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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
CASE NO. 08-CIV-80893 MARR/JOHNSON
JANE DOE,
Plaintiff,
vs.
JEFFREY EPSTEIN,
Defendant.
Tuesday, June 15, 2010
4:06 p.m.
SWORN STATEMENT OF MARITZA VASQUEZ
Taken before ELAINE CRANDALL, Registered
Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for
the State of Florida at Large, pursuant to Notice
of Taking Unsworn Statement in the above cause.
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425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2
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Thereupon--
MARITZA VASQUEZ
was called as a witness by the Plaintiff and,
after having been first duly sworn, was examined
and testified as follows:
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. EDWARDS:
Q. Tell us your name.
A. Maritza Vasquez.
10 Q. And just to the get to the point, you
11 know who Jeffrey Epstein is?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And you've met him before?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. And you know who Jean-Luc Brunel is?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. And you have met him before?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Which one did you meet first?
20 A. Jean-Luc Brunel.
21 Q. And where did you meet him?
22 A. In Miami Beach.
23 Q. When?
24 A. In 1998.
25 Q. And how?
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1 A. In his office.
2 Q. Related to what; modeling?
3 A. Working, yeah. Modeling.
4 Q. What, at that point in time, did you
S know about Jean-Luc Brunel?
A. Nothing. At that time I didn't know
7 anything.
8 Q. So how did you meet with Jean-Luc Brunel
9 in his office in 1998?
10 A. Because there was a gentleman from
11 Switzerland who wanted to make business with them.
12 And I was hired by that gentleman to look through
13 all the accounts to make sure that -- you know,
14 they were kind of in bankruptcy. But he wanted to
15 know that his money, his investment, would be
16 good. So that's why I went. Like, an external
17 audit to do -- to see what was the income, the
18 expenses and something like that.
19 Q. Who is the guy from Switzerland?
20 A. I'm not going to tell you his name.
21 Q. Is that somebody who is still in touch
22 with Jean-Luc Brunel?
23 A. No. Not at all.
24 Q. What's the reason for not wanting to
25 disclose his name? Does he have anything to do
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1 with this case?
2 A. No. But I don't have permission. I
3 have to ask him.
4 Q. Okay. And after your meeting with
5 Jean-Luc Brunel in 1998 -- well, what company was
6 Jean-Luc Brunel with then?
7 A. Karin's Models, it was, at that time.
8 Q. K-A-R-I-N?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. And is that the only other modeling
11 agency that you have known Jean-Luc Brunel to be
12 associated with, besides MC Squared?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. And how long was Jean-Luc with Karin,
15 from 1998 through --
16 A. No, Jean-Luc was the owner of Karin's.
17 Before that. I think since 1986, in Paris.
18 Q. All right. And why was he no longer
19 affiliated with Karin at some point in time?
20 A. He closed -- he -- how you say -- he
21 made a dissolution. He dissolved the company.
22 Q• Were you ever hired to work with Karin?
23 A. I was hired to work with Karin's, yeah.
24 Q. When was that?
25 A. In 1998.
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1 Q. What was your position?
2 A. At that time, bookkeeper.
3 Q. In Miami?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. And how long did you stay as the
6 bookkeeper in Miami for Karin?
7 A. Until 2003, when they changed the
8 company to MC Squared.
9 Q. So when did the official change come
10 from Karin to MC Squared?
11 A. In 2003.
12 Q. And when is the first time you met
13 Jeffrey Epstein?
14 A. I met Jeffrey Epstein only once in my
15 life. And I believe it was in 2003. Two
16 thousand -- yeah, by the end of 2003, 2004.
17 Q. Where?
18 A. In New York.
19 Q. What was the occasion?
20 A. It was the open party for MC Squared.
21 Q. Where was that held?
22 A. In a discotheque in Manhattan.
23 Q. What discotheque?
24 A. I don't know. I don't remember.
25 Q. And did you meet Elaine Maxwell?
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A. I don't know her name. But he was
with -- with a woman. I don't know.
Q. And what is your understanding or what
was your understanding that Jeffrey -- in terms of
Jeffrey Epstein's involvement with MC Squared?
