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"Whilst the Flame Flickers:"
Restored to Wholeness in Conversation
"If I knew only Thoreau, I should
think cooperation of good men
impossible. Must we always talk
for victory, and never once for
truth, for comfort, and joy?"
- Emerson,Journal DO (1854)
In the summer of 2009, I taught a course at Stanford on the Irish playwright Brian Friel in
conjunction with a theater season dedicated to his plays. This was an evening course for
adults, offered through the Continuing Studies Program. I mention this because all the
students were there for the intrinsic pleasure of reading Friel and talking about him with
fellow students. There were no grades, no credit, and nobody expected "take aways" —
skill sets or strategies — that would help them make more money or get a better job.
One evening, after we enjoyed a particularly good conversation about Friel's most popular
play, "Dancing at Lughnasa" (1990),1 started thinking about the experience of
conversation itself. But first, let me sketch in a little background on the play. The date is
1936, a particularly grim and repressive time in Ireland; and the place is Ballybeg, literally
"Small Town" up north in Donegal. Five sisters are living together in a cottage, and
struggling to make ends meet by knitting for piece work and teaching school; and in
spite of the gray thinness of their lives, they manage to remain cheerful and kind to
each other. But they are frustratingly aware that in spite of their efforts, their lives
remain anemic and marginalized. The absence at the center of their lives is
symbolized by the traditional harvest festival of Lughnasa that never quite happens
anymore, or if it does it's just among a handful of teenage slackers who go up to the
"back hills," drink beer, and fall drunk into their bonfires. In the past, these fires lit
up the night and everybody gathered around them to dance, sing, drink, tell stories,
and carouse joyfully until dawn. The cost of it all was a fierce hangover the next
morning - a small price to pay for the feelings of solidarity and belonging that lasted
(ideally) until the next festival.
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But now, in 1936, the town has stopped dancing, and the five sisters are left to suppose
that Life - healthy, robust, full life - must be happening elsewhere; they just don't
know where. That is, not until their elderly Uncle Jack, comes to visit from Africa,
where they believe he has been a Catholic missionary for the past 25 years. But, as
his stories reveal, he had pretty enthusiastically gone native a long time back In one
memorable scene, Jack describes to his pious niece Kate the Festival of the New Yam
(pointedly, a midsummer harvest festival like the now absent Lughnasa):
It's an important ceremony, you would have three to four hundred
people ... M hey begin very formally ... with the ritual sacrifice of a
fowl or a goat or a calf down at the bank of the river. Then the
ceremonial cutting and anointing of the first yams and the first
cassava; and we pass these around in huge wooden bowls. Then the
incantation - a chant, really - that expresses our gratitude and that
also acts as a rhythm or percussion for the ritual dance. And then,
when the thanksgiving is over, the dance continues. And the
interesting thing is that it grows naturally into a secular celebration;
so that almost imperceptibly the religious ceremony ends and the
community celebration takes over.... We light fires round the
periphery of the circle; and we paint our faces with coloured
powders; and we sing local songs; and we drink palm wine. And then
we dance - and dance - and dance - children, men, women, most of
them lepers, many of them with misshapen limbs - dancing, believe it
or not, for days on end! It's the most wonderful sight you have ever
seen! (Laughs.) That palm wine! They dole it out in horns! You lose
all sense of time ... ! Oh yes, the Ryangans are a remarkable people:
there is no distinction between the religious and the secular in their
culture. And of course their capacity for fun, for laughing, for
practical jokes - they've such open hearts! In some respects, they're
not unlike us.
Dancing in Ryanga not only integrates the community, it integrates each individual
who participates, bringing together their religious and secular selves, dream lives
and waking lives, and public and private identities. Friel suggests that such rituals
restore our psychic health, and that through them we become "whole" again (OE
hmith, related to hal "whole"). In the absence of such rituals, we remain partial,
partisan, and apart - from each other, and from dimensions of ourselves. And then
we become sick, or just lost "Dancing in the Dark."
