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*Main Topics: McCain's Oil Drilling Solution, McCain Courts The Females, Carly Makes the Rounds Summary of Shift: *Al Gore endorsement of Barack Obama was still a major focus of the morning news. As was the severe flooding that is currently ravaging the Mid-West. The Mississippi River continues to swell and overwhelm several levy systems causing mass flooding and devastation. New Orleans levy's are also still at risk. Floods in China have also wiped out small villages, already devastated by last month's earthquake, causing hundreds of deaths so far. Gay and lesbian couples in California have finally started being issued marriage licenses, and the presidential candidates positions on gay marriage was then covered. Tiger Woods epic battle to win the USOpen was featured heavily, as was a new study linking drinking coffee to fighting heart disease. Tim Russert's wake and funeral are taking place in DC today and tomorrow. The Taliban have seized control of several villages and continue their uprising against the Afghani Government, after their high-scale prison break. Karzai has promised to send in more troops. McCain's attacks on Obama's Iraq stance and calls for him to visit the area and meet with the commanders on the ground were scrutinized, especially now that Obama has announced his upcoming trip there. Some wonder if he is playing into McCain's hand. The recent polls showing the gender gap continue to be a focus for commentary by surrogates from both parties. Carly Fiorina made the rounds, speaking on several stations about McCain's push for Hillary Clinton supporters. McCain's new plan and upcoming speech on new oil drilling was also featured. Highlights: 1.) Carly Fiorina Makes the Rounds a. Carly Fiorina Talks About Oil Drilling and Women Voters For McCain b. Scarborough Hits Fiorina on McCain's Tax Cuts Flip-Flop 2.) McCain the Ladies Man a. McCain Aggressively Courting Women Voters, But Does He Even Have a Chance? b. McCain's Edge and Weaknesses (Women, Hispanics, Age) Examined 3.) Morning Joe Highlights Gorge Will's WaPo Editorial Calling Out McCain on his Position on Guantanamo Ruling 4.) Richard Haass Discusses the Difficulty of Labeling the Surge as Effective or Ineffective 5.) Scarborough: "I was a conservative's conservative but I took Greenpeace's position on offshore oil drilling." 6.) McCain's Lack of Energy and Enthusiasm During Energy Speech Mocked 7.) Scarborough Defends Lobbyists on Either Campaign 8.) Morning Joe Pans New MoveOn Ad: "Probably Going to Backfire" 9.) McCain's Gay Marriage Stance Examined 10.) Fox and Friends Covers Presidential Candidates Smoking Habits (No Clip) 11.) CNN Covers McCain Going After Obama On "Bitter" Comments & Not Visiting Iraq (No Clip). 12.) MSNBC reports on Cindy stealing recipes. (No Clip). 13.) MSNBC does a story on polls, asking if McCain is an "underdog" (No Clip). 14.) There Will Be Oil a. Local DC News Discuss McCain's Plans for Offshore Drilling (No Clip). b. Local DC News Reports on McCain's New Environment Ad. Clips: Highlight #1 *Carly Fiorina Talks About Oil Drilling and Women Voters For McCain* (CNN 06/17/08 7:26am) JOHN ROBERTS: John McCain now saying that he supports offshore drilling, to find more U.S. oil. Right now there's a federal ban in place that stops states that might want to, from allowing oil drilling. Will it set up a battle in some key swing states this election year? Here to talk about that and McCain's efforts to gain more women voters is Carly Fiorina. She's the senior advisor for the McCain campaign, also the former CEO and chairwoman of HewlettPackard. […] Tell me a little bit about this proposal senator McCain will issue later on today to lift the federal moratorium on offshore drilling. Critics are saying it's not much more than an outreach for contributions from the oil and gas industry and maybe to try to take a swing at voters in Virginia, a state considering offshore drilling if it had the authority to do so. CARLY FIORINA: John McCain begins a serious of conversations today with the American people about our energy crisis. He will talk as well about what it will take to achieve energy independence. John McCain first began talking about this subject about a year ago. Since then it's important to remember the price of oil has doubled in just a year. So clearly these are extraordinary times. He is proposing both a series of short term and long term measures. To your specific question, yes. He's calling for a lifting of the ban on offshore, off continental shelf drilling. It will still be up to