EFTA00064194.pdf

1 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: BY: DIGITALLY RECORDED WITNESS: SWORN STATEMENT OF OTHER APPEARANCES: OIG CASE #: NONE 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SEPTEMBER 29, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 3 4 1 MR. The recorder has started. 1 wain, I am DOJ/OIC Senior Special Agent, 2 My name is , and I am a Senior 2 3 Special Agent with the U.S. Department of 3 : I am Assistant Special Agent- 4 Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New 4 in-Charge, . . 5 York Field Office, and these are my 5 MR. • 6 credentials. 6 Electronics tech. Bureau of Prisons. . 7 MR. : Okay. I see them. 7 . 8 MR. : This interview with 8 MR. : This is Special Agent 9 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, 9 10 is being conducted as part of an 10 MR. All right. Thank you. 11 official U.S. Department of Justice, Office of 11 This is an official DOJ/OIG investigation into 12 the Inspector General, or DOJ/OIG 12 the death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the 13 investigation. Today's date is September 29th, 13 surrounding circumstances, and you are being 14 2021. And the time is 8:16 a.m. This 14 asked to voluntarily provide answers to our 15 interview is being conducted at the OIG New 15 questions. Will you agree to a voluntary 16 York Field Office, located at 1 Battery Park 16 interview with the DOJ/OIG? 17 Plaza, New York, New York. Also present is 17 MR. : Yes. 18 DOJ/OIG ASAC or Assistant Special Agent-in- 18 MR. : Thank you, sir. So, this 19 Charge, . He is in person. And 19 is the official Warnings and Assurances to 20 Special Agent is joining us by 20 Employees Requested to Provide Information on a 21 telephone. He is also with the DOJ/OIG. This 21 Voluntary Basis. And in this line, I'm i, 22 interview will be recorded b me, Senior 22 to say, this investigation pertains to, , 23 Special Agent . Could 23 it's job performance failure and security 24 everyone please identify themselves for the 24 failure, correct? 25 record, and spell their last name? To start, 25 MR. : Yes. EFTA00064194  6 1 MR. : Job performance failure. 1 kind has been used against me." 2 All right. So, it says, United States 2 So, take a look. If you understand it, 3 Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector 3 and are agreeing, and are willing to continue, 4 General, Warnings and Assurances to Employees 4 can you just please sign where it says employee 5 Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary 5 signature? Thank you very much for signing. 6 Basis. "You are being asked to provide 6 DO you understand the form? 7 information as part of an investigation being 7 MR. Mm-hmm. Yes, I do. 8 conducted by the Office of the Inspector 8 MR. : Okay. Do you understand 9 General. This investigation is being conducted 9 this is a voluntary interview? 10 pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, 10 MR. Yes. Mi 11 as amended. This investigation pertains to job 11 MR. : Perfect. Thank you. 12 performance failure and security failure. This 12 Okay. Today's date, again, is September 29th. 13 is a voluntary interview. 13 So, I'm writing 09/29/21. The place is OIG, 14 Accordingly, you do not have to answer 14 MYFO. And the time is 8:19 a.m. And I am 15 questions. No disciplinary action will be 15 signing my name as the Special Agent. ASAC 16 taken against you if you choose not to answer 16 can ou sign as a witness, please? 17 questions. Any statement you furnish may be 17 : Mm-hmm. 18 used as evidence in any future criminal 18 MR. : Thank you, sir. 19 proceedings, or agency disciplinary 19 Thank you. 20 proceedings, or both." And there is a waiver 20 MR. : All right. Before 21 section. And it says, "I understand the 21 starting the interview, I would like to place 22 Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am 22 you under oath. Mr. , can you please 23 willing to make a statement and answer 23 raise your right hand? Do you swear to tell 24 questions. No promises or threats have been 24 the truth and nothing but the truth -- 25 made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any 25 MR. : Yes. 7 8 1 MR. • -- during this interview? 