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FILE NUMBER: 31E-MM-108062 DATE OF TAPE: October 05, 2005 TIME OF TAPE: 12:42 P.M. TYPE OF TAPE: MICRO CASSE I 1 b. CASE AGENT: SA E. TRANSCRIBED TAPE BY: (PBCRA) DATE TYPED: 02/22/2007 PARTICIPANTS: DJC - DETECTIVE DMD - DETECTIVE FP - ABBREVIATIONS: (UI) UNI tl 1B1.1E AU rt, TANEOVS CONVERSATION Grand Jury Materiel- umserninaleOnly Pursuant to Rule 8(o) Fed. R. Crim. P. EFTA_00085870 EFTA01250518 31E-MM-108062 DJR: Today is October 04, 2005, this is ID number 7915, Detective at the Palm Beach Police Department, present at 1301 C Road is Detective of the Palm Beach Police Department and can you say your name for the record? FP: DJR: M, can you spell your last name? FP: DJR: How old are you? FP: I'm 18. DJR: 18. OK. You're currently in college? FP: Yeah. DJR: OK. Whatscolle are;yoti attending ?. FP: Ah, Valencia. DJR: Valencia, OK. And your date of birth is? FP: (Noise in the background) DJR: OK. Can you raise your right hand for me? You solemnly swear the whole truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? FP: Yes. DJR: OK. M, if you can tell me from the beginning how you met Jeffrey Epstein. 1 know you have some information and we are conducting an investigation. Ah, there were here last night, ah, I spoke with your mom and dad, ah, if you can just start from the beginning as how you met him and how it came about. FP: I met him through my friend DJR: OK. How long ago was that? FP: Probably about (UI) 2 EFTA 00085871 EFTA01250519 31E-MM-108062 DJR: OK. OK FP: And, ah, Sec, I went there once with her and to give him a massage and then she asked me if I wanted to do it and then I did it a little bit and then after that like he kind of scared me when I went there so I decided not to go back. DJR: OK. The first time you went with . Did you go upstairs with him? FP: No. I stayed down at the kitchen. DJR: OK. Did tell you that, ah, what was entailed as to what had to be done? FP: Well, she said that the first you got to give him a massage and then she said like the more it goes, the best for me, like the more he expects (UI) with girls then that's what it kind of scared me. DJR: OK. I interviewed other girls and they told me pretty much about the same thing about the massage but there's more to that..`•Ah, more to the massage, that's why I didn't want Mom to be inhere and ydu can 'talk to me about anything. Like I said I interviewed other people already wha.gave told me what really transpired in that room, I know it's gonna be difficult for you but .... FP: We first kind of went there and I gave him a massage and he was just, he was acting like somebody decent, like very nice, and then he kept like staring at me and I'm like, ah, I was giving a massage and then he kept on looking at me and then he's like, oh, you're getting shy and I was like, Yeah, and then he said you feel uncomfortable, and I was like Yeah, a little bit. And then he's like OK. And he said do you want to stop? And I was like No, it's OK. And he's like why are you like deep inside and then I said I don't know and then like, changed the subject and he stopped talking about it and then, ah, and then when we were done he said that if I wanted to come back and see more about it, he would like pay me more and then I was going to talk to if I wanted to come back. DJR: OK. What kind of questions did he ask you when you were massaging him? FP: He asked me about, ah he was asking me if I had any friends that might want to give him a massage and I said I don't know and then he asked me what I wanted to do when I grow up and stuff like that and I asked him if he was going to let me stay with (UI) DJR: OK. Did he ever ask you how old you were / 3 EFTA 00085872 EFTA01250520 31E-MM-108062 FP: No. DJR: No, did he know that you were 17? FP: No, I don't think so. DJR: Or it would've been 16, it was a year ago, right? FP: Honestly I'm not really sure of anything. DJR: OK. During the massage, did you, were you naked or....? FP: No, I wasn't. DJR: You had all your clothes on? FP: Hmm, mmm. DJR: Ah, did he touch in anyway? FP: He was like kind of leaning towards it but I don't think he (111) but I heard about other girls like he ah, he made them take off their clothes and stuff. DJR: OK. That was the first time you went. Right? FP: Yeah. No, it was the first second time that I gave him a massage. The first time I went I went with DJR: So you went upstairs with =? FP: No, I was in the kitchen. DJR: You were in the kitchen. You only had two times that you went there. FP: Yes. DJR: The first time, you didn't do anything but just sit in the kitchen. FP: Yeah. DJR: Who did you sit in the kitchen with? 4 EFTA_00085873 EFTA01250521 3IE-MM-108062 FP: He had a cook that was there and he had ah, two other girls that worked