the states to decide whether they will permit such drilling. Obviously this is a time now where we need to tap all of our own reserves of oil, natural gas, coal. He proposes basic research into clean coal. We need more sources of energy of our own. ROBERTS: Some polls are suggesting that the majority of Americans may support a proposal to increase offshore drilling on the coast of the United States. But this proposal would also put him at odds with environmentalists who say it flies in the face of his plans to curb global warming. The real rich prize here in all of this, Florida. Governor Kris is well opposed, and environmentalists in the state of Florida are very much opposed to offshore drilling there. Could he ever get this through? FIORINA: Ultimately, of course, as I said it will be up to the states to decide. Florida will have a decision to make. *It's also important to remember that McCain has consistently said that the U.S. must take a lead in curbing global warming.* It is why, despite his call for the lifting of this ban, he also will repeat today once again that he believes we must preserve pristine wildernesses like ANWR, like the grand canyon. He does not propose drilling there. Again, this is a time now where we are in foreign debt paying for foreign oil where the price of gas goes up every day. And so in addition to short-term solutions like the gas tax holiday which he has proposed for several months now, he also wants to talk to the American people about the longer-term solutions. Which are mining our own energy more effectively. But also turning to green technologies, nuclear power, all of those things that will help us achieve independence from foreign oil. ROBERTS: Let me switch gears here a little bit. There's a battle raging on the campaign trail for disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters. You're involved in this outreach, you were on a conference call with John McCain other the weekend. Barack Obama is taking aim at this outreach to women saying quote about Senator McCain, *"he has opposed equal pay, he has opposed the chip that's the health care program that would make children insured, he opposed efforts to protect women against some of the discrimination that they experience in the workplace," now that's not going to be a track record that's going to be very appealing to women. *How do you respond? FIORINA: Well first I think, John McCain has a very particular view about the role of government and he doesn't believe government should be regulating pay. Although, he certainly agrees that women need to be treated equally in the workplace. But very specifically, what I would say is this. No one should be taking the women's vote for granted. They represent 52% of the voting public. They start small businesses at twice the rate as men, the small businesses is the engine growth in this economy. So what John McCain is talking to women about is the fact that they are an economic and political force. He wants to talk to them about issues that matter to their pocketbooks. They manage the family budget, for example. ROBERTS: But according to recent polls Senator Obama has got a huge advantage in women voters. As much as 13% in some polls. FIORINA: *That lays out the challenge for us to make sure that women understand who John McCain is. What he stands for. And the reality is, that I have met many many women across this country who are very open-minded and eager to understand John McCain. I think that represents a huge opportunity for us. I think we'll narrow that gap considerably.* *Scarborough Hits Fiorina on McCain's Tax Cuts Flip-Flop* (MSNBC 06/17/08 7:52am) JOE SCARBOROUGH: Now let's bring in somebody on the straight talk express. McCain economic adviser Carly Fiorina. Carly, has the straight talk express gone into the ditch like Barack Obama suggests? CARLY FIORINA: Well, ou know, it's a great laugh line but it just isn't true. I think it's once again an ample of rhetoric not matching the reality. John McCain has a long track record of putting his country before his party. He has a long track record of standing up to his party and President Bush, when necessary. And that's no more clearer than on the subject of energy independence, which he will talk about today and begin a substantive dialogue with the American people on that all important subject. SCARBOROUGH: Let's talk about taxes, though. Early in the Bush administration John McCain was one of only two republicans who voted against the Bush tax cut. He said America couldn't afford it and it was, in effect, tax cuts for the rich. Now, as