never slept with 6 him. I never did anything to him. Nothing like that 7 Q Okay Is it safe to *sane, that you provided the 8 manage wearing ocly panties? 9 A Yee. 4 10 Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 11 ha ever touch rata 12 A Like I moan he would like :ouch my hip or whatever 13 but I mean that, that's really it 14 Q Okay. 15 A And if Ismerlikeasked, if I ever said I wasn't 16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't went you to touch 17 me, he'd be like fine. (inaudible.; 1.8 0 Aral this all occurred when you were 18 though, 19 right? 20 A ub-hub. I bad bead 1$ for like eight mouths, nine 21 months already. My birthday's leo I had boon 19 tor 22 a while. 23 Q Okay. You're 19 now though right? 24 A Y04. Y114. 25 0 it was about a year ago when you met him. EFTA00087656 • I I EFTA00087657  DI1AFT Page 1 that's it / lust told bin -- 2 Q Did he come up bare or did you meet with Le in 3 Florida? 4 A He care up have. Q oh, he cane up here? 6 A Yeah. 7 Q He sec you right here? 8 A Not here I didn't went to meet. I met hal at 9 Val-Matt and I just -- he just kept asking as questions that 10 I didn't know the answer to so 11 Q Has he an investigates/ Wes he an attorney? 12 A I don't know. I don't chink he wa■ an attorney 13 because be kept saying the information he's getting from me 14 is going to go to Jef£'s attorney so I don't think he wan an 15 attorney. 16 BY DETECTIVE • 17 Q What kind of questions was he asking? 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Ho had a towel over hie private 19 parts and he wan just laying on the table and I was just 20 massaging from his knees down for about 45 minutes and she 21 said all : had to do was give hie a passage for en hots so 22 that's who: I did. And then like ter antes before we were 23 getting ready to leave he asked her to !eawA because we were 24 in the room together snd ell I has to de was manage Ills 25 chest and that's it. }e had the towel cn him and about five EFTA00087661 ••••••• IMO •••••••••••••.• Page 1 1710 RE. J2PPRIZY EPSTEIN DRAFT 2Alie2.) IN'-'1.1.8 V LEM OF EFTA00087662  Page 1 night want to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then 2 he asked re about what : wanted to do when I grew up and 3 stuff like that and i asked him what he did and he said he 4 was like a scientist basically. 5 illt i AS 7 Q 8 A tib, I don,C.thlekSO.c. • 9 q Weil it wou:d have been 16 if it was a year ago, 10 right? 11 A Well it like was almost a year eco. (Inaudible) 12 D. 13 0 Okay. During the naesage did you -- were yoti 14 naked 15 A No. 1 had my clothes on. 16 0 You had all your clothes on? 17 A Oh-huh. 1 18 G Okay. Did he touch you in any way? 19 A He was like kind of like leaning towards it but I 20 was like you could toll I was shy so I think that's why he 21 didn't try. But I heard about other girls that he -- that 22 he got flirtatious with them and he made them take oft tteir 23 clothes and stuff. 24 0 Okay. What that was the first time you went, 25 right? EFTA00087663 • I 4 • • • • • • • EFTA00087664  Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087665  DRAFT Page 6 1 Q One time. How much did he pay you for that? 2 A $300. 3 Q Okay. All right. He never was there ever a 4 time you felt uncomfortable? A No. Like I'm very comfortable with like he asked I me that too and he's like are you uncomfortable and like as 7 weird as it sounds I'm very comfortable with myself so like 8 it didn't really bother me. And I needed the money so, you 9 know, my boyfriend and I were having a hard time so I did 1c what I had to do, you know? 11 Q I understand. I understand. That was the only 12 time you ever went? 13 A One time. And I think I dropped her off once and 14 got her an hour later when her car was down or something. 15 Q Okay. And -- 16 A He had like a massage room, like a bed and like he 17 has this 18 Q Massage bed or like a bed bed? 19 A No, like a massage bed. Uh-huh. A massage bed. 20 Q Okay. And where was this? What part of the house 21 was this? 22 A His house is massive. We went in through the 23 kitchen, up the stairs around, so it was like I guess 24 towards the front on like the second floor maybe. Maybe 25 over the pool or something like that. EFTA00087666 • Page 1 • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN . DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00087667  Page 9 1 Q Okay. All right. When you would go back and do the massage, would it, would it maintain the same or were more things A Well, no. I mean I would take my jeans off a lot of times or whatever but that was that. never slept with 6 him. I never did anything to him. Nothing like that. Q Okay. Is it safe to assume that you provided the • massage wearing only panties? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 11 he ever touch you? 12 A Like I mean he would like touch my hip cr whatever 13 but I mean that, that's really it. 11 Q Okay. 15 A And if I ever like asked, if