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As readers or viewers of "Dancing at Lughnasa" we are prompted to ask ourselves
this question: in the absence of the traditional rituals that are designed to restore
us, where do we go to renew our health and retrieve our wholeness? Well, we don't
have to look far. At the end of the play, we realize that we in the theater audience
have just participated in a communal ceremony that provides all the benefits Jack
finds in the Ryangan harvest festival. Going to the theater is inclusive, bonding, and
interactive. The actors need us as much as we need them, and together we make
whatever magic we experience. We are taken out of ourselves imaginatively by
identifying with the characters, and we allow them to "enter" us. As long as the
performance lasts, the membrane separating our partial selves from others is
permeable, and we are restored to some larger whole. We go away feeling
invigorated, enlivened, better aligned with life and life's positive purposes.
And, here's what I'd like to explore: I think this same experience of invigorating
wholeness happens in a good conversation in class. I say "in class" because the
phenomenon I have in mind requires some of the formality that is present in a
communal ceremony and in the theater, and is absent in the informal conversations
we may have over dinner or walking with a friend. Everybody comes to a class
meeting with a shared expectation of formal structure, which includes some of the
following:
• The conversation will last a fixed amount of time (and will consequently
have a kind of narrative or temporal shape),
• It will be about an agreed-upon topic, and while individuals' remarks may be
personal, they are expected to be contributions to the topic at hand which is
impersonal,
• There is an unspoken contract that nobody leaves until the end, and that
everybody has responsibility for the success of the common project,
• Typically there is a leader (what the ancients called a symposiarch, the
convener of the symposium),
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• While there are no formal rules for how to begin, sustain, and conclude a
conversation of this sort, there are well-known protocols that govern what
sorts of things get said,
• More is expected of participants than talking in turn; everybody is also
expected to pay attention, listen, accommodate others, and take
responsibility for the group's coordination.
When it works, and the conversation has been good, everybody leaves feeling
energized, and grateful to the others - grateful because they had thoughts they
could not have had without the group, and found articulations that would otherwise
have had no occasion. In other words, when a conversation takes off, everybody
becomes more - and better - than they feel themselves to be when alone.
Nobody describes the exhilaration of a good conversation better than Emerson, who
makes the unpredictably emergent quality of talk sound as exciting and dangerous
as going up in a hot air balloon. In his beautiful essay "Circles" from 1842 he
describes the paradoxical experience of self-loss and self-enlargement that comes
when, enabled by those with whom we are talking, we say things we could never
have said without them. He calls this experience "Pentecostal" because, in fact, we
find ourselves speaking in tongues unavailable to us when we are alone.
Conversation is a game of circles .... The parties are not to be
judged by the spirit they partake and even express under this
Pentecost. Tomorrow they will have receded from this high-
water mark. Tomorrow you shall find them stooping under the
old pack-saddles. Yet let us enjoy the cloven flame whilst it glows
on our walls.
When each new speaker strikes a new light, emancipates us from
the oppression of the last speaker to oppress us with the
greatness and exclusiveness of his own thought, then yields us to
another redeemer, we seem to recover our rights, to become men.
... The facts which loomed so large in the fog of yesterday -
property, climate, breeding, personal beauty and the like, have
strangely changed their proportions. All that we reckoned settled
shakes and rattles; and literature, cities, climates, religions, leave
their foundations and dance before our eyes. (257)
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There is more than a little eros in the experience Emerson describes here: the willing
invasion of one's self, being taken up, suspended, passed from one caresser to
another. At the same time, I think, Emerson is trying to understand the paradoxical
feeling we have of simultaneously remaining an individual ("apart") and being taken
up into a whole ("a part"). This paradox is embedded in the verb "to partake" and
may, in fact, describe our common existential condition: we are social animals who
are "part or a culture or society from which we "take" our identities. Emerson is
often inaccurately remembered as the champion of "self reliance" which libertarians
believe means solitary and competitive individualism when, in fact, Emerson was
always mindful of our doubleness as takers and partakers, as beings deeply
dependent on others to become whole.