we go into this campaign, that's going to be one of his top issues. He wants to renew George Bush's tax cut. That's not straight talk, is it? FIRORINA: Actually, it is straight talk because he was absolutely right, which he usually is. We couldn't afford those tax cuts. . .when they were passed the first time. And that's because he said at the time that tax cuts must be coupled with a reduction in government spending. This Republican president, George Bush, and a Republican congress, have presided over a 55% increase in the size of domestic government spending in the last seven years. SCARBOROUGH: Exactly. Carly— FIORINA: That's out of control government. SCARBOROUGH: Carly, hold on one second though. When those tax cuts were passed we had a balanced budget. We were coming off a $150 billion surplus. This year in 2008, we're going to run the biggest deficit in the history of America. FIORINA: That's right. SCARBOROUGH: Now it's time to cut taxes? If we couldn't afford tax cuts in 2002 we sure as hell can't afford them in 2008, can we? FIORINA: Well, I actually disagree. Our economy is in difficulty. Now is not the time to raise taxes. 23 million small businesses file taxes as individuals. Those 23 small businesses would see the largest tax increase in American history. It is absolutely essential that spending in Washington be reformed, which John McCain will do, and John McCain will be able to balance the budget by the end of his first term. But let me just say— SCARBOROUGH: H-how will he do that? FIORINA: --it is Barack Obama who is proposing to raise taxes of every conceivable type. He admitted as much when he said the other day, well, maybe I would postpone my tax increases because they might harm the economy. And he's will said that all of his spending proposals are paid for. The only way that's possible is if he is raising taxes by a huge margin. SCARBOROUGH: I want to talk ab— FIORINA: --the way we're going to balance the budget is to grow the economy as well as reduce federal government spending. SCARBOROUGH: We've been talking about Barack Obama and how his numbers don't add up all morning. He wants to increase spending and he also wants to cut corporate taxes. Let's go back to John McCain. And I really want to lean in on this issue because I just want to understand where Senator McCain is coming from and where you're coming from this morning. You said John McCain was against tax cuts in 2002 and he was right to be against tax cuts in 2002 because we couldn't afford them, because they weren't spending cuts. FIORINA: That's right. SCARBOROUGH: Now you just said after six or seven years of some of the biggest, most wasteful spending in American history, now John McCain says, with a largest deficit in American history, probably coming in 2008, now you're saying we can afford those tax cuts? Spending is worse than it's ever been in American history. FIORINA: What he is saying is two things. One, to repeal those tax cuts now would be in essence to levee the single largest tax increase in American history. You do not increase— SCARBOROUGH: We can't afford it, can we? FIORINA: Joe, let me just finish my sentence. Uh, you do not increase taxes when the economy is in grave difficulty. But he has also very quickly said that we must absolutely reduce federal spending. And he would propose to do that in a couple of very specific ways. One, he would put a freeze on all increases and discretionary spending over the next year. Two, he would review every single federal government program and post that on the internet for every American citizen to see. Three, he would veto absolutely every bill that had wasteful pork barrel spending on it. All of those bills, by the way, Barack Obama supported, whether it was the Farm Bill, whether it was the 2005 energy bill that Dick Cheney and President Bush supported. Only John McCain stood up and said, no. You're right. It's absolutely essential that we cut government spending. But the one man who knows how to do that is John McCain. But what we don't do increase taxes when our economy is going through a very difficult time. SCARBOROUGH: Certainly, if he does those three things that you said he did, wanted to do, freezing discretionary spending and putting all of these wasteful programs up on the internet, he certainly will be doing something that George Bush hasn't done over the past six, seven years. FIORINA: Absolutely. SCARBOROUGH: And also something that John McCain has been one of the few Republicans in Washington that has been a champion, at least a fiscal restraint on the spending side. Highlight #2 *McCain Aggressively Courting Women Voters, But Does He Even Have a* * Chance?