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From: "Jeffrey E." <jeevacation®gmail.com> To: Lawrence Krauss •,: > Subject: Re: Advice re Title IX investigation. Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 02:12:12 +0000 Inline-Images: image001.png Every email is to do with engagement/money etc. in the future please do not disclose our conversations or who I speak withffill On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 9:19 PM Lawrence Krauss <a> wrote: I wrote him to forget calling you. I don't see it as necessary. Thoughts? Lawrence NI. Krauss Director, The Origins Project at ASU Foundation Professor School of Earth & Space Exploration and Physics Department Arizona State Universi P.O. Box 871404 Tem .e AZ 85287-1404 Rrigios.asu.edu I I lanssfasillivausdu Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Justin Dillon • Date: March 22, 2018 at 5:02:58 PM PDT To: Lawrence Krauss < > Subject: Re: Advice re Title IX investigation. Thanks, Lawrence. I appreciate that. And truly, whether you hire or me or someone else, you just have to ignore the advice of people who tell you to "play ball" and not have a lawyer surface. Many things are debatable in the Title IX world; this is not one of them, I promise you—especially given the somewhat complex constitutional issues at play in your case. And I am a man of my word, so I will call Jeffrey as planned at 11 on Saturday unless you insist otherwise. I understand that this is an extremely stressful time, that you're getting a lot of advice from many different quarters, and that having someone you trust talk to the person you're thinking of hiring can be very important. Justin Justin Dillon KaiserDillon PLLC 1401 K Street NW Suite 600 EFTA00851992 From: Lawrence Krauss ..c > Date: Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 5:31 PM To: Justin Dillon Cc: Lawrence Krauss Subject: Re: Advice re Title IX investigation. have thought about this.. I don't want you to have to take more of your time talking to him.. Sony to have asked.. It wasn't really fair. You have spent enough time on this. I am going to assess this all and make a decision in the coming days. I do appreciate all your advice thus far, and I am prepared to move forward at this moment, but want to think about it carefully before committing. LMK Lawrence M. Krauss Director, The Origins Project at ASU Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative Foundation Professor School of Eanh & Space Exploration and Physics Depanment Arizona State University, P.O. Box 871404, Tempe, AZ SS287•l4O4 as" /Ski I I braun faca).n edit Is ., idimage002.png @01D36F37.981DC A90 On Mar 22, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Lawrence Krauss cz ;.• wrote: number to call at II am on sat is Lawrence 51. Krauss Director, The Origins Project at ASU Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative Foundation Professor School of Earth & Space Exploration and Physics Depanment Arizona State University, P.O. Box 871404, Tempe, AZ 852874404 EFTA00851993 algha I kraun.boulIN.3 \UXIIII <imagc002.png> On Mar 22, 2018, at 12:48 PM, Justin Dillon > wrote: You are getting terrible advice from smart people who have never done this work and have no idea what they're talking about. I understand where they're coming from, but it is just bad advice, MI stop. I could give you dozens of examples where the only reason my clients got off-•and we get a lot off—was because we fought hard to make the process fair. Moreover, no one will take seriously the constitutional law arguments of a physicist, no matter how famous he is. You need a lawyer to make those. I don't mean to be rude, but I have to be somewhat jealous with my time so I can focus on the cases in which people have decided to hire me. We spent a lot of time on the phone yesterday, which I was very happy to do, and I am willing to do a short call with Jeffrey, but I can't keep emailing about this. I have a limited amount of time, and I have to make sure that I am spending it as much as possible on my current clients. I assure you that if you hire me and someone else wants to keep talking about their case while they're deciding, I will tell them the same thing—that they have enough information to make a decision and just need to decide. Tell Jeffrey we may have to play phone tag, since my weekend schedule is a little up in the air. So he will need to leave me his number. I think 11 a.m. Eastern should work as a start if it works for him. Justin Dillon KaiserDillon PLLC 1401 K Street NW Suite 600 Wachinoton nr 'nom From: Lawrence Krauss cz > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 3:15:12 PM To: Justin Dillon Cc: Lawrence Krauss Subject: Re: Advice re Title IX investigation. what number should he call you on? And a good time? ENV when he calls, it says no caller ID on the phone.. (or I could give you his office number) I received similar advice this morning from a former trial lawyer who was also on the board at the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists with me.. He was the one who yesterday urged me to seek legal advice. but today he called to say I should get advice and assistance. but from his experience beingi-ig a lawyer to represent me to these offices is a kffier. that indicating that I am not gUlty and am wiling to work with the offices (with advice and assistance from a good lawyer in the background) is better. EFTA00851994 So. I wanted to know your thoughts about this. I assume we could still do a retainer etc and have you assist in every way, including investigation etc.. Thoughts? Sorry to take so much of your time. but this is obviously important to me and I want to handle it very carefully. And once again. lam happy to pay for your time responding to this email if you want. and talking to Jeffrey. if you want. Lawrence Lawrence M. Krauss Director. The Origins Project at ASU Co-Director. Cosmology Initiative Foundation Professor School of Eanh 8 Space Exploration and Physics Depaument Arizona Sate University, P.O. Box 871404, Tempe, AZ 85287-1404 alglos.astLedu krausLfacults.asuedu <imagc002.png> On Mar 22. 2018. at 10:38 AM. Justin Dillon - WS: Hi Lawrence. I know who he is, and I am willing to have a short conversation with him. Please tell him he can give me a call this weekend. That, Justin Justin Dillon KaiserDillon PLLC 1401 K Street NW Suite 600 %shin ts±1 DC 20005 From: Lawrence Krauss ..r > Date: Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 12:55 PM To: Justin Dillon Cc: Lawrence Krauss EFTA00851995 Subject: Re: Advice re Title IX investigation. Hi Justin. I have a slightly unusual request. I have been advised through much of the BuzzFeed experience, both before and after, by a friend, who is also somewhat infamous. His name is Jeffrey Epstein, and you may know who he is already. Bottom line is that Jeffrey is not only friends with most of the famous people from finance, to business, to Hollywood, who have either been brought down during #metoo and he also speaks regularly with people ranging from the awful white house people, who he is friends with, to ken starr etc. He is concerned about exactly how we play this, as he thinks because of the variety and number of different things being discussed in the media and online, that this will be considered beyond title IX. I should say that all indications I have thus far do not suggest this. But anyway, Jeffrey would like to speak with you, as he has concerns about my having counsel who directly represent me in interactions with the University at this time vs having someone to act as an advisor and draft letters that I can send... I will pay for your time to do that if necessary. Would you be willing to do this in the next day or so? Please let me know, and I can get you contact info. Thanks. Lawrence Lawrence NI. Krauss Director. The Origins Project at A.SU Co-Director. Cosmology Initiative Foundation Professor School of Eanh & Space Exploration and Physics Department Arizona State Universit • Box S7I404, Tempe, AZ R5287.1404 lair. am Sy I kraw, ..l.icull,..ou.t<Its <imago:001.m> On Mar 21, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Justin Dillon .< 7, wrote: Ha!! Justin Dillon KaiserDillon PLLC J401 K St NW Suite 600 EFTA00851996 Washington DC 20005 From: Lawrence Krauss Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 7:37:37 PM To: Justin Dillon Subject: Re: Advice re Title IX investigation. probably for the best.. you might have become a physicist then, and your net income would be much lower. :) Lawrence NI. Krauss Director, The Origins Project at ASU Co-Director. Cosmology Initiative Foundation Professor School of Earth & Space Exploration and Physics Department Arizona State University. P.O. Box 871404. Tempe. AZ 85287.1404 orlginsavu.cdu S) krat avu.cdu <image002.png> On Mar 21, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Justin Dillon < wrote: Ditto! It would've been nice if I could've met you at a book signing 23 years ago, rather than under these circumstances, but so be it. We will get engagement agreement out to you first thing tomorrow morning. Justin Dillon KaiserDillon PLLC J401 K St NW Suite 600 Washingtpll DC 70001 From: Lawrence Krauss Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Advice re Title IX investigation. EFTA00851997 To: Justin Dillon Cc: Lawrence Krauss HI. great talking today. Whatever happens, I really like you. :) anyway, address is I should add that I have a condo in Phoenix and for the moment that is my tax residence since that is where my ASU income is. I am also incorporated with a company which uses that address as well. Primordial Productions MC It doesn't really matter of course as some company mail comes here as well.. I may pay you out of that company if it goes ahead, but you can advise on that as well.. Thanks again for the great conversation, and the generous time you devoted to it. Made me feel much better. Lawrence Lawrence NI. Krauss Director, The Origins Project at ASU Co-Director. Cosmology Initiative Foundation Professor School of Earth & Space Exploration and