It might help, in thinking this through, to turn to another arena where similar sorts
of dynamics play out, namely jazz music. Wynton Marsalis writes in Moving to
Higher Ground: How Jazz Can Change Your Life about the "conversation" of jazz
musicians, one with another, as they play - improvising, offering, stepping aside as
one or another takes a chance, acknowledging, folding back in, etc. The drummer
knows that he cannot play what he plays - cannot be the person he is - without the
sax and the trumpet and the bass, and mutatis mutandis for the others. This is why,
when the music stops and the applause begins, jazz musicians gesture to each other,
as though to say, "No, not me ... him" or, more accurately, "without him ... no me."
The other thing that makes jazz, and theater, so much like conversation is that in all
three activities there is no "take away." We don't go to hear music or see a play or
have a conversation in class with some instrumental purpose in mind. We go
because the activity is pleasurable in itself, like gardening or hiking, not a means to
some further end. If we find these activities fulfilling, they become part of our
secular "practice: part of a complete life, and the only thing we can imagine doing
with them is to repeat them, come back, and do it again - over and over.
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I chose that word "practice" intentionally because, while I don't believe that
conversation teaches us "take away" skills, I do believe that conversation offers us
the opportunity to practice social and intellectual virtues, among which I'd include:
• Attention: This is not a commonly cited social virtue, but only by paying
attention can we perceive and receive the world outside of the small
ego of the self. In conversation, this means listening to others, staying
engaged, and not allowing oneself to become distracted (no checking
email on your smart phone under the table). The etymology of the
word "attention" cues us to the scope of its ideal: in Latin, attendere
means "to take care of,"
• Accommodation: In Korea they say that building stone walls teaches the
virtue of accommodation. Because all stones are asymmetrical, as soon
as a wailer places a stone, he knows the next one will have to
accommodate its neighbor's eccentricities. Once a stone is set, it will
not be removed; once a remark is made in conversation, it cannot be
withdrawn, and it becomes the responsibility of the listeners to figure
out how to receive it, no matter how odd or awkward,
• Cooperation: Conversation is not debate; there are no winners and
losers, and competitive one-upsmanship, stubbornness, and ideological
fanaticism are the fastest way to kill its magic (Churchill once quipped
that a "fanatic" is somebody who cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject). A debate, like a baseball game, aims toward its end;
and even if along the way there are virtuoso moments of non-
competitive performance, what counts is the score at the end. By
contrast, in conversation, all the goods are internal, and the end does
not come with a judgment separating winners and losers but marks a
reluctant cessation, commonly agreed upon. And while the
conversation lasts, everybody has an equal and non-partisan interest in
not only sustaining it, but lifting it to its highest levels of mutual
satisfaction - stoking the cloven flame that glows on the wall.
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Michael Oakeshott, the British philosopher who wrote a number of
consequential essays on conversation, especially "The Voice of Conversation in
the Education of Mankind" (1946), and "The Voice of Poetry in the
Conversation of Mankind" (1959), has this to say about the virtues that get
practiced in conversation:
[W]hat the practice of conversation requires is not a certain
number of participants, but a certain disposition Those who
are disposed to think conversationally will use the voice of
conversation even when they are alone and speak only to
themselves. Indeed, all the characteristics of conversational talk:
the readiness of sympathy, the forbearance from dogmatism, the
naïve pleasure in the exchange of ideas, the generosity in giving
and taking, the intoxicating blend of the consequential and the
inconsequential, the internal discipline combined with the
absence of a route to be taken or a conclusion to be reached, are
only the images of a certain manner of thinking Conversation,
in short, is a disposition of the human soul; it may often reveal
itself in talk, but it is capable of civilizing any of the activities in
which human beings engage." (192-193).