1 MR. : No. Great. Is it 2 MR. Yes. 2 correct that the MCC cameras were not working 3 MR. : Thank you, sir. Again, 3 properly m inii J •ust 2019? 4 it's a voluntary interview, if you don't 4 MR. : Yeah. Well, the recorders 5 understand any of my questions, please ask me 5 wasn't working. The cameras were working. The 6 to rephrase. 6 recorders weren't working. 7 MR. Yeah. 7 MR. : So, the live feed was 8 MR. : Or ask for any 8 working, but the recordings were not. 9 clarification. I would be happy to provide it. 9 MR. Yes. a 10 Were you previously interviewed by the OIG at 10 MR. : Correct. When did you 11 the MCC on Jul 15th, 2019? 11 first learn that the MCC cameras were not 12 MR. • Yes. 12 working pia" 13 MR. : Great. And that was by 13 MR. : That day. This was, I 14 me and Special A ent . Correct? 14 believe, that day. Towards the end of my 15 MR. : Yes. 15 shift. I'm not sure what time. 16 MR. : Great. Is it correct 16 MR. : So, you still think it 17 that the MCC camera -. Or sorry. Before I go 17 was August 9th, 2019, that you learned? 18 on that, are ou still at the MCC? 18 MR. Yes. 19 MR. : Yes, I am. 19 MR. : After giving it some 20 MR. : Are you still the 20 thought, do you think maybe it happened the day 21 electronics technician? 21 before, oiliiiiiii8th, 2019? 22 MR. Yes, I am. 22 MR. : I don't know if I spoke to Mi 23 MR. : Great. Has anything 23 somebody. I don't know why it would be the 24 changed since we spoke on July 15th, 2019? 24 8th. 25 MR. : No. 25 MR. All right. When we go EFTA00064195  9 10 1 over the reports, we will see if that can help 1 MR. : Yeah. There was a lot of 2 freshen, you know, help you recall. First, 2 things going on. But I remember the 9th 3 we're just going to ask you some questions for, 3 because everything happened the next day. 4 like, you know, so you can, from memory, recall 4 MR. Okay. 5 exactly -- 5 MR. On Saturday. 6 MR. What happened. 6 MR. And are you aware, now, Mi l 7 MR. : -- when it was, and then 7 after the fact, that the cameras stopped 8 we will go over the reports, and see if that 8 recording on Jul 29th, 2019? 9 helps jog anything. But to your recollection, 9 MR. : No. 10 it was on Au ust 9th, 2019? 10 MR. : So, you're not aware of 11 MR. : Yes. 11 that? 12 MR. : And what is -- 12 MR. : No. Nobody. It's the 13 MR. : It was that Friday. 13 first time somebod has told me that. 14 MR. • -- what is it that makes 14 MR. : Okay. So, by reviewing 15 you think that it was on that Friday? 15 the recording system, or anything like that, 16 MR. : Because that's when I went 16 you didn't learn that they stopped on July 17 to the room. That's the only thing I really 17 29th? 18 remember. Because it was a lot of hours after 18 MR. : No. The recorders were 19 that. 19 still working. Because the recorders were 20 MR. : Okay. 20 still working for the building. All the -. 21 MR. That day. 21 Not all the cameras were working, but some of 22 MR. So, it was just -- 22 the recorders were working. (Indiscernible 23 MR. : Yeah. 23 *00:06:26iiIIIIIIII 24 MR. • -- it was a lot of things 24 MR. : So, when we spoke last 25 going on. 25 time, you explained to us that on, like, August 11 12 1 9th, is when you first noticed it, and that 1 MR. MI -- the last video? 2 half of the cameras, or -- 2 MR. : -- yeah, this is the first 3 MR. : Half of them was on -- 3 time I heard that was July. 4 MR. . -- half the cameras on -- 4 MR. Okay. 5 MR. -- DVR-1. 5 MR. Yeah. 6 MR. DVR-1, and half were 6 MR. So, when is the first 7 on DVR-2. 7 time you found out, then, that the recordings 8 MR. DVR-2. 8 were, in fact not working? 9 MR. And one of the, one of 9 MR. IIIIIIIII: When I went to go try to 10 those DVRs, which included half of the cameras 10 fix it on that Friday. 