EFTA01613664.pdf

Platform: iMessage Timezone: UTC+0000 • • 2017/11/22 Now? Jeffrey 11:02:26 am 7 12:16:07 pm • Tonight better. Or even better, tomorrow afternoon if that is ok with you. 12:34:23 pm Tomorrow perfect 12:34:52 pm • Perfect. Thank you! 12:35:19 pm Topics? Artificial intelligence? Bitcoin? Genetics? Brain/consciousness? 12:53:30 pm All of them! But maybe initially Al with when/how do we (Al eventually) get • consciousness 01:00:53 pm EFTA01613664  first, consciousness , definition. ? self aware? most of the things in your body happens without concious control. . so over rated. . musk fears danger. deepak chopra accepts no reality to worry. . I funded the father of Al marvin minsky for 20 years. I know the subject well 01:04:01 pm you should tell me what you have read 01:05:45 pm • Don't you fear danger like Musk? Very intrigued by Neuralink.... Did like Chopra at the beginning but have grown disappointed with him. Al fascinates me. It's rapid development. As well as how will Quantum Computing change the entire equation. • My question is how soon will Al gain consciousness? 01:24:05 pm you have to define consciousness. deepak is a friend and yes - lost . . feedback is already here. chomsky is here this weekend with me in florida he believes it is a silly question. as humans have consciousness , machines have feedback loops. so careful with terms 01:27:47 pm • I understand what you mean. And we go back to the basic question, what is consciousness... let's say then feelings... when will Al feel? And be able to communicate that feeling... and how will we know if it is real. 01:31:38 pm I am Chomsky's biggest fan! 01:32:25 pm • Very jealous.... 01:32:32 pm EFTA01613665  noam is great. we tease each other mercilessly - feeling is just words for the moment without a clear definition. careful using words. mathematics requires a model before understanding. we have no model of feelings. 01:34:33 pm noam now believes that language originates for internal thought . and only later pops out as communication between individuals 01:36:26 pm I will be more careful with words... but exactly my point. No mathematical model for feelings... therefore, that is what will make Al never like us... or will Al teach itself feelings 01:36:46 pm • Al has language... but no feelings yet 01:37:17 pm sorry , bad question. you are speaking in broad metaphors like the weather is happy today or sad. . humans have made a word "feelings" it has a roughly agreed meaning . no more no less. . curing said that asking whether a machine can think was too silly to answer. . machines compute, people think, birds fly, not airplanes 01:39:18 pm So that internal dialogue is what Noam believes sets us apart from other species? 01:39:56 pm You are being harsh... or maybe you are too intelligent and you will need to teach me... I like nothing more than learning • But if we become so cynical, then little to discuss apart from mathematical equations 01:41:18 pm EFTA01613666  if you mean harsh , as rigorous, yes i am. . as arrogant not at all. 01:42:15 pm • I like rigorous and I meant it in that way 01:42:38 pm Not at all arrogant. I can see how knowledgable you are. 01:42:52 pm math equations are not very useful , modeling is. . you need to have a mental model of things to try to " understand " them. we don't yet even have a definition of understanding , in computers math or people. . anyway talk tomorrow 01:43:35 pin you might find the website futurism useful or explore sinularity university 01:44:40 pm singularity 01:44:46 pm • Thank you! You have made me think and definitely challenged me... 01:44:46 pin I have done SU and I am subscribed to Futurism 01:45:14 pin Love Futurism. Goes to the point 01:45:27 pin Peter Diamantes Abundance Insider is great! 01:46:14 pm EFTA01613667  What other sources? 01:46:27 pm You seem to be far beyond me in knowledge... or maybe I just need a teacher. All self taught. Don't get the chance to talk to anyone about these subjects. 01:47:25 pin these are all friends. - . each one wonderfully crazy in their own way. . the art world however still leads . when hawking came to my island. and said his dream was to go diving , i ducted tape his head to a high back chair and loaded him in a private sub, great fun 01:47:27 pm • Why art world? 01:47:55 pm I am late for lunch. Let's talk tomorrow 01:48:06 pm V Read I am privileged to be a hobbyist in the rarefied sciences. . art world pushes the orthogonal thinking . usually way ahead of science. 01:48:42 pin art world requires intention . not understood at all yet 01:49:31 pm ✓ Sent • EFTA01613668