EFTA00114850.pdf

1 2 3 4 DIGITALLY RECORDED 5 SWORN STATEMENT 6 OF 7 8 9 OIG CASE #: 10 2019-010614 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 19 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL 20 JULY 20, 2021 21 22 23 24 25 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 EFTA00114850 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 APPEARANCES: 2 3 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL 4 BY: 5 BY: 6 7 8 WITNESS: 9 10 11 12 OTHER APPEARANCES: 13 NONE 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EFTA00114851 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. : This is Special Agent 2 Today is Thursday, July 15, 2021. The 3 time is 4:03 p.m. and I've turned on the 4 recorder. My name is I'm a 5 Special Agent with the U.S. Department of 6 Justice, Office of Inspector General, New York 7 Field Office and these are my credentials. 8 MS. : Okay. 9 MR. : This interview is with the 10 Federal Bureau of Prisons Correctional Officer 11 and this interview is being conducted as 12 part of an official U.S. Department of Justice, 13 Office of Inspector General investigation. 14 Today is July 15, 2021. The time is 4:04 p.m. 15 This interview is being conducted at the 16 Metropolitan Correctional Center located at 150 17 Park Rowed. We are in the Executive 18 Assistant's office. Also present is DOJ OIG 19 Senior Special Agent and CO 20 . This interview will be recorded by me, 21 Special Agent . Could everyone 22 please identify themselves for the record and 23 spell your last name. To start, I am DOJ OIG 24 Special Agent 25 MR. : I'm Senior Special Agent EFTA00114852 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 4 1 also 2 with the DOJ OIG. 3 MR. : Can you please state your 4 first and last name? 5 MR. : Oh, and these are my 6 credentials just so you do know. 7 MS. : Okay. I'm Correctional 8 Systems Officers S. with 9 the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Department of 10 Justice. 11 MR. : This is an official DOJ OIG 12 investigation into the death of inmate Jeffery 13 Epstein and the surrounding circumstances. You 14 are being asked to voluntarily provide answers 15 to our questions. Will you agree to a 16 voluntary interview with the DOJ OIG? 17 MS. : Yes. 18 MR. : Please review DOJ OIG form 3- 19 226/2. The form basically states, "United 20 States Department of Justice, Office of 21 Inspector General, Warnings and Assurances to 22 Employee Requested to Provide Information on a 23 Voluntary Basis. You are being asked to 24 provide information as part of an investigation 25 being conducted by the Office of Inspector EFTA00114853 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 5 1 General. This investigation is being conducted 2 pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, 3 as amended. Thise investigation pertains to 4 job performance failure and security failure." 5 It's in general. It has nothing to do with you 6 directly, it's in general, the investigation 7 we're doing. "This is a voluntary interview. 8 Accordingly, you do not have to answer 9 questions. No disciplinary action will be 10 taken against you if you choose not to answer 11 questions. Any statement you furnish may be 12 used as evidence in any future criminal 13 proceedings or agency disciplinary proceedings 14 or both." The waiver states, "I understand the 15 warnings and assurances stated above and I am 16 willing to make a statement and answer 17 questions. No promises or threats have been 18 made to me or no pressure or coercion of any 19 kind has been used against me." Please review 20 the document and let me know if you understand. 21 If you do understand, please sign the document 22 where it says, "Employee signature," and print 23 your name. 24 MR. : And just for the record, 25 it doesn't basically state what you just said, EFTA00114854 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 6 1 it actually states everything that you just 2 read. 3 MR. : It states that. I used the 4 word "basically states," I shouldn't have said 5 that. 6 MS. : Okay. And I sign at employee 7 sig-. 