11 11 MR. : Okay. On the 9th? 12 MR. Cameras. 12 MR. : Yeah. 13 MR. -- they stopped -- 13 MR. : Okay. But on the 9th, 14 MR. Yeah. Stopped working. 14 did you -. I thought you had told us you 15 MR. -- working. 15 couldn't gain access to it on the 9th. So, 16 MR. Yeah. 16 when did you actually gain access to the room, 17 MR. So, what is your 17 to be able to -- 18 knowledge or recollection of when those half of 18 MR. : I went up there -- 19 cameras -? 19 MR. -- determine -? 20 MR. : I don't know when those 20 MR. : -- in the afternoon, to_22 21 half the cameras stopped working? 21 do work. They said I couldn't stay because III 22 MR. : So, when you were trying 22 had to leave, so the video room. 23 to obtain video after the fact, you never 23 MR. Okay. 24 learned, like when they're -- 24 MR. Yeah. 25 MR. : This is the first time -- 25 MR. So, III had to leave, so EFTA00064196  13 14 1 you couldiiiiiiiiito do the work? 1 MR. I don't recall. a 2 MR. : Yeah. I couldn't stay to 2 MR. : -- with 3 do the work, because I don't have a key, I 3 7 4 don't have access to the room. Because it's 4 MR. : No. 5 the propeiiiiiiiiii 5 MR. : No. Or III MI? The 6 MR. : And when you say "they," 6 7 who was it that told you this? 7 MR. I don't remember. 8 MR. : I was talking to Officer 8 MR. No. Okay. So, you don't 9 I. But it's no -. Everybody knows that SIS, 9 remember learning that, on July 29th, 2019, the 10 that's their room, and I don't have access to 10 cameras sto ed recording? 11 go in the room. At the time, I didn't have 11 MR. : This is the first time -- 12 access to fix the recorders. 12 MR. : From (Indiscernible 13 MR. Okay. Did you ever talk 13 *00:08:19). 14 to a 14 MR. Mi -- I heard it. 15 MR. That day? 15 MR. : That's the very first 16 MR. : Any day, about these 16 time you heard? 17 recordings. 17 MR. : That it was July. Yeah. 18 MR. : Yeah. I've talked to 18 MR. : Okay. 19 people numerous times about me getting access 19 MR. : Because that's, like, two 20 to the room, that I should have access to the 20 weeks out, I wouldn't - not know it was 21 room. 21 recording for two weeks. That doesn't make any 22 MR. : No, I'm talking about, 22 sense. 23 like, on August 8th or August 9th, about the 23 MR. : Okay. So, you don't 24 cameras. Do you recall having a conversation - 24 think that that would be accurate? 25 25 MR. : No. 15 16 1 MR. All right. Do you know 1 and IIII, about the cameras not 2 what stopiiiiiiiiifrom recording? 2 recording on Au ust 8th, 2019? On Thursday? 3 MR. : I just know that the 3 MR. : No. I don't recall. 4 system wal_21ils_mil it had a lot of problems. 4 MR. : You don't. Do you 5 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Okay. Do you know if remember them, towards the end of your shift, 6 someone did, like, an improper shutdown, or 6 bringing you in the office because they 7 that poweiliiiiiiireated it to shut off? 7 couldn't get the recordings to rewind, and 8 MR. : They were on UPSs, and no 8 asked you to fix the problem? 9 power surge that would have created it. It 9 MR. : On the 8th? 10 would have just been mechanical. 10 MR. • On the 8th. 11 MR. Okay. 11 MR. Hmm. I don't recall that. 12 MR. Or, yeah, yeah. 12 No. 13 MR. : Just from age? 13 MR. Do you remember having - 14 MR. : Just from age, and wear 14 at any time - a conversation prior to E stein's 15 and tear. Yes. 15 il2/h. with , with SIS 16 MR. Okay. And again, on 16 and 17 August 8th, you don't recall ever having 17 MR. : Together? At the same 18 conversations with anybody regarding these 18 time? No. I don't recall it. Yeah. 19 cameras, or first learning on August 8th that 19 MR. What about separately? 20 the cameras went down? 20 MR. : Separately, probably. We 21 MR. : August 8th? The day 21 probably talked about it. But not together. 