I'd like to underscore that last term Oakeshott uses - "civilizing" - because it is
another way of describing the tricky and demanding ideal we have already pointed to
of learning how to be simultaneously "apart" and "a part." The mark of a civilized
person is that he or she has developed this dual consciousness, and understands him-
or herself as both an individual with legitimate and defensible private goals and as a
constituent part of a larger social whole (a civis) with equally legitimate and
defensible public goals. When this balance is lost, one either reverts to tribal
partisanship, unable to see the whole, or succumbs to totalitarian homogenization,
surrendering individuality to a putatively superior mass. Those of us who see
civilization and citizenship as precious and precarious ideals, also believe that we
need frequent occasions to practice the virtues that promote them, because
citizenship is not only a right, but a skill that improves with regular rehearsal. And -
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as I have been suggesting - happily, this practice is a joy and a pleasure in itself, and
we go back eagerly to those sites like theater, music, and conversation, where it can
be enjoyed. The joy and pleasure are not incidental; like the Feast of the Yam that
Father Jack describes in Dancing at Lughnasa good conversation is a remarkable
hybrid of discipline, attention, earnestness, along with intoxicating release,
receptivity, and joyful openness. Emerson again: "All conversation is a series of
intoxications; the talkers recover themselves at intervals, see how pleasant the gas
was, inhale it again, and disport themselves gladly. If they kept cool, there would be
no Joy." (journal AB, 1847, vol. II, p. 341)
One theorist whom I have found useful in trying to understand the dynamic in
conversation between individual and group, part and whole, person and
impersonality, is David Bohm. Bohm was one of the most brilliant quantum
physicists of his generation, and worked closely with both Oppenheimer and
Einstein. Because he was also a radical peace activist, however, he was
hounded by J. Edgar Hoover and HUAC, and was ultimately forced to leave the
US, first for Brazil, and then Israel, before settling at the University of London
where he remained for the rest of his career. A nimble thinker, he was not
content to limit his understanding of particles and systems to physics, but saw
their applicability to both human psychology and human social interaction.
Later in his life, he became fascinated by dialogue both in theory and practice,
and developed a particular method designed to give groups of 20-40
participants the experience of what he called "the unfoldment and revelation
of the deeper collective meanings."
This is not the place to go into detail on the particularities of Bohm Dialogue,
but I want to borrow a little from him to help me understand the phenomenon
I am trying to describe, namely the emergence in conversation of shared
meaning or impersonal thought - those understandings which are created
between the participants, but feel, at the same time, profoundly personal. Here
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is Bohm:
Participants in dialogue find that they are involved in an ever
changing and developing pool of common meaning. A shared
content of consciousness emerges which allows a level of
creativity and insight that is not generally available to
individuals or to groups that interact in more familiar ways.
This reveals an aspect of dialogue that Patrick de Mare has
called koinonia, a word meaning 'impersonal fellowship,' which
was originally used to describe the early form of Athenian
democracy in which all the free men of the city gathered to
govern themselves." (5-6)
And, I can't help going back to Emerson again, this time in the essay "The
Oversoul," where he takes this notion of "impersonal fellowship" and
expands it into a metaphysical principle:
Persons themselves acquaint us with the impersonal. In all
conversations between two persons tacit reference is made, as to a
third party, to common nature. That third party or common nature is
not social; it is impersonal.... And so in groups where debate is
earnest, and especially on high questions, the company becomes
aware that the thought rises to an equal level in all bosoms, that all
have a spiritual property in what was said, as well as in the sayer.
They all become wiser than they were. It arches over them like a
temple, this unity of thought in which every heart beats with nobler
sense of power and duty, and thinks and acts with unusual solemnity.
All are conscious of attaining to a higher self-possession. It shines for
all.
At times like this, Emerson believes, we get a glimpse of what he regards as the
Truth, that "the heart in thee is the heart of all; not a valve, not a wall, not an
intersection is there anywhere in nature, but one blood rolls uninterruptedly, an
endless circulation through all men, as the water of the globe is all one sea, and, truly
seen, its tide is one" (249). This is a belief whose truth-value cannot be proven or
refuted, but as William James would say it is "pragmatically true" because it puts the
believer into a healthy (hale -> whole) relation to the world.
