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• 31E-NfIVI-108062 Yes. OK. And then to stay in the room for a couple of seconds and then Jeffrey would be coming in the room any minute. And then Jeffrey did come in the room, he said Hi and he shook my hand again but then he went out of the room and he got just a towel on and then he came into the room again and laid belly down on the massage table. OK. Stop a minute what did this man look like? This Jeffrey Epstein. 0 : Old. (Laughter) How old? — 4 Ah, he looked like 50plimaybe, 40sh. "‘ ) OK. Ah, how he was he dressed when you initially met him? Like he was going golfing, he just like ah, Polo t-shirt on and khaki pants. OK and how were you met, when your first went to his house, DRESSED when you first went to his house? s: Ah, I was wearing a regular t-shirt, my hollister shirt and just some jeans. OK. What kind of underwear did you have on? 0 : A thong. And the bra, what type of bra? It was a bra. No special certain type. But thong underwear. Were you uncomfortable getting down to your bra and • 7 EFTA01700132 • 31E-MM-108062 underwear? Aha, like I was kind of hesitant, I was like sitting in the room for, until Jeffrey came in, like thinking like to myself; well, like what's going on? Like I don't know, I was kind of hesitant but then I just didn't care 'cause I wanted $200 'cause I wanted to spend it and so I just .... U. OK, alright. So he comes out and he's in a towel. Start from there. • And he like laid on the massage table, on his stomach and then he told me like I should grab any of the three lotions that she had put down on the table and so I just grabbed one of them and then I just gave, like I sat. First I wasn't sitting on the table because he was sitting on the table and I was kind like, I just stood up and then I started to give him a massage and then he's making conversation asking me exactly what he was gonna tell me to do, like, it was, high school, do you go to and all that stuff; so... Did he askigpu Ifor o 3 Ypti were? \ i Aha. \ • P N. • L • )_ • And what did you tell him? I told him I was 18. And, ah, he asked me like what do I like to do on my spare time and I said I dance and all the stuff and just asked me some small talk. And then he's like, oh, well you don't need to stand up, you can sit on the table and, so I sat on the table and I was giving him a massage and I think the massage was a couple of minutes like 15 or 20 minutes and this whole time we were just conversating about anything and he was telling how he had another house in New York and just all bunch stuff that I was like amused by and then, ah, after like 20 minutes of giving him a massage or 30 minutes or something. It was around that time, he asked me if I wanted to make an extra $100 and ah, all, that he had to use... Before we et there me just ask you a couple things. You said that the Assistant had you • }hum, mmm. • Is that yes? • Yeah. 8 EFTA01700133  31E-MM-108062 S Do you remember telling Detective_that it was Jeffrey Epstein that asked you to undress? No, I'm ositive it wasn't Jeffre 'cause he didn't come in the room 'till after I was already OK. That's in her report, that's incorrect. Yes. 0: Ah when you talked about getting on the table, do you recall telling Detective that you were actually Yeah, that's when I got on the table after he, after a couple of minutes. Yeah. Well' kind. f \ill'id' (*)- So if she wrote: You stated you That be kind of correct. OK Yeah, I guess you can say that. o: So how long did that go on when you are The, until, like the massage part was over and then he is, ah, like asked, well, would you like to make an extra $100 and I said sure. And then he's like but I, I ah, have to like you're not gonna be giving me a massage anymore. It's onna be somethi different and I was like, oh, what is it? And then he's like And I said OK. And then, so then he got up and he went to like the, like other room for a couple of seconds, like literally couple seconds and then came back in the room. And next to the little vani bi mirror and on the big table there was on the floor, MIS . 9 EFTA01700134  31F,-MM-108062 What did it look like? What was it shaped like? OK, alright. And then, ah, after he grabbed that, he laid back on the table and, except this time he was on his back and I was artiall on the table like sometimes I put it on e couch. Like 'cause the couch was right here an the table was right there so it's kind of close and I, he told me to keep giving him a massage • I. ! , It` So you're sitting/culitlietable emcflie4andurglip. • ! • j \ .1 No, no, he was laying back on the table, but like I was kind of on the table. OK, but he's laying down now? Aha. OK. Now, I hate, l have to be detailed here. OK, alright. Co ahead. OK. And then, after for a couple of minutes, that's what he was doingir .for like a couple of minutes, ah, like I was still on the table and ah, old • me that if he, like if he does that you have to get more money because that's like. 10 EFTA01700135 31E-MM-108062 He gives you extra money anyway 'cause I guess it's some his rule or whatever.... Had told you that before? Hmm, mm. She told me that like the night