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1 2 3 4 DIGITALLY RECORDED 5 SWORN STATEMENT 6 OF 7 8 9 OIG CASE #: 10 2019-010614 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 19 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL 20 APRIL 7, 2022 21 22 23 24 25 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 EFTA00142251 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 APPEARANCES: 2 3 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL 4 BY: 5 BY: 6 7 8 WITNESS: 9 10 11 12 OTHER APPEARANCES: 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EFTA00142252 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. I. : This is Special Agent 2 . Today is April 7, 2022. The 3 time is 10:21 a.m. The recorder is now on. 4 My name is . I'm a Special 5 Agent with the U.S. Department of Justice, 6 Office of the Inspector General, New York Field 7 Office. These are my credentials. 8 MR. I. : I'm going to -. Man. 9 MR. I. : This interview with 10 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, 11 , is being conducted as part of an 12 official U.S. Department of Justice, Office of 13 the Inspector General investigation. Today's 14 date is April 7, 2022. The time is 10:22 a.m. 15 This interview is being conducted at the 16 Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector 17 General, New York Field Office. Also present 18 are DOJ/OIG Assistant Special Agent-in-Charge, 19 , and via phone is DOJ/OIG 20 Assistant Special Agent-in-Charge, 21 22 This interview will be recorded by me, 23 Special Agent Could everyone 24 please identify themselves for the record and 25 spell your last name. To start again, I am EFTA00142253 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 4 1 DOJ/OIG Special Agent 2 '. 3 MR. : Assistant Special Agent-in- 4 Charge 5 MR. I. 6 Electronics Technician. Last name, 7 8 MR. I. : ASAC , can you 9 introduce yourself, please? 10 MR. : Yes, this is Special Agent-in- 11 Charge 12 MR. I. : Thank you. 13 This is an official DOJ/OIG investigation 14 into events surrounding the death of inmate 15 Epstein, and you are being asked to 16 voluntarily provide answers to our questions. 17 Will you agree to a voluntary interview with 18 the DOJ/OIG? 19 MR. I. : Yes. 20 MR. I. : Please review DOJ/OIG form 21 11I-226/2. The form states, United States 22 Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector 23 General, Warnings and Assurances form, 24 Assurances to Employee Requested to Provide 25 Information on a Voluntary Basis. "You are EFTA00142254 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 5 1 being asked to provide information as part of 2 an investigation being conducted by the DIG. 3 This investigation is being conducted pursuant 4 to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as 5 amended. This investigation pertains to job 6 performance failure and security failure. This 7 is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do 8 not have to answer any questions. No 9 disciplinary action will be taken against you 10 if you choose not to answer any questions. 11 Any statement you furnish may be used as 12 evidence in any future criminal proceedings or 13 agency disciplinary proceedings or both." 14 The waiver states, "I understand the 15 warnings and assurances stated above and I am 16 willing to make a statement and answer 17 questions. No promises or threats have been 18 made to me and no pressure or coercion of any 19 kind has been used against me." This is the 20 same form we've provided you before. 21 MR. I. : Yes. 22 MR. I. : Please review it. If you 23 understand, on the right side, please print 24 your name and sign your name. If you 25 understand and agree -- EFTA00142255 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. I. : Okay. 2 MR. I. : -- sign and print. 3 MR. I. I will sign and print. 4 MR. I. : Do you understand the 5 form? 6 MR. I. : Yes. 7 MR. I. Thank you. 8 This is Special Agent , I'm 9 signing on the signature of the Office of the 10 Inspector General Special Agent. And ASAC -- 11 MR. : This is -- 12 MR. I. : I'm sorry. 