A. Jean-Luc always said that Jeffrey was
his friend, that he is a millionaire. And that
Jeffrey was giving him the money to -- you know,
loans or whatever -- and the apartments for the
10 girls and things like that.
11 Q. All right. Let's break that down.
12 Giving money for what purpose? For furthering MC
13 Squared?
14 A. For -- for -- yeah, the money came to MC
15 Squared, not to -- I don't know. Prior to 2003, I
16 don't know if Jeffrey Epstein ever gave him money.
17 I know that from the longest Jean-Luc was living
15 in an apartment that belongs to Jeffrey Epstein.
19 Q. What apartment is that?
20 A. It's in New York. I don't know the
21 address.
22 Q. Is that a
23 A. Yeah, something like that. I think it's
24 that one.
25 And it's my understanding that Jeffrey
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Epstein owns or controls numerous apartments in
that -- at that same address; is that right?
A. Yes. Yes.
Q. And have you ever been to that address?
A. No.
Q. And how do you know that he owns or
controls numerous apartments at that address?
A. Because at that time Evelyn Valenzeula
was the office manager of the new and she was
10 dealing personally with the assistant of Jeffrey
11 Epstein. And she had to do the payments for the
12 cable and, I believe, electricity.
13 Q. And Evelyn -- who was the assistant of
14 Jeffrey Epstein that Evelyn was dealing with?
15 A. I don't know.
16 Q.
17 A. I believe so.
18 Q. Do you remember that name?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. That's somebody who no longer lives
21 here, right?
22 A. I believe I heard that, yeah.
23 Q. Who did you hear that from?
24 A. From Evelyn, from Conetta (phonetic),
25 from --
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1 Q. Okay. And at some point in time you
2 came to know that the models were also staying in
3 these apartments atINEMIEIMMII right?
4 A. I don't know specifically they stay at
5 Jean-Luc's apartment. But I know that the models
6 were staying in different apartments that belong
7 to Jeffrey Epstein.
8 Q. And what are the names of the models
9 that were staying there, that you remember?
10 A. Most of them. You know, at that time,
11 when I was there who -- all the little girls.
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1.3 Q. How do you spell that?
14 A. I -- you know, that was in
15 2000-something. I don't recall all the names.
16 But there is a list that you can get it from the
17 office in New York.
18 Q. A list --
19 A. They have a list of models that they
20 were staying in those apartments.
21 Q. If I were to request it from the office
22 in New York, what would I ask for?
23 A. For the models' apartment list.
24 Chargeback for models apartments.
25 Q. Chargeback?
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1 A. Yeah, because Jeffrey Epstein never
2 charged Jean-Luc for rent but Jean-Luc was
3 charging rent to the girls. And in her statements
4 it shows . And
5 he was charging them, like, a thousand dollars a
6 month.
7 Q. How do you know that?
8 A. Because I was doing the statements.
9 Q. You were actually the one doing the
10 statements?
11 A. Not all the time. I was in New York
12 starting 2003.
13 Q. Through what date? You were in New York
14 from 2003 to --
15 A. 2006.
16 Q. And while you were in New York you were
17 working for MC Squared?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. And what is the proof that you have seen
20 that Jeffrey Epstein was a partner or financial
21 supporter of MC Squared?
22 A. I was the one who took the papers to
23 Mellon Bank.
24 Q. That's in Miami?
25 A. Yes. And Swetpaul (phonetic) -- I was
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1 talking at the time to Rich -- I believe his name
2 was Rich Gany. That was one of the other
3 assistants of Jeffrey Epstein.
4 Q. Gany, G-A-N-Y?
5 A. Yeah.
6 Q. Do they call him Eric Gany?
7 A. That is him name, yeah, Eric Gany.
8 That's his name. I recall some things, not all
9 the time. I recall that Mr. Epstein didn't want
10 to sign the papers, but Mellon Bank didn't want to
11 accept the Line of Credit if he didn't sign. So
12 we had to return the papers to New York so he
13 actually signed the documents.
