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LAW OFFICES OF GERALD B. LETCOTYRT, P.G. A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION • NEW YORK,NEW YORK 10081 GE FACSIMILE • RENATO C. STABILE FAITH A. FRIEDMAN February 23, 2007 • VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS Esq. Isista.MAte 'tates Attorney • Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 • Re: Jeffrey Epstein Dear Ms. Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. • As you know, in advance of last Thesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. • To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore • are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. • • EFTA01718041  LAW OFFICES OF GERAIS B. LEFCOIIRT, P.G. • Esq., Assistant States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida • February 23, 2007 Page 2 • The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore so arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevant: Tab 1: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his • genitals; Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in sexual intercourse with him; • Tab 3: Not only did Mr. Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr. Epstein would not allow them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the • extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they • could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection to what occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do so, or both. • Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in • many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., some of which we have already previewed in the February 1, 2007, letter. • EFTA01718042 • LAW OFFICES OF GERALD B. IZFC,OURT; P.C. • i States Attorney lAsistailtt l nited Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida • February 23, 2007 Page 3 • Finall t to our re uest we have included copies of the full working transcripts of the and recordings. If you have any questions regarding any of the maten s we ve provided please feel free to contact us. Very truly yours, • Gerald B. • Esq., Deputy Chief, Northern Region , Federal Bureau of Investigation Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq. • • • • • EFTA01718043  HMO, No. 5109N JULIUS BLUMBERG, INC. NYC 10013 O 10% P.C.W. EFTA01718044  Page 3. • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN • • DRAFT • VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OP • • 1 • II • • INA.1.-•,Ma• EFTA01718045  DRAFT • Page 16 r 1 and that, I don't know, we just don't talk anymore. 2 Q Which was? 3 ♦ 4 Q and -- 5 A And III. I don't know if bee ever slept 6 with him. I canrt speak for her. But he liked her the • 7 most. I don't knew why he liked her the most but it was 8 always working for him. And she wouldn't just bring 9 girls. She would work for him. • 10 Q How much money do you think she made? 11 A I don't know. She never really -- the first time 12 I brought her she made 200. After that I think she started 13 making like 300, It's not accurate. Like I can't -- 14 Q The more you do the more you get paid. 15 A Pretty much, • 16 Q I know you said that. But 17 A Rieht. I think she made 300 after that. I think 1 18 abe started making like 300. • 19 Q Dose he make the girls touch him down there? 20 A. I don't know. 23. Q is that part of the massage? 22 A It wasn't with me. 'He Pivot; aaked ins te; touch him • 23 or fondle %S.M. He peter aaked.nft I don't know if he's 24 ever asked the other girls. It was never really brought up. 25 It was always him touching them. 1 EFTA01718046  Page 1 • IN RE: JEFFREY EP$TEIN • • DRAFT • VT t1ZOTAPED INTERVIEW OF • • • 1 • 1 • • ...N..ACT.a...,..larkOhts./.....