13 MR. : ASAC 14 I'm signing on the signature of witness line. 15 MR. I. : Before starting the 16 interview, I would like to place you under 17 oath. Mr. , can you please raise your 18 right hand? Do you swear to tell the truth and 19 nothing but the truth during this interview? 20 MR. I. : Yes. 21 MR. I. : Thank you. You can put 22 your right hand down. Please let me know if 23 you don't understand any questions and I'll try 24 to repeat it or try to rephrase it for you. 25 MR. I. : Okay. EFTA00142256 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 7 1 MR. I. : Thank you. Thank you for 2 taking the time to meet with us today. We have 3 a few follow-up questions. 4 MR. I. : Mm-hmm. 5 MR. I. : You met with us twice 6 before. 7 MR. I. : Yes. 8 MR. I. : And it's based on our 9 interview, from prior, we had a few follow-up 10 questions in regards to that, and a few new 11 questions for you, too. 12 MR. I. : Okay. 13 MR. I. : Before we begin, what is 14 your current employment status with the BOP? 15 MR. I. : I'm an electronics 16 technician at MDC Brooklyn, Com Tech. Same 17 position I was in MCC. 18 MR. I. : And this is your permanent 19 position now? 20 MR. I : Yes. 21 MR. I. : And you transferred over? 22 MR. I. : Yes, when they closed it 23 down. 24 MR. I. : Okay. So, let's take a 25 step back. In August 2019, what was your EFTA00142257 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 typical work schedule? 2 MR. I. : My schedule was 6:00 to 3 2:00 p.m. 4 MR. I. : 6:00 to 2:00 p.m. Is that 5 Monday through Friday? 6 MR. I. : Monday through Friday. 7 During that time, I think I was working 8 overtime because we started the camera project. 9 MR. I. : The camera project is? 10 MR. I. : Before all this got 11 started, we were upgrading the cameras in the 12 MCC. So, my schedule changed, and I was 13 working, like, ten or 12 hours a day during 14 this time. 15 MR. I. : So, Monday through Friday, 16 normal schedule would be 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 17 p.m.? 18 MR. I. : Yes. 19 MR. I. : So, that would be about 20 eight hours. 21 MR. I. : Yes. 22 MR. I. : So. if you're working ten 23 to 12, that means you were working to, what, 24 about 4:00 p.m., 6:00 p.m.? 25 MR. I. : Yes. EFTA00142258 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. I. : Okay. And what about on 2 the weekends? 3 MR. I. : I was working a little bit 4 of overtime there during that time, too. 5 MR. I. : Okay. And is that 6 something you needed prior approval for, or -? 7 MR. I. : Yes. Well, they knew what 8 was going on, so I got pretty much prior 9 approval. If I showed up, I showed up. If it 10 didn't, they didn't really Because the 11 project was going on. I have a life, too. I 12 can't just be working at the prison all the 13 time, so they understood if I didn't show up or 14 didn't come in for overtime. Because my 15 regular schedule is Monday through Friday, 6:00 16 to 2:00. 17 MR. I. : Okay. And as needed, you 18 would come in, too? 19 MR. I. : Yes. 20 MR. I. : ASAC , did you have 21 anything in regards to his schedule? 22 MR. : I did not. Thanks. 23 MR. I. : No problem. I'm going to 24 move on. 25 In our previous interview, you mentioned EFTA00142259 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 1 you had recalled having a conversation with SIS 2 Lieutenant . You remember her, right? 3 MR. I. : Yes. 4 MR. I. : Thursday, August 8th, you 5 had a conversation with her about cameras not 6 working inside the MCC. Do you recall that? 7 MR. I. : Thursday or Friday. 8 MR. I. : Thursday, August 8th. 9 MR. I. : No. 10 MR. I. : You don't recall having a 11 conversation with her? 12 MR. I. : The only time they spoke 13 about it was Friday, about the cameras, that I 14 remember. 15 MR. I. : So, you recall on Friday. 16 Who did you have a conversation with? 17 MR. I. : Lieutenant and 18 that's when I spoke to . She's the 19 Associate Warden. That's when they told me 20 that the cameras were down, on that Friday. 