14 Q• And what was he actually signing, that
15 you remember? Signing over as a Line of Credit
16 or --
17 A. As a line -- as the grantor of the Line
18 of Credit. Because the Line of Credit came from
19 J. P. Morgan directly, but he was the grantor. He
20 was the one who actually was responsible.
21 Q. And how much was the Line of Credit?
22 A. A million dollars, it was, at that time.
23 Q. And did you ever keep track of whether
24 or not that line was extended or any additional
25 monies were given to MC Squared?
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A. No, I don't know.
Q. So in addition to his financial
guarantor on the Line of Credit of a million
dollars, what other involvement are you aware of
that Jeffrey Epstein had with MC Squared and/or
the apartments at where the
models lived?
A. They were planning on buying or
associating with a girl in -- in France for a
10 for a company. They were planning to do a
11 company. And, actually, I gave the paper to -- to
12 Mr. Shawn Connolly, which is an actual paper that
13 came from the office from Jeffrey Epstein, that he
14 was giving instructions to Jean-Luc saying that he
15 wanted to have the same contracts as -- uh, what's
16 his name, of Donald Trump, and that he wanted to
17 have the same kind of benefits for the scouters.
18 So he was giving instructions to
19 Jean-Luc on what to do, what to -- there is a
20 woman in Paris, I don't recall her name, Frelit
21 (phonetic), I believe it was, and they were --
22 they were, the three of them, trying to do a new
23 company. But then everything was, like, on zero.
24 They never -- they never did it together.
25 Q. And do you know why?
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1 A. No.
2 Q. Would you know the lady's name in Paris
3 if I --
4 A. If you give it to me, yeah. If you give
5 me the name, I can recall.
6 Q• Okay. While I'm looking for that, how
7 many girls that were models were living in the
8 apartments at any given time at
9 Imo?
10 A. That's -- that's not only one apartment.
11 There are a lot of apartments there. There is not
12 only one girl. There is not only one apartment.
13 I believe there were, like, two or three
14 apartments. And they were put in between four
15 girls per apartment, I believe.
16 Q• How many apartments?
17 A. I believe there were, like, two or
18 three.
19 Q. And there is four girls per apartment?
20 A. Yeah.
21 Q. And you know that because you saw the
22 documentation at MC Squared that showed where
23 these girls were living?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q• Did you also have something to do with
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the visas that were prepared for the girls that
were working?
A. Yes. I was providing the names to the
attorney. His name is Luis Font. He was doing
the visas here in Miami. There was another --
Valenzuela was handling directly the visas in New
York. And only when she had problems, she hired
another attorney. I don't know the name of the
attorney in New York. But Luis Font is the --
10 was, at that time, the attorney handling the visas
11 for Miami.
12 Q. Do you remember doing the visa for
13 fill/1111a
14 A. No, that was done in New York by Eve
15 Valenzuela.
16 Q. And visa, that you specifically
17 remember being done, right?
A. Yeah, I remember that. Because at one
19 point, I believe, one of the renovations of her
20 visa, something happened. And Mr. Epstein called
21 the office while I was there and was really upset.
22 And he spoke with Jean-Luc and they -- they were
23 really nasty with Eve and, you know, it wasn't
24 if -- it wasn't Eve's fault. It was their fault
25 because they gave the wrong information. But, you
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1 know, she was only an employee and that's it.
2 Q. How did come into the
3 country?
4 A. By a model's visa, I believe.
5 Q. And was she brought in specifically by
6 Jeffrey Epstein or Jean-Luc or do you remember?
7 A. Mr. Epstein was paying for the visas.
8 But, you know, all the visas were done through --
9 through Karin's or MC Squared. I believe she came
10 with Karin's visa first, then everything
11 transferred to MC Square. And I believe those
12 visas were paid directly by Mr. Epstein.
13 Q. How old was when she
14 first came?
15 A. I don't know. I wasn't in New York at
16 that time. Because I know she came prior to me
17 getting involved in New York.
18 Q. And you were involved in New York in
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20 A. Yes.
21 Q. So she came in some time before that?
22 A. I believe so.
23 Q. But even back in= she still -- I
24 don't know how old she is now. She's probably
25 , right; do you know?