The German philosopher, Hans-Georg Gadamer, who wrote extensively on
conversation and dialogue, would agree with Emerson that to be in conversation
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means to be beyond one's self. Gadamer's vocabulary is different, but he draws his
inspiration from a Romantic ideology of trust and mutuality not unlike Emerson's. To
be beyond oneself, for Gadamer, is to think with the other, and we can only do this
when we talk together. In successful conversations, my "horizon of understanding"
(one of Gadamer's key terms) merges with another's, as though a new lens were
attached to my perceptual camera, and while the effect lasts I can see and know
more. Gadamer also shares with Emerson the acknowledgment that this merging of
horizons does not last it is the effect of the Pentecostal "cloven flame" that flickers
on the wall while we talk. Gadamer also agrees with Emerson that the participants in
conversation do not need to care so much about each other as individual
personalities, but that together they go someplace that is impersonal, beyond each
personality:
Thus it is a characteristic of every true conversation that each opens
himself to the other person, truly accepts his point of view as worthy
of consideration and gets inside the other to such an extent that he
understands not a particular individual, but what he says (my
emphasis). The thing that has to be grasped is the objective rightness
or otherwise of his opinion, so that they can agree with each other on
a subject. (Gadamer Truth and Method: 347)
This impersonal "truth" is not something "out there" waiting for the group to
discover it; rather, it emerges in the talk, and evolves as the talk progresses. David
Bohm says that when a conversation really gets going, we glimpse "an unbroken
wholeness in flowing movement" It would be very hard to write something like this
down or record it, but then one wonders why you would want to do that any more
than you'd want to "write down" a jazz performance.
Montaigne, in his lovely essay "On the Art of Discussion," writes with characteristic
gratitude about the pleasure he finds in conversation: "The most fruitful and natural
exercise of our mind, in my opinion, is discussion. I find it sweeter than any other
action of our life; and that is the reason why, if I were right now forced to choose, I
believe I would rather consent to lose my sight than my hearing or speech." What is
it about conversation that makes it more valuable to Montaigne than his eyesight?
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think the answer is the same one Emerson and Gadamer have offered: it takes us out
of ourselves, helps us escape the partisan ego, and makes us larger than we are: "The
study of books is a languishing and feeble activity that gives no heat, whereas
discussion teaches and exercises us at the same time. If I discuss with a strong mind
and a stiffjouster, he presses on my flanks, prods me right and left; his ideas
launching mine. Rivalry, glory, competition, push me and lift me above myself." And,
like Gadamer and Emerson, Montaigne finds this exhilaration in the mysteriously
impersonal "third party or common nature" that emerges in conversation: "When
someone opposes me, he arouses my attention, not my anger. I go to meet a man
who contradicts me, who instructs me. The cause of truth should be the common
cause for both"[my emphasis]. Montaigne calls it "truth," Emerson calls it
"Pentecost," Gadamer calls it the "expanded horizon," and all agree that our access to
this visionary space is by way of talking with others, "through speech" (dia-logos).
Oakeshott agrees that conversation is the source of our most gratifying intellectual
pleasure, but, with his British allergy to metaphysics, he offers a more modest
comparison - it is really more like cooking, he says, than anything else we do:
Success does not lie in the conclusion of the discussion by some
unanswerable pronouncement; that is failure. Success is to
maintain this delicate equilibrium, to keep alive what has
miraculously been given life. We may win a point, score a hit;
but that is incidental; nobody wins the conversation .... Like
those of the art of cookery, the achievements in conversation
are transitory, and consequently its pleasure is absolute in each
moment (190)
Oakeshott's last insight - that the "achievements" of conversation are transitory, and
so we better pay attention and not miss their fleeting pleasures - is an echo, it seems
to me, of Emerson's existential recognition that the cloven flame flickers briefly,
against a wall that remains in place. Liberation is relative; tomorrow the pack
saddles. But, he says, "let us enjoy" - let us enjoy the cloven flame whilst it plays, and
let us feel grateful for those who come to our conversations and strike the match.