* (CNN 6/17/08 6:25am) JOHN ROBERTS: The battle for women voters on the most politics in the morning. John McCain might not be wearing a pant suit but he is trying to peel off disaffected supporters of Hillary Clinton. It's looking like it might be a tough go for McCain though. A recent Gallup tracking poll shows Barack Obama with a 13 percent advantage among women voters. So are women a lock for Obama? Let's ask Patricia Murphy. […] So, John McCain actively courting Hillary Clinton supporters. But let's listen to a little of what he said in his appeal. [McCain Clip Shown] So there you go, the active outreach. Does McCain have any kind of a chance with these hard lined Hillary supporters? What are you hearing from them on your website? PATRICIA MURPHY: Well, I think he has a chance with some of them. There has been some recent polling that most of those Hillary Clinton supporters, about 60 percent of them, have already decided to go for Barack Obama. But among that 40 percent that's left, we got about 20 percent I think that John McCain does have a shot with. 20 percent of those women are probably going to go off with Barack Obama eventually because he's so similar to Hillary Clinton on policy issues. *But a lot of women that I'm hearing from, and I get emails from them all the time, are saying that either Barack Obama doesn't have the experience to be president, Hillary Clinton did, John McCain is their next choice.* And the rest of them are just worried about how it all ended for Hillary Clinton, they are still very disappointed, they may go over to Obama but they're very open to supporting John McCain. […] The women who are still open to John McCain are still the ones who think that experience is more important than someone who's going to bring change. JOHN ROBERTS: On that point, Barack Obama is ridiculing John McCain's outreach to these women, saying that he's wrong on every issue that matters to women voters. But, among white women at least, as we saw during the primaries, Barack Obama ran into some trouble. Hillary Clinton won white women running away. Does he have some work to do to court that very very important voting block this November? MURPHY: He does, he has some work to do. He's very lucky he has a lot of women's groups who are helping him to do that. And they are that the more that women know about John McCain and his record, particularly on abortion and Roe v. Wade, that they will come over to Barack Obama rather than John McCain. *But I will say, just because a candidate is pro-life doesn't mean they couldn't win the women's vote.* Reagan won the women's vote both times and George H. Bush won the vote. *So John McCain has an opening. * *McCain's Edge and Weaknesses (Women, Hispanics, Age) Examined* (ABC 06/17/08 7:05) DIANE SAWYER: We heard what Senator Obama had to say about that, just 6 point spread between Senator McCain. What's the reason for this? Closer than it should be? GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: *It is closer than it should be, Diane, because if you look at some other numbers, the fact that President Bush is at a record low approval rating, the fact that 84 percent of the country thinks that we're going in the wrong direction.* *That should indicate that Barack Obama should be farther ahead,* but if you look at the key question of experience that may be what's holding him back. Only 50 percent of voters say that he has the experience to be president. A full 46 percent say no, he doesn't have the experience. They're going to have to work on that, that's one of the reasons they're going on these foreign trips. *There also seems to be an age factor here,* Diane. Barack Obama winning big with under 30 voters. Voters under the age of 30, 2-to-1, 63 to 30 but he is losing voters that are 65 and older. He is losing them by about 12 points. And it's the older voters who are the most reliable voters, the ones who are most certain to vote in November. SAWYER: That's right. Those are the one's you can count on to show up at the polls. Traditionally, anyway. Which means, I guess, the battleground are middle-aged voters and of course, what about the independents? STEPHANOPOULOS: Let's take a look at those numbers. You look at those two groups, and you got a dead heat going on right now. Voters, aged 30-64, those middle of the road, independent voters, they're breaking right down the middle. This is going to be a key battleground for both campaigns in to November. You know, Jake's up in Detroit up in Michigan, I'm