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-1 of 12 - (Inlets'. Retain) ID.302 (Rev. 54440) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Umeofemn, 01/12/2021 date of birth (DOB) , was interviewed via video conference. Present on the video call was attorney Also present on the video call was Assistant United States Attorneys III and , along with Detective IIII and Special Agent After being advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, provided the following information: In the fall of 2004, thought she worked with was originally placed in a model's apartment for teenagers because she was was moved to an apartment with three older girls in their twenties, LAST NAME UNKOWN (LNU), LNU, and LNU. was approximately 22-25 years old, was approximately 20-21 years old, and was approximately 25- 26 years old. They told she could massage a guy (JEFFREY EPSTEIN) for a couple hundred dollars. was told she would have to be in lingerie while giving the massage. They told he was nice and would talk on the phone taking business calls and would ask questions about her. They told he would tell you what to do and would have to rub his feet and calves. All three of the girls in the apartment with went and all said he was nice. Looking back on it does not know why she did not think it was creepy because that is how her self feels. New York, New York, United States U Other (Video MWMISMWMOn 08/13/2020 m Conference)) Hem SOD-NY-3027571 Dale drafted 08/26/2020 by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions or the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency: it and il3contents an: rot to be distributed outside your agency. 3501.483-004 Page 1 of12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00095815 EFTA01249968 ED•302a (Rev. 5.810) 500-NY-3027571 c ontinuation or FD.302 or (U) Interview of .on 08/13/2020 .Thige 2 of 12 They put in touch with thought she first met in the park. told that EPSTEIN was nice, he helps people, and has connections in the modeling world. met on a different day around the subway station at Hunter College, where they walked to EPSTEIN's New York residence at 9 IIII 71st did not remember if had stayed with her and did not recall who answered the door when they arrived. remembered being in the massage room. EPSTEIN came in the room and told to start massaging his feet. EPSTEIN asked questions. did not remember everything that happened the first time she went. thought EPSTEIN paid her but was not sure. stated bits and pieces all melded together. called telling her EPSTEIN really liked her and would like to see her again, so went back. went a couple of times. In 2004, called her and invited her to the island. said she could not go to the island because she had to work to pay her rent. was supposed to be working at was going to receive $50 for two days of work. told that EPSTEIN would pay her rent for a month if she went to the island. was told she would have a photo shoot on the island; recalled this because she had written this down. did not recall if she flew with to the island. Once she arrived on the island, remembered meeting was nervous and was really nice and a calm and easy person. remembered KATHY ALEXANDER and MILES ALEXANDER, who worked on the island. remembered EPSTEIN, and all being on the island with her. did not recall if there was anyone else. did not remember what contact happened with EPSTEIN on the island during this trip. did not recall if it was this first time she went to the island or a different time where EPSTEIN sexually penetrated described "it's all a blur". recalled going to every property EPSTEIN owned, including New York, Palm Beach, Little St. James, New Mexico, and Paris. also recalled EPSTEIN having an apartment in Boston that she had visited. has also been in OHISLAINE MAXWELL's London house. spent years with EPSTEIN. time with EPSTEIN tapered off in approximately 2006/2007. did not recall exactly when EPSTEIN had been involved with the "court stuff" but her time with him went on during that 3501.483-004 Page 2 of 12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00095816 EFTA01249969 FD•302a (Rev. 5.8.10) SOD-NY-3027571 continuation ofFD.302 or (U) Interview of .on 08/13/2020 .Page 3 of 12 time period. In 2009, when EPSTEIN was on work release, traveled to see him. thought there was another time where "they" asked her to help them on Little St James when EPSTEIN was hosting a science convention. had seen MAXWELL's name on notepads. asked who that was. told that MAXWELL used to be EPSTEIN's girlfriend. also told that MAXWELL traveled with them and helped manage EPSTEIN's properties. first met MAXWELL in New Mexico at EPSTEIN's Zorro Ranch. described MAXWELL as seeming to be a badass woman, because she was a helicopter pilot and would share stories, one of which MAXWELL described a robber coming onto the ranch and MAXWELL pretended to have a fake gun and put it to the robber's back. describe as EPSTEIN's right hand woman. was an assistant who did everything for EPSTEIN. described other individuals that she met in EPSTEIN's circle. , who was EPSTEIN's girlfriend who recalled seeing her mainly in Florida, and also on Little St James who was EPSTEIN's other