22 before? I don't really recall (Indiscernible 22 At the same time. 23 *00:09:09iiIIIIIIII 23 MR. : Well, do you recall the 24 MR. : And you don't recall 24 conversations that you had, then, prior to 25 having the conversation with SIS 25 Epstein dying on the - or being found - on the EFTA00064197  17 18 1 10th. What conversations did you have with 1 MR. Can you spell the first 2 each of those individuals? 2 and last name? 3 MR. : Right. I was just busy 3 MR. IIII. And 4 working. On the 10th, the day it happened, or 4 5 -? 5 MR. And did you say 6 MR. No. Prior to the 10th. 6 7 So, the 8th, the 9th, or anywhere back to the 7 MR. : II Yes. That's an 8 July 29thi_1±211/L 8 1. Yeah 9 MR. IIIIIIIII: Oh. That we were working 9 MR. or -? 10 o the problem, trying to figure out what was 10 MR. Yeah. 11 causing it, and that's when I ordered new hard 11 MR. So, no 12 drives to replace all the drives. That was my 12 MR. • Noll 13 next step. That's what I was going to do that 13 MR. : Okay. 14 day. But I couldn't. 14 MR. And that's an II 15 MR. : And what made you do 15 MR. And that was the CSM? 16 that, though? Who told you to replace the hard 16 MR. : YuL 17 drives? 17 I'm sorry. And it's anl. Not an At the 18 MR. : Talking_slircigah SigNet, 18 end. 19 and the former com tech, IIIIIIIIII, he's the 19 MR. • All right. So, 20 computer services manager and we talked about 20 21 buying hard drives. I actually got a purchase 21 MR. Yes. 22 order, too. Yeah. 22 MR. Okay. Great. And who 23 MR. So, who was the computer 23 was that kao ? 24 service mai 24 MR. : He was the previous com 25 MR. • 25 tech before I got there, and now, he was - at 19 20 1 that present time - he was the computer 1 all the hard drives. 2 services mana er. 2 MR. : And do you remember when 3 MR. • He was? 3 you had that conversation? 4 MR. Yes. 4 MR. : A few days before this 5 MR. • Okay. So, he was 5 happened. And we've had numerous conversations 6 actually workin at the MCC? 6 about this for weeks because - and probably 7 MR. : Yes. 7 months - because of the way the hard drives 8 MR. And he was your boss? 8 kept failing. The drives would, the recorders 9 MR. : No. It's just, I talked 9 would stop working. 10 to him about computer stuff, because he knows a 10 MR. : So, did you know, then, a 11 little bit more than I do. That's his 11 few days before this? I'm assuming, when you 12 specialty. 12 say "this," August 9th, 2019, that the hard 13 MR. : Okay. What was his kind 13 drives had failed? 14 of, like,iol e at the time? 14 MR. : I knew it was a 15 MR. : His job role was to take 15 possibility they failed. At the time, or the 16 care of the computers. Infrastructure of the 16 before I left I knew everything was working. 17 building. 17 MR. : Before you left when? 18 MR. Okay. 18 MR. : I'm not too sure, but I'm 19 MR. Yeah. 19 just saying, like, overall, as far as, like, as 20 MR. : And what was the 20 far as everything recording, because I've 21 conversation with him, and where? 21 checked the recorders. It looked like 22 MR. : I think, that's when we 22 everythingiiiiiiirding. 23 were talking about actually just replacing all 23 MR. : What day are you speaking 24 of the hard drives because they keep failing 24 about, thou h? 25 all the time. So, the next step was to replace 25 MR. : Oh, specifically, before EFTA00064198  21 22 1 the incidiiiiiiiiiied, on the 9th. 1 all the hard drives. 2 MR. : So, on the 9th, 2 MR. Like, it happened long 3 everythin was 3 before, or when are you talking about -- 4 MR. : Well, when I checked it, 4 MR. : It happened -- 5 of course it wasn't recording. That's why I 5 MR. -- (Indiscernible 6 went up there to check. 6 *00:13:11iIIIIIIII 7 MR. It was not? 7 MR. : -- multiple times before, 8 MR. It was not recording. 8 where the recorders would stop working. 9 MR. Okay. So, when is the 9 MR. Okay. 10 first time you found out that it was not 10 MR. Yes. 11 recording? 11 MR. So, you were trying to 12 MR. : Oh. I guess the 9th. 12 preemptive) sto that from happening? 