8 MR. : It says, "Employee 9 signature," and print your name right below 10 I itthcro. 11 MR. : Oh, do you have any 12 questions on that before we go, just you can 13 totally ask (Indiscernible *00:03:35). 14 MS. : Okay. No. 15 MR. : Just, I mean, the long 16 and -- 17 MS. : Date and time? 18 MR. : -- short of it is 19 MR. : I'll put it in there. 20 MR. we can do that. But 21 then just the long and short of it is, it's 22 voluntary. You do not have to answer 23 questions. You can leave at any time. 24 MS. : Okay. 25 MR. : That's the purpose, for EFTA00114855 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 you just to -. 2 MR. : So you understand the form 3 and agree to the form. 4 MS. : Yes. 5 MR. : This is Special Agent 6 I'm signing on the signature of the Office of 7 Inspector General, Special Agent. 8 MR. : This is Senior Special 9 Agent . I'll be signing as 10 the witness, printing my name as a witness, 11 entering the date and time as July 15, 2021 at 12 4:07 p.m. and the place MCC New York. 13 MR. : Before starting the 14 interview, I'd like to place you under oath. 15 Ms. , can you please raise your right 16 hand? Do you swear to tell the truth and 17 nothing but the truth during this interview? 18 MS. : I do. 19 MR. : Please - you can put your 20 hand down. 21 MS. : Oh, okay. 22 MR. : Please let me know if you 23 don't understand my questions and I'll try to 24 repeat it or try to rephrase it for you. 25 MS. : Okay. EFTA00114856 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 8 1 MR. : I want to again, clarify this 2 interview is specifically regarding inmate 3 Jeffrey Epstein on August 9th and 10th, 2019. 4 I'm going to go through some background 5 questions. What is your current home address? 6 MS. : My current home address? 7 MR. : Yes. 8 MS. : Why is that relevant for 9 this? 10 MR. : As part of our investi-. 11 MR. : You don't have to provide 12 that. 13 MS. : Oh yeah, I don't want to -- 14 MR. : Yeah. 15 MS. : -- give my address. 16 MR. : If you have anything - 17 any kind of, like a FIX, card you can show us 18 just so we can verify who it is that you are? 19 MS. : You know what? I left it at 20 my desk. 21 MR. : That's okay. Do you mind 22 providing us your date of birth and your last 23 four of your social security number? 24 MS. : Yes. is my date 25 of birth and last four of my social, EFTA00114857 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 9 1 MR. : What is your highest level of 2 education? 3 MS. : Master's degree. 4 MR. : Okay. In what? 5 MS. : Inspector General 6 investigations, fraud, waste, abuse—ef 7 corrcction or wcorruption, organizational 8 assessment and monitoring. 9 MR. : You know more about this 10 stuff than us then. 11 MR. : Which college? 12 MS. : John Jay. 13 MR. : And what about bachelors? 14 MS. : My bachelors was correctional 15 administration. 16 MR. : What did you do prior to 17 working for the BOP? 18 MR. : Ask her about where this 19 stuff was and when she got these degrees. 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MS. : I got my masters in 2017. 22 got my BA in I believe 2006. 23 MR. : Also from John Jay-? 24 MS. : Yes. 25 MR. : Okay. And what - so prior to EFTA00114858 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 working for the BOP, what did you do? 2 MS. : Juvenile corrections. 3 MR. : Where? 4 MS. : Virginia. 5 MR. : Is that with the state? 6 City? 7 MS. : Yeah. State Department of 8 Juvenile Justice. 9 MR. : Was that directly before the 10 BOP? 11 MS. : Yes. 12 MR. : What years? I you don't 13 recall -. 14 MR. : They can be approximate. 15 MR. : Estimate, yeah. 16 MS. : Approximately, I think 2006 17 or `07 to 2009, when I started here. 18 MR. : Okay. Do you have any 19 military service? 20 MS. : No. 21 MR. : And how long have you served 22 with the Federal Bureau of Prisons? 23 MS. : Approximately now, 2009, 2019 24 is 10 years, 20, 21, going on 11 and a half 25 years. EFTA00114859 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 11 1 MR. : Eleven and a half years? And 2 when was your enter on duty date? 3 MS. : 9/13/2009. 