girlfriend in approximately 2006 IGOR ZANOVEV, who was EPSTEIN's trainer ALEX or ALEC, who was another Russian trainer who was friends with flew with DAVE RODGERS, which according to his flight logs showed on approximately 25 flights. also flew with another pilot LARRY VISOSKI. recalled flying every week. remembered traveling more to Palm Beach and the island. While in Palm Beach, waited around for EPSTEIN to tell her what to do. EPSTEIN and old to ask if she needed anything before doing something. recalled a time where EPSTEIN and were upset with her because she took a four-wheeler out on the island without them knowing. Initially, thought EPSTEIN liked her. thought she was EPSTEIN's girlfriend before she realized that she was not his girlfriend. felt like a floater; felt all over the place. EPSTEIN offered to put her on the payroll, so was like an assistant. thought 3501.483-004 Page 3 of 12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00095817 EFTA01249970 FD.302.1(ReV.5.840) 50D—NY-3027571 Continuation olTD•302 or (U) Interview of JM 08/13/2020 ,page 4 of 12 she was put on EPSTEIN's payroll around 2005. Some of responsibilities as an assistant included asking iif she needed help with something, making EPSTEIN sandwiches, and running errands. felt like a "schlepper". Around the end of 2005, started going to MAXWELL's office and helping organize the office and helping with Christmas stuff. would ask EPSTEIN if he wanted to see anyone and at what time he wanted to see someone. It would be underage girls would schedule to see EPSTEIN. This happened every time was in Palm Beach. would schedule either on the plane when they were traveling to Palm Beach or when they arrived. observed one girl come a day. thought she was there because EPSTEIN needed three massages a day. EPSTEIN would say that he needed three orgasms a day; this was something EPSTEIN would say to whoever was around him. If was not giving EPSTEIN a massage, it would have been someone else who had to give him one. Being that massaged EPSTEIN, she understood there to be massages happening in Palm Beach. The massages were sexual. EPSTEIN would tell "you to do something and you just did it". did not hear much about anything occurring in New York. recalled a couple girls' names, including , and remembered name and her face. recalled it seemed like there were people who came with similar names. did not recall having conversations with about massage appointments. felt that she was so embarrassed by the massage situation herself that she did not ask questions. thought did set things up in the massage ro on someone came in, did not know what happened but did know that or would go up to the room to prepare. would ask EPSTEIN who he wanted to see and EPSTEIN would say a name. would tell EPSTEIN a girl would be available at a certain time, then ask EPSTEIN if he wanted to see her. did not recall specific conversations about girls, including and EPSTEIN attempted to have more than two of them at one time. In Palm Beach, EPSTEIN offered to use the steam room. set it up. described as a "free bird" who was comfortable being nude. was 3501.483-004 Page 4 of 12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00095818 EFTA01249971  50D—NY-3027571 c ontinuation or FD.302 or (U) Interview of .On 08/13/2020 .ftv 5 of 12 in a towel and made it seem ok. At some point, EPSTEIN came up and tried to make things seem ok. EPSTEIN made it seem like he was helping for her future boyfriend. EPSTEIN told to touch skin, and said, "That's why a man likes a woman; see how soft the skin is". was topless. EPSTEIN was talking about the curve of back. thought was behind her and touching her. froze. did not remember anything else. was the only one who EPSTEIN tried to get to have a threesome. saw an assage feet, head, and shoulders. did .m not recall if she saw MAXWELL massage. In the Virgin Islands, EPSTEIN had told them to go to sleep. came up to and told her, "Don't tell Ghislaine that I'm sleeping with Jeffrey; she'll kill me and hate me". did not originally think was sleeping with EPSTEIN. "kind of" taught how to massage. would rub EPSTEIN's head. advice was not on sexual matters but rather told not to burp, fart, curse, or drink around EPSTEIN. There was no alcohol on EPSTEIN's properties. If someone was in a bad mood, they would get sent home. could not recall anything specific MAXWELL may have told her. thought EPSTEIN and MAXWELL's relationship was "more than friends". MAXWELL gave instruction on things to do to the staff. Both EPSTEIN and MAXWELL had a "dirty sailor type mouth". recalled MAXWELL saying something about blowjobs. assumed that people knew massages were sexual. No one talked about it, but they knew. thought was a real masseuse, but later found out that she was not. always considered lived in a New York apartment EPSTEIN and MAXWELL put her in this apartment. thought this was around a few months after she met EPSTEIN. MAXWELL told that needed to use MAXWELL's driver and move in that day. was told that at any time she could be told to move out. MAXWELL told , "I don't want your shitty furniture in the 3501.483-004 Page5of12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00095819 EFTA01249972 