13 Everybody keep saying the 8th, but I don't 13 MR. : Happening again, yes. 14 really remember the 8th. 14 MR. Okay. So -- 15 MR. Okay. So, the 9th, and 15 MR. So -. 16 is that when ou -- 16 MR. : -- you didn't talk to 17 MR. : Because I -. 17 him based upon the system stopping recording. 18 MR. -- are saying you had the 18 You were talking about it -- 19 conversation with 19 MR. Mm-hmm. 20 MR. : Yes. Well, I had the 20 MR. -- doing preventative 21 conversation before, with , about what I 21 maintenance? 22 was going to do next. 22 MR. Maintenance. Yes. 23 MR. MI Okay. 23 MR. Is that correct? 24 MR. : Because it happened 24 MR. Yes. 25 before, so the next step was just to replace 25 MR. Okay. But you don't 23 24 1 remember exact) you spoke with him? 1 MR. : Okay. 2 MR. : No. Some time around that 2 MR. : But I know there was a 3 time, because I have to get the purchase, I 3 failure. I didn't check to see exactly where 4 have to get the parts to make the repairs, or 4 they were. 5 change the drives out. 5 MR. : So, you knew there was a 6 MR. : All right. So, until we 6 failure with the system, prior to August 9th. 7 go over this, I'm going to run through these, 7 You just didn't know what the failure was? 8 just so we keep on track. But it sounds like 8 MR. : Yes. 9 I'm going to have to show you these documents, 9 MR. And how did you know 10 to help ma be clarify some things. 10 that? 11 MR. : Mm-hmm. 11 MR. : Well, I would have to go 12 MR. : Do you know, did you know 12 check if there was video, there was no recorder 13 that the recorders - that the cameras weren't 13 videos, live videos, but there was no recorder 14 recordingliiiiiiii August 9th, 2019? 14 video. 15 MR. : Yeah. I know there was 15 MR. : So, you personally had 16 failures iiiiiiiiiitem. Yes. 16 checked to see if there were recorded video? 17 MR. : So, you knew that they 17 MR. : Yes. 18 were not 18 MR. : And when did you do that? 19 MR. : Not that day. But I know 19 MR. : I had, well, I had checked 20 that, overall, there was going to be system 20 that day, before I had to go upstairs to look 21 failures. 21 at everythin 22 MR. : And did you know that it 22 MR. August 9th? 23 was half of them all on DVR-1 or 2? 23 MR. August 9th. Yes. 24 MR. : I wasn't too sure what it 24 MR. So, that's where I'm 25 was. 25 saying. So, when you say, prior to the time, EFTA00064199  25 26 1 you're talking about the same day, August 9th, 1 problem. 2 is when you checked the -- 2 MR. So, how did you know that 3 MR. : Checked the recording. 3 the recording wasn't being able to rewind, and 4 MR. -- the recording. 4 check recording? Why were you in there 5 MR. Yeah. 5 checking that? 6 MR. : Prior to August 9th, did 6 MR. : I just, I guess I spoke to 7 you check the recording to see if it 7 somebody, or maybe I checked it. I'm not too 8 (Indiscernible *00:14:46)? 8 sure. 9 MR. : Multiple times before. 9 MR. : But it would have been 10 Yes. 10 based upon someone requesting you to do so? 11 MR. . And were they recorded? 11 MR. : Yes. 12 MR. From what I believe, yes. 12 MR. And you believe that 13 I'm not too sure. 13 happened on the 9th? 14 MR. Okay. Would you check 14 MR. Yes. 15 that system to check on the recordings, every 15 MR. Okay. 16 day? 16 : And iL i and the call 17 MR. : No. There was no thing 17 dropped. Let me 'et back on. 18 that says I have to check it. 18 MR. Absolutel . 19 MR. Sure. 19 MR. : A ent 20 MR. : The thing with the 20 : Hey, . You hear us fine 21 recorders is, I'm not really supposed to, like, 21 now? 22 mess with the system. I just, I'm maintenance. 22 MR. : Yes. I apologize. I 23 I'm not really supposed to, like, oh, tail 23 don't know why the call dropped. 24 SIS, that's their job to tell me, hey, 24 MR. : Mm-hmm. 25 there is no video, or something, there is a 25 : Okay. 27 28 1 MR. All right. So, we were 1 MR. You got a TD guy with 2 iiiiiialking about the recording and how Mr. 2 you. 3 would not go in and review a recording 3 MR. Yeah. 4 without someone requesting him to do so. He 4 MR. And who was that TD guy 5 doesn't recall specifically who made that 5 Y? (Indiscernible *00:16:59). 