4 MR. : When did you graduate from 5 BOP training? 6 MS. : I don't remember that. I 7 don't -. 8 MR. : When did you begin your 9 career here at MCC? 10 MS. • : March of 2011. 11 MR. ■ : And what was your position at 12 that point? 13 MS. : Correctional Officer. 14 MR. : What is your current 15 positionempes4t-ieft? 16 MS. : Correctional Systems Officer. 17 MR. : And what's your regular 18 schedule right now? 19 MS. : 12:00 to 8:00 Monday through 20 Friday. 21 MR. : Do you -. 22 MR. : What does your position 23 entail? What is that? 24 MS. : Receiving and discharge, 25 movement. I deal with state risk, federal EFTA00114860 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 12 1 risk, detainers, pending charges, warrants, 2 what else? 3 MR. : And that's outside of 4 custody? 5 MS. : Yes. 6 MR. : Okay. What is your grade 7 level? 8 MS. : GS-8. 9 MR. : Eight? Okay. 10 MS. : Uh-huh. 11 MR. : What was your position on 12 August 9th and 10th, 2019? 13 MS. : I was a Correctional Systems 14 Officer, but I was working overtime in custody. 15 What a minutes. I don't even know what day 16 that is. 17 MR. : August 9th is a Friday. 18 MS. Uh-huh. 19 MR. : And August 10th is Saturday. 20 I can provide you the daily assignment ics and 21 *Se—roster -- 22 MS. : And what -. 23 MR. : -- for the MCC -- 24 MS. : Okay. 25 MR. : -- and that's for August 9th EFTA00114861 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 13 1 and 10th. If you look at it, you'll be able to 2 3 MR. : And provide her -- 4 MS. : This is two -. 5 MR. : -- provide her also her 6 timesheet. 7 MR. : Yes. Is this your timesheet 8 for the same time period? 9 MR. : Show her the columns 10 (Indiscernible *00:08:55). 11 MS. : Okay. 12 MR. : It's (Indiscernible 13 *00:08:58). 14 MS. : I normally write everything 15 on a calendar, but looks like my timesheet. 16 MR. : So, the timesheet is for 17 August 4th all the way to August 17th. For the 18 9th, where does this timesheet show that you 19 worked? 20 MS. : This - it doesn't show where 21 you're working, it just shows the hours you've 22 worked. 23 MR. : Is it coded under a certain 24 entry? 25 MR. : Well just ask her, do you EFTA00114862 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 14 1 know by looking at these documents, do you know 2 where on August 9th and August 10th you were 3 working? This is not an, "I got you," 4 whatsoever. Just like, do you recall on August 5 9th(Indiscernible *00:10:03) working? 6 MS. : Well, I know that this is a 7 custody overtime code for the overtime sheets. 8 So this is -. 9 MR. : If it doesn't state, that's 10 okay. 11 MS. : It's possible, because I do 12 I was working a lot of overtime, so. But I 13 can't recall off the top of my head. But I 14 know I did work the evening of the Epstein 15 situation, so. 16 MR. : When you say "evening."? 17 MS. : The morning he hung himself. 18 MR. : Okay. So according to the 19 August 10th schedule, find yourself on the 20 schedule? 21 MS. : Uh-huh. 22 MR. : What were you listed for? 23 MS. : Control one. 24 MR. : Control one. Okay. Do you 25 recall being interviewed by - recall EFTA00114863 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 15 1 interviewing with the OIG regarding the Epstein 2 investigation in 2019? 3 MS. : I remember being interviewed, 4 yes. 5 MR. : Okay. What I have is a 6 summary off a report written by the FBI. Was 7 the FBI also present? 8 MS. : Yes. 9 MR. : We did get a copy of it 10 because OIG was present for the interview also. 11 I'm going to read a portion of the interview 12 record for you. 13 MR. : Does it state when she 14 worked on August 9 and 10? That might help 15 clarify things. 16 MR. : For the 10th it does. And 17 so, I'm going to read it. As I read through 18 it, it's just summary for the record. Please 19 tell me if there's any corrections and let me 20 know -- 21 MS. : Okay. 22 MR. and we'll address it. 23 "Control's duties includeing monitoring the 24 activity on the ranges, answering calls from 25 COs, replying on the radio and opening doors." EFTA00114864 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 16 1 MS. : Monitoring - you - at that 2 time, we didn't have cameras on the ranges so 3 you could only see the center, which is like, 4 they consider it the MPA, multi-purpose area of 5 the unit. You are not able to see down the 6 actual ranges of the units, so no. I wouldn't 7 say, "The ranges," I would say, "The multi- 8 purpose area." 9 MR. : Multi-purpose area of the 10 ranges. "And ," did I pronounce it 11 right? 