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From: Bob Berwick Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 6:15 PM To: Jeffrey E. Subject: Re: Yes... Great thin= you are doing for Marvin! DARPA used to be filled with princes of science 3= years ago. No longer I fear. Perhaps some day I'll do 5% o= what these people have done. On Sep 5, 2015, a= 12:49 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» wrote: worse, danny kahnemans work woudl suggest tha= positive sentiment is expressed once you are already the owner. = not predictive of future, so that if you own china , you speak=highly of it. and then when they devalue everyone is caught wit= their pants down. re the chomsky challen=e I will fund. and my only role is to stimulate con=ersation amongst you and your colleagues how best to stimulate the sc=ence. On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Bob Berwick <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Hah. All lineages go extinct. One interestin= thing that Steve Gould noted was that this takes about the same time for a=l vertebrates.... For fads too. On Sep 5, 201=, at 12:16 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» wrote: it will " evolve" ::)) On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 a= 12:11 PM, Bob Berwick > wrote: = oc cquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 .8ex;border-left:lpx=#ccc solid;padding- left:lex"> Jeffrey So your view is that the social media jazz is a fad that will fizzle a=c1fade fairly soon, no? Bob On Sep 5, 2015, at 11:0= AM, jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» wrote: EFTA_R1_01609813 EFTA02489385  i will spend all the time you like teaching you ab=ut investing and the markets. simpler than it appea=s.. I would like chomsky to follow in the footsteps=nbsp; of hibert, turing , and encourage work in their fiels by p=esenting goals to the disciples. On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Bob Berwick =MMIMME > wrote: <=iv style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Jeffrey, Ah very co=l. So let me try a few out. I guess it partly (! of course!) depends on how much we get to stick into=the box. I'm fine with prize money, mostly because as you=know from Marvin, there's no way to get funding for 40=9Creal" problems like these or those that Marvin studies, So I'd be overjoyed to get some way to fund new stude=ts.... Challenge 1. Discriminat=ng language from noise. This is doable. Partha Niyogi nearl= did it. A six-month effort. Challenge=2. Ah, depends on the sentences and what 'coherent' m=ans. Does Noam mean 'screwed up in some way'?&nbs=; We're not so far from that. Further than 1. That s=stem I showed you that can isolate difft factors in *syntax* as a=small set of constraints can do some of that. Recall Shimon Ullma='s 'rigidity principle' about the interpretation of=points moving in the visual field - same coherence idea. Challenges 3 and 4 are much harder, we'd have to kn=w more about 'meaning' and 'inference'. I wouldn't be happy with statistical curve fitting here. Finally - though I will drop this, because your time is=too valuable and the problems you and Noam pose are the important=ones, to me — what was your estimate of how much that twi=ter-in-love entrepeneur would have lost if he did honestly follow his twitt=r- predictor during the first week of this month? I guess I a= still baffled about the "market" for their product unless<=div> it's as you say, the market for the new, shiny toys - whic= is just about salesmanship, not science. Anyway, I'=1 drop it - I was just curious as why/how *any* of that social media stuff<=div> 2 EFTA_R1_01609814 EFTA02489386  would work. I suppose they will say that they have 300 M use=s, not *all* of them will be lying... and one can sort the l=ars from the non-liars....but so what? best w=shes bob On Sep 5, 2015, at 8:20 AM, jeffrey E. <=jeevacation@gmai=.com <mailto:[email protected]» wrote: noam, as always , =spending time . was great/ first draft. of th= Chomsky Challenge. . Produce a non- living s=stem that can be put into an environment for a while and&=bsp; --- 1 . be able to discriminate language from n=ise. . prize . a 1dollar bill signed by Noam=nbsp; and 100k. . 2. be able to discriminate crherent sentences from non ( we provide 10 test sentences=nbsp; ). prize a 10 dollar signed Chomsky bill , an= 500k. 3. a language learning module. 20 dollar bill sign=d and 1 million, 4. a sense making module that can understand meaning=inference. . etc. the non recommendation recommenda=ion. . ie the student h=s a nice family. etc. a 100 dollar signed bill and 10 million d=llars. ? If your left leaning , is in conflict with a money=prize , we could substitute =---your prize=nbsp; money goes to charity,- airline tickets to th= Gaza strip. - Nicaragua, North Korea, . and 1000 blank ,protest placards ?=nbsp; or top prize includes 1000 protesters of your choic= for three demonstrations :) ..= please=note The information contained in this communication is confiden=ial, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside informatio=, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property o= TEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication=or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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