6 request for him to review the recording, but he 6 MR. . His last name was 7 believes that he reviewed the recording on the 7 , and I don't remember his first name. 8 9th, and that's when he determined that it 8 He was an electrician. 9 wasn't recordin roperly. Is that correct? 9 MR. : An electrician. Do you 10 MR. : Yes. 10 know which facility he came from? 11 MR. : All right. And you - and 11 MR. : No. I'm not too sure. 12 again - you don't remember why you were 12 MR. You don't know the first 13 reviewing that recording? 13 name? 14 MR. : No. Because we're in the 14 MR. : I forgot his first name. 15 middle of a -. Well, no, this -. Before 15 We just call ever body by their last name. 16 Epstein happened, we were in the middle of a 16 MR. But he's not from MCC? 17 camera project, we had people TDY. So, I was, 17 MR. No. He's not in from MCC. 18 like, the lead in the building, trying to tell 18 MR. After the interview, can 19 everybody what needs to get done. And I think 19 you just see if you can identify who that 20 the day before, I was on 10 South, I was 20 person is, and then send me an email? 21 putting in a (Indiscernible *00:16:52), so I 21 MR. : Okay. 22 was busy that I had a TDY guy on me. 22 MR. Of the person's name. 23 MR. : And when you - on the 23 But the Au ust 8th, 2019, you believe this -- 24 8th? 24 MR. : Yeah. 25 MR. : Yeah. 25 MR. : -- this TOY employee, EFTA00064200  29 30 1 1 camera system, though, to make sure it was 2 MR.wiiiiiiiliou? : Yeah. He was with me. We 2 recording? 3 were together all day because we were doing the 3 MR. : Yes. After we had the 4 piping, and tr in to put the rack in. 4 problem, 5 MR. : And what is a rack? 5 MR. : No, no, no. Prior to the 6 MR. : Where the -. Well, for 6 9th. 7 the new camera system, that's where the power 7 MR. : Yes. Prior to the 9th. 8 supply, the switch would go, the camera feed, 8 MR. And when did you check 9 the (Indiscernible *00:17:38) five cables would 9 on, prior, like, how many days before? Do you 10 go. Ever thin will go on the rack. 10 remember? 11 MR. : So, it had to do with the 11 MR. : I don't really remember. 12 camera system? 12 MR. • Are you talking about, 13 MR. : The upgrading the new 13 like, a few days leading up, a day leading up, 14 camera system. Yes. 14 or are you talkin about, like, a month or two? 15 MR. : Is that anything that 15 MR. : Maybe, like, weeks. Not 16 could have possibly caused the cameras to stop 16 months. It wouldn't have been a month. 17 recording? 17 MR. : Like, a few weeks? 18 MR. : No. That's -. Nothing 18 MR. M! Yeah, because I had to 19 was hooked up. It was just the hardware. 19 order the parts. I don't know when I ordered 20 There was no or nothing. 20 the parts. But I had to know that they weren't 21 MR. : Okay. So, that could not 21 working. 22 have affected the camera? 22 MR. : But I thought you just 23 MR. Mi The cameras? No. 23 said that they were working, and you only 24 MR. : All right. And do you 24 ordered tiiiiiiiiieventative maintenance? 25 remember, prior to August 9th, checking on the 25 MR. : Well, I - yeah -. Well, 31 32 1 they weren't working before. So, I had to 1 you of what it is we're hoping to get. And 2 rebuild one of the drives. I had to change one 2 there, but again, you ordered that because 3 of the drives out. 3 there was a problem with the -- 4 MR. : Okay. 4 MR. : Recorders. 5 MR. : That's when I went to say, 5 MR. -- with the recorders 6 let me order a whole bunch of drives, to 6 MR. Yes. 7 replace all the drives together, at once. 7 MR. -- you fixed that 8 MR. : And are you able to 8 problem. 9 determine when made that order? 9 MR. : Temporarily. But I knew 10 MR. : Yes. We have a purchase 10 it was going to happen again. And the best 11 order. Yes. 11 thing to iiiiiiiiiilace all the drives. 