21 MR. I. : On that Friday? 22 MR. I. : Yes. 23 MR. I. : So, just to clarify a 24 little bit. So, Lieutenant wasn't 25 working on Friday, August 9th. They were EFTA00142260 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 actually working -- 2 MR. I. : Mm-hmm. 3 MR. I. -- she was off on August 4 9th. 5 MR. I. : August 9th. 6 MR. I. : Friday, August 9th. She 7 was working on Thursday, August 8th. 8 MR. I. : Yeah. 9 MR. I. : According to the schedule, 10 she was working Thursday, August 8th, and the 11 conversation that she told us about happened on 12 - she recalls - that it happened on Thursday, 13 August 8th, Associate Warden also stated 14 it happened on Thursday, August 8th. 15 MR. I. : Oh, so it must have been 16 Thursday. 17 MR. I. : Okay. 18 MR. I. : I'm not too sure because 19 everything was jumbled in. 20 MR. I. : Okay. And do you recall 21 what the issue was with the cameras? 22 MR. I. : They said they wasn't 23 recording. 24 MR. I. : Was that the only issue 25 you remember? Was there anything else with the EFTA00142261 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 camera? 2 MR. I. : They couldn't pull video 3 for whatever reason. They couldn't extract 4 video. They were looking for video for 5 something and they couldn't find it. 6 MR. I. : So, it wasn't recording, 7 and they couldn't pull any video? 8 MR. I. : Yes. 9 MR. I. : Do you remember if there 10 were any cameras -? So, when they were trying 11 to pull video, where were they trying to pull 12 video from? 13 MR. I. : I have no idea. I don't 14 really remember what they were trying to pull 15 video from, or why. 16 MR. I. : Which office were you guys 17 in? 18 MR. I. : Probably on the second 19 floor by the - maybe the SIS Office, or it was 20 in the Video Room. 21 MR. I. : All by the -. What's the 22 difference? 23 MR. I. : The Video Room is where 24 they have the monitors and the SIS Office is 25 right down the hallway, where the SIS Office EFTA00142262 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 would be. 2 MR. I. : Okay. And do you remember 3 standing there trying to help them pull video? 4 MR. I. : Yes. 5 MR. I. : And when you were trying 6 to pull video, do you remember looking up at 7 the screens and seeing any blank screens? 8 MR. I. : In the SIS Shop? 9 MR. I. : In the SIS Shop, or on the 10 monitors. There's a lot of monitors. 11 MR. I. : Oh, the SIS, that was, 12 that has been in and out forever. That was not 13 really working properly even when I got there. 14 There's been issues. There was issues with 15 that. 16 MR. I. : Can you explain that a 17 little further? 18 MR. I. : Okay. So, was it in the 19 Video Room or the SIS Shop? 20 MR. I. : I'm not sure where this 21 happened, so based on recollection, if you can 22 tell me, if you recall where this happened? 23 MR. I. : If I was looking at 24 multiple monitors, it probably was in the Video 25 Room. That's where they have -. The live feed EFTA00142263 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 14 1 goes to the video matrix, and then it's split, 2 and it goes to all the other cameras. 3 MR. I. : So, you're saying if it's 4 in the SIS Shop, and there was issues in the 5 SIS Shop? 6 MR. I. : No, if it was in the SIS 7 Shop, that's the network. They're on the 8 computer and they're trying to pull video. If 9 they're in the Video Room, it's the live feed 10 that's going to the cameras. 11 MR. I. : Okay. 12 MR. I. : And it's inputted on the 13 screen. It's split going to the recorder, and 14 it's split on the output going to the actual 15 screens. Yeah. 16 MR. I. : So, which ones had issues 17 where you couldn't see anything? 18 MR. I. : I don't know. Because it 19 was a lot of stuff not working at that time. I 20 can't really -. 21 MR. I. : Do you remember any 22 screens being black, like blanked out with X's 23 on them, at that point? 24 MR. I. : I don't know. It was 25 that room was always a mess when I got there, EFTA00142264 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 as far as stuff not working or working. 