•aii.l...........•,..••••/.....0471:Cramr . • EFTA01718047 • DRAFT Page 19 • 1 Q Throe hundred. And that was the last tine you 2 went? 3 A (Weds head yes ) • 4 Q When ho 5 A I didn't have • 7 8 A Ch-huh Was that • A lt• 11 Q Okay All right. Did he pull 12 you close to hie? • 13 A Yeah. And all this while he was masturbating? 15 A (Nods head yes.) • 16 Dt,ehe heels; ieti toado tilt? 17 A. NO.. 18 .4044.1. Mr* tt$44:400t4je, ',. 'Ouch la* anig.* . • 19 age42 : 20 ihrk!letl. No'; 21 Q Did you bring anyone clot, ether an I • 22 23 0 24 A 2S 0 Do you know Illits Last name? fi • EFTA01718048 • Page 1 t • IN RE: JEFFREY EPS?' iN i • • DRAFT • VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW 0? • • I • • • • • EFTA01718049  DRAFT Page 5 • 1 Q Right. 2 A They cover enough. They don't show too much Okay. You messaged him? • 4 A Uh-huh. I 5 Q Did. he try to touch you in any way? 6 A No. I • 7 Q Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 8 vibrators? 9 A No. Huh-huh, • Q' ,Did he ask,you to toUth. him? 10 11 lk that*at:R*3M tif .Ait:*704044q0'. 12 • 13 A. ituhylii*,• • 14 Q No? 15 A I would have said no anyways That's gross. • 16 Q Okay. Did he touch himself? 17 A Yeah 18 Q Okay. And I mean, I mean by touching himself, did • 19 he masturbate? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Okay. Do you know if he got to the point where he • 22 climaxed? 23 A He did. 24 0 He did. Was that the only time you ever went? 25 A one time. • • EFTA01718050 • Page 3. I IN RE; JEFFREY EPSTEIN 4 • • • VIDEOTAPED TXTERVIEW OP • • • I • • • EFTA01718051 • DRAFT Page 12 0 1 A Okay. My bad. 2 Q I was writing that quickly, and I was 3 thinking 0 4 A Okay. That's fine. S Q All right. Was there anybody ever at the house 6 that you provided a massage to aside from Jeffrey? 7 A No. No. 8 Q tkittn*M440.49(.Tr'.4i4.he evet 4SX .YOU-*0 touch' • .. ..t.• . .• 10 A -Wc 0 11 Q Did he touch himself? 3 12 A Yes. 13 Q would he be just touching himself or would he be 0 14 masturbating? 15 A He would masturbate. • 16 Q Okay, How would you know that the massage was 17 over? 18 A He would come. • 19 Q He climaxed? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Again, I've talked to a lot of girls and go far 22 everything seems to be in the norm, so that's why I'm saying 23 don't, I know it's a little eMbarrassing. 24 Did you ever meet any other girls chat came to the 4 2S house? %FLY al•CotWIWW,PLIrel.TIIMPR. • EFTA01718052 • Page 1. • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN I 0 • DRAFT 0 TAXIED INTERVIEW Cr • 0 • • • • EFTA01718053 • I)IIAFT Page 12 • 1 ..O4he"-4'ver swig• yob`to• tench bOtlir 2 NO. .(inafl0Abc0 I- 7W00.:SUrPrigted about...that 3 bedause, bet.i)ever 4115Od but UP,40)109.. • 4 DRTICTr.V9 1 5 Q Okay Lid you ever see him nude? Naked? 6 A I wasn't paying attention. He got in the shower • 7 in front of me but I wasn't paying attention. 8 Q So you can see -- the shower you could see from 9 the room? • 10 A There was the shower and then he has like a bath 11 If you come up into his bedroom, I don't really remember. 12 but if you come into his room there's a shower. As you oome • 13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 14 then a massage table right here And then there was a couch 15 going around right here. And the shower (inaudible) he took • 16 a shower and he's like feel comfortable and I was like okay. 17 I don't remember if he asked me to take off my clothes, my 19 top and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. I • 19 have bad memory It was a long time ago. 20 0 Okay So if you wanted to look, he would have 21 been naked in front of you; you just made it a choice not to • 22 look? 23 A Right. 