12 MR. : All right. So, those two 12 MR. : Okay. So, you knew that 13 I lsl so far. Can you give me the name of 13 it would iiiiiiiiirding again? 14 , and the second thing is the purchase 14 MR. : I knew there was going to 15 order, with re and to -- 15 be a problem a ain. Yes. 16 MR. : Yeah. 16 MR. : Okay. And what made you 17 MR. : -- when you made that 17 know that 18 order -- 18 MR. : Talking to the vendor, and 19 MR. : Yeah. 19 talking the age of the unit, 20 MR. • -- for the new drives? 20 because it was, like, 15 years old. And the 21 MR. Mm-hmm. 21 fact that it's on 365, 24 days, and on 24 hours 22 I'll send you an email 22 a day, like, it just constantly goes on. And 23 after this. 23 then, when you try to do maintenance, something 24 MR. Okay. 24 as simple as changing the time, the recording 25 MR. : lust kind of reminding 25 would stop for, like, a whole day, day and a EFTA00064201  33 34 1 half. Because for the drives rebuilding, you 1 the basement. And we weren't really a priority 2 have to chap e the time. 2 on the list until, of course, Epstein happened. 3 MR. : Okay. 3 That's when SigNet came the next day, and put 4 MR. : And before all of this 4 the new recorders in. 5 happened, I actually put in a camera project. 5 MR. Okay. So, prior to 6 That's why I was in the middle of a camera 6 August 10th, 2019 our main point of contact 7 project, to everything. 7 was SigNet, with 8 MR. : Now, when you say that 8 MR. 9 the people you spoke to, you mentioned 9 MR. 10 and then, you said the customer service people 10 MR. . Yes. 11 11 MR. : And what was his role and 12 MR. : Yeah. SigNet. 12 responsibiiiiiiiiih SigNet? 13 MR. -- Signet. 13 MR. : He is just, like, the guy 14 MR. : Yeah. Mainly 14 we will call if there is a problem, or if 15 , and I would talk to him. 15 training, or if I don't know the system. 16 MR. was your 16 Because, like, this system, I never had 17 main point of contact? 17 training on it. So, like, when I saw it, 18 MR. : Yes. 18 because the last institution I was, was, like, 19 MR. What about a 19 maybe two versions ahead of this one. So, when 20 ?Iiiiiiiliou recall -? 20 I saw this recording, I was, like, this stuff 21 MR. : was the one that came 21 is old, like, I don't know anything about it. 22 after Epstein. That's the guy that showed up 22 Like what should I do? So, I called 23 when we had to put in the new drives. Because 23 and IIIIII, like, pretty much would walk me 24 we ordered the new -. We ordered the new 24 through trouble shooting, if there is a 25 recorders. But everything was downstairs in 25 problem. 35 36 1 MR. And what was the system 1 recording. 2 again? 2 MR. So, it will automatically 3 MR. : Raid (Phonetic Sp. 3 shift over to the other drive? 4 *00:21:08). 4 MR. : To the other slot. Yes. 5 MR. Nice Pro, or something 5 MR. : Okay. 6 like that? 6 MR. : And then, when two drives 7 MR. : I don't -. I know it was 7 go bad, that's when all the recordings stop. 8 a raid system. A raid array. I remember 8 MR. : So, what is the 9 that's what he pt ke saying. Raid array. 9 difference between ours, where is one -. Is 10 MR. • Okay. 10 what you're talking about a DVR-1 and a DVR-2? 11 MR. It was raid. 11 MR. : No. That's the drive in 12 MR. • And do you know what that 12 the DVRs, because there's 16 drives. That's 13 means? 13 what - I think - that's what it was. So, out 14 MR. : Just the way the drives 14 of the 16 like, in DVR-1, if one goes bad, 15 would go. So, if, the way he explained that to 15 that's not a problem. As soon as the second 16 me, if one drive would go bad, that's not so 16 drive goes bad, then that's when you have a 17 bad. But as soon as two drives go bad, that's 17 problem. And that's when the recording would 18 when all the recordings pretty much stops. 18 stop. 19 MR. • So -- 19 MR. Okay. So, what is your 20 MR. : Because it was a redundant 20 understandin of what happened here? 21 system. 