2 MR. I. : But you don't remember 3 them, Lieutenant or , mentioning, 4 hey, listen these screens are blank. There's 5 X's on them, they're not working. You just 6 mentioned that - just on topic - you just 7 mentioned that there were always issues. 8 MR. I. : Yes, there were always 9 issues. Sometimes, I would go in there and 10 stuff was working. Sometimes, I'd go in there, 11 stuff was not working. Exactly what was 12 working or not working, I'm not too sure of. 13 MR. I. : So, which one was it? 14 Just to clarify. I missed that. Which one was 15 it that wasn't working -- 16 MR. I. : So, what -. 17 MR. I. : -- the SIS or the Video 18 Room? 19 MR. I. : It would be the Video 20 Room. It wouldn't be in SIS, because -. Okay, 21 the Video Room is the live feed coming from the 22 analog matrix onto the actual screens. Some of 23 the cables got disconnected because there was 24 issues. And then SIS, that would be all of the 25 cameras in the institution. They would be EFTA00142265 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 16 1 coming from the network. They'd be trying to 2 pull video from the actual recorders. 3 MR. I. : So that's where basically 4 you can log in? 5 MR. I. : You log in and you try to 6 pull video. 7 MR. I. : Okay. So, you can - the 8 SIS Shop had the ability to log in -- 9 MR. I. : Yes, pull video. 10 MR. I. and review video. 11 MR. I. : Yes. 12 MR. I. : So, but the other part, 13 the video monitoring 14 MR. I. : That's just live 15 MR. I. : -- had to be live wired. 16 MR. I. : -- that's just live wire, 17 yeah. That's everything coming in. 18 MR. I. : And if the live wires were 19 removed by any chance, would that be a black 20 screen? 21 MR. I. : Yeah, it would be a black 22 screen, yes. 23 MR. I. : So ,is it possible this 24 conversation might have taken place with 25 Lieutenant inside the Video Monitor EFTA00142266 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 Room? If she recalls that there was 2 MR. I. : Yeah, if there were 3 screens -- 4 MR. I. : -- screens that -. 5 MR. I. : -- that's in the Video 6 Room, yes. 7 MR. I. : Black screens, okay. So, 8 do you recall her mentioning on August 8th - by 9 any chance, do you recall? I know it's been a 10 couple years -- 11 MR. I. : Hmm. 12 MR. I. it's hard to remember, 13 but do you recall her mentioning anything 14 about, hey, there's blank screens, access that 15 needs to be fixed? 16 MR. I. : I was working on that 17 since I got there. I was still working on 18 that, until I was leaving, so -. It was an 19 ongoing issue I knew about. But the main thing 20 was, even if the screens were blank, that 21 everything would be recorded, going to the 22 recorders. Like, the live view in the Video 23 Room, that's extra. But if you could pull 24 video from the recorders, that's the main thing 25 I was worried about. I wasn't really worried EFTA00142267 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 about the live view. 2 MR. I. : Okay. 3 MR. I. : That's something I would 4 have to worry about later. But the main thing 5 was to make sure the cameras are recording in 6 the institution. 7 MR. I. : Okay. And so, this 8 happened, well based on the fact that this 9 happened on Thursday, August 8th, do you recall 10 coming in August 9th fixing anything? On 11 August 9th? 12 MR. I. : I'm pretty sure I did. I 13 must have followed up. Because I was going to 14 come back Saturday to do something, so I know 15 on Friday, that's when I went back to the room. 16 MR. I. : Okay. I'm going to show 17 you a memo. There's a memo dated August 10th, 18 from II , SIS Lieutenant. That would be 19 20 MR. I. : Yeah. 21 MR. I. : To Captain. 22 MR. I. : Mm-hmm. 23 MR. I. : Subject was "NiceVision 24 Camera System." And for the record, I'm going 25 to read it, and then I'll show it to you. EFTA00142268 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. I. : Okay. 2 MR. I. : "On August 8, 2019, at 3 approximately 3:45 p.m., while reviewing the 4 Nice Camera System, I attempted to recover 5 video footage from the Unit 5 South Housing 6 Unit. At this time, I was unable to recover 7 any previous recordings from the camera, this 8 prompting me to review all of the cameras. 