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A. No.
Q. Have you ever met her?
A. No.
Q. Have you ever met IMS
(phonetic)?
A. No.
Q. You have only met Jeffrey Epstein once
in person. How many times have you talked to him
on the phone?
10 A. Maybe once.
11 Q. At some point in time you drove several
12 girls or a number of girls over to Jeffrey
13 Epstein's house; correct?
14 A. Not me. Jean-Luc directly took them. I
15 was making the arrangements to get a limousine or
16 a car. And Jean-Luc himself was driving the girls
17 to his house because he was having a party and
18 there were supposed to be girls.
19 Q. Which girls did he drive over there?
20 A. One time I know he went with
21 with uh, what's her name? Four girls from
22 Brazil, from the same agency. is one of
23 them because I remember her name. The other
24 ones -- maybe if you --
25
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1 A. No.
2 Q.
3 A. No.
4 Q. Do you know those two girls?
S A. Yes.
6 Q. And were those girls somehow involved
7 with Jean-Luc or the modeling agency?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. They were both MC Squared models?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. And at the time, when they began, how
12 old were they; do you remember?
13 A. I believe a was, like, 14, 15. And
14 was 13, 14, when she came.
is Q. Okay. And do you know where they are
16 now, either one of them?
17 A. I know EMI is in New York.
18 Q. When is the last time you talked to her?
19 A. In 2006.
20 Q. How do you know she is in New York?
21 A. Because I saw her pictures whenever. I
22 believe she's in New York. I don't know if she
23 really is in New York but I believe.
24 Q.
25 A. , the last time I saw her was in
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1 2006, too. And, specifically, I don't know where
2 she is. But if she's in the United States, I
3 believe she's in New York. If not, she is in
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5 Q• All right. Do you know this person in
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7 A. No.
8 Q. Here is a document that we obtained
9 related to information from Jeffrey Epstein's
10 computer system. It says Massage Paris. It's in
11 a square there and it continues to the next page.
12 Tell me if you recognize any of those names.
13 A. No. is one of the girls
14 that went with now that I'm seeing kind of
15 names. is one of the other ones. If this is
16 or something like that, it's a
17 black girl that I believe she was -- she was not
18 underage but she was going out with one of
19 Jeffrey's best friends.
20 Q. Who is that?
21 A. I believe --
22 Q. Who is Jeffrey's best friend that she
23 was going out with?
24 A. I don't know. I don't know.
25 something like that, is her name.
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1 Q. All right. What information do you have
2 about Jean-Luc being involved with underage girls
3 at any point in time? And by that I mean being
4 involved sexually with underage girls.
5 A. One day he told me that he wishes he can
6 sleep with one of those girls that was underage.
7 And I told him that's a minor, whatever. And
8 then -- hold on, that's my son.
9 (Telephone interruption.)
10 A. He had a problem, you know. I cannot
11 say I saw them, look, because I would be lying.
12 And I'm not going to say any lie. But the only
13 thing that I can tell you that what I saw about
14 Jean-Luc is that Jean-Luc is a a
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16 Q. At some point in time you actually saw
17 evidence of that, right?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q• I mean, him that somebody
20 does every day?
21 A.
22 -- I know Mr. Epstein
23 doesn't take any alcohol, drugs. I know that. I
24 heard that.
25 Q. How do you know?
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A. I heard that. I heard that. I don't
know, because I never met -- I never -- I was
never, like, around him or nothing like that. I'm
just telling you what I heard. But regarding
Jean-Luc, I know I know he has that kind of
problem, no?
Q.
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10 Q. What about Jeff Fuller?
II A.
12 He was one time on the Internet, you know, like, a
13 report on that.
14 Q. And is Jeff Fuller somebody else who you
15 also knew to have been associated sexually with
16 underage girls?
17 A. Jeff, I -- you know, I don't think Jeff.
18 I always thought Jeff was ill. For me, he'slIIII
19 You know, that's the impression that I have. But
20 I don't think so.
21 Q• Did you find out that Jeffrey Epstein
22 and/or Jean-Luc Brunel were involved in these
23 underage girls that were staying in these
24 apartments at
25 A. I really don't know that. You know, I
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1 cannot tell you. I know there were girls staying
2 there. I never knew if they were going there or
3 not.