21 MR. : Oh. The drive went bad. 22 MR. -- okay. So, when one 22 MR. : One of them? 23 drive goes bad, does any, do any recordings 23 MR. Two of them. Yeah. 24 stop? 24 MR. Two of them -- 25 MR. : No. It will keep 25 MR. : I believe. EFTA00064202  37 38 1 MR. IIIIIIIIII: -- did go bad? 1 MR. : -- the recording, but 2 MR. IIIIIIIII: Yes. Because that's why - 2 they're savin it to DVR-1 -- 3 3 MR. Yes. 4 MR. : And is it two of 16, or 4 MR. -- and DVR-2. 5 is it two out of two? 5 MR. Yes. 6 MR. : Two out of 16. 6 MR. : So, what is the 7 MR. : So, if two out of 16 go 7 difference between if a DVR-1 goes bad, but not 8 bad -- 8 DVR-2? Is that ust -? 9 MR. Go bad. 9 MR. : The physical location over 10 MR. -- then -- 10 it. Because everything on the old system was 11 MR. Mm-hmm. 11 analog. So, like, cameras one through whatever 12 MR. -- they all. 12 are on this drive, on DVR-1, and our other 13 MR. The recordings stop. Yes. 13 cameras are on DVR-2. 14 MR. : For all of them? 14 MR. : So, does each DVR have 16 15 MR. Yes. 15 drives? 16 MR. : Okay. 16 MR. : Yes. 17 MR. : On that drive. All the 17 MR. : All right. So -- 18 recording sto s. 18 MR. So -. 19 MR. : And the DVR-1 and DVR-2, 19 MR. • -- DVR-1 has 16 drives. 20 that's sim l the recording system? 20 DVR-2 has 16 drives. 21 MR. : Yes. 21 MR. Mi Yes. 22 MR. : That's not the anything 22 MR. : And either DVR-1 or DVR- 23 to do with the -. The drives are what's making 23 2, two of those drives went bad? 24 24 MR. : Yes. 25 MR. : (Indiscernible *00:22:32) 25 MR. : And stopped that DVR-2 39 40 1 from recordin . 1 in order to determine if there were problems 2 MR. : From recording. Yes. 2 with the drives 3 MR. : But the drives on DVR-1 3 MR. : The drives. You would 4 were all ood? 4 have to -- 5 MR. All good. Yes. 5 MR. -- that's through -- 6 MR. Okay. 6 MR. -- yes. 7 MR. : And another thing I've 7 MR. -- yeah, you go into 8 learned also, through my time, is that SigNet 8 Supervision, and that would, in fact, tell you? 9 replied to me this, you could look at the 9 MR. : And which, I have no 10 camera software, until you physically look at 10 training on. 11 the drives, you would think that everything is 11 MR. So, you've never -- 12 recording. That's something we went over 12 MR. Obviously. 13 recently. 13 MR. -- looked at that? 14 MR. : Well, what about a -. I 14 MR. No. 15 was told that there was an application that you 15 MR. Did anyone else have 16 would have, that was called Supervision. 16 health -- 17 MR. _: Yeah. I don't look at 17 MR. At the time, no. 18 Supervision. 18 MR. -- did anyone else have 19 MR. You don't. 19 access? 20 MR. : You can. I have access to 20 MR. No. 21 look at it, but I didn't get trained on it, so 21 MR. So, you were the only 22 I don't really look at Superivision. I would 22 person with access to Supervision? 23 just go in the regular Nice Vision, and look at 23 MR. Yes. Pretty much. Yes. 24 it that 24 MR. All right. And do you 25 MR. : Yeah. We were told that, 25 know if someone accessed the application EFTA00064203  41 42 1 Supervision, they could have taken the drives 1 So, if you ended up not being able to show up, 2 offline, or the recordings offline? 2 or you left, or something like that, how would 3 MR. : Hmm, yeah. But yeah, 3 someone gain access to that? 4 nobody would have that access. 4 MR. : That's something they 5 MR. : Would they be able to do 5 would have to try to figure out, but yeah. I 6 it from there though? 6 don't -. 7 MR. : Yes. They probably would, 7 MR. : But to your knowledge, 8 yes. 8 you're the only person that had the password to 9 MR. But you are confident no 9 access Su ervisioN? 10 one had access to it? 10 MR. : Yes. 11 MR. No. 11 MR. Okay. And SigNet Mi 12 MR. : Okay. So, you would be 12 wouldn't be able to remote in? 13 the one and only person with access to 13 MR. : No. They have no access 14 Supervision? 14 to remote it. That's BOP. They don't want 15 MR. Yes. 15 them to be able to backdoor remote in