Re: one chain on DOMA

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do we actually have to do here? I'm not sure a statement will help us. Do we need to response to the Huffington Post? Is that the main request? On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Amanda Renteria < [email protected]> wrote: > What about broadening the perspectives at that time? > Acknowledging there were a lot of diff views vs she was wrong. ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Tony Carrk <[email protected]> wrote: > > And also for awareness for everyone to have, attached are HRC’s comments > on DOMA Carter from my team put together. > > > > *From:* Dan Schwerin [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Sunday, October 25, 2015 6:56 PM > *To:* Amanda Renteria <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Dominic Lowell <[email protected]>; Karen Finney < > [email protected]>; Maya Harris <[email protected]>; > Heather Stone <[email protected]>; Robby Mook < > [email protected]>; Jake Sullivan <[email protected]>; > Jennifer Palmieri <[email protected]>; Brian Fallon < > [email protected]>; Kristina Schake <[email protected]>; > Marlon Marshall <[email protected]>; Tony Carrk < > [email protected]>; Brynne Craig <[email protected]>; > Sally Marx <[email protected]>; Teddy Goff < > [email protected]>; John Podesta <[email protected]>; > Christina Reynolds <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: one chain on DOMA > > > > I think everyone agrees we shouldn't restate her argument. Question is > whether she's going to agree to explicitly disavow it. And I doubt it. > > > > > On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Amanda Renteria <[email protected]> > wrote: > > There is no way we have friends to back us up on her interpretation. This > is a major problem if we revisit her argument like this. It's better to do > nothing than to re-state this although she is going to get a question > again. > > > > Working w Dominic now. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Dan Schwerin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I'm not saying double down or ever say it again. I'm just saying that > she's not going to want to say she was wrong about that, given she and her > husband believe it and have repeated it many times. Better to reiterate > evolution, opposition to DOMA when court considered it, and forward looking > stance. > > > > > On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Dominic Lowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Jumping on a call with the kitchen cabinet now to give them an update. > Will turn to this ASAP. > > > > The most recent Blade article has Elizabeth Birch quoted as saying there > was no amendment threat in 1996. Hilary Rosen has already tweeted the same. > I'll ask on the call, but my sense is that there aren't many friends who > will back us up on the point. That's why I'm urging us to back off as much > as we can there. > > > > More soon. > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Dan Schwerin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I'd welcome specific edits. I'm fine not mentioning WJC if that's > problematic, but my two cents is that you're not going to get her to > disavow her explanation about the constitutional amendment and this > exercise will be most effective if it provides some context and then goes > on offense. > > > > > On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Karen Finney <[email protected]> > wrote: > > If the criticism is that she has said before and reiterated on Friday then > hit by Bernie yesterday is t that the context? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Dominic Lowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Sorry, on phone so focused more on overall thoughts than line edits. Can > call you directly if any of this is unclear. Sending to all so people can > react, push back, etc. > > > > I originally flagged HRC's Maddow remarks as potentially problematic in > part because her wording closely linked her to two unfavorable policies of > the past even as no one in the community was asking her to "own" them. > Given that, my recommendation would be to make this statement about just > her, her evolution, and her record -- not bring in WJC. > > > > Relatedly, if we release a statement tonight, it will very clearly be in > response to the Maddow interview. To the extent we can, I advocate for > owning that so that we can clean this up completely, rightly position her > as a champion of LGBT issues, and make sure we move on from any discussion > of looming amendments or her being involved in passing either DADT or DOMA. > Without getting into the weeds, can we say that the broader point is that > the country is in a different place now on LGBT issues -- and thank > goodness it is -- and that she's so happy each policy has been placed in > the dustbin of history? > > > > Last thought: I have raised this a few times to a smaller number of people > on this thread but will flag this for the larger group as well. At Keene > State College, she specifically cited friends playing a part in her > evolution, which we echo here. That's fine, IMO, and quite believable. But > if I were a reporter and wanted to keep the evolution story alive, I would > start asking which friends she was talking to and ask us to provide them. > Not a problem per se, but I think it is worth flagging now so we aren't > caught by surprise later. > > > > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Dan Schwerin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > This is a little long, but see what you think. Tried to 1) place this in a > context of 'asked and answered,' 2) point to how they've both forthrightly > explained their evolution, 3) cite her positive LGBT record, 4) get in a > little dig at Sanders for being so backwards looking. > > > > STATEMENT > > > > In 2013, when the Supreme Court was