here in Ohio this morning. *I think you can look to this election to be fought over middle-aged, middle of the road politically voters, right here in the middle of the country. * SAWYER: Now Senator Clinton's voters, we've all been asking over the past month, are they going to stick with the democratic party or not? What did we learn from the poll? I know Hispanics, surprisingly went to Obama fairly heavily. But what about the rest? STEPHANOPOULOS: Big time, Hispanics going 7-to-2 for Barack Obama. But Senator Clinton supporters are still holding back a little bit. You got about a 1⁄4 of Senator Clinton supporters now saying that they're going to vote for John McCain. If that number stays that high it's going to be difficult for Barack Obama to win. Here's another danger sign for Obama. He is losing married white women. Married white women to John McCain by 20 points. Now, George W. Bush won married white women as well but this is a huge gap that Obama has to close if he's going to do well. And I noticed in J. Tapper's interview there that Senator Obama is hitting on things like this children's health program like the issue of choice, that was designed to target these women voters. SAWYER: And finally, the issue of race and age, the two sort-of enflamed categories out there. STEPHANOPOULOS: So far race doesn't seem to play a huge factor, in this race Diane. 23 percent of voters say that it's a factor, but they split pretty evenly between Obama and McCain. *Age is a much bigger factor, 40 percent of the voters are saying they care about age and of those 40 percent they break very heavily by more than 20 points for Barack Obama over John McCain.* * *Highlight #3 *Morning Joe Highlights Gorge Will's WaPo Editorial Calling Out McCain on his Position on Guantanamo Ruling* (MSNBC 06/17/08 6:40am) JOE SCARBOROUGH: And the Washington Post, George Will . . . "The day after the Supreme Court ruled that detainees imprisoned at Guantanamo are entitled to seek habeas corpus hearings, John McCain called it one of the worst decisions in the history of the country . . . does it rank with Dred Scott v. Sanford (1857)" [not read but displayed on screen, editorial continues: "which concocted a constitutional right . . . to hold slaves . . . ] SCARBOROUGH: "Did McCain extravagant condemnation of the court's habeas ruling result from his reading of the 126 pages of opinions and dissents? More likel More likely some clever ignoramus convinced him that this decision would make the Supreme Court – meaning [which] candidates would select the best judicial nominees -- a campaign issue." And actually I think it will make it a campaign issue. So that clever ignoramus actually is clever because it does bring the Supreme Court into it. Highlight #4 *Richard Haass Discusses the Difficulty of Labeling the Surge as Effective or Ineffective *(MSNBC 06/17/08 7:22am) RICHARD HAASS: [No matter] who's the next president, we are going to gradually dial down our prescience but we're not going to withdraw . . . we're going to have withdrawals . . . where we'll cut back troops. But the United States is going to be in Iraq at a gradually reducing level for years to come. JOE SCARBOROUGH: You know, we look at these stories and it's very easy to say: President Bush's surge worked. But there's actually an article in a recent Foreign Affairs that said it didn't work. That it's actually encouraging all the bad things to move forward. HAASS: I think what the surge did is it recognized the principal reality: you've got to get the security situation right. . . and what mattered was less than increase in troops than the change in strategy . . .it wasn't the only thing . . . but it was one important thing. SCARBOROUGH: You and Fareed Zakaria wrote about the United States standing in the world. It sounds like 1973 or 1979 all over again. People talking about how . . . the sun is setting . . . is a long term existence in Iraq, Afghanistan . . . is that a great threat to the United States. . . ? Are we being bled dry? HAASS: No. We will be in places for years to come and we need to be. . . what we've gotta do is get our political and economic foundations right . . . we've got to reduce some of our military presence, we can't stay large everywhere but there's no way the United States can withdraw from the world . . . SCARBOROUGH: But there's no way we can stay in Iraq with a 150,000 troops. HAASS: And we won't. We should and we don't need to . . . my hunch is over the next four years, whoever is the next president we'll see less troops in Iraq, more in Afghanistan and continuing problems