24 BY DETECTIVE 25 Q Okay • i •••••••••"..04..4••ia.l.l..0.4•14.4. • EFTA01718054 • DRAFT • ■ DatecLe 2 • 3 MS 4 5 I.D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch, is • 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15105. (Inaudible) • 7 8 UNK: Just 9 ■ Okay, the Present also Is...could you state your name • 10 please? 11 ■ 12 ■ Spell your name please? • i3 • 14 ■ And your date of birth? 15 • 16 And you are? 17 , Family Therapist. • 18 Could you spell your name please? • • 19 ■ • 20 ■ And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 Yes. • • 22 ■ Okay. I'm here today;■ and I have stated briefly law I'm here is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, r a girl you know. Page 1 of 43 • • EFTA01718055 • • Are you lying about anything? . 2 .No I'll swear on the bible. . 3 Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. • u 4 I swear to God. • 5 Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? . 6 No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. • . 7 So that's if. You did not have any kind of sex with him. ■ 8 Fleck not! I will swear on my mother's grave... . 9 You know what having sex with somebody means? • ■ 10 Yes, I know what having sex with .somebody means. . 11 oKay. You,. rie tiele.loach*Iltis..Perika? . 12 Rt nci. time did:1 touth.hitpeois. • . 13 At any time, did he touch you..... 14 At no time... . 15 Besides putting his hands... • . 16 Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 And just so I can be sure, you saw him once. . 18 Yes, I saw him. • . 19 Okay. And as far as you think...._ . 20 I think, I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises were being . 21 made when he was (inaudible). • 22 And that's it. I thank you very much This will conclude the interview. The time 23 now by my watch Is approximately 3:05. Page 43 of 43 • • EFTA01718056  Page 1 . IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN . DlitAFT • TAPED INTERVIEW OF S . . • EFTA01718057  Wage 6 • 1 A Yeah. T 2 Q Ckay. 3 A Well, no. :t was the second time that 1 gave him • 4 a massage. The first time I went up with 5 Q Okay. You went uostairs with 6 A No, r was in the kitchen. • 7 Q You were ln the kitchen That was -- you only had 8 two mimes that you went mere? 9 A Yeah.. • 10 Q the f_rst time you didn't do anything but just sit 11 in the kitchen? 12 A Yeah. • 13 Q Whc did you sic in the kitchen with? 14 A He had a coos that was there and he had -- there • 15 was -Vs's two other girls there that :ive with him. 16 Q okay. Did yo:i massage his hack? was he naked 17 when yo:: were massaging him? • 18 A Well, he had like a towel around his -- his .3pper 19 was (inaudible) but he had like a towel around him. 20 Q Okay. Did he ever remove that. towel? • 21 A No. 7.2 Q When you were massaging him he never removed the 23 LeweL? • P. No. 24 25 Q 0145!... PIO' t.0403: Attiln1t tmesma ristWeiftantla.VonteuseedoedwasSS Jr+ -'" - - •- WA • EFTA01718058 • 1 • 1 Pti:flta area? 2 WO4 1)ItAl:T do that.: Page 7 1 3 Q You wouldn't. do that? • 4 Okay. Did ha touch you in your private area? 5 A No. No. 6 0 No, • 7 A He kept like staring at r and like, I don't kncw, B I just felt uncomfortable and I _eft. But I heard other 9 stories that like -- 1 • 10 Q Right.. I'm concerned wfth you, I know aboat 11 other stories and I've interviewed other people have mold ma 12 different things. That's why I'm trying to find oat whet • 13 happened to you. Okay? 14 A Uh-huh. 15 Q You're the victim in this so that's why I'm trying • 16 tc find pet what happens Lc you 17 A eh-huh. • 18 0 Okay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 19 This girl that lives with him. 1 20 Q Okay. So took you ap? i p t 21 A Yes. • 22 Q Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 23 A Huh-huh. There's a massage table and she jLst • 24 laid a towei down and she said that Jeffrey will be ot.t foL 25 nis massage. J • EFTA01718059  • 2 •• • • • •• • • • • • ROMAN No. 5109N JULIUS BLUMBERG. INC. NYC 10013 • EFTA01718060 • • DRAFT • ID. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now. by my watch, is C approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3;15105. (Inaudible) • 7 6 UNIC Just 9 Okay, the Present also Is...could you state your name • • 10 please? 11 • 12 • Spell your name please? • 13 0 : 14 •• And your date of birth? 15 • • 16 And you are? • 17 • Family Therapist. • 18 • Could you spell your name please? 19 • 20 • And you're her familytherapist? Am I correct? 21 • Yes. • 22 Okay. I'm here today; and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in • 23 reference to an incident that happened to a friend of yours, or a girl you Know. Page 1 of 43 • • EFTA01718061 • DRAFT Are you lying about anything? 2 No. I'll swear on the bible. 3 Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. • 4 I swear to God. 5 •: Okay. Is them anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 6 1. No,because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. • 7 II ./S0Inat sit. Yetrdichnottlieve anr.kirkkoGsex,81411O., . . • • 8 I: - Heck Exill. 1 WillitWeat tinthy:Mother4}0faVe:a;te; • ::: ,:.:•:. .. . .i• .:‘,:: rZ. t 4.. 2. r:la 9 III - .Si4ti. i4ibrigWilall11.1C4bin% iklitt. r11161:00itiiiii -.. ellS lc:1141Z::>•':;:..:... t,,fActr;.•; ..;:5: • • •.. • • - 10 ill YOS, r knOW1A4),;thlVIng..0*Witfrill 600.0Y, mean 11 . Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 12 At no time did I touch his penis. . • 13 s At any time. did he touch you 14 At no time... . 15 Besides putting his hands... . • Besides that, no times did he touch me. 16 . 17 E And just so I can be sure, you sew him-once. 18 . Yes, I saw him. • 19 Okay. And as far as you think.... . 20 I think, I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises were being . 21 made when he was (inaudible). • 22 And that's It. I thank you very much. This will conclude the Interview. The ttr-ne . 23 now by my watch is approximately 3:05 Page 43 of 43 • • EFTA01718062 • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN • • • • • EFTA01718063 • DRAFT Page 21 4 • 1 2 A Q (Shakes head no.) Okay. "his case i2 basically an irvestigation, an I 3 open investigation, so 1 appreciate it wnat we discuss stays 3 • 4 hero. Okay? 5 A Uh-huh, 6 0 Don't tell anybody that we, that we talked, Okay? 7 A Okay. • 8 Kgvo,4O.Y4* 84;044:;844,0144 9 n 00; • 10 Q Nc oral? 11 A (Shakos head no.) 17 Q Nothing? • 13 A Nothing else. 14 Q Okay. I'm going to show you @ group of 15 photographs I'm going to show you a grotp of six • :6 photographs. Okay? I'm trying, trying to see if this IIIII 1 17 is is these six photos Okay? it's important that you look 18 at all six of then and be sure who you plex as the person as • 19 Okay? She may or may not be in thane six photos but 20 it's important for you to pick the right. one. Okay? 21 A Uh-huh. • 22 Q Take your time looking at those six photos there. 23 A I don't see her, 26 Q She's not Sr. those photos there? • 25 A No .041Nea. • EFTA01718064 3 • • • • • • • • • ROOMS! No. 3109N JULIUS BLUMBERG, INC. NYC 10013 10% RC.W. • EFTA01718065 • • DRAFT 1 • Detective 2 • • 4 ■ I.D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The tine now, by my watch, is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3;15/05. (Inaudible) • 7 8 UNK: 9 =Okay, the . Present also is. ,.could you state your, ano • 10 please? 11 • 12 • Sped your name please? • 13 14 • And your date of birth? 