4 Q. You mean, you knew that the girls were
5 staying there; 13, 14, 15?
6 A. Some of the girls were underage, yeah.
7 Q. As well as 13, 14 or so?
8 A. Thirteen or 14, yeah.
9 Q. Did you ever ask any of the girls if
10 they were sexually involved with Jean-Luc and/or
11 Jeffrey Epstein?
12 A. No. One time there was a problem with
13 And she was -- I believe she was
14 14 years old. And she tried to go -- or they took
15 her to a discotheque in Miami Beach. And when I
16 went to work the day after, they told me that the
17 police was asking. So since she was doing
18 whatever she wanted, you know, I brought her to my
19 house and I said, you're not going out at night;
20 you're only 13, 14, and that's my responsibility.
21 Q. Do you know Sergio Cordero?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. And do you know what Sergio's role was
24 in getting girls or something for Jeffrey Epstein?
25 A. Yeah. That -- that is something that
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1 Sergio, you know, comment with me. And he said
2 that when Jeffrey Epstein went to Ecuador,
3 Jean-Luc told me that he has to bring girls and
4 this and that, because Jeffrey was coming to
5 Ecuador. So they did such a big thing.
6 Q. Right. But in terms of bringing girls,
7 specifically girls, that were very young?
8 A. Yeah, but there was girls from Ecuador.
9 There is nothing you can do there. It's South
10 America.
11 Q. I understand that. I'm not saying
12 whether it was legal or illegal. I'm just asking
13 you, the direction was that Jean-Luc told
14 Sergio --
15 A. Not to bring girls. Never said
16 never -- Sergio knew that they like young girls.
17 Q• By young, what are we talking about?
18 A. Eighteen, 19. Sergio -- you know, I
19 know Sergio. And more than anything, like, Sergio
20 is a father. And I don't think he will put his
21 hands on a ten, 11, 12, 13-year-old girl. You
22 know what I mean?
23 Q• I'm not asking about him. Do you know
24 of Jeffrey Epstein being involved with underage
25 girls?
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1 A. I heard that, yeah.
2 Q. You heard that through whom? I don't
3 mean just the newspapers and things like that. I
4 mean --
5 A. No. Through -- through the office.
6 Through Jean-Luc. Through -- there were
7 conversations of Jean-Luc saying that, you know.
8 Q. Saying what?
9 A. That Jeffrey likes underage girls. And
10 never directly but, you know, his conversations
11 were like that.
12 Q. Okay. But, specifically, I just want to
13 know what evidence that we have, what real
14 conversations that you heard, about Jeffrey
15 Epstein liking underage girls.
16 A. I'm telling you Jean-Luc saying it from
17 his mouth.
18 Q. Okay. And, specifically, he says
19 Jeffrey Epstein likes underage girls or he likes
20 12-year-olds or likes what?
21 A. No, he likes young girls. When they
22 were talking in the office, there were a lot of
23 people. So they were not stupid. They were
24 knowing how to talk. Because they were making,
25 like, a big thing of, oh, look, he's going out
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1 with (phonetic), and we knewEMI. was
2 only 18 years old. She is a young girl. So
3 that's the kind of girl he likes. You know what I
4 mean?
5 Q• But there is nothing illegal going out
6 with an 18-year-old girl. And that's what I'm
7 asking.
8 A. No.
9 Q. What information do we have that Jeffrey
10 Epstein was involved with underage girls? I mean,
11 I have a lot of information of my own. But I'm
12 asking what information do you know.
13 A. The only thing I heard in the office,
14 that Jean-Luc say it, that they like -- when they
15 say, oh, I wish I could sleep with this girl or
16 the fact that he was taking 15, 16-year-old girls
17 to his house.
18 Q. Who?
19 A. I know that because I saw him.
20 Jean-Luc was taking 15-year-old girls to
21 his own place?