in Pakistan. . . SCARBOROUGH: You're not wringing your hands now over the state of Iraq. Things are going in a better direction. HAASS: I'd say in a better direction. But I say that without high confidence about the future. And even a better direction doesn't mean anything remotely looking like a normal country yet . . . [. . .] JOHN RIDLEY: . . . we have a poll of Americans in terms of foreign policy, trusting who could be president. John McCain is still narrowly beating Barack Obama. You'd think one of the lessons we learned over the last few years is we need a leader who's going to get the world galvanized together and it seems that the world is very excited over Barack Obama. . . will that make a big difference? HAASS: It's really important because there's very little the United States can solve in the world on its own . . . we've got to be multilateral, like it or not.* * * *Highlight #5 *Scarborough: "I was a conservative's conservative but I took Greenpeace's position on offshore oil drilling."* (MSNBC 06/17/08 8:13am) WILLIE GEIST: [quoting headline] "McCain Seeks to End Offshore Drilling Ban" This is his aggressive response to high gas prices . . . a reversal of the position he's taken over the years and maybe a risky one for him? CHUCK TODD: Ask Joe. I want to put the question to Joe. Can you name the last time a Republican got elected in the state of Florida for being for lifting the ban on offshore oil drilling? JOE SCARBOROUGH: When I ran in 1994 in Northwest Florida I was this right-wing nutjob . . . I was conservative's conservative but I took Greenpeace's position on offshore drilling. No offshore drilling in Northwest Florida. [. . .] SCARBOROUGH: By the way, Jeb Bush, Connie Mack, all conservatives, all took that position. TODD: I think that what McCain did, look, it's a pragmatic approach, he can make the pragmatic argument on this, saying, look, I believe that we've gotta work on these issues that are affecting climate change . . . but he's trying to argue, hey, we also need to have some shortcuts here . . . and maybe that means drilling offshore . . . but I tell you, McCain, maybe he thinks he has a big enough lead in Florida that he thinks he can risk this. But if I'm Obama today, I am doing everything I can to make sure that every single costal resident in the state of Florida knows that John McCain has somehow reversed himself on this issue. It is a potentially very vulnerable issue for McCain in Florida. That said, in the rust belt . . . those folks may say, "Hey, we gotta get oil from somewhere." It may be that McCain is kind of saying, ok I'm going to roll the dice here on Florida because I think I can make Obama look like too idealistic. . . * *Highlight #6 *McCain's Lack of Energy and Enthusiasm During Energy Speech Mocked* (FNC 06/17/08 6:20am) STEVE DOOCY: This afternoon down in Houston, at the Hilton American Airlines Hotel, John McCain is going to give a major energy speech. We know you are very concerned about the high cost of gasoline. […] But here's the thing, John McCain is going to say, we have got to lift off-shore drilling off the shores of states in the United States. He is still against drilling in ANWR, but now he's saying, hey things have changed. Just listen to this. [McCain Energy Speech Shown] BRIAN KILMEADE: Right, and of course, John McCain through the roof there with Vivarin and Red Bull. He's got to pick it up a little bit! *That's a major announcement Senator McCain! Show a little vigor please! I'm nodding off in the middle.* He's telling all the states, start drilling if you want, that's my idea. That's a major idea. Stop whispering. DOOCY: He's a guy, he's a little bit more soft-spoken then you Brian. And a little bit more soft-spoken then Barack Obama. ALISYN CAMEROTA: *Maybe he likes substance over style.* KILMEADE: Good point. Highlight #7 *Scarborough Defends Lobbyists on Either Campaign* (MSNBC 06/17/08 7:41am) JOE SCARBOROUGH: . . . it seems to me that some Washington insiders, while they like reform, are starting to get concerned . . . if you get a bunch of saints from outside of DC, who have no idea how Washington works, who have not had their hands stained at all by Washington, then things are going to start falling apart. Are you concerned that Obama has set the standard so high that it could cause him real problems in this campaign and beyond? RICHARD COHEN: Yes. I am concerned, not only he, but John McCain also, have set a standard in which they're looking for such pure people that they almost have no past. You can't have been a lobbyist . . . you can't have done