FD•302a (Rev. 5.810) SOD-NY-3027571 Continuation olTD•302 or (U) Interview of .OF, 08/13/2020 .ruse 6 of 12 apartment". lived in the studio apartment by herself. Other people that also lived at were who was MAXWELL's office assistant, and one of the chefs DAVID MULLEN. stayed on EPSTEIN's payroll until MAXWELL separated from EPSTEIN, then was on MAXWELL's payroll. thought MAXWELL's boyfriend at the time, TED WAITT, paid salary. At this time, all of MAXWELL's assistants had left around December 2007. was the "last man standing". salary was $20,000 in the beginning. While on EPSTEIN's payroll, was an errand runner including gathering food for the plane for trips and getting EPSTEIN whatever he needed. MAXWELL wanted to pick up clothes. salary was $60,000 when MAXWELL "got rid" of her; this was around October 2017. In Palm Beach, did not remember the schedule or times of massages, as she did not see a lot. Sometimes, was sent out to run an errand or to go for a run. EPSTEIN always wanted 4 o'clock massages. knew of other people giving massages but could not recall all of the female names. heard names of people they would talk about or set up times for them. remembered seeing a couple younger females. saw them come into the kitchen and saw them stand there before going upstairs. The females looked young but did not ask. thought the females were her age or younger. or would say that someone would be at the house at a specific time. There were no further conversations about it. did not tell anyone she met EPSTEIN through a massage. did not want people to ask questions. They just said that EPSTEIN was getting a massage. EPSTEIN did not have massage appointments with men. When asked about EPSTEIN's preferences, said "younger". EPSTEIN teased about being younger than her. talked about a time where it was just she and EPSTEIN when he told her the reason he liked younger girls. EPSTEIN told that up until the age of 23 the brain is still forming so the brain is moldable. EPSTEIN was very open about this. was present when EPSTEIN talked about his preferences. EPSTEIN said it all the time. EPSTEIN joked with because she became older as she wa years old at the time. EPSTEIN made comments about younger females. EPSTEIN's favorite book was "Lolita". EPSTEIN made comments about teenage years, but did not realize that meant girls. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN would make stuff a joke and they would laugh. could not remember 3501.483-004 Page6of12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00095820 EFTA01249973 II).302.1(Rev. 5.8.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD.302 (U) Interview of ,On 08/13/2020 .page 7 of 12 anything specifically. advised if MAXWELL was there and EPSTEIN said something about younger females, MAXWELL would probably joke back about EPSTEIN liking younger women. The first time had a hint that something was wrong was on EPSTEIN's plane. remembered seeing frantic. They ended up flying somewhere different than originally planned. thought they were in Miami but she did not remember specifically. thought EPSTEIN and started talking about the investigation, but they did not talk in front of her. asked if she met someone, whose name could not recall, but was one of the younger females. did not meet people in Palm Beach. did not remember EPSTEIN specifically talking about the investigation. and EPSTEIN told she needed to go to thought told her someone would be serving her papers at her apartment in , so should not be there to be served. was so scared because she had no idea what was going on. thought she was going to get in trouble for prostitution. booked a flight to to see her boyfriend. MAXWELL called , asking where she was, and tellin her that she needed to come back right then. told MAXWELL that had told her she could not stay at her New York apartment. MAXWELL told that she did not care. had flown to New York to get her visa and yelled at her, saying, "I told you not to go to New York". was terrified and in Central Park with her suitcase. thought there were investigators that did not want her to talk with. found out at some point that the investigation was about underage girls, but did not recall how she found out. thought the investigators may have been from the Palm Beach Police Department, but when thought of investigators, she thought of the FBI. thought there was someone serving papers at had told to leave through the back door. overheard and EPSTEIN on the plane talking about being visited by investigators. Knowing what knows now, thought told EPSTEIN that someone was asking questions. took the next flight back from and went back to MAXWELL's office. went back to was not approached by investigators. di not reca I talking about the investigation. EPSTEIN went off on in approximately 2006. thought EPSTEIN 3501.483-004 Page 7 of 12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00095821 EFTA01249974 FD•302a (Rev. 5.810) SOD-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD•302 or (U) Interview of .On 08/13/2020 .Paso 8 of 12 was going to beat her or kill her. EPSTEIN's hands were on the door frame and his knuckles were white with spit coming out of his mouth. EPSTEIN's face looked like