12 MS. : Uh-huh. 13 MR. stated that no one is 14 really moving anywhere within the institution. 15 A count sheet is called the E-1 and it is 16 printed off from the internal MCC system called 17 SENTRY. Control validates all respondent 18 numbers from the head counts and marks an X on 19 the E-1 sheet to confirm the count. This 20 happens for every check of every unit. E-ls 21 are supplemented with count slips that are 22 properly filled out and stapled to the E-1 23 timesheet. Once all head count numbers are 24 verified to be correct, everything is 25 documented, recorded and then considered to be EFTA00114865 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 17 1 a good count. began her shift on August 2 10th at 12:00 midnight to 8:00 a.m. 3 stated that Lieutenant took care of 4 the 12 o'clock count that day." I'm going to 5 pause right there. I'm going to ask you a 6 question. Do you recall coming on shift that 7 day? 8 MS. : Yes. 9 MR. : Do you recall the first count 10 would be at 12:00 midnight? 11 MS. : Yes. 12 MR. : And were you in Control when 13 the count happened? 14 MS. : Yes. 15 MR. : Who took the count? 16 MS. : I don't remember at that 17 time. I don't remember all this time ago, but 18 if I said the Lieutenant took the count at that 19 time, then that's who took the count, because 20 every Lieutenant is required to take a count, 21 one count per shift. 22 MR. : But you don't recall the 23 exact situation -. 24 MR. : I think what he's asking 25 was, was Lieutenant in the Control EFTA00114866 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 with you? 2 MS. : At some point in time, yes, 3 she was. 4 MR. : So if she was taking the 5 count, does that mean that she's doing from 6 Control? 7 MS. : Yes, she's doing it from 8 Control. 9 MR. : Okay. 10 MR. : Okay. recalled that 11 CO Thomas and this says CO Noel, but is 12 that Noel? 13 MS. : Noel. 14 MR. : "CO Noel worked in the SHU on 15 the day of the incident. stated that 16 Noel was fairly new. stated that she 17 does not pay specific attention to just one 18 individual screen during her shifts since so 19 much is going on. stated that extension 20 6468 is a number that is called for reporting 21 the count. If a Lieutenant is on the unit for 22 the count, then this is when it is considered a 23 watch call. On the 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. 24 watch calls, ran the counts. 25 recalled that the SHU called in the count of EFTA00114867 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 19 1 the day and that the count was accurate. 2 does not recall who called in the count 3 from the SHU but recalled that the number was 4 72. stated that there are folders that 5 are filed that are compiled with count 6 verification timesheets for every day of the 7 calendar year." 8 MS. : That is correct. 9 MR. : So I asked you, on August 10 10th, you said you worked at midnight in 11 Control. 12 MS. : Yes. 13 MR. : Do you recall if you worked 14 on August 9th? 15 MS. : I probably did. I don't 16 recall that, this far from now to then, but I 17 probably most likely worked that day and if 18 it's on the roster and it's on my timesheet, 19 most likely, yes. 20 MR. : But you wouldn't happen to 21 recall if you worked in internal or R&D? 22 MS. : I know I worked R&D because 23 that's my regular position and Custody, 24 anything I did in Custody would be considered 25 overtime for me. EFTA00114868 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 20 1 MR. : Okay. So, on August 9th, by 2 based on that, it wouldn't tell - would the 3 (Indiscernible *00:15:16). 4 MS. : It did say overtime. It did 5 say overtime in internal. 