considering whether to uphold the > Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), Bill and I explained publicly how and why > we became strong supporters of marriage equality. Bill, who signed DOMA > nearly twenty years ago after an overwhelming vote in Congress, called the > law a discriminatory vestige of a less tolerant America and urged the Court > to strike it down. I added my voice in support of marriage equality > “personally and as a matter of policy and law.” As I said then, LGBT > Americans are full and equal citizens and they deserve the full and equal > rights of citizenship. Like so many others, my personal views have been > shaped over time by people I have known and loved, by my experience > representing our nation on the world stage, my devotion to law and human > rights, and the guiding principles of my faith. That’s why, as a Senator, > I pushed for laws that would extend protections to the LGBT community in > the workplace and that would make violence towards LGBT individuals a hate > crime. And as Secretary of State, I put LGBT rights on the global agenda > and told the world that “gay rights are human rights and human rights are > gay rights.” In my speech last night in Iowa, I didn’t look back to the > America of the past, I looked forward to the America we need to build > together. I pledged to fight for LGBT Americans who, despite all our > progress, in many places can still get married on Saturday and fired on > Monday just because of who they are and who they love. In this campaign > and as President, I will keep fighting for equality and opportunity for > every American. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Dominic Lowell < > [email protected]> wrote: > > +Amanda's work account. > > > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Maya Harris <[email protected]> > wrote: > > From Richard: > > > > Since I was asked on Friday about the Defense of Marriage Act in an > interview on MSNBC, I've checked with people who were involved then to make > sure I had all my facts right. It turns out I was mistaken and the effort > to pass a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage came some > years later. The larger point I was trying to make about DOMA, however, is > still true. It was neither proposed nor supported by anyone in the Clinton > administration at the time. It was an effort by the Republicans in Congress > to distract attention from the real issues facing the country by using gay > marriage, which had very little support then, as a wedge issue in the > election. The legislation passed by overwhelming veto-proof margins in both > houses of Congress and President Clinton signed it with serious > reservations he expressed at the time. Luckily the country has evolved way > beyond this in the last 20 years and most Americans, including the Supreme > Court, now embrace LGBT equality. We are a better country for it. Although > there is much work that remains, and I'm eager to help advance the day when > we are all truly equal. > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Dominic Lowell < > [email protected]> wrote: > > + JP's personal email > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Dominic Lowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Here is what Gautam put together to be helpful: > > > > "I'm not my husband. I understand why he believed that was the right thing > to do at the time, but obviously I wish it had gone differently. Look, > we've all come along way since the 90s and I'm proud to have been a part of > an Administration that has made it possible for gay troops to serve openly > and loving gay couples to get married. I'm also proud of MY record as > Secretary of State. I think the community knows I will be the ally they > deserve." > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Dan Schwerin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > This WJC op-Ed may be helpful: > > > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bill-clinton-its-time-to-overturn-doma/2013/03/07/fc184408-8747-11e2-98a3-b3db6b9ac586_story.html > > > Bill Clinton: It’s time to overturn DOMA > > *The writer is the 42nd president of the United States.* > > *I*n 1996, I signed the Defense of Marriage Act. Although that was only > 17 years ago, it was a very different time. In no state in the union was > same-sex marriage recognized, much less available as a legal right, but > some were moving in that direction. Washington, as a result, was swirling > with all manner of possible responses, some quite draconian. As a > bipartisan group of former senators stated in their March 1 amicus brief to > the Supreme Court, many supporters of the bill known as DOMA believed that > its passage “would defuse a movement to enact a constitutional amendment > banning gay marriage, which would have ended the debate for a generation or > more.” It was under these circumstances that DOMA came to my desk, opposed > by only 81 of the 535 members of Congress. > > On March 27, DOMA will come before the Supreme Court > <http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2012/12/07/the-supreme-court-takes-up-doma/>, > and the justices must decide whether it is consistent with the principles > of a nation that honors freedom, equality and justice above all, and is > therefore constitutional. As the president who signed the act into law, I > have come to believe that DOMA is contrary to those principles and, in > fact, incompatible with our Constitution. > > Because Section 3 of the act defines marriage as being between a man and a > woman, same-sex couples who are legally married in nine states and the > District of Columbia are denied the benefits of more than a thousand > federal statutes and programs available to other married couples. Among > other things, these couples cannot file their taxes jointly, take unpaid > leave to care for a sick or injured spouse or receive equal family health > and pension