it was going to explode. was in a ball on the floor when MAXWELL came down and told her to get up. felt safe around MAXWELL at that time and wanted to work for her. was at a London restaurant with EPSTEIN when she asked to go to the bathroom and called her boyfriend. was going to to see her boyfriend. EPSTEIN thought she disrespected him by calling her boyfriend. EPSTEIN had asked RON BURKLE to buy him a coke. EPSTEIN then came out and yelled at wanted to work for MAXWELL so she still had a job. This was around December 2007. Sometimes, EPSTEIN still wanted to see her. MAXWELL would tell that EPSTEIN wanted to see her. This was at least a handful of times. MAXWELL told "I told him it's ok with me if it's ok with you" when referring to EPSTEIN seeing . It was ok for to leave the office while working to go and see EPSTEIN. could not say no. would see EPSTEIN at his New York residence generally in the massage room. There was one time where went to the doctor's office with EPSTEIN. When saw EPSTEIN, it was sexual encounters. did not have conversations with MAXWELL about what happened when she went to see EPSTEIN. felt that it was common knowledge that MAXWELL knew. felt that this was separate from the responsibilities she had for MAXWELL. EPSTEIN gave cash afterwards, but when was no longer on his payroll she did not think EPSTEIN gave her cash. MAXWELL tried to separate herself from EPSTEIN. Up to that point it was always EPSTEIN's people and accountants who did things for MAXWELL. Then it switched to WAITT's people. understood it to be that MAXWELL wanted to distance herself from EPSTEIN. MAXWELL would hide it when she saw EPSTEIN. There was one time where thought MAXWELL was traveling with WAITT but had gone to EPSTEIN's island instead. Back when EPSTEIN first went to jail, was kind of relieved. When EPSTEIN was on work release, MAXWELL told her that help was needed in the office answering phones. went to Florida and saw EPSTEIN when 3501.483-004 Page 8 of 12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00095822 EFTA01249975 FEO02“Rm.544% 50D-NY-3027571 ConlinualionaFD.302or (U) Interview of .On 08/13/2020 ,page 9 of 12 he was on work release. remembered having to sign in with a plain clothed sheriff. thought it was or also present, then said that it would not have been recalled made the bed. remembered thinking "at that point it was like fuck". Everyone had left and the sheriff was gone. This happened a couple times. There was one time when was there and EPSTEIN again tried to get to have a threesome with them. recalled that the sexual encounters happened at least twice. recalled a time where folded out the sofa and put the sheet down. The other time would have been when was there. went back to New York to work for MAXWELL. thought EPSTEIN had asked her to go to the movies with him. EPSTEIN was nice to sometimes. It was like a "teeter totter" with EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN tried a couple times after he was released to see The last time saw EPSTEIN was in or around 2012 in the Virgin Islands when EPSTEIN was hosting a science convention. When EPSTEIN tried to turn it sexual, shut down. EPSTEIN stopped and did not talk to her for the rest of the trip. thought it was approximately three days. EPSTEIN gave an iPad on her birthday. EPSTEIN also gave money. started on MAXWELL's payroll in approximately was MAXWELL's assistant. was responsible for MAkrua,k•s casenua and setting up travel. MAXWELL hung on with EPSTEIN to pay her for as long as possible before moving to WAITT's payroll. stayed on MAXWELL's payroll until around described that MAXWELL could be charming but also have a two year old tantrum in a grown adult body. recalled a time drinking wine with MAXWELL when MAXWELL told her, "When you walk into a room people don't know you're there", then MAXWELL would go back to talking about herself. described her relationship with MAXWELL as being a love/hate relationship. husband would tell her that if she did not like working for MAXWELL to leave. felt that working for MAXWELL was her only option as she did not go to school or feel like she had other skills. Some of responsibilities included keeping track of MAXWELL's 3501.483-004 Page 9 of 12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00095823 EFTA01249976 II).302.1(Rev. 5.8.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD•302o1 (U) Interview of .On 08/13/2020 ,prase 10 of 12 calendar, her travels, and helping with interior decorating. When MAXWELL's houseman left, became responsible for house repairs, including changing the hot water filters, carrying the ladder, fixing faucets, etc. MAXWELL had "God awful dogs" that went to the bathroom everywhere so had to clean up after them. The dogs were show dogs so also had to manage their schedule. asked MAXWELL how she made her money and MAXWELL told her from the stock market. knew MAXWELL's bank accounts and knew that she switched her accounts and moved money to SCOTT BORGERSON. MAXWELL moved money during the defamation suit with . MAXWELL said was a liar. MAXWELL was super stressed and awful to . MAXWELL told said she had sex with me". thou ht MAXWELL was trying to fish for information. had never met was