6 MR. : But internal is not - is that 7 the same as R&D? 8 MS. : No. R&D, this is 9 Correctional Services. R&D is Correctional 10 Systems. Those are two different departments. 11 This is custody and R&D is non-custody. 12 MR. : So by this, were you in 13 custody? 14 MS. : Yes. I was there. 15 MR. : Okay. So you were working in 16 internal, not in R&D. 17 MS. : Yes. 18 MR. : Okay. Do you recall who your 19 supervisor was when you worked at the MCC on 20 August 9th and 10th? 21 MS. : I would only know by looking 22 at this roster. , Lieutenant 23 MR. : So you report only to 24 or do you report to any other COs 25 MS. : No, she's the only supervisor EFTA00114869 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 on duty during that time. 2 MR. : During the night. And so 3 both days it was midnight to 8:00 a.m. 4 MS. : Yes. 5 MR. : Okay. Was she also a 6 supervisor? 7 MS. : Yes. 8 MR. : Are you familiar with inmate 9 Jeffrey Epstein? 10 MS. : Yes. 11 MR. : Did Jeffrey Epstein have a 12 cell mate? 13 MS. : Yes, he did. 14 MR. : Do you know who it was? 15 MS. : I don't know, but I know the 16 inmate went out to court I believe Friday and 17 he didn't come back from court. I don't know 18 if he got released from court, but he didn't 19 come back to the institution that day. 20 MR. : How do you know that? 21 MS. : Because I work in R&D. 22 MR. : So, is this from your 23 knowledge from working in R&D that day or on a 24 later date? 25 MS. : My knowledge of working in EFTA00114870 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 R&D that day. 2 MR. : So that's - okay. Because 3 according to this, you were in R&D -- 4 MS. : I was in R&D. 5 MR. : I mean, you're in 6 internal. 7 MS. : Right. But this is midnight. 8 My hours in R&D is from 12:00 to 8:00. 9 MR. : 12:00 to 8:00? So you did 10 work later in the shift -- 11 MS. : Right. 12 MR. : -- so that (Indiscernible 13 *00:16:56) be on the schedule at all. You're 14 not going to be on this roster. It's not going 15 to show you as 12:00 to 8:00. 16 MS. : Custody has a different 17 roster from my department roster. 18 MR. : Okay. 19 MS. : So you're not going to see my 20 department. My department hours would be that 21 - what you see on that timesheet and this is 22 considered overtime. So anything here, where 23 it says, "Additional," this is overtime because 24 you see the two shifts, the eight up here and 25 the eight at the bottom. EFTA00114871 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. : Okay. 2 MS. : And that's 16 hours for the 3 day. 4 MR. : So I'm going to go back and 5 clarify. On August 9th, you worked from 6 midnight to 8:00 a.m. -- 7 MS. : Uh-huh. 8 MR. : -- and you were in internal. 9 MS. : Yes. 10 MR. : And then after that, what was 11 your next shift? 12 MS. : That was Saturday, the next 13 day. That would be midnight the next night. 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MS. : These are all midnight 16 shifts. 17 MR. : Midnight shifts. But did you 18 work regular shifts those days? August 9th and 19 10th? 20 MS. : In my department? 21 MR. : Yeah, in R&D. 22 MS. : If it's a Friday and a 23 Thursday or a Friday and a Saturday. A 24 Saturday, I wouldn't be in my department, no. 25 MR. : What about Friday? EFTA00114872 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 24 1 MS. : Friday I'm in my department, 2 yes, because my department is Monday through 3 Friday. 4 MR. : And what's your regular time? 5 MS. : 12:00 to 8:00. I believe I 6 was working 12:00 to 8:00. I'm not sure. 7 MR. : That's midnight to 8:00, 8 right? But midnight to 8:00 -. 9 MS. : No, no, no, 12:00 p.m. in the 10 afternoon -- 11 MR. : 12:00 p.m. to 8:00. 12 MS. to 8:00 p.m. 13 MR. : To 8:00 p.m. So, according 14 to this, you were in internal from - on August 15 9th, from midnight to 8:00 a.m., then there was 16 a four hour break? Are you saying there was a 17 four hour break and then you worked from 18 MS. : I'm not sure right here based 19 on this because I might have been working 2:00 20 to 10:00 because I had to do 12:00 8:00 p.m. or 21 2:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. 