16 El• • 1fi And you are? 17 , Family Therapist. 18 Could you spell your name please? • 19 20 And you're her family therapist? Am I correti? 21 Yes. 22 ■ Okay. Um here today; and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in • 23 reference to ar incident that happened to a friend of yours, o a girl you know. Page 1 of 43 • • EFTA01718066 • DRAFT • : Okay. Altar everything was done, okay, did he watch you get dressed? 2 No. Cause I was gettng dressed while he was out there getting the $300. I • 3 guess that's what he was doing. Thais the only thing he came back In with. -le 4 was still in a towel and stuff. 5 In the room, al all, do you think...and I don't know if there is or not, but do you 6 think there is anything in there that may have recorded what you did? • 7 Oh my gosh.... a A video camera... Oh my gosh. I didn't think about that. There was Iota of places there could have • r." been one because there's pictures, that could have been, I don't know... 11 When he walked out... the reason why I ask Is because he walked out once and 12 then came back in, right? • 13 Yes. 14 So it could be JJst so he coup 'was just curious. I don't know if o there is or nct. 1 ■if there was, did not know about it. • 17 Okay. So you get dressed, you go downstairs where is !hat woman again? 18 Duwn galre talking to and the other tin, 19 Okay. • 20 • They were having a conversation. 21 • I At ertifirile;clidlhelepeal61444kWdleenleirCtleVelf5W,Old1)040:•0100 22 • 'IcipiligfrOktyciiiikeire? : • • 23 • May. YE*, kritj1.4***KdottaiActratoottio. . f 43 Page 38 • • EFTA01718067 • • DRAFT 1 hililiiireryOuttuilitttebautiti totopotAft*fettel p*tif 2 $0 I Said • 3 your, iliiblargidierlifialififtireatly3fatbecaulletikk'SiWaffl 4 Inakailt soUnCtiligailwatlyltigibrianything., • 5 So what other things did he ask you? • UM. how I lotow what school I went 10. 6 0: 7 • Did you tell him what school you went to? B 4104itb4 2tialellakiatifOliirtal .:.; 9 # 1' he'AtOi • 10 h? • 11 Yeah, he iwas likeiwhatigrade are you *? itietatilaititchfiliali0litil 12 stilt • • 13 . 01041 14 g iliebrfustfttifild'hfiilitiwas 15 iDtYyouitold'him-youiwagraleghidiit IN Yes. • 17 Are you sure? 18 Yea. 19 Clay. What else did you talk about? • 20 In Urn, that's about it. And he was kind of asking n CO how I know is 21 nice to me and then he told me how he knew and he was like, I was 22 kind of like, how do you knew lCause I brought up the conversation. Fie • 23 said well I know because she's been working for me for a long time. And Page 39of 43 • • EFTA01718068 • • Page 1 IN REt JEFFREY EPSTBIN • • DRAFT • TAPED INTERVIEW OP • 1 • • • ../..-....-A-ladda.......1 1•SW•PWIS • • EFTA01718069 • DRAFT Page 9 BY DETECTIVE IM 2 Q You said he 3 it? Where did he • 4 A 6 A (Inaudible.) • 7 BY DETECTIVE RECARBY: 8 Q Okay. Eow long did he 9 A A few seconds Not long. It wasn't long. • 10 Q Okay. Did you tell him you didn't like that or -- 11 A No. I told him -- I didn't tell him no and I 12 didn't tell him that I wasn't comfortable. I wnen't 13 comfortable but / didn't tell him that, And like I said, I 14 made the money that day so._ 15 0 Did you guys discuss a.-orzhing7 16 A Huh-huh. 17 Q gid he ask Iplrfrep4; agr. 18 A Ye9h, I. told' h1nv i Wow 14: 19 Q You told him you were 18? Okay. Did he want you 20 to come Back? 21 A We said ho would love if I coma back mamotima but 22 I never wilt back. 23 Q You never went beck. You colyment one time 2. What was and doing when you were 25 upstairs? • • EFTA01718070 • 'ft: 747: jSITFE:?' EY3TLIii • • DRAFT • VIDEOrAPED INTERVIEW OP • • • f • A • • EFTA01718071 • • DRAFT Page 12 or be didn't care? 2 A I don't think he cased. Be told re the younger 3 the better. 