benefits as federal civilian employees. Yet they pay taxes, > contribute to their communities and, like all couples, aspire to live in > committed, loving relationships, recognized and respected by our laws. > > When I signed the bill, I included a statement > <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/scotts/ftp/wpaf2mc/clinton.html> with > the admonition that “enactment of this legislation should not, despite the > fierce and at times divisive rhetoric surrounding it, be understood to > provide an excuse for discrimination.” Reading those words today, I know > now that, even worse than providing an excuse for discrimination, the law > is itself discriminatory. It should be overturned. > > We are still a young country, and many of our landmark civil rights > decisions are fresh enough that the voices of their champions still echo, > even as the world that preceded them becomes less and less familiar. We > have yet to celebrate the centennial of the 19th Amendment, but a society > that denied women the vote would seem to us now not unusual or > old-fashioned but alien. I believe that in 2013 DOMA and opposition to > marriage equality are vestiges of just such an unfamiliar society. > > Americans have been at this sort of a crossroads often enough to recognize > the right path. We understand that, while our laws may at times lag behind > our best natures, in the end they catch up to our core values. One hundred > fifty years ago, in the midst of the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln > concluded a message to Congress by posing the very question we face today: > “It is not ‘Can any of us imagine better?’ but ‘Can we all do better > <http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29503>?’ ” > > The answer is of course and always yes. In that spirit, I join with the > Obama administration, the petitioner Edith Windsor > <http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/edie-windsors-fight-for-same-sex-marriage-rights-continues-even-after-partners-death/2012/07/19/gJQARguhwW_story.html>, > and the many other dedicated men and women who have engaged in this > struggle for decades in urging the Supreme Court to overturn the Defense of > Marriage Act. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Kate Offerdahl <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi all - we are going to do 4:30. > > > > Those here at the Hilton can take the call from the staff room. > > > > Call-In: 718-441-3763, no pin > > > On Oct 25, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Heather Stone <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Looping in Kate. She is going to get it scheduled. > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Dominic Lowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > All times are good for me. > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Heather Stone <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Sounds like tony can do 4:15? Can others? If not I could do anytime > before 5:15 or after 6. > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Robby Mook <[email protected]> wrote: > > Adding Dominic. > > Agree--let's get our people on a call and push back > > I'm also tied up for next few hours @ finance stuff. But let's get this > moving. > > > On Oct 25, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Jake Sullivan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Adding Tony, who recalls this from ’08 when she made a similar argument. > We did not turn up much to support idea that alternative was a > constitutional amendment. > > > > Also adding Schwerin. I think we should pull her statements around the > time she embraced marriage equality and place greatest emphasis on the fact > that she fully acknowledges that she evolved. > > > > I’m on calls next two hours but Maya has my proxy. > > > > *From:* Jennifer Palmieri [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] > *Sent:* Sunday, October 25, 2015 3:46 PM > *To:* Brian Fallon <[email protected]>; John Podesta < > [email protected]>; Robby Mook <[email protected]>; Kristina > Schake <[email protected]>; Maya Harris < > [email protected]>; Jake Sullivan <[email protected]>; > Marlon Marshall <[email protected]>; Heather Stone < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* one chain on DOMA > > > > Think all of us are getting incoming from friends in LGBT community about > DOMA comments. > > > > HuffPo has reached out to us. I heard from Socarides that NYT was doing > something. > > > > I have no understanding of the issue – but clear this has a head of steam. > > > > Brian can put a statement out, but policy and political need to tell us > what you want us to do. > > > > I would suggest a conference call with relevant parties for how we are > going to handle all around – press, groups, politics. I have a bad > schedule for rest of day and may not be able to be on such a call but > don’t think I am needed. We just need guidance and then on political end > think we need a plan for how to hose down anxious friends. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dominic Lowell > > LGBT Outreach Director | Hillary for America > > 661.364.5186 > > [email protected] > > > > > > -- > > Dominic Lowell > > LGBT Outreach Director | Hillary for America > > 661.364.5186 > > [email protected] > > > > > > -- > > Dominic Lowell > > LGBT Outreach Director | Hillary for America > > 661.364.5186 > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > -- > > Dominic Lowell > > LGBT Outreach Director | Hillary for America > > 661.364.5186 > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > -- > > Dominic Lowell > > LGBT Outreach Director | Hillary for America > > 661.364.5186 > > [email protected] > > > > > > -- > > Dominic Lowell > > LGBT Outreach Director | Hillary for America > > 661.364.5186 > > [email protected] > > > > <HRC DOMA.DOCX> > > -- Kristina Schake | Communications Hillary for America