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There are those, of course, who come and do not stoke the flame, but smother it
Emerson, so much a lover of conversation, had many evenings when the flame
sputtered, and he wrote about them in his journals. Here is an entry from 1841 that
we can imagine was scribbled after an apparently exasperating gathering in Concord:
You come into this company meanly. How so?
We have come for the love of seeing each other & of conversing
together. You have come to give us things which are written
already in your note-books, and when you have told them, you
are spent The best of our talk is invented here, and we go
hence greater than we came by so much life as we have
awakened in each other; but you, when your quiver is emptied,
must sit dumb & careful the rest of the evening. Everything you
say makes you poorer, and everything we say makes us richer:
you go home when the company breaks up forlorn: we go home
(without a thought on ourselves,) full of happiness to pleasant
dreams. (Journal H, 1841, pp. 53-54, Library of America)
As always with Emerson, the idealism wins out over the annoyance. "We go hence
greater than we came ... without a thought on ourselves" - what a wonderful thing
to say!
Emerson and his circle were great talkers, and met regularly in each other's parlors
-- the room in a 19th century house, as its name reminds us, that was set aside
specifically for the pleasures of talk. Some of these gatherings were informal and
impromptu, but others were more deliberate, and took place in one or another of the
earnest clubs - early forms of adult education - that were designed specifically for
the pleasure of communal talk. Elizabeth Palmer Peabody experimented with a
discussion course for women as early as 1831. In 1836, Bronson Alcott started a
Friday night conversation class for schoolteachers. By that time, Alcott was infamous
in Boston for the scandalous conversations he had conducted with his pupils in the
experimental Temple School on the Bible. Convinced, like Wordsworth, that children
come "trailing clouds of glory from God who is our home," and are consequently able
to intuit deep religious truths, Alcott reasoned that it made less sense for adults to
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instruct young people on the scriptures, than to listen to what they had to say. His
Conversations on the Gospels, published at the close of 1836, caused such a scandal
that within a few years enrollment in the Temple School dropped from 40 to 30, then
to ten, and finally to one, Alcott's daughter.
Almost twenty-five years later, Alcott was given another chance to build an
elementary school curriculum around conversation, this time as Superintendent of
Schools in Concord, a position he held between 1859 and 1862. He instituted a
number of reforms, introducing singing, physical activity, and diary writing into the
curriculum and - not surprisingly - he made conversation the preferred mode of
pedagogy in the classroom. In one of his reports he had this to say in defense of
conversation:
Conversation is the mind's mouth-piece, its best spokesman; the
leader elect and prompter in teaching; practiced daily, it should
be added to the list of school studies; an art in itself, let it be used
as such, and ranked as an accomplishment second to none that
nature or culture can give.
Certainly the best we can do is to teach ourselves and children
how to talk. Let conversation displace much that passes current
under the name of recitation; mostly sound and parrotry, a
repeating by rote not by heart, unmeaning sounds from the
memory and no more.
'Take my mind a moment,' says the teacher, 'and see how things
look through that prism,' and the pupil sees prospects never
seen before or surmised by him in that lively perspective....
life calling forth life; the giving of life and a partaking. Nothing
should be interposed between the mind and its subject matter—
cold sense is impertinent; learning is insufficient—only life
alone; life like a torch lighting the head at the heart.
Alcott's prose frequently suffers from a kind of oracular airiness, and we
witness the beginnings of a dangerous ascent in the last sentence above. But it
is not accidental, I think, that he draws on the same Emersonian vocabulary of
enlargement ("the pupil sees prospects never seen before") and illumination
("life like a torch lighting the head at the heart" - an original anatomical
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fancy). And there is that intriguing verb again: to partake. Alcott says that
conversation is "life calling forth life" - the direction of flow reciprocal now
between teacher and pupil, between one pupil and another - "the giving of life
and a partaking." Even Thoreau, not much of a socializer and almost allergic
to "parlors," felt a kind of levitating expansion when he talked to Alcott: "Great
Thinker! Great Expecter! To converse with whom was a New England Night's
Entertainment. Ah! Such discourse we had, - hermit and philosopher, - and
the old Settler I have spoken of, - we three; it expanded and cracked my little
house." (1846-47 draft of Walden)
Margaret Fuller assumes a prominent position in the history of the liberal Boston
conversation movement, in part because of the awesome force of her personality and
intelligence, but also because of the star-studded cast of intellectual women she
attracted to the classes she held. Between 1839 and 1844, twenty-five to thirty
women signed up year after year to attend a conversation class that met on the
second floor of Elizabeth Peabody's bookstore in West Street. The first series on
Greek mythology was followed by a second on the fine arts, and others on ethics,
education, and the meaning of life - five in all. One participant confessed that she
often attended "to be entertained," but that Fuller always had a "higher purpose" and
infused the conversations with "the spirit that giveth life" (Memoirs, Vol.1, p. 349).