served a subpoena. When she told MAXWELL, MAXWELL got a lawyer. MAXWELL told she did not remember the stuff about could tell MAXWELL knew because MAXWELL deflects. could tell from MAXWELL's body movements and could tell that MAXWELL was feeling threatened. recalled EPSTEIN saying he sent someone to Thailand, but did not think EPSTEIN said name when referring to who he sent. MAXWELL transferred money to BORGERSON's name. There were rental apartments in Boston. MAXWELL was paying for that year up front. worked from home and occasionally went to Manchester when MAXWELL and BORGERSON bought the house there. thought it was MAXWELL's money and MAXWELL and BORGERSON's house together. MAXWELL was getting new accountants. MAXWELL and BORGERSON bought an apartment in Boston; had not been to that apartment. When asked if knew about MAXWELL being married, responded "it has to be Scott". MAXWELL spoke about getting married. thought MAXWELL may have gotten married in Holland or somewhere in that area where there would be no public record of it. MAXWELL never told did see in an email where BORGERSON referred to MAXWELL as "Mrs. Borgerson". WAITT nor EPSTEIN wanted to marry MAXWELL. MAXWELL is a private person and the media was relentless. MAXWELL fired MAXWELL made it clear that she had to be number 3501.483-004 Page 10 of 12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00095824 EFTA01249977 FD.302.1(Rev.5.840) SOD—NY-3027571 confirm:stimuli:D.302a (U) Interview of .On 08/13/2020 .Paso 11 of 12 one. MAXWELL called and heard the baby crying, telling "shut that baby up". nd MAXWELL told her she MAXWELL gave the note to BORGERSON. When o check her calendar, she saw an email MAXWELL sent to BORGERSON with in which MAXWELL said it was the answer to all of "fuck ups". MAXWELL found blame in everything did. recalled a hotel switched computer systems and lost a reservation for MAXWELL. When told MAXWELL that it was ok and worked out, MAXWELL asked "oh you didn't find cheaper". MAXWELL was paying a lot in legal fees, while also paying for her nephew's school, so was fired. KATIE VON EDWARDS was MAXWELL's London assistant. MAXWELL had VON EDWARDS call to smooth things over. When was asked if anyone told her to lie or cover up, she said "no". When was not around, IIII would schedule massages for EPSTEIN. was told that MAXWELL approached both and min Palm Beach asking them if they wanted to answer phones. had to do what EPSTEIN and MAXWELL said because she did not want to piss them off or get fired. introduced a roommate she had in New York. brought who lived in Palm Beach, to meet EPSTEIN. found out online that he had touched her breasts. also had a friend who was pregnant and introduced her to EPSTEIN in Boston, but not for a massage. In or around 2005, was with EPSTEIN and MAXWELL on Zorro Ranch. They had gone to an outdoor market when MAXWELL lifted skirt multiple times. MAXWELL was laughing while was mortified and uncomfortable. MAXWELL talked about sex all the time. MAXWELL would talk about sex in general conversations. When was asked if MAXWELL made sexual comments about EPSTEIN, replied "I'm sure she did". 3501.483-004 Page 11 of 12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00095825 EFTA01249978 F1).3(12.1(Rev.5.84(1) SOD-NY-3027571 cominaalion"ffD•3o2of (U) Interview of .On 08/13/2020 .Page 12 of 12 asked her friend who had introduced her to EPSTEIN if she would be willing to speak with law enforcement, and her friend will not talk. friend was friend and MAXWELL were on treadmills when MAXWELL said that she should stay in New York. After was no longer on MAXWELL's payroll, she had to help clear out a storage unit and sort out accounts. MAXWELL sometimes emailed and would respond. On Memorial Day in 2020, MAXWELL called saying, "I'm just calling to tell you I'm alive". MAXWELL was being her charming self. MAXWELL told she was learning boxing and could "punch a nose on a bee". MAXWELL asked what she was doing but MAXWELL did not care as she was just making small talk. MAXWELL has an AMEX account. MAXWELL used social security number to add a card to MAXWELL's account. learned of this when she was trying to open a new utility account in and she was asked what address she had in Massachusetts. trace it to a UPS address in Boston. called MAXWELL to confront her. MAXWELL told that there was something wrong with her credit. told AMEX that she thought it was her boss. On the card MAXWELL opened was "G MAXWELL". While MAXWELL was in Massachusetts, she went by a different name. "JENNIFER TURNER" was MAXWELL's name of choice. Sometimes MAXWELL used "G Max". Sometimes MAXWELL would go into a store and give name. spoke to MAXWELL after EPSTEIN's arrest in 2019 and also after his death. MAXWELL had called . After EPSTEIN's arrest, MAXWELL told that she hated EPSTEIN. MAXWELL called and stated, "you wereilliwhen you met Jeffrey...oh well I'm sorry whatever you did". knew MAXWELL did not mean it because it was just something she said. thought MAXWELL was running from the media. changed her number because she was receiving calls nonstop. did not know where MAXWELL was. 3501.483-004 Page 12 of 12 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00095826 EFTA01249979