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From: Deepak Chopra Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 9:41 AM To: Jeffrey E. Subject: Re: Sensory Apparatus / Language Awareness = consciousness There is liver cell Humans made up the word and gave a name to a mode of knowing experience =nd behavior There is no Jeffrey or deepak either . These are all symbols --and human=constructs for reality --which is nameless formless spaceless timeless. Ev=ryone is bamboozled by the superstition of matter. Its a convincing halluc=nation so everyone should forgiven See you soon Chopra Foundat=on <http://www.choprafoundation.org> <http://www.choprafoundation.org> </=iv> Jiyo <http://www.jiyo.com> <http://=iyo.com> <=a> <http://jiyo.com> Chopra Center for Wellbe=ng <http://www.chopra.com> <http://chopra.com> <http:=/chopra.com> <http://www.jiyo.com> =br> discoveringyourcosmicself.=om <http://=ww.discoveringyourcosmicself.com> <=span> From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:09:10 PM To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: Sensory Apparatus / Language you are the same as a liver cell . a com=lex system aware of its surrounding and takes actions in response to=its enviromnet and internal state. after taking measurements. &=bsp; . the liver cell is aware. it might als= fool itself into thinking it is conscious. . . ssee you soon EFTA_R1_01329991 EFTA02351597 On Thu Mar 1 7 10:47 P Deepak Chopra =span dir="ltr") > wrote: Thanks Donald ! Deepak Chopra MD =hopra Foundation <http://www.choprafoundat=on.org/> Jiyo <http://www.jiyo.com/> Chopra Cen=er for Wellbeing <http://www.chopra.com/> <https://www.discoveringyo=rcosmicself.com/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/> =/p> <http:=/www.discoveringyourcosmicself.comh <=p> 2 EFTA_R1_01329992 EFTA02351598  On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:43 PM, DONALD HOFFMAN C > wrote: Yes, I agree that the spacetime universe is a human construct. It is n=t the fundamental reality. Physicists are now recognizing this. They say, =93Spacetime is doomed," meaning it is not the fundamental reality that t=ey had hoped it would be. They don't know what is the fundamental reality, and are searching for it. But they d=n't want to take seriously the idea that consciousness might be the fund=mental reality. I saw this first hand when I participated in the FQXi conf=rence in Banff last summer, where physicists and cosmologists met to grapple with the fundamental nature of =eality. Chalmers was there too, and spoke about consciousness. On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Deepak Chopra wrote:<=div> Agree Thanks However the space time universe is a human construct - linguistically =peaking - language used by humans to describe knowing and experience / per=eptions in awareness ? Deepak Chopra MD Chopra C=nter for Wellbeing chttp://www.choprafound=tion.org/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> &I=;image001.png> chttps://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> <http://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/= target=> 3 EFTA_R1_01329993 EFTA02351599  On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:20 PM, DONALD HOFFMAN st >> wrote: Dear Deepak, Yes, I would say that the sensory appar=tus and brain are species-specific icons. My entire body is just an icon. =hen I move my hand and grab something, even that movement is just an icon.=l don't know what I am really doing in objective reality—I only know my own actions under the limits of=the descriptions available within my interface. Genes, animals, speci=s, and even spacetime itself are just icons. The evolutionary arguments against true=nbsp;perceptions do not hold against true logic and math, since we do=need to reason about fitness payoffs—two bites of an apple give rou=hly twice the payoff as one bite, for instance. There are no selection pressures to be geniuses at math and logic, and few of us=are. But we need to have enough competence to get the payoffs we need. I wouldn't say that the spa=etime universe is itself a conscious agent, but that it is the format=of the interface of human conscious agents. I am working on a mathematical theory&n=sp;of how conscious agents evolve languages to better understand each=other. It seems that they can get more information about each other withou= violating the second law of thermodynamics, if they hillclimb mutual information. Fun research ahead on this one!=/span> Love, Don On Mar 16, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Deepak Chopra < > wrote:<=div> Dear Don Would you say that the sensory apparatus and brain - eyes ears other s=nses are species specific icons ( symbols ) for modes of knowing and exper=ence - seeing hearing thinking feeling imagining etc Also it seems to me that humans by giving names to modes of knowing an= experience ( perception ) have created the universe as a human construct = Everything from a quark to a boson to a galaxy is a name or description b=stowed by humans to a mode of knowing or experience in awareness . This holds true for what we call a body mind =enes other animals and species 4 EFTA_R1_01329994 EFTA02351600  Taxonomy is symbol making for knowing and experience . Do we know anything about the origin of symbolic language including ma=hematics ? What does evolution say ? The entire universe is our construct - a spe=ies of consciousness - what you call a conscious agent Love Deepak Chopra MD Chopra C=nter for Wellbeing chttp://www.choprafound=tion.org/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> &I=.;image001.png> chttps://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> chttp://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/= target=> please note 5 EFTA_R1_01329995 EFTA02351601 The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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