22 A. No, to Jeffrey's house.
23 Q. To Jeffrey's house?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. And what 15-year-old girls was he taking
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1 to Jeffrey's house?
2 A. At the time I'm telling you it was ,
3 lila I don't know remember the other two
4 girls. There is two & girls. I gave it
5 to you before, the names. I don't remember right
6 now.
7 Q. Do you know Leslie Groff?
8 A. No.
9 Q. Do you know Khalid Mohammed?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. What did he do?
12 A. He was a scouter and a booker.
13 Q. Scouter; what does that mean?
14 A. Person looking for models.
15 Q. And how legitimate was
16 A. Khalid Salaam.
17 Q. Salaam?
18 A. Yeah.
19 Q. Right. Where was he bringing models in
20 from or looking for models? Outside the country
21 or --
22 A. Inside the country. Very -- not often
23 from outside the country, no, no. From inside.
24 Q. Did you ever hear of any of the parties
25 that took place on Jeffrey Epstein's island?
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1 A. In --
2 Q• Little St. James?
3 A. One New Year's, I believe -- that was,
4 like, 2004, 2005, that New Year's -- they were
5 having a party there.
6 Q. Who was having a party there?
7 A. Mr. Epstein.
0 Q. And who was at the party that you know?
A. I know Jean-Luc was there. But then --
10 specifically, I don't know if Jean-Luc stay there,
11 because what I do recall is that, during those
12 days, there was, like, December 30 or 29,
13 something like that, Jean-Luc call me from Puerto
14 Rico that he was doing the scouting and he --
15 actually, he was the one who told me that he had
16 to go to Jeffrey's island because they were having
17 the party there for New Year's.
18 Q. What other girls do you know of that
19 were at that party?
20 A. I don't know.
21 Q. Do you know of any of the other people
22 that were at that party?
23 A. No.
24 Q. Just Jean-Luc and Epstein?
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. The last time that we talked, I have
2 just the investigative report, which basically was
3 just typed up from the things that you said. It
4 was written that Ms.a advised that she,
5 herself, submitted the documents to renew
6 foreign visa on at least two occasions.
7 A. No, not me. It was Evelyn Valenzeula.
8 I never did her visa. That visa was done by
9 Evelyn in New York.
10 Q. When is the first time that you learned
1.1 that was involved with Jeffrey
12 Epstein?
13 A. I believe in III/. After I was out of
14 the company.
15 Q. You didn't know, when you were in the
16 company, that they were involved?
17 A. No.
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17 Q. The last time, I have a lot of other
18 notes about some of the models that were being
19 brought in and signing visas, as if they were
20 going to work here, but really they were living in
21 the apartment and didn't really do any modeling
22 work.
23 A. Yeah, that is true. That is true. I
24 told you that. Many, many girls were coming here.
25 Many girls were coming here first without a visa,
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without a working visa. Most of the girls, they
were coming in to the States as tourists. They
were working -- whenever they work, they were
collecting 30 percent from their income when they
were not even legal. They didn't even have a
Social Security or nothing but they never pay it.
Neither to the government, neither to the girls,
you know. And within the time, I believe Jean-Luc
start getting pressure from Mr. Epstein that he
10 didn't want to get in trouble and he put some
11 pressure on Jean-Luc. So he wanted all the girls
12 to have a visa. So they start working on the
13 visas of the girls.
14 Q. Okay.
15 A. And they were making, like, contracts or
16 things like that. Because, prior to that, they
17 didn't have it. Prior to that, when Jean-Luc --
18 prior to Jean-Luc getting the money from
19 Mr. Epstein, Jean-Luc was doing whatever he
20 wanted.
21 Q. Okay.
22 A. And later, you know, Mr. Epstein put the.
23 money that he had to start taking, you know, all
24 the invoices from Mr. Epstein.
25 Does Jeffrey Epstein know that Jean-Luc
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2 A. I don't know. I don't even know that
3 Mr. Epstein knows that Jean-Luc lied to him all
4 the time. Because when he -- when I gave the Line
5 of Credit to Jean-Luc, Jean-Luc presented false
6 statements to him. You know, Mr. Epstein wanted
7 to see that the company was a profitable company
8 and we had to hide all those numbers. And we had
9 to give him, like, positive numbers so he can see
10 that the company was making money but in belief
11 always was in red.
