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Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 1 of 12 United States District Court Southern District of New York Virginia L. Giuffre, Plaintiff, Case No.: 15-cv-07433-RWS v. Ghislaine Maxwell, Defendant. ________________________________/ PLAINTIFF’S REPLY IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO ENFORCE THE COURT’S ORDER AND DIRECT DEFENDANT TO ANSWER DEPOSITION QUESTIONS Plaintiff, Virginia Giuffre, by and through her undersigned counsel, files this Reply in Support of her Motion to Enforce the Court’s Order and Direct Defendant to Answer Deposition Questions. Defendant argued that Mr. Boies’ questions were outside this Court’s Order. That is simply untrue. Defendant refused to answer questions that go to heart of the type of questions this Court specifically ordered Defendant to answer: they could not be more on-point. None of Defendant’s arguments change the language of this Court’s Order. None of Defendant’s arguments change the questions Defendant refused to answer. Accordingly, Ms. Giuffre’s motion should be granted. I. PRELIMINARY STATEMENT Defendant begins her brief with snippets of her self-serving testimony. As the Court is aware, all of this testimony is directly contradicted by the myriad of other witnesses in this case who have testified at deposition, including Defendant’s own witness, . Defendant has claimed in her deposition that she did not procure girls for sex with Epstein nor notice the 1  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 2 of 12 hundreds of young girls who came and went from the home she shared with Epstein. Her testimony is directly refuted by multiple witnesses. Juan Alessi, Epstein’s house manager, testified that Defendant was one of the people who procured the over 100 girls he witnessed visit Epstein, and that he had to clean Defendant’s sex toys.4 4 See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 7, Juan Alessi’s June 1, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 28, 52-54. 2  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 3 of 12 Police Detective Joseph Recarey, who led the investigation of Epstein, testified that Defendant procured underage girls for Epstein.8 Indeed, on the morning that Recarey executed the search warrant on Epstein’s Palm Beach Property, Defendant, herself, called Epstein’s , and told her not to come over to their house that day until the afternoon.9 And though Defendant refused to admit that she flew with Ms. Giuffre,10 Epstein’s .11 6 See Maxwell’s April 22, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 78-79, 144 (barely recollects Plaintiff at all); see also McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 9, Excerpted Dep. Ex. 1 (flight records evidencing Defendant (GM) flying with Ms. Giuffre). 7 See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 10, “All aboard the ‘Lolita Express’: Flight logs reveal the many trips and Alan Dershowitz took on pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s private jet with anonymous women” at The Daily Mail, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article- 2922773/Newly-released-flight-logs-reveal-time-trips-Bill-Clinton-Harvard-law-professor-Alan- Dershowitz-took-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-Lolita-Express-private-jet-anonymous- women.html (January 22, 2015). 8 See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 11, Detective Joseph Recarey’s June 21, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 29-30. 9 See McCawley Decl.at Exhibit 12, October 20, 2009 Dep. Tr. at 81-83. 10 See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 1 Maxwell’s April 22, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 120-127, 132-133 and 145. 11 See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 13, ’ June 3, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 18, 34-36; see also Exhibit 9, Excerpted Dep. Ex. 1 at flight #s 1433-1434, 1444-1446, 1464-1470, 1478-1480, 1490-1491, 1506, 1525-1526, 1528, 1570 and 1589. 3  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 4 of 12 Tellingly, Defendant has not been able to procure a single witness - not one - who can testify that Defendant did not procure girls for sex with Epstein and did not participate in the sex. Even one of her own witnesses, . Indeed, those who knew her well, who spent considerable time in her and Epstein’s shared household, have testified that she was Epstein’s procuress. With every deposition taken, the chorus of voices accusing Defendant of being a procurer of girls for Epstein grows louder and stronger, corroborating Ms. Giuffre’s account, and proving that Defendant defamed her when she called her a liar.14 In her Response brief, Defendant puts forth the number of questions posed to her in her deposition; however, the important number is omitted: how many questions she actually answered. What Defendant fails to tell the Court is how many questions - and how much deposition time - was taken up by Defendant engaging in improper behavior. Defendant spent much of her time refusing to answer basic questions so that they had to be repeated multiple 14 Defendant claims that “Plaintiff’s counsel has admitted that it was a mistake to sue Alan Dershowitz for defamation, after he provided them documentation establishing he never was in their client’s presence, nor did he have sex with her.” This is simply untrue. 