22 MR. : Okay. 23 MS. : So, based on this, this says, 24 "Regular base." This might have been from the 25 day shift because this says, "Regular base," so EFTA00114873 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 25 1 this might have been, I worked midnight to 8:00 2 in the morning and then maybe 8:00 to 4:00 in 3 my department because I don't see no - well, I 4 don't recalled my duty hours in my department 5 at that time. 6 MR. : It's been a while. 7 MS. : I'm sorry. Yeah. 8 MR. : But to follow up though, 9 you said that you knew that Epstein's cell mate 10 had left because you were working in R&D, so 11 you probably want to follow up -- 12 MR. : Yeah. So -. 13 MR. : -- with that. 14 MS. : So we key inmates in and out 15 to court. 16 MR. : Okay. 17 MR. : So that - so, Reyes, how did 18 you first come to learn that he left? 19 MS. : Because we have to key them 20 out to go to court. I mean, I don't know 21 actually at that moment that he was Epstein's 22 cell mate, but when the comment came up that 23 his bunkie, they moved his bunkie, they put him 24 in a cell by himself, and when we learned who 25 that specific inmate was, that's how I became EFTA00114874 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 26 1 aware that, no, this guy went to court and he 2 was released from court, wherever he got 3 removed to. Never came back from court. 4 MR. : What do you mean they moved 5 his bunkie to a separate cell? 6 MS. : They kept saying Epstein was 7 put in a cell by himself, he didn't have a cell 8 mate. 9 MR. : Okay. 10 MS. : That was not the case, he did 11 have a cell mate, but he got released from 12 court or wherever it is the Marshals took him 13 to, that he didn't come back to MCC. But off 14 the top to say I knew that that was actually 15 his cell mate, I didn't know that until we 16 became aware of who the inmate was that got 17 released and went to court, because we don't 18 know who inmate's cell mates are just by 19 working in R&D, we just know their bed 20 assignment and what unit they're coming from. 21 MR. : No, working the R&D, are you 22 familiar with something called the court list? 23 MS. : Yes. 24 MR. : Was inmate Reyes's name on 25 the court list? EFTA00114875 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MS. : Yes. 2 MR. : Do you recall? 3 MS. : Yeah. Because I think that's 4 the guy we keyed out to court. 5 MR. : Okay. And what is a court 6 list? 7 MS. : A court list is something we 8 get from the Marshals. They'll send us over 9 just a roster of names of inmates to appear for 10 production to the court either going out on a 11 writes (Phonetic Sp. *00:21:13), being 12 transferred to another jail. A court list 13 consists of whatever type of movement that the 14 Marshals want the inmates for. It could be 15 appearing before a proffer to tell on somebody, 16 it could just be whatever it is that they need 17 them to appear for the court production for. 18 MR. : How do the Marshals send it 19 over? 20 MS. : They always email it or fax 21 it. 22 MR. : Who receives the email? 23 MS. : Everybody in R&D. 24 MR. : Do you recall who was working 25 in R&D that day? EFTA00114876 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MS. : No. 2 MR. : Everybody receives it. 3 MS. : Yeah, everybody in R&D 4 receives it, but I couldn't say off the -- 5 MR. : Yeah. 6 MS. : -- top of my head, "Oh, this 7 person worked," I don't remember who worked 8 with me that day. 9 MR. : So everybody that 10 actually is in R&D, you all get that same 11 MS. : Yeah. 12 MR. : -- court sheet, so it 13 doesn't matter who was working that day or not. 14 MS. : Right. 15 MR. : Everybody would have 16 gotten it. 17 MS. : Uh-huh. 18 MR. : Do you recall receiving that 19 email? 20 MS. : I don't recall receiving the 21 email, but I know we had a court list. 22 MR. : Who creates that court list? 23 MS. : Whoever is doing movement. 24 MR. : Okay. And what - so you just 25 mentioned all the inmates that's listed on EFTA00114877 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 29 1 there anything for movement and the Marshals 2 send it over -- 3 MS. : Uh-huh. 4 MR. : -- and they email it. And 5 what do you get? 6 MR. : Email or fax you said, 7 right? 