that I, like had this whole conversation with her and she told me about it. • OK. So she just didn't tell you were going for a massage. She told you that there you might have to take your clothes off? No. She didn't tell me that I have to take my clothes off but she said that if. then you can get more money. OK. So when he offered the extra $100, you had a pretty good idea what was coming next? Yeah. I N, , • \-• OK. _.; :t And, ah... And when what do you mean? He put and OK. Could you see at that point? Aha. Is that a yes? Yes. Alright, go ahead. That went on for how long? A couple of seconds maybe, like, yeah, like 40 seconds and then ah, and then after that, like the massage was over and he went into the, out the other door, back to where, I couldn't see where he was going 'cause the door was this way and he walked out and I guess he had like, ah, his money behind the door because it only took him a couple of seconds for him to come back in the room and then he 11 EFTA01700136 • 31E-MM-108062 opened this money, like this block and give me 300 dollar bills and he told me thank you and then he's like, ah, there's a notepad there next to the couch and he told me to write my name, my number 'cause I had a cell phone at the time and he told me to write my cell phone number down, and ah, how he can get a hold of me and all this stuff. So I wrote my number down, and wrote my name and then after that he just left the room and told me I can get you again and that it was done, I was over. Did you actually see him No. Did he not Sr you didn't see that ? If he did, I didn't see. N: Ah, do you•recall Detectivahappened in a different sequence? No. • And that he IIIMINIMIMMa Mmm, maybe this was like two and a half years ago, so .... OK. That could've happened. • Do you recall not telling her about the her? at all the first lime you talked to Yeah. I remembered that because I was scared. OK. Why were you scared about that and not scared telling her that he in front of you or in front of you? 'Cause that's his body and the So you didn't want to admit that you allowed him to MI? Yeah. • 12 EFTA01700137 • 31E-MM-108062 OK. And he gave you $300, you left your number so he can contact you again? Yes. OK. Ah, when you left the room what happened? You got dressed, did he take you downstairs or did you go downstairs by yourself? I just went downstairs by myself. Who was down there? Waste still down there? Aha. The, was there and the other girl was there and the Assistant lady she might have n there but I don't know, I can't remember but then after that, ah, we left. Like they don't do anything, they didn't, she got money but she didn't do anything. Who is she?,--. t did. • • m: .••• •.• • Do you know how much money got? I think it was $300 too or maybe $200. Do you know what that was for? Not at the time, I, I thought, maybe she did something with somebody else in the house but then I was like thinking. There was only Jeffrey and the lady there, like I didn't think anything of it and I... So did you learn that she got money for bringing you there? Yeah. I kind of figure that when I got back home like I was thinking about it for a while. And I realize, well, it's probably because she brought me. Did you discuss with= what happened up in that room? Yes. Then, ah when we got in her truck, ah, at first we were all like, ah, let's go, let's go and spend our money and then she's like, ah, What happened? What did you do? How much money did you get? And I was like, I, I got $300 and I was like, I was excited $300. And she was like, You got 300 what did you have to do with him? And then She told me or I told him or her what I did and then she's like 13 EFTA01700138 • 31E-MM-108062 Oh, Yeah, Ah, I've done that too, bla, bla. Like you could, then she told me like, what, what like if you do this, it's, you usually get that, if you this and then you get that. And she was telling me like all the stuff and then, ah, I was like, ah, like laughing about it 'cause I was like, yeah, thanks for telling me that and I had to take care of my problem and she was like Oh, Sorry and then the other girl started laughing too and we all laughed together and then, then we went to TJ Max and she got a purse. I didn't spend any of my money, I kept in my, I wanted to spend it but I didn't want to spend it a TJ Max. I wanted to go to the mall or something, so I kept in my house, like my purse and stuff, and.... • Let me sill youand there. When you are in the car back with going back, did discuss doing this again so you can earn more money? Yeah. I think. We didn't plan it like any certain date, she was just like, we didn't like plan this again, we didn't plan plan it, I was just like, ah, she was like oh, well, if you ever need money again, you can always call me and you can come with me andIsaid • — te You don't recall tellinpetectiv that ybu made plans to do this every Saturday so youeduld get rich?''_ • Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It wasn't like a plan, plan. It was kind like an imaginary kind a, every Saturday like thing, it wasn't for sure. Ah, did you go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house to give him other massages? I did not. While I was on the phone with the Detective, we pretended for MI 'cause she was on the other line, we pretended that I was gonna go back, but, just that she could say something, but I never did. So you did a control phone call with= Aha. Trying to her naked missions? Yes. Is that a yes? Yes. • 14 EFTA01700139  31E-MM-108062 OK. Alright. Was there another reason, you sort didn't go back? 'Cause some people might have found about it or where talking about you? Yeah. That's what I was gonna get to. At school, ah, ah, I had like, my best friend and I told her in dance class, 'cause that's my first period. That was my first period, ah, class and I like, right when I got back to school, I had this $300 in my purse with me and I told her like if you ever want to make $300, you can come with me and would take you and I didn't say her name, I said like my friend would take you and all you have to do is give him a massa e and stuff and I told her 'What I did. I didn't tell her everything. I didn't tell her , I just left that out but I told her everything else. Ah, she kind of laughed and giggled and she is like OK, I keep that in mind. Who is this person that you talked? well she was in the conversation but she is like, didn't say anything to.anybody. ~. =b. • r Ashley, who? • IN: =le .: OK. She didn't say anything at first until everybody else found out, ah, and then after I told the rest of the day goes by and she was telling people like telling everybody in school. And then I was like, I saw her in my Gym class that same day and 'just confronted her, I was like, Cool, why are you telling people? And that's kind of my business and I kind of told you to be nice and that's it. Like go around telling people, you are supposed to be my best friend and then she just laughed about it. So we got into altercation in the Gym room. Is that a fight? You got a fight? •: Yes. We got into a fight and ah, that's when I got to see the Principal's Office, and told why she got in a fight with me and I told why we got in a fight. I kind of, we, at first we kind of lied about why 'cause, or I did and then I just told the Principal she was spreading rumors about me. Then I guess, told the Principal, why, like for real, and so then the Principal when I had to go in the room, she's like, minding seeing your purse and I said why and she is like, asked me if I had any money and I said, No, I don't have any money on money. And then she said you don't have to lie, you are not gonna be in trouble, give me your • 15 EFTA01700140 • 31E-MM-108062 purse. Then I gave her my purse and she found the $ 300 and she asked me how I got it and I said I worked at Chick Fillet. 'Cause at the time, I really did work at Chick Fillet. And, ah.... Why did you lie to the Assistant Principal? 'Cause I didn't think it was like any of her business, like why we were arguing or anything and I thought why would I tell her myself if I, if she doesn't really know anything yet. But then she really did know 'cause told her. And then after, like after she took my purse and looked at the $ 307tre didn't believe what I said, like at all. I just kept lying, like saying no like I got from Chick Filet, my work, my work and then she said you don't need to lie, I know what happened and she called my step mom to the school and my step mom came to the school and my step mom said like, You didn't get $ 300 from you paycheck, you're lying and that's when like I don't know everything kind of came out and then.... You didnIt:tell parents at first but did you-lie,toAhrn,too. I said I was doing drugs; and I was stealing them. Like I made up any kind of lie, I didn't wani. to tell their' Miathappened.s L • Ah, did there come a time when Detective got some messages off your phone? From From Yes, oh, after that whole thing, my cell phone was taken away, so yeah, s e ad my cell phone from that day until she, I moved to Georgia. I think she still has it or does the court or whatever has my cell phone. OK. You talked about telling your mom you were doing drugs or selling drugs. Yeah. Which one? Both I just kind of, my dad is arguing with me and I just kind of told them: I'm a drug dealer. OK. you've had a problem with drugs, haven't you? • 16 EFTA01700141 • 31E-MM-108062 I did. Not problem, I experimented. Didn't your parents actually sent you away to a rehabilitation center because of it? To a Family Help Center to be specific or whatever. It was because of that but it was also because I had a lot of family like getting along problems like I argue with my parents a lot. Were you doing drugs during the time that you went to Jeffrey Epstein's house? The only drug that I did at that time was pot like I smoked it sometimes. I didn't do like drugs, drugs like bad kind of drugs. Ah, do you still do pot? No. ' I Do you have a My$pade.coin account? I — Yes. I hay' a.MSrSpac \ • On there, do you talk about doing drugs? No, I don't talk about, there's like a, a, like a little things were it says create like your own thingie and it has questions like a survey, that's the word I'm looking for. A survey about like they just ask questions and it says, have you ever done drugs? And I said, yeah, it's a have you ever done drugs. OK. Ah it asks a lot of questions about you, right? Yes, but I also deleted MySpace and I did a good one. 