4  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 5 of 12 times. She also spent much of her time feigning incomprehension of simple sentences and common words, also causing the same question to be posed to her multiple times. For example, defendant pretended not to understand the question, “Do you believe that Epstein abused minors?,” causing it to be repeated multiple times. Q. . . . do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein abused any minor children? A. Can you repeat the question please and break it down so it's more understandable. Q. Now that you have the police report that I showed you this morning that you had an opportunity to look at. A. You gave it to me, I did not look at it. Q. The questions that I asked you about the police report -- you are aware there is a police report? A. I am aware there is a police report. Q. You are aware there was a criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein? A. I am aware that there was that. Q. Now that you are aware of those two things and having talked to Jeffrey Epstein, do you believe Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? A. Can you reask the second part of that question please. Q. Sure. The two documents we were talking about, the document and the investigation, you said you are aware of and after having talked to Jeffrey Epstein, do you believe Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? A. What do you mean I talked to Jeffrey, you need to break the question down further. *** Q. Let's take those two things. After knowing those two things, do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein abused minor children? A. Can you explain what you mean by the question actually. Q. I think the question speaks for itself. I will try again. I will say it one more time because I want you to be able to understand it. Knowing that you have the police report here and knowing about the criminal investigation, do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors? This sequence goes on and on. Counsel for Ms. Giuffre had to ask Defendant whether she believed Epstein abused minors fourteen more times after this exchange. 15 Still, Defendant never answered the question. See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 1, Maxwell’s April 22, 2016 Dep. 15 See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 1, Maxwell’s April 22, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 170, 171, 173 (twice), 174 (twice), 175 (twice), 176 (twice), 178, 182 (twice), and 183. Counsel for Ms. Giuffre had to repeat other questions when Defendant did not answer them (e.g., asking about Defendant’s knowledge of abuse of minors in Epstein’s home, See McCawley Dec. at Exhibit 1, Maxwell’s April 22, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 90, 168-169). 5  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 6 of 12 Tr. at 168:18 - 181:24. It appears that Defendant’s misleading tally of questions posed to her includes all the times questions were repeated or needlessly re-worded due to her obstructionist deposition tactics. Indeed, Defendant, who claimed her professional role with Epstein was to pay the pool guy,16 has a master’s degree from Oxford University’s Balliol College. Yet, throughout the deposition, she feigned incomprehension of basic questions, and even of basic words. Defendant pretended she did not know what a “puppet” is. See McCawley Decl at Exhibit 1, Maxwell’s April 22, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 287-290. Other examples of Defendant’s feigned incomprehension of basic questions to avoid answering questions can be found attached at Exhibit 1, Maxwell’s April 22, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 8:23-9:18 (pretending she did not know what a “female” is); 51:13 - 54:14 (pretending she didn’t understand what “sexual acts” were); 69:25-71:16 (pretending she doesn’t know what “sex toys” are); 87:8-91:3 (pretending that the dozens of police reports made by underage girls abused by Epstein were all “lies”). Defendant also repeatedly asked for simple questions to be rephrased, pretending that she did not understand. Specifically, she requested that questions be repeated or re-asked at least twenty-eight times. See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 1, Maxwell’s April 22, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 9, 13, 22, 26, 39, 50, 85, 93, 97, 98, 105, 121, 168-169, 187, 189, 201, 221 (two times), 239, 241, 257, 267, 278-279, 287, 289, 291, 336, and 377. Sometimes changing tact, she also asked for the questions to be broken down/apart. See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 1, Maxwell’s April 22, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 26, 93-94, 168-169, 170. Defendant is correct that there was much repetition in her deposition: many questions were asked multiple times when Defendant did not provide an answer, and many were asked multiple times at Defendant’s own request. 16 See McCawley Decl. at Exhibit 1, Maxwell’s April 22, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 50:18-24. 6  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 7 of 12 Defendant complains in her brief about the length of time she was deposed. That, too, was her own-doing. Her deposition would have been much shorter (and the second one avoided entirely) if she answered the questions posed to her the first time. Indeed, she was playing games, giving non-answers, and feigning incomprehension. It was Defendant’s refusal to answer questions that caused this Court to order her to sit for a second deposition. That could have been avoided by simply answering the questions the first time. Defendant’s behavior not only wasted everyone’s time, but revealed that she could provide no answer to those questions that could aid in her defense. Moreover, Defendant put forth a detailed chart to show that certain questions were “duplicative or redundant,” but, tellingly, did not include Defendant’s responses in the chart. The reason is clear: Defendant’s non-communicative “non-answers” from her first deposition necessitated their repetition. II. DISCUSSION 7  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 8 of 12 As articulated in the moving brief, Defendant refused to answer four categories of questions that were directly within the ambit of this Court’s Order. First, Defendant refused to answer many questions about , who was recruited by Defendant, and subsequently abused by and had sex with Jeffrey Epstein. Questions relating to her involvement with Epstein and Defendant are directly within the ambit of the Court’s Order. The Court should direct the Defendant to answer questions relating to