Some prospective participants asked if they might attend but not speak, and Fuller
said no, "the success of the whole depends on conversation being general," with the
promised reward of full participation nothing short of "real health and vigor."
(Memoirs, pp. Vol.1, 326-327). Only once did Fuller experiment with a class that
included men - a series on mythology - and it was a failure. Emerson attended one
session and remarked that Fuller seemed "encumbered" by the men "who fancied, no
doubt, that ... they ... must assert and dogmatize" (Memoirs, Vol. I, 347-348). But, in
1844 when she finished her last class on "Education," Fuller wrote to Emerson with
pride in what had been collectively accomplished, "How noble has been my
experience of such relations now for six years, and with so many and so various
minds. Life is worth living, is it not?" (quoted in Ronda, 194)
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Here, Fuller sounds like Montaigne: life is worth living if it is filled with such
conversation, or conversely, a fulfilling life is made up of such conversation. It is
remarkable how consistent this coupling of conversation and vitality appears across
cultures, across centuries, and coming from such different thinkers as Montaigne,
Habermans, Oakeshott, Gadamer, Emerson, and Alcott. And to add to this
remarkable consistency, I can cite from my own experience as the director of an
adult education program that convenes people for serious conversation, the
frequency with which this coupling is invoked by students who tell me things like
"This program is my oxygen!" or "1 feared getting old and getting stuck, but
Continuing Studies is keeping me nimble." On this note, I'd like to end with an
anecdote.
Back in 1998,1and some colleagues at Stanford formed a reading group that met
once a week in the evening to discuss Gary Snyder's new book of poems, Mountains
and Rivers Without End. It is a luminous collection, but the poems are challenging,
and we needed each other's help. At one session, a friend of a friend, named Locke
McCorkle, dropped in - coincidentally on the very night we were discussing "Bubbs
Creek Haircut," a poem in which Locke appears as a character, a hiking buddy of
Snyder's in the Sierras in the 1950's. During the conversation we were lucky to
have many "flying moments" of intellectual partnership and pleasure, and the flame
flickered on the wall. As we were packing up to leave, Locke - who is not an
academic and confessed to feeling a little intimidated when we began - said "Well,
I'm not sure I understand these poems any better, but I know one thing. I feel a
whole lot more alive than I did when I came in." We all did. We felt enlarged,
invigorated, restored to wholeness and health, and we understood that we couldn't
have done that alone. Although it wasn't our idiom, it was our feeling, and Emerson
said it best: We went hence greater than we came by so much life as we had
awakened in each other. And we knew that we'd be back for more.
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R.W. Emerson, Selected Journals, Vols. I and II, Library of America, 2010,
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Ossoli, Boston, Roberts Brothers, 1874,
Brian Friel, "Dancing at Lughnasa," London, Faber and Faber, 1998,
Hans-Georg Gadamer, Truth and Method, London, Continuum, 2004,
Wynton Marsalis, Moving to Higher Ground: How Jazz Can Change Your Life,
New York, Random House, 2008,
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Stanford UP, 1958,
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Academic, 2004,
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pamphlet, 1959,
Bruce A. Ronda, Elizabeth Palmer Peabody: A Reformer on Her Own Terms,
Cambridge, Harvard UP, 1999.
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