with him. DJR: OK. Did you massage his back? Was he naked when you were massaging him? FP: He had like a towel on. His upper no, but he had like a towel on. DJR: OK. Did he ever remove that towel? FP: No. DJR: When you were massaging him, he never removed the towel. FP: No. DJR: OK. Did you, did he have you touch his private area? FP: No. I wouldn't do that. DJR: You wouldn't do that. OK. Did he touch you in your private areas? FP: No. He kept like saying, like I don't know, I (UI) but I heard other stories. DJR: Right. I'm concerned about you, I know about other stories and I interviewed other people that have told me different things. That's why I'm trying to find out what happened to you. OK? FP: Hmm, mmm. DJR: You're the victim on this, so that's why I'm trying to find out what happened to you. FP: Hmm, mmm. DJR: OK?, ah, Who took you upstairs to...? FP: Ah, this girl that works for him. DJR: OK. so took you up? FP: Yeah. DJR: Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 5 EFTA_00085874 EFTA01250522 31E-MM-108062 FP: Ilmm,mm, there's the massage table and she didn't say the towels are on it. She said the stuff that is out should be fine. DJR: OK. Have you received any massage training? FP: No. DJR: No. I have to ask. FP: Ha. DJR: Ah, was one of the two girls that was in the kitchen with you. FP: Yeah. DJR: OK. Ah, did you ever go back to his house? FP: Well, the tfie— th‘ltoirdPiu. a ".Z DJR: After that you never.gone,b .y e ver1 co ck. How much did you receive for the massage? FP: $ 200. DJR: You received $ 200. OK. Did explain to you what was gonna be involved? FP: She said the first time you go there, you pretty much give him a massage but the money (UI) DJR: That's what scared you? DMD: Shc said what you were expecting, she didn't really say.... FP: she didn't say exactly what but U), she imply, you know taking your clothes off and stuff like that. DJR: So, you didn't remove any of your clothing? FP: No. DJR: What were you wearing? Can you remember? 6 EFTA 00085875 EFTA01250523 31E-MM-108062 FP: Ah. This shirt, I don't know, it was a long time ago. I don't know exactly. (UI) DJR: I know and I know you already told your mom what happened. I know this is hard for you but FP: I'm just scared for my (UI) DJR: Don't worry. You are not the only person I talked to, OK, there's a lot of people, ah, that I talked to and I'm going to talk to, ah, how did you get to his house? FP: With DJR: took you the first time and you sat in the kitchen. FP: Yes. DJR: What about the second time? , • ., FP: The second time, I drove and she came up to me .... • , DJR: You drove. OK. What did you drive? FP: Ah, I used to have a Cavalier. DJR: A Cavalier. What color? FP: Red. DJR: OK. Can you describe to me, what does Jeffrey look like? Jeffrey looks like? FP: Ah, he's tall and then he has white hair, dark hair and he usually wears big glasses, I think (UI) DJR: OK. When you massage, when you massage him, you massage his back area? FP: Yes. And I massage his feet too. DJR: And his feet. Did you do his leg? FP: Yeah and his calves. DJR: His calves. Thigh area? 7 EFTA_00085876 EFTA01250524 31E-MM-108062 FP: No. DJR: His chest area? FP: No. DJR: No. Can you describe what his body looks like? FP: Well, he's not fat and his not like thin, he's average. DJR: Average, OK. Is he hairy, is he not hairy? FP: Ah, a little bit. DJR: A little bit he got hair on his back? FP: Yeah. DJR: Yeah, how'about hairton his chest? FP: I, I (UI) DJR: No. OK, ah, so he did not touch inappropriately? FP: No. DJR: No. Did he, ah, masturbate? FP: No. DJR: No. Do you know what masturbate means? FP: Yeah. DJR: OK. Why don't you tell me what it means? FP: Ha. DJR: Just that I know that you knew. FP: Playing with your private parts. 8 EFTA_00085877 EFTA01250525 31E-MM-108062 DJR: OK, OK. I have to make sure you understand what .... FP: ... yeah, ha, ha DJR: I know it's difficult, I know. He didn't touch himself while you were massaging him. FP: No. DJR: No. Ah, is there anything else that you would like to add? FP: I mean, I heard about stories that you said, you know, I mean, I don't have anything to say like inappropriate or (CI) DJR: Right. Well a lot of people that I have been talking to, ah, about your age and a couple of younger than you so that's the part that I have problems with it. : • FP: Yeah. R. DJR: Ali, do you have any questions? ?f. DMD: Did you see any other, when you were there, you said, two girls in the kitchen. The second time you went, you saw =, were there any other girls there? FP: Yeah, there were the same two girls that .... DMD: The same two girls, OK. FP: I think, I'm pretty sure that they travel with him. DJR: OK. Alright, well at this time I'm gonna conclude the statement, it's II: 45 a.m. (END OF TRANSCRIPT) 9 EFTA_00085878 EFTA01250526