'Cause my parents found out. So you have one that wasn't real good. Yeah. That you lied about your age on. Said you were 18 on. No, I didn't say I was 18. Is this your account? • 17 EFTA01700142 31E-MM-108062 (Pause) N0000. Here it says Female 18 years old. Lives in Loxahatchee. s: Yes, but I didn't do this one. All mines have like cool things on the back like, mine, I would never make an ugly one. Twins do have more fun. Yeah, and I have that's like those exact same things, on my old one and it had like not where it says about me in that little sentence. I didn't make that. OK. So when you are talking about that survey, you answered, ah, it says, your choice of alcohol and you put Beer. ( Yeah. 1 Do you drinIc-be.e _ • At parties. you have 4 piercings. Not anymore, now I only, I used to have belly button pierced. It takes, ah, you have to be 18 in the State of Florida to have body piercing other than your ears. My dad... How did you get those? My dad took me to get my belly button pierced for my 14th birthday, 'cause like everybody was getting so I begged for it and then I just got my nose pierced ao Did you have to provide identification for your nose to prove you were 18? No, my dad, my dad let me. s: Your dad, so you didn't have false identification at any time. 18 EFTA01700143  31E-MM-108062 • No. OK, so you said yes to drinking and smoking, smoking pot? • Yeah. There's a question. Do you shoplift? Do you recall what you put for that? I did. What, did you shoplift? Like, yeah, a couple of times. Do you recall putting a lot of times on your site? E: Maybe, this was-a long,time ago. So OK, you reported an income of 5250,000 on that It's a joke, yeah, it's a joke like all my friends do that 'cause it's kind of fumy and • II : random and stupid. So it's not that you are making money elsewhere doing similar activity? s: No, this is kind of stupid. It's like a joke. N: Did you ever make arrangementi with in April of 2005? to go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house N: Not when I was with her maybe on a phone conversation like with that Detective. But not ever when I was with her. Did you ever talk to about going back in April of 2005? s: I really don't think so. Alright, ah, at this point I'm gonna ask the Grand Jurors if they have any questions for you, OK? OK. • 19 EFTA01700144  • 31E-MM-108062 • Where do you live now? I live in Loxahatchee. U: Where? Loxahatchee. s: Did you say you lived up in Georgia? • Yes, I moved to Georgia in July with my mother. Your step mother and father sent you up there to get away from the activities down here. • No, I moved with my mom when I was with my dad like after this all happened. My mom-anchiny dad were\arguingand I (lidn'tlike,rny.did anymore. I just felt living back with my mom: So I nibyed with myiniorn and that when I went to the ites.what isgalled. And then after that my mom planned on moving to Cjeorgia.1..She' been Planningfor like two years before any • of this ever happened and they finally found the house in Georgia, so we moved. And I moved with them. OK. Do you have any idea, did a side of you that what you are doing is wrong? Yeah, I did. U: Did you set your goals of not do it anymore? Yes, I don't, I haven't talked to any of those people since that day. U: And you are well aware that what you are doing to your own reputation? Yes, I do. U: Are you aware that you committed a crime? Now, I am, I didn't know it was a crime when I was doing it. 'Cause I don't know, now I guess it's prostitution or something like that. • 20 EFTA01700145  a 31E-MM-108062 Any other questions? You said you worked at Chick Filett, you were 14 and you worked in a Chick Fillet? Yeah, in the mall. That's when first let you work when you are 14. •' OK. And then you are living back now with your father. You moved back. Anybody else in the front row? Second row, yes sir. •' You kept saying Jeffrey's Assistant, do you know her name? No, I know that she was blonde haired and she was tall and skinny. I don't remember her name. •: Yes, sir in-the back row: • \, i , : ) • Yes, Miss MB did you eveiftgO hack16 Mr Epstein's on your own? • •: No, sir, I didn't. Did he ever contact you in your cell phone? He never called you? • No, because I got my phone taken away. U: Did you ever feel that his behavior was a little strange? That's what we all joke about in the car. Did it ever occurred to you that he could have act you up? Now, I think about it and a lot of things could have happened. I thought about it a lot and a lot of different things could have happened. Any other questions for Miss IMM Alright, thank you very much. Thank you. (END OF CONVERSATION) • 21 EFTA01700146  DRAFT fm ny. se g 310.3 ISM 31Sol or not ty IM "M. 0eYa "W Osa Iln:4129 300.17 Yen 5 • rtamaca ~emna Tite kro nam t y my town is 3$001/3130•1011Oldts Dar 24.91On &ISO& ImemaluI• Cluy. 'har tom miltesol ary ka• ad a mddm Vy i su COnl innd- Olsokey. 6 el 4~74111. Otay. 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