9 None of the cameras on the system were able to 10 record. Therefore, I called the communication 11 technician I. via radio." That would be 12 you, right? 13 MR. I. : Yes. 14 MR. I. : Okay. "At approximately 15 4:00 p.m., responded to the third floor 16 Monitoring Room to check the cameras and 17 notified me that the cameras were not recording 18 and there was no way to retrieve any video. 19 stated he fixed the camera system on 20 Friday, August 9, 2019, when he arrived to 21 work." 22 So, it looks like the memo was written on 23 August 10th and this is in regards to a 24 conversation she had with you on August 8, 25 2019, and at the end, she stated that you told EFTA00142269 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 20 1 her on August 9th, you told her on August 10th 2 that, when you came into work on August 9th, 3 you fixed the camera issue. Do you recall 4 that? 5 MR. I. : No. (Indiscernible 6 *00:12:58). 7 So, I was working after 3:45. So, I was 8 on overtime that day she called me? 9 MR. I. : It might have been. 10 MR. I. : Because I leave at 2:00. 11 MR. I. : So, you -. 12 MR. : You want to just read 13 through that again -- 14 MR. I. : Yeah. 15 MR. I. : Yeah. Read through it for 16 yourself. 17 MR. : -- and just -. 18 MR. I. : "At approximately 3:45 19 p.m. on the Nice System, I attempted to recover 20 -. At the time I was 21 MR. I. : There might be some 22 grammatical -. 23 MR. I. : Yeah, that doesn't really 24 25 MR. : Does that seem accurate, to EFTA00142270 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 your recollection? 2 MR. I. : No. 3 MR. I. : So, you don't recall 4 fixing anything? 5 MR. I. : I might have been looking 6 at something, but I have to make sure that it's 7 fixed, like, before I say, hey, you can pull 8 video and I have to pull video myself. 9 MR. I. : But she said there's a 10 possibility that, when you came in on the 9th, 11 you might have fixed the issues with the blank 12 screens. 13 MR. I. : Okay. 14 MR. I. : And then, you might have 15 came back in on August 10th, which would be 16 that Saturday, to fix the recording issue. 17 you think that might be accurate? 18 MR. I. : No. That doesn't really 19 make any sense to me, either. 20 MR. I. : Okay. Do you recall if - 21 I remember we spoke about this before, I don't 22 know if your memory hasn't recollected any of 23 it - but about you not being able to access the 24 SIS Shop because no one was in the SIS Shop. 25 MR. I. : Yeah, and I don't have the EFTA00142271 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 key to get in the room. 2 MR. I. : Okay. 3 MR. I. : I didn't have access to 4 get in the room. 5 MR. I. : Because no one was there 6 in the SIS Shop. 7 MR. I. : Yes, nobody was -. Yes. 8 MR. I. : And normally, there would 9 be somebody monitoring the phones, right? 10 MR. I. : Yes, there should be 11 phone monitor, if somebody was there, unless 12 they got pulled to work a different post. 13 MR. I. : Yeah. 14 MR. I. : But they're supposed to be 15 - that's supposed to be a post. 16 MR. I. : And that Friday, nobody 17 was there? On August 9th, I think they had 18 left early or something to that effect -- 19 MR. I. : Mm-hmm. 20 MR. I. : -- and then, you couldn't 21 get in. Do you recall - Lieutenant 22 mentioned to us that Captain had the 23 ability to get you into the room - do you know 24 if Captain had his own set of keys for 25 that room? EFTA00142272 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. I. : Yes, he did. 2 MR. I. : Separate from? 3 MR. I. : Yeah. The Captain I 4 think, or the SIS could get in that room. I'm 5 not too sure. 6 MR. I. : I know SIS -. Lieutenant 7 had her own set of keys. 8 MR. I. : Yeah, could get in with a 9 key. Yeah -- 10 MR. I. : Okay. 11 MR. I. : -- but I think the Captain 12 had the key to let me in the room. I'm not too 13 sure. Honestly. 14 MR. : You're not certain? 