8 MS. : Email or fax. 9 MR. : Or fax. 10 MR. : Is it (Indiscernible 11 *00:22:21) 12 MS. : Well, I believe they were 13 doing both email and faxing at that time. 14 MR. : So you get both. 15 MS. : Uh-huh. 16 MR. : Okay. 17 MR. : And once the list comes over, 18 and who did you say creates the court list? 19 MS. : The movement officer and if 20 the movement officer is not there, whoever is 21 filling in, it might be somebody in the front 22 desk. Just whoever is in the department, 23 they'll fill out the - complete the court list, 24 put it on a call out and get it prepared so 25 overnight, the officer who is internal can pass EFTA00114878 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 30 1 it out to the housing unit so the inmates are 2 aware when they wake up the next day or the 3 officer can say, "Hey, I got this inmate, I've 4 got to get him ready for court the next day." 5 MR. : Who is the movement officer? 6 MS. : I don't know if - I don't 7 know who was the movement officer at that time. 8 I don't know. 9 MR. : Okay. When do the -. 10 MR. : When you say a movement 11 officer, are you talking about control? 12 MS. : No. 13 MR. : I mean internal? 14 MS. : No. R&D. 15 MR. : R&D movement officer? 16 MS. : We have different position 17 yeah. 18 MR. : Okay. 19 MS. : We have different positions 20 in R&D where everybody had a different 21 function. 22 MR. : Okay. So is the movement 23 officer in R&D basically like will go into 24 internal with (Indiscernible *00:23:21)? 25 MS. : No, they are - they are like, EFTA00114879 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 31 1 they prepare the transfer orders if inmates are 2 moving out of the -- 3 MR. : Okay. 4 MS. institution. 5 MR. : So they're doing the 6 background of what the internal guy does 7 almost. 8 MS. : They don't have anything to 9 do with internal. 10 MR. : Okay. Because - okay. 11 Sorry. 12 MS. : It's - no. 13 MR. : I'm making more things 14 more (Indiscernible *00:23:38). 15 MS. : Nothing to do with internal. 16 It's just preparing inmates to move out of the 17 institution, preparing the production list for 18 inmates to - for a unit - for a list to be 19 disseminated to the housing units for the 20 officers to know what inmate has to appear in 21 court the next day. The movement officer might 22 draft up a - get a compile, like a medical 23 summary, transit order, anything that they need 24 to put together for an inmate to be released to 25 move out of the institution to be transferred. EFTA00114880 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 That's what the movement officer does. 2 MR. : Great. 3 MR. : Do you recall what your 4 position was in the R&D that day? 5 MS. : I might have been R&D. 6 MR. : Okay. 7 MS. : I might have been R&D. 1 8 don't believe I was movement but I might have 9 been R&D. 10 MR. : So as R&D, what would you 11 take care of? 12 MS. : Court movement, inmates going 13 in and out, keying them in and out, getting 14 inmates down to my area to get prepared for 15 court, tracking inmates going out to the 16 hospital, keying inmates going out to the 17 hospital, keying inmates coming back. 18 Basically, I would be responsible for like 19 inmates leaving in and out of the institution 20 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MS. : -- and preparing them to get 23 out of the institution. 24 MR. : We can take a step back. 25 When did the Marshals list normally come over? EFTA00114881 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 Do they send it over the night before? 2 MS. : Yes. 3 MR. : Evening before or they send 4 it the morning of? 5 MS. : The evening before. 6 MR. : Around what time? 7 MS. : I think it's always around 8 it's approximately between, I would say, maybe 9 3:00 and 5:00 or - yeah, between like 3:00 and 10 5:00, something like that. 11 MR. : Okay. And -. 