Re: Obaam among seniors

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Coyle runs the labor retirees org. The other player is Barabara Kennelly at the National Council to Save Social Security. On 1/8/08, Begala, Paul <[email protected]> wrote: > > What's the labor-affiliated seniors group? Rich Fiesta used to run it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew Baumann <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Begala, Paul > Cc: Susan McCue <[email protected]>; ic2008 <[email protected]>; Ana > Iparraguirre <[email protected]>; Bryan Fisher <[email protected]>; John > Podesta <[email protected]>; Kristi Fuksa <[email protected]>; Stan > Greenberg <[email protected]>; Tara McGuinness < > [email protected]> > Sent: Tue Jan 08 10:16:11 2008 > Subject: RE: Obaam among seniors > > USA (United Seniors Association) is a pretty well-funded > pro-privatization, pro-prescription drug bill astroturf group I think. Big > front for PhRMA > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Tom Matzzie > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:12 AM > To: Begala, Paul > Cc: Susan McCue; Andrew Baumann; ic2008; Ana Iparraguirre; Bryan Fisher; > John Podesta; Kristi Fuksa; Stan Greenberg; Tara McGuinness > Subject: Re: Obaam among seniors > > > > FWIW, United Seniors (slightly different) is an extant seniors group--I > think part of the Richard Viguerie world of direct mail outfits. > > On Jan 7, 2008 10:15 PM, Begala, Paul < [email protected] < > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>> > wrote: > > I suspect McCain will do better among seniors than any of the other Repubs > we've tested. So, yes, Susan, your idea of a Seniors United is an excellent > one. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Susan McCue [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:38 PM > To: Andrew Baumann; ic2008; Ana Iparraguirre; Bryan Fisher; John Podesta; > Kristi Fuksa; Begala, Paul; Stan Greenberg; Tara McGuinness; Tom Matzzie > Subject: RE: Obaam among seniors > > Tara and I talked today about starting a seniors surrogate group. Maybe > "seniors united" as a branch of AU? > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Andrew Baumann [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:50 AM > To: ic2008; Ana Iparraguirre; Bryan Fisher; John Podesta; Kristi Fuksa; > Paul Begala; Stan Greenberg; Susan McCue; Tara McGuinness; Tom Matzzie > Subject: Obaam among seniors > > > > Some notes on Obama's standing with seniors. As noted, he does more > poorly among this around in all 3 match-ups, especially against Giuliani. > We have some very good attacks among seniors for Romney, and our strong > attacks on Huckabee are still strong among seniors. This is not the face > for Giuliani as our attacks on him do not score well among seniors. If > Giuliani somehow ends up as the nominee, this will be a concern. > > > > > > Giuliani: > > > > Overall: 49-42 (initial) to 45-40 (final). Shift of -2. > > Seniors: 35-52 (initial) to 27-49 (final). Shift of -5 > > > Obama does very poorly against Giuliani among seniors and he continues to > lose ground through the debate. This is partially due to the lack of > effectiveness of our attacks among this group. > > > > Pushing Kerik as DHS secretary pops a bit among this group in the list of > negative facts, toping the list along with Rudy covering up the expenses of > his Hamptons affair. In the doubt battery none of our attacks score as well > among seniors as they did overall. The top attack is on Giuliani's ethics, > but it only scores a 26% very serious, 54% total serious score. Attacks > tying him to Bush are second, scoring 26% very serious, 51% total serious. > Again, slightly worse than among the overall population. > > > > Romney: > > > > Overall: 48-39 (initial) to 46-39 (final). No real shift. > > Seniors: 38-45 (initial) to 35-39 (final). Shift of +3. > > > > So the situation is not as dire against Romney and Obama actually improves > among seniors against him. This is probably because our attacks on Romney > resonate strongly with seniors. In fact, when we read them the list of > negative facts 15% of seniors select "all" of them. > > > > Tying Romney to Bush on Iraq is the top choice among this group. 41% say > this raises very serious doubt with a total of 58% saying it raises serious > doubts. This is higher than among the overall population. Romney being out > of touch on economic issues also scores well among seniors with 39% saying > it raises very serious doubts and a total of 69% saying it raises serious > doubts. In the follow up question Bush and Iraq popped and was the clear > choice with 22% citing this choice. > > > > Huckabee: > > > > Overall: 47-42 (initial) to 45-39 (final). Shift of +1. > > Seniors: 39-44 (initial) to 32-40 (final). Shift of -3. > > > > The Huckabee attacks perform at about the same rate among seniors that > they do among the overall population. In the list of negative facts his > abortion extremism is the top choice. On the doubts, ethics/judgment (which > includes the rapist) is tops at 39 percent very serious, 70 percent total > serious – about the same as the overall population. His extremism is next > at 37% very serious, 61% total serious. Again, about the same as the > overall population). > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Baumann > > Analyst > > > > 10 G Street NE, Suite 500, Washington, DC 20002 > > Phone: 202 478 8300 / Fax: 202 478 8301 > > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>> > > www.greenbergresearch.com <http://www.greenbergresearch.com> > > > > > > > > > > > >