15 MR. I. : I'm not certain. 16 MR. I. : So, the SIS Lieutenant's 17 keys are kept behind some kind of box in the 18 control room. 19 MR. I. : Yeah, everything is kept 20 behind glass and the technician's, their keys 21 are kept behind glass. And whoever is in the 22 Video Room, it's behind glass. 23 MR. I. : Okay. But does the 24 Captain have his own set of keys? 25 MR. I. : Yes. EFTA00142273 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 24 1 MR. I. : That's not behind glass? 2 MR. I. : No. I don't know how they 3 do the Captain's. I know the SIS Shop, that 4 was the main key and if I tried to get in, it 5 was behind glass, to get in the room. 6 MR. I. : Do you recall approaching 7 Captain , asking him for access to that 8 room on August 9th? 9 MR. I. : I don't remember. 10 MR. I. : Okay. Because I know, 11 based on Captain Captain was in 12 the facility until about 8:00 p.m. on that 13 Friday night, August 9th? He worked until about 14 8:00 p.m. 15 MR. I. : Hmm. I didn't know that. 16 MR. I. : So, but you don't recall 17 ever seeing him, or talking to him, or asking 18 for access to that room to fix the cameras? 19 MR. I. : No. I don't remember. 20 Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. I don't - that's 21 I don't really -. 22 MR. I. : Okay. But if needed, you 23 could have asked Captain , he could have 24 let you in? 25 MR. I. : He would have locked the - EFTA00142274 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 25 1 if he had the key, yes, he would let me know. 2 MR. I. : Okay. ASAC 3 anything on that topic? 4 MR. : Yeah, in regard to the memo. 5 Mr. , I know that time on August 8th, 6 that seems way off based on what you had told 7 and before, and -- 8 MR. I. : Mm-hmm. 9 MR. : -- frankly, what had 10 told us. The key thing that we wanted to find 11 out is that last line. The " stated he 12 fixed the camera system on Friday, August 9th 13 when he arrived to work." 14 MR. I. : Mm-hmm. 15 MR. I. : So, that's the main thing 16 we just wanted to confirm. 17 MR. I. : I don't think I did that. 18 MR. : Yeah, because the last time, I 19 know our guys explored pretty in depth what 20 happened on August 9th. 21 MR. I. : Mm-hmm. 22 MR. : That was that Friday where it 23 sounds like -- 24 MR. I. : Yes. 25 MR. : -- you got the hard drives to EFTA00142275 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 26 1 go repair the thing. and just couldn't get in 2 because no one was there, or the phone monitor 3 was leaving. So, we were surprised to see that 4 there was a statement that you may have told 5 someone that you had repaired it on August 9th. 6 So, we just wanted to confirm whether or not 7 you had told someone, specifically Lieutenant 8 , that you had repaired that system on 9 August 9th. 10 MR. I. : I don't believe so, no. 11 Because I was still working on it so 12 MR. : Okay. 13 MR. I. : I couldn't do it. 14 MR. : Very good. Thank you, sir, 15 and that is all I have on that , thanks. 16 MR. I. : Thank you. Just as 17 normal, can you initial and date it? You're 18 not attesting to the accuracy, it's just a 19 document that we showed you. 20 MR. I. : Hmm. 21 MR. I. : Today's the 7th. 22 MR. : It's that you reviewed it. 23 MR. I : Oh, today is four 24 MR. I. : 4/7. 25 MR. I. : 4/7/22. EFTA00142276 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 27 1 MR. I. : We can move on to the next 2 topic. 3 MR. I. : Okay. 4 MR. I. : You mentioned, previously 5 and even now, that there was a camera upgrade 6 going on during that time. 7 MR. I. : Yes. 8 MR. I. : Do you recall if there was 9 a contract in place for these upgrades? 10 MR. I. : Yeah, it was supposed to 11 be NiceVision, but we just ended up doing 12 pretty much everything inhouse because it was 13 taking too long. 14 MR. I. : Okay. I'm going to show 15 you a contract. 16 MR. I. : Yes. 17 MR. I. : Do you recognize that 18 contract? 19 MR. I. : Yes. This looks like all 20 the stuff we put in for to upgrade the camera 21 system. 22 MR. I. : Just so -. Give me one 23 second. 