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From: Jeffrey Epstein
Sent Fri 12/20/2013 8:46:13 PM
Subject: Re: Joe Thakuria
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On Friday, December 20, 2013,nrote:
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From: Joseph Thakuria
Date: December 20, 2013, 3:01:29 PM EST
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Subject: Re: Jeffrey Epstein-Invoice?
Hi
Sorry about the delay on this. Things have been more hectic than usual with the
holidays and being short-handed in the hospital and Fm still waiting on a few
things related to the iPS lines and bioinformatics vendors/platforms. I also have
some travel planned.
Can I get this invoice to you and Jeffrey sometime during the week of 12/30 when things
will have started to settle down?
Thanks,
Joe Thakuria
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:19 PM > wrote:
Hi Joe! Thank you so much for this! I have passed along to Jeffrey your
findings...lets see what he has to say ...
Thanks again,
On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Joseph Thakuria wrote:
Hi
Sorry I've been swamped with clinical work. We don't have a fellow
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this month so I've been in the hospital until late every day this week.
Realistically I won't be able to provide a detailed invoice until early
next week but here's the general update:
1. I don't think donating sequencing of patient genomes or exomes
will be an option anymore. I think it will be too difficult to clear by
mgh. And all the patients I had in mind were seen through mgh. I'll
let you know if this situation changes.
2. For whole genome sequencing in a clia lab, I think the best bet is
to get this done directly through Illumina. The cost for this is $5-
10k but I'll run various options by him. They offer just the raw data
as well as 2 types of analyses. I think he should do all 3 but I'll
include more details in the invoice. (I'm still discussing with people
from illumina and waiting for some calls back.)
3. In terms of analysis, since Jeffrey has said cost is not an issue, the
best route in my opinion would be to analyze across several of the
genomic analyses tools currently available. Though it's not critical to
analyze across multiple tools, it's a new enough field that a) they
each have their own pros/cons, b) I don't think the illumina analyses
(both options) provides enough features for in depth analyses (this
might seem surprising - but shouldn't be - since they're much more
focused on their sequencing instrumentation business over analyses
tools), and c) comparing results across the different ones for
concordance is worthwhile. I've honed in on 2-4 I think are worth
using and will tally up the costs in the invoice.
4. Individualized cell lines: Jeffrey already has fibroblast cell lines
from the skin biopsy done for the pgp. Induced pluripotent stem
cells (adult stem cells) can be made from these. They can also be
induced to differentiate into various cell types including neurons
(which would otherwise, of course, be difficult to obtain and study
in a specific individual). I'm getting itemized costs but getting to iPS
cells costs around $10k and the process takes about 6 months
(because of the multiple cell passages needed in the protocol).
(Success of course isn't guaranteed either.)
All this work should fall within or just a bit over the $30k or so
Jeffrey mentioned over the phone. Payment can be made by your
group directly to the various vendors once you have that info. As I
discussed with Jeffrey on the phone, I won't personally accept
money and any effort I contribute to this will be pro bono. And, this
goes without saying, but with respect to the vendors, these are just
suggestions so Jeffrey should feel free to use other vendors if he has
other preferences.
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I'm happy to go through his genome pro bono using the analyses
tools his genomic data from illumina will get loaded onto once it's
available. I'm also happy to reassess as well in a year to try and
incorporate any new data that may be available relevant to his
genome. At that time, there may also be additional data to generate
and analyze from studying his iPS or other cell lines. On that front,
it may also be interesting to do a genome on his fibroblast cells
(which we currently have unlike the iPS cells). I wouldn't expect to
get additional medical info from that but it helps give a handle on
mutations that are present in the fibros and not him - and later in the
iPS cells but not native cells. (And, therefore, give you a handle on
how accurately these cells will reflect normal physiology when
further studied.) At some point we can compare his white blood cell
genome to fibroblast cells to iPS cells and other derived cells.
Some of this hassle, such as needing multiple vendors for
sequencing and analyses, just comes with the territory of being an
early adopter. This will get cheaper and the process should be more
straightforward over time. And while no one can guarantee benefit
from genome sequencing, especially in someone relatively healthy,
there is the possibility of reaping benefit as an early adopter before
others if something medically actionable is discovered in his data.
(We'll also concentrate our analyses on those 56 genes the ACMG
recommended checking even in healthy individuals).
More to follow and apologies for the delay on the invoice. You can
see I've been looking into it though and there are still a few moving
pieces. Pm sorry about the news on funding patient sequences.
Jeffrey sounded excited about that possibility. His genomic data
should be interesting though and even if it's of limited use now, he'll
be able to go back and reanalyze the data in the future as more is
collectively learned in this field.
Best,
Joe
On Dec 11, 2013 5:23 PM,
wrote:
Hi Joe...can you please give me the ETA for Jeffrey's invoice? I'm
sorry to keep pestering you, but Jeffrey has asked that I stay on top
of this...it is quite important to him.
Any update would be tremendously helpful.
Thank you,
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