12 Q. What do you mean by that? Jeffrey
13 Epstein said, hey, I'm going to give you money as
14 long as the company is positive?
15 A. Yeah. Mr. Epstein wanted to see -- I
16 believe -- I believe, since he's a very successful
17 person moneywise, he was not stupid to put his
18 money, even though he knew he was able to get
19 girls or whatever, you know, if that was the case.
20 But deep inside he wanted to see if these people
21 really -- if this company was profitable for him
22 to put a million dollars.
23 So maybe Eric Gany, at the time, was one
24 of his advisors. And they wanted to see the
25 profit and loss statements and, you know, the
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balance book or whatever.
I told you the name of the accountant
that you could go and took all those papers, you
know, make a subpoena or whatever, of Richard
Fernandez, that he could give you all the
information, 1998, '99, 2000, after 2005, that he
did everything and you could see the company was
always in red, always.
Q. So the company wasn't profitable but
10 Jean-Luc falsified documents to show to Jeffrey
11 Epstein?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And have you seen the real documents and
14 the falsified documents?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. So you know that they were falsified?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. Is it your understanding that Jeffrey
19 Epstein is still involved, from a financial
20 aspect, in MC Squared?
21 A. I believe so. Because, as far as I
22 know, the Line of Credit wasn't paid. The million
23 dollars wasn't paid.
24 Q• And Jean-Luc and Jeffrey Epstein are
25 still friends?
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1 A. Yes. Jean-Luc is still living in
2 Jeffrey Epstein's apartment in New York.
3 Q. How do you know that?
4 A. Well, because -- because I know.
5 Q. From Evelyn?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Is Evelyn still working for MC Squared?
B A. No.
Q. Do you know who is working for MC
10 Squared?
11 A. It was working until not too long ago a
12 very -- Evelyn's goddaughter, Jobelin, she was
13 working there.
14 Q. How do you spell it?
15 A. J-O-B-E-L-I-N.
16 Q. Okay. Anybody else?
17 A. In Europe?
18 Q. Yea, or here.
19 A. No, that was related to Eve? No,
20 Evelyn -- Jobelin.
21 Q. Who works in the MC Squared office here?
22 A. Here, I knew other things, because
23 Amanda Grant and -- I gave you her name more than
24 one time. Amanda was working with them until
25 2008. And she got a lot of information. And she
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1 wanted -- you know, she call -- I arrange she call
2 Immigration, because they screw her. And,
3 actually, they made her leave the company because
4 she has -- . And
they were giving her a lot of bad -- bad time.
6 (Telephone interruption.)
7 Q. How do you spell her name, Amanda Grand,
8 G-R-A-N-D?
9 A. N-T. Amanda Grant.
10 Q. And do you know her address, phone
11 number; something like that?
12 A. I have -- you can get it in Facebook.
13 She's in Facebook. Amanda Grant.
14 Q• Do you have it?
15 A. Not in this phone. My other phone broke
16 so I don't. I can get it for you, if you want.
17 Q. Yeah, I would appreciate it.
18 A. Yeah.
19 Amanda had also the information of
20 monies, as I told you before, that took monies
21 that they were transferred to the British Virgin
22 Islands.
23 Q. Monies transferred to the British Virgin
24 Islands?
25 A. Yes.
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4• From what account to what?
A. Jean-Luc opened an account there because
Jeffrey told him that it was better to open an
account there. So there was money -- like, for
example, if the monies were going to Manuel Cruz
to do a shoot or something, Jean-Luc was
negotiating with the girls and say, okay, if you
go to do the sunny photos, I give you $2,000 cash,
no reports, whatever.
10 So Jean-Luc had -- as billing that
11 company from another company, or from the British
12 Virgin Islands. So he was neither paying taxes
13 here and maybe he was making $20,000 on that
14 shooting and he was giving the girl only $2,000
15 and that money never cam
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