Physic:. Department Arizona State University, P.O. Box S71404, Tempe, AZ RS287.1404 nrIglers.asu.edu I krauss.lacults.astr.ctio <image002.png> On Mar 21, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Justin Dillon > wrote: Great, I will call you then. Justin Dillon EFTA00851998 KaiserDillon PLLC 1401 K Street NW Suite 60Q Washington, DC 20005 From: Lawrence Krauss Date: Wednesday, March 21 2018 at 1:25 PM To: Justin Dillon Cc: Susan Geiger >. Nancy Portland < Subject: Re: Advice re Title IX investigation. perfect! thanks. Lawrence NI. Krauss Director, The Origins Project at ASU Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative Foundation Professor School of hank & Space Exploration and Physics Department Anima State 4nisc,sit Box 8714/4, km • AZ 85257.1404 uthfw' edu I bros. facultsansu tidy On Mar 21, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Justin Dillon .< 7, wrote: In that case, why don't we talk a little earlier? I can move some things around. How about 2 o'clock your time? Justin Dillon KaiserDillon PLLC EFTA00851999 1401 K St. NW rSti yte060 Washington DC 20005 From: Lawrence Krauss .c. > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 1:17:23 PM To: Justin Dillon Cc: Susan Geiger; Nancy Portland Subject: Re: Advice re Title IX investigation. sure.. no worries.. actually have a dinner at 6 pm, probably done by 730 pm if that is not too late for you on the east coast. Lawrence Lawrence M. Krauss Director, The Origins Project at ASU Co-Director, Cosmology Initiative Foundation Professor School of Earth & Space Exploration and Physics Department Cg.t. I PO Fen. CPI JAM Toe•na Al R4140 Una StLildlISIISIDI I I hfillidarfasulDatthl <image002.png> On Mar 21, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Justin Dillon wrote: You choose to live in Oregon instead of Arizona? You're even smarter than I thought. Would you be able to talk later tonight, say at 6:45 your time? I've had a few things come up today that I need to deal with during daylight hours. If that works, I will call you on your cell then. Thanks, Justin Justin Dillon EFTA00852000 KaiserDillon PLLC 1401 K Street NW Suite 600 Washantan, DC 70001 From: Lawrence Krauss Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 12:13 PM To: Justin Dillon Cc: Susan Geiger , Lawrence Krauss < :>, nancy dahl Subject: Re: Advice re Title IX investigation. Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! Sony it has taken me awhile to reply. Your note lifted what was a bad day. How could I not want to talk to a lawyer who read the Physics of Star Trek! In any case, my cell phone is 2169703496, and as I am on paid vacation from ASU my schedule is relatively flexible.:) I actually live in Oregon and commute to ASU, so am on pacific time. I look forward to talking to you. Lawrence Lawrence NI. Krauss Director, The Origins Project at ASU Co-Director. Cosmology Initiative Foundation Professor acithustdat I lin ins fActilt).asuadu <image00l.png> On Mar 20, 2018, at 5:12 PM, Justin Dillon wrote: Professor Krauss, EFTA00852001 Thank you for reaching out. I read The Physics ofStar Da when it came out and have never forgotten, among other things, your unfortunately depressing analysis that so much data would be involved in transporter technology that it would never be possible. (If memory serves, you talked about how many books it would take to contain the data and analyzed it in terms of trips to the moon and back.) I am very sorry to hear about what you've been going through but would be happy to speak with you about how we might be able to help; I actually have a case going at ASU right now, and I represent, at another school, another professor who has been similarly pilloried in an unfortunately high-profile manner. I will be tied up on calls tonight but am generally available tomorrow, so please let me know what would work for you. Thanks, and have a good night. Justin Justin Dillon KaiserDillon PLLC 1401 K Street NW Suite 600 From: Susan Geiger > Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 7:58 PM To: Justin Dillon Subject: FW: Advice re Title IX investigation. Susan J. Geiger Chief Operating Officer KaiserDillon PLLC 1401 K Street NW Suite 600 Washings:ID, DC 70001 From: Lawrence Krauss • Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:36 PM To: Susan Geiger < >; Giuliana Brogna < EFTA00852002  Cc: Lawrence Krauss nancy dahl Subject: Advice re Title IX investigation. Hello. I am a Professor at Arizona State University, and also director of its Origins Project. In addition, I am relatively well known to the public. I write NYT bestselling books, appear on television and films, write for the NYT and New Yorker etc.. I am also one of the more well known atheist and skeptic speakers around the world. That celebrity status has made me a target of numerous online defamation campaigns in the past. On please note The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of ]EE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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