12 MS. : Around that time frame. It's 13 not like a set time, it's whoever does it and 14 faxes it over and emails it. But it was about 15 maybe between 3:00 and 5:00 or 3:00 and 6:00, 16 something like that. 17 MR. : And then once R&D receives 18 it, you guys prepare a court list. 19 MS. : Uh-huh. 20 MR. : And what does it state on the 21 court list? 22 MS. : It's just a document, like a 23 SENTRY created document that show the inmate's 24 name, his housing unit, if he has a separatee 25 (Phonetic Sp. *00:25:49) in the institution and EFTA00114882 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 34 1 what time he has to come down to R&D to move 2 out for court, whether it be that he has court 3 in the a.m. or court in the p.m. 4 MR. : Okay. And would it state, 5 like, let's say if an inmate was leaving and 6 not coming back, would it state on there? 7 MS. : Yeah, it would say, "WAB," 8 but most often times, pre-trial is - because 9 they're not our inmates, they're Marshals 10 inmates, the Marshals can move them at any 11 given time and just forward us back a 12 disposition of the inmate leaving. "Inmate so 13 and so was released to Probation. Here's a cut 14 slip for you guys'r file -" - then we can go 15 ahead and key them out. But we don't key 16 inmates out WAB if they're going out to court. 17 We key them out - at that time, we were doing 18 what was considered an out count. We weren't 19 keying inmates out, we were keying them on an 20 out count so we know that we have an account of 21 who went out to court and we have an account of 22 who came back from court. 23 MR. : So are you saying that you 24 guys wouldn't remove the inmate completely from 25 the count, you would just leave them under the EFTA00114883 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 out count? 2 MS. : Yes. We would only remove 3 him if prior to that list, when we got the 4 list, it says, "Transferred WAB, we're sending 5 him somewhere to Brooklyn or he's going back to 6 the state," that night before we would know 7 that. But sometimes at the spur of the moment, 8 things might arise, a judge might give a person 9 time served, he might commit him to drug 10 treatment program, Probation might come and 11 pick him up. It could be a number of things 12 that take place at court that it might be just 13 a regular court proceeding but then he gets 14 released and he doesn't come back to the 15 institution. 16 MR. : Do you recall seeing inmate 17 Efrain Reyes's name on that list? 18 MS. : If he was on that list at 19 that time, then I've seen it, but I don't 20 recall now, speaking now, but at that time, 21 yeah, if his name was on the list, yes. 22 MR. : Do you recall if his - I know 23 you said you don't recall, but by any chance, 24 would you have known if he left WAB? What does 25 WAB stand for? EFTA00114884 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 36 1 MS. : With all belongings, meaning 2 they're being transferred either to an air 3 lift, transferred to another BOP, transferred 4 to another state institution, that the Marshals 5 will be transferring them to. 6 MR. : And you don't recall if he 7 do you recall if his name was on as WAB on that 8 list? 9 MS. : No. I don't recall that. 10 MR. : Okay. We'll come back in a 11 little bit. The court list that you guys 12 create, who does that get sent to? 13 MS. : It doesn't get sent to - it 14 gets sent to the unit officers. We don't email 15 it out, we make hard copies and the internal 16 officer comes around at night and he gives one 17 to each housing unit. 18 MR. : Around what time? 19 MS. : Depending on - any time 20 during from midnight to 8:00 in the morning. 21 They have up until to give out that. But most 22 likely, no later than 5:00 a.m., after the 5 23 o'clock count because at that time, that's when 24 the institution is opening up after the 5:00 25 a.m. count, then the inmates will have their EFTA00114885 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 37 1 breakfast and start preparing for whatever it 2 is their day entails. 3 MR. : Do you recall working that 4 morning in R&D and seeing inmate Reyes come 5 down? 6 MS. : I don't remember. 7 MR. : Okay. And when the list is 8 sent up to the units, what do they do w