this, you can't have done that. You need people with experience. I mean this government is very hard to administer, these enormous problems facing the country, you need people who have been around the block a little bit. Anybody who's been around the block is going to pick up something along the way that may not look good on television for a minute or two, but you gotta stick with them . . . SCARBOROUGH: And by disqualifying lobbyists! Let's face it, I don't know what people expect politicians and people that work in the administration to do . . . a lot of people that's how they work in between administrations. So if you disqualify lobbyists, you disqualify the smartest people in Washington COHEN: And the most knowledgeable people in Washington . . . a good lobbyist gets around, a good lobbyist is a first class gossip . . . when John McCain talks about lobbyists with disdain, I understand what he's talking about but at the same time some of his closest friends are lobbyists, they may not be on the campaign at the moment— SCARBOROUGH: Naw, he's got lobbyists involved in the campaign and Obama's got lobbyists involved in his campaign. That's the insanity of all of this. *Highlight #8* *Morning Joe Pans New MoveOn Ad: "Probably Going to Backfire"* (MSNBC 06/17/08 8:06am) JOE SCARBOROUGH: It appears that MoveOn.org is going to also weigh in on Iraq. WILLIE GEIST: We just got this in, this is exclusive, this is the first time you'll see it. An ad from MoveOn.org attacking John McCain on the war. [ad plays] JOHN RIDLEY: I don't think it's a good ad. I think it's a powerful ad . . . it starts as more like a Dove ad, for Dove soap, kind of nice, kind of pleasant and then it takes kind of a sharp turn. I have other issues with it, it's kind of flat . . . but if you're really going to be effective I need something that's going to emote me more than momentarily saying, "You can't have my kid a hundred years from now." Again, talk about subtlety and I don't quite want to use this word because I don't want to sound sexist, but shrill and the ad does feel in some ways shrill instead of touching me as a father . . . [ . . .] MIKA BRZEZINSKI: I'm just wondering what you think about the use of the "one hundred years." Because at this point I think it just feels like a cheap shot. That line has been almost practically revoked by John McCain, or at least clarified. SCARBOROUGH: Well and even Frank Rich . . . who has been critical of John McCain and George Bush's position on the war, said that that's a cheap shot. That being said, if you say things like that, it's going to come abck and you're going to hear it time and time again in the campaign. BRZEZINSKI: Actually, I think voters are smart enough to say, "Oh, they're using that line again." [. . .] SCARBOROUGH: I think lifting a baby and putting in front of a face to elect somebody, in any political race, is probably going to backfire. [. . .] SCARBOROUGH: It has begun. The war of these independent groups. It doesn't really matter what McCain and Obama say about what kind of high minded, independent campaign they're going to run, it's going to get down to the mud pretty fast with these independent groups . . . CHUCK TODD: It is. I think it was a borderline shameless ad. Using a baby like that. It just seems like a sledgehammer in the message that I guess they were trying to send. Stuff like that, it strikes me as an ad that's going to backfire a lot. Not a little. But the independent groups, you know, we'll see. You know, the Republican side, frankly, is having a hard time getting their independent groups funded. It has really become kind of a serious, competitive issue. MoveOn has never, never been at aloss for money and even though you've got Obama doing everything he kind to sort of discourage some major donors from getting other 527s started, MoveOn . . . has always been able to raise money. Highlight #9 *McCain's Gay Marriage Stance Examined* (CNN 6/17/08 7:00am) JOHN ROBERTS: Here's an extra look at where the presidential candidates stand on the issue. John McCain says marriage is between a man and a woman. He opposes a constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage. He supports legal benefits for same-sex partners. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the "big campaign" group. To post to this group, send to [email protected] To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] E-mail [email protected] with questions or concerns This is a list of individuals. It is not affiliated with any group or organization. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---