24 MR. I. : Okay. 25 MR. I. : Just for the record, I'm EFTA00142277 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 going to read this out because it's -- 2 MR. I. : It's very (Indiscernible 3 *00:18:26). 4 MR. I. : This states the - the 5 contract states up top - it says, MCC New York. 6 And the contract number is GS-07F-, as in 7 Frank, 0322T, as in Tom. The award effective 8 date is 9/21/2018. And the order number is 9 15B-, as in boy, NYM-, as in Mary, 18F-, as in 10 Frank, T-, as in Tom, P-, as in Peter, 120150. 11 And the requisition number is 1064-18. 12 Now, that's the document you were 13 reviewing, and you believe that is the camera 14 upgrade? 15 MR. I. : The initial, probably the 16 initial one, yes. 17 MR. I. : When you say initial? 18 Were there changes? 19 MR. I. : Yeah, because they had a 20 contract. This was the original contract, as 21 far as upgrade goes, and then, like a year 22 later, there was another bid that we put in for 23 more upgrades. 24 MR. I. : Okay. 25 MR. I. : But this was the original. EFTA00142278 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 29 1 MR. I. : And this is dated when 2 again? 3 MR. I. : 2018. (Indiscernible 4 *00:19:31). Oh, 9/21/2018. 5 MR. I. : 2018. Were you involved 6 in this? 7 MR. I. : Yes. 8 MR. I. : Who was the point of 9 contact for this? 10 MR. I. : Steve Smith. He's, like, 11 the head of Nice. And then, but the main 12 person I would talk to was Justin Houston, but 13 Steve Smith is the brains behind it. I really 14 wouldn't talk to Steve because he was, like, 15 overseeing it. The main person I would talk to 16 was Justin Houston. 17 MR. I. : Justin Houston. Okay. 18 MR. I. : And I called him asking 19 him every question, because I never did fiber 20 before, or network camera systems, so. 21 MR. I. : All right, so Justin 22 Houston is the SigNet point of contact then? 23 MR. I. : Yes. 24 MR. I. : Okay. Who was the point 25 of contact for BOP then, at the MCC? Who was EFTA00142279 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 30 1 the point of contact? 2 MR. I. : That would be the Facility 3 Manager, whoever that was. Or the General 4 Foreman. I'm just -- 5 MR. I. : Who? 6 MR. I. : -- in 2018, so that was 7 (Phonetic Sp. *00:20:12) 8 probably, and then was the 9 General Foreman. 10 MR. I. had left 11 by August 2018, right? 12 MR. I. : Okay. 13 MR. I. : And then, 14 stepped in? 15 MR. I. : Yes. 16 MR. I. : But said that 17 he never really communicated in regards to 18 this. 19 MR. I. : Yes. 20 MR. I. : Because he said that he 21 doesn't recall the materials arriving -- 22 MR. I. : Mm-hmm. 23 MR. I. : -- or any of that stuff. 24 MR. I. : No, he wasn't there when I 25 don't think any of this arrived. EFTA00142280 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 31 1 MR. I. : And he never spoke with 2 MR. I. : Anybody. 3 MR. I. : SigNet. 4 MR. I. : SigNet, yeah. 5 MR. I. : So, who spoke with SigNet 6 in regards to the materials and all that? 7 MR. I. : It was just kind of like a 8 thing -. I would just call this, every once in 9 a while, hey, did the stuff come in, or what's 10 going on? But there was really -. 11 MR. I. : So, you communicated with 12 SigNet? 13 MR. I. : Yeah. SigNet, yes. 14 MR. I. : Okay. Was there anybody 15 else that communicated with SigNet? 16 MR. I. : No, not until go- 17 there. 18 MR. I. : And after that it was 19 20 MR. I. : Yes. 21 MR. I. : Or was it both of you guys 22 together? 23 MR. I. : It was pretty much 24 He's in charge, you know. 25 MR. I. : Okay. When did get EFTA00142281 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 there? 2 MR. I. : I don't know. Honestly, I 3 don't. It's around this time, like, August or 4 July of 2019. 5 MR. I. : Okay. Can you flip to 6 page four of that? 7 MR. I. : Yes. 8 MR. I. : And you mentioned it 9 before, right? What was the name of the 10 recording system that was ordered for the MCC? 11 The Nice -- 12 MR. I. : Nice or -. 13 MR. I. : -- the Nice, NiceVision? 14 MR. I. : Yeah, NiceVision. Yes. 15 MR. I. : And that's the type of 16 system that was ordered, right? 