because they are “questions relating to [Defendant’s] knowledge of sexual activities of others with or involving Epstein.” Second, Defendant refused to answers concerning . Defendant was involved in Epstein’s sexual abuse, and grooming for sexual abuse, of , respectively. Notably, was only 16 years old at the time: a familiar yet still disturbing theme running through Defendant and Epstein’s lifestyle. Therefore, questions relating to Defendant’s involvement with, knowledge of, and observations of are within the ambit of this Court’s Order because they are “questions relating to [Defendant’s] knowledge of sexual activities of others with or involving Epstein.” Third, Defendant refused to answer questions regarding girls brought to “massage” Epstein by . Questions regarding the girls who Defendant asked to bring to the house to “massage” Epstein are also directly within the ambit of this Court’s Order. Fourth, and related to the third topic, questions about Maxwell’s knowledge of, and interactions with, any of the girls who came over to “massage” Epstein are all within the ambit of the Court’s Order. Questions concerning 8  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 9 of 12 Defendant also refused to answer foundational questions that are necessary precedent to the question authorized by this Court. The Court should direct Defendant to answer those questions, and all related questions that arise out of any response Defendant provides within the parameters of the Court’s June 20, 2016 Sealed Order. As recounted more fully in the moving brief, the questions Defendant refused to answer fall squarely within this Court’s earlier order. Defendant can have no legitimate basis for obstructing the search for truth by refusing to answer. The Court should, again, compel Defendant to answer all these questions. Defendant claims that "[i]t is difficult to discern precisely what questions Plaintiff is complaining about in her Motion because of her generalized and non-specific complaints.” Br. at 9. To the contrary, Ms. Giuffre set forth excerpts from the deposition transcript showing exactly what questions Defendant refused to answer. To wit, Defendant failed to answer “So is it fair to say that , according to your testimony?” (Plaintiff’s Brief at 4); “So, how did it happen, Ms. Maxwell, that ended up giving massages to you and Mr. Epstein?” (Id.); “Did Mr. Epstein pay for the massages that she gave Mr. Epstein?” (Plaintiff’s Brief at 6); and “Do you know whether or not was ever at (Plaintiff’s Brief at 7). The brief also set for the instance wherein Mr. Pagliuca instructed the Defendant not 9  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 10 of 12 to answer any more questions with respect to whether she knows certain girls who came over to Epstein’s home to massage him, “Q. Have you ever heard the name A. I don’t recollect that name at all. MR. PAGLIUCA: those names are on Exhibit 26, which we have already gone over and she said she didn't recognize those people, so now we are just repeating things that we went over. MR. BOIES: I am in the context of seeing if I can refresh her recollection, because these are women that , who she also does not recall, brought over to Mr. Epstein's residences, and I also want to make a very clear record of what her testimony is and is not right now.” (Plaintiff’s Brief at 8-9). See McCawley Dec. at Exhibit 3, Excerpts from Maxwell July 22, 2016 Dep. Tr. at 154-156. Defendant cannot make a credible argument that these questions, or their subject matter, are outside the scope of the Court’s Order. All of them relate to Defendant’s knowledge of individuals who “massaged” Jeffrey Epstein ), who were brought to their house to “massage” Jeffrey Epstein and myriad other girls who brought at Defendant’s behest); and who were massaged by Defendant herself ( at 16 and ). Mr. Boies’ unanswered questions are all directly within the ambit of this Court’s Order. Again, Defendant’s arguments do not change the language of this Court’s Order; nor do they change the questions Defendant refused to answer. Defendant must answer these questions. III. CONCLUSION Based upon the foregoing, Ms. Giuffre respectfully requests that this Court grant her Motion, and direct the Defendant to answer the disposition questions Mr. Boies posed to her. Dated: August 12, 2016 Respectfully Submitted, BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP 10  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 11 of 12 By: /s/ Sigrid McCawley Sigrid McCawley (Pro Hac Vice) Meredith Schultz (Pro Hac Vice) Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Suite 1200 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33301 (954) 356-0011 David Boies Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP 333 Main Street Armonk, NY 10504 Bradley J. Edwards (Pro Hac Vice) FARMER, JAFFE, WEISSING, EDWARDS, FISTOS & LEHRMAN, P.L. 425 North Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 (954) 524-2820 Paul G. Cassell (Pro Hac Vice) S.J. Quinney College of Law University of Utah 383 University St. Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-520217 17 This daytime business address is provided for identification and correspondence purposes only and is not intended to imply institutional endorsement by the University of Utah for this private representation. 11  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1201-17 Filed 01/27/21 Page 12 of 12 CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE I HEREBY CERTIFY that on the 12th day of August, 2016, I electronically filed the foregoing document with the Clerk of Court by using the CM/ECF system. I also certify that the foregoing document is being served this day on the individuals identified below via transmission of Notices of Electronic Filing generated by CM/ECF. Laura A. Menninger, Esq. Jeffrey Pagliuca, Esq. HADDON, MORGAN & FOREMAN, P.C. 150 East 10th Avenue Denver, Colorado 80203 Tel: (303) 831-7364 Fax: (303) 832-2628 Email: [email protected] [email protected] /s/ Sigrid S. McCawley Sigrid S. McCawley 12