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From: Joscha Bach <
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 3:42 PM
To: Jeffrey Epstein
Subject: Re:
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Yes! =hen is good?
On May 8, 2018, at 7:46 AM, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote:
skype?
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at =52 AM Joscha Bach < <mailto >>
wrote:
I =m still trying to understand your question.
- What do you mean by genetic conflict =n a single individual?
- What do you mean by =achine state?
Perhaps you refer to a cybernetic regulation paradigm? =alentino Braitenberg suggested to understand
Al from a regulation =erspective: feedback loops to approach a target state (homeostatic =quilibrium). The behavior
regulation can be described with payoffs =cross many sub-behaviors (which Minsky called agents and agencies).
=henever you get a situation where the local cost functions lead to a =ash equilibrium that is incompatible with the
global goals of the =rganism, you introduce a higher level regulation that imposes offsets =n the payoff matrices of the
lower level agents. This leads to the =ormation of an internal governance hierarchy.
I =hink that this was the core idea of Rodney Brooks' subsumption =rchitecture. (Eventually, Brooks'
work did not pan out, he =tarted building Roombas and lawn movers and became an Al =essimist.)
On May 7, 2018, at 9:17 PM, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote:
my question relate to the =etabphor of genetic conflict in a single indiv , is there =n equivalent .
machine internal competition
On =on, May 7, 2018 at 8:06 PM Joscha Bach < > wrote:
I =hink that the whole game is internal. All our pleasure and pain are =aused by
satisfying or frustrating our needs, which are (roughly =peaking) implemented in our reptilian brain. Our neocortex is
modeling =hese needs as purposes, so we can regulate our behavior for satisfying =ur needs.
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For =xample, the physical pain, and hunger and thirst exist on the level of =eeds, and
survival is a purpose, a kind of modeling abstraction, as are =ood and drink.
Many of our purposes are outside of =he organism, such as relationship purposes, and
social purposes. Even =ur aesthetic purposes (like Jeffrey enjoying an intellectual standoff =etween Bannon and
Summers) are not really related to the =rganism.
While =he needs are somewhat hardcoded, our reaction to them is not (we can
=odulate pain and pleasure experiences, we can route our regulation =round satisfying our needs, and we can repurpose
our needs for =ompetence, dominance, affiliation, and aesthetics for almost arbitrary =oals. By changing the regulation
goals (which is always internal to our =ind) we change the payoff matrix.
On May =, 2018, at 8:43 AM, jeffrey E. <[email protected]> wrote:
i =osit that thre is an internal game with its own payoff matrix = separate from
the external . is =here a machine internal state equivalent.
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