17 MR. I. : Yes. 18 MR. I. : Okay. Do you recall - and 19 this was placed in September of 2018. 20 MR. I. : Yes. 21 MR. I. : Do you recall when all the 22 NiceVision, all that stuff in that order was 23 delivered to the MCC? 24 MR. I. : It was coming in piece-by- 25 piece. EFTA00142282 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. I. : Piece-by-piece. 2 MR. I. : Yeah. 3 MR. I. : It wasn't delivered 4 together? 5 MR. I. : It might have been, but 6 the warehouse was, like, a mess. So, whenever 7 they told me I had packages, I would go and get 8 it. 9 MR. I. : Okay. So, what do you 10 recall, what came in first? 11 MR. I. : As far as what came in, 12 mainly the recorders and the new rack, and 13 probably the UPS. 14 MR. I. : Recorders, and what else? 15 MR. I. : The UPS and the rack that 16 the recorders would go in. 17 MR. I. : All right. So, the 18 terminology goes over my head. 19 MR. I. : Okay, so just the metal 20 hardware that the UPS would go in, and the 21 recorders. 22 MR. I. : So, based on, if you could 23 look at that and tell us what you're thinking, 24 and off of the page number four. 25 MR. I. : So, Nice. So, it would be EFTA00142283 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 34 1 the hard drives would come in. That's the line 2 item two would come in. The decoders would 3 come in. So, that's line item five. AMS would 4 come in, line item six. Line item seven would 5 come in. Oh not - yeah. Line item seven would 6 come in. Cameras never came in. Line item ten 7 would come in. And the wall mount never came 8 in, and a media cabinet. So, that line item 9 14, yeah. 10 MR. I. : So, they call came in 11 around when do you think? 12 MR. I. : I'm not too sure. 13 MR. I. : You think soon after the 14 order was placed, or -? 15 MR. I. : It was a little while 16 because there was stuff on backorder, so it 17 wasn't, like, right away. 18 MR. I. : So, was it in 2018, '19? 19 MR. I. : Probably in the early part 20 of 2019. 21 MR. I. : Early part of 2019? 22 MR. I. : Yeah. 23 MR. I. : All right. I'm going to 24 show you an email. This email - I'm going to 25 go back - it looks like it's an email from you EFTA00142284 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 dated October 7th, that's 2 That's . That's you? 3 : Yes. 4 : It's dated October 7, 5 2019. 6 MR. I. ■ October 7. 7 MR. I. ■ And this is to 8 , that's 9 MR. I. ■ Mm-hmm. 10 MR. I. ■ John Hodge and Justin 11 Houston -- 12 MR. Hmm. 13 MR. : -- at SigNetinc.com. 14 MR. : Hmm. 15 MR. : And you were asking, "Just 16 following up on the order for the outside PTC 17 cameras expected date of delivery." 18 Mm-hmm. 19 : And looked like Justin 20 Houston responded back on Monday, October 7th, 21 2019, right? And he says, , everything 22 was delivered. Most of it on 11/23/2018. The 23 tracking numbers are below." So, it looks like 24 this is in 2019. 25 MR. I. : Yeah. EFTA00142285 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 36 1 MR. I. : Like, he responded back 2 with tracking numbers for 2018. 3 MR. I. : 2018. Okay. 4 MR. I. : Does that help recollect 5 your memory at all about when those -? 6 MR. I. : I don't remember when all 7 this stuff -. It was a lot of stuff, and I was 8 trying to get space for it, so I'm not -. If 9 that's when they said it came in, that's 10 probably when it came in. 11 MR. : Does that email look 12 familiar? 13 MR. I. : Yes. This email looks 14 familiar. 15 MR. I. : So, that is a 16 communication between you and Justin, and it 17 looks like 18 MR. I. : Yes. 19 MR. I. : -- and Hodge? 20 MR. I. : Yeah, later on because, 21 when was this? Yes. 22 MR. I. : Who's Hodge? 23 MR. I. : He's the new contact. He 24 came in after the Epstein thing. 25 MR. I. : Okay. And what's the EFTA00142286 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 communication about the PTC cameras? 2 MR. I. : Oh, those are outside 3 cameras. 4 MR. I. : Okay. 5 MR. I. : Those didn't really have 6 nothing to do with the recorders or anything. 7 Those are, like, secondary. T