0 4 Q The younger the better? all right, Pretty much that's bow it worked Pe didn't -- 6 let ma just put it this may, be / tried to bring hie, • 7 tried to biinw hie a woman who was 23 and he didn't really like it. 9 Q Be didn't go for it? ID A It's not that he didn't go for it. It's just that 0 IL be didn't care for it And he44A04.the.0t.3:O014t.ae. 12 betvoen the ago* $ like 1.0:004.10. 13 Q Okay. 0 14 A But mostly the girls I -- I think gene e£ them lie 15 about their age. I know that when I started off young I 16 think he knew better to believe 0s i think he know that I • 17 was younger, like 17, but I told him that i was like 14. 1B Q Okay 19 A 77ttuc.of,th6..girls004' v• , 20 0 Right. 1)e04408 P*d440%*.W1* a 21 A reap... *et Oft404AbOirfe,444r:' 32 O Bow do you contact bin? Bow do you know when he's 23 in town and stuff like that? 21 A calls us. 0 25 0 Oh, calls you? •••••••••••.4 0 or EFTA01718072  Pagel • IN RE: :EFFREY EPETZIN • • ➢RAFT • VIDt0MPED INTERVIFW OF • • • • • EFTA01718073 • 1)ago 14 1 A Yeah. $100 more just to take my shirt oft. 2 Q Okay. And you said you didn't do it. 3 A No. • 4 0 Okay. AA he masturbate or. the sitcom° tau?' 5 A Ytah. 6 Q And d_d he ever climax? • 7 A Actually the second tiro like it waanyl that bad 8 because ha was like on the photo all the time and so he 9 wasnit paying attennian to what was going on. • 10 Q Did he ever at any point masturbate the second 11 tire? 12 A Wo. wot that I remember 13 Q Cid he ever ask yoc any mu:lotions or speak to you • 14 cI asA you anything? :5 A Weil 1. he tried to calk to you just to make you 16 comfortable with the situation like wre•e do you work and • 17 like how such do you make at your work and then he start•. 18 adyng you can mace more with me, tut 1 didn't reel. like it 19 wan right. • 20 0 Did he eve: know your real age? 21 A After a while like because somebody told rim. 22 0 Scat you were -- • 23 A Yeah, 24 0 17? A uke toaa 11S,,. we Oro ,supposMic to say two 25 •• • A • . . . ... • • •• • AA • • EFTA01718074 • Page 15 1,were 18. 2 Q Ape. ;trio told' you 0.4- to, ail)? tc.'1.0.ti 3 • 4 5 A was the onu wno brcughL everything to 6 everyone at school. Tbot's 'low we know about it Then she • 7 took and took me $ Q Okay. So each time you did go, did get 9 money for taking you or -- • 10 A Nell, went with me twice I glass. And that 11 was it. Then I went 12 Q Okay. And did she make mency? Did make 13 money for taking you to him? • A No, I was taking her. 15 Q Oh. you ware ta4.nq her So you brought -- 16 A She knew about it and ere ask me if I could tell • 17 her because she didn't know waere it was But I didn't get :8 money etc of that. 39 0 Okay. Did arybody ever help you do a masnage 20 Him? • 21 A So. asked ma so do it with her and I didn't 22 feel comfortable • 23 Q all right. All right Salk to me about the third 21 time you went. 25 A I don 1 t remember :t was like kind of always -- • • EFTA01718075 • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN I • • DRAFT 1 • TAPID INTERVIEW OF • • • I • i 1 • EFTA01718076 • DRAFT Page 13 1 A He came. 2 Q Okay. 3 A Because he was like, made a big sigh of relief • 4 like he bad been done and he just got right back up and -- 5 Q Do you know where he cane on? Was it on the 6 towel? Was it on himself? On the bed or -- • 7 A I think it was wet the towel like right. between his 8 legs probably. 9 Q Okay. Am 1 told you before and I explained to • 10 Your woo, what be did was wrong, okay? 11 A Ult-tinh, 12 Q I want to reassure you on that. Okay? • 13 At any point did he ever ask you to leave year 14 phone number or -- 1$ A )o He didn't ask ne £or anything. Like 1 think 16 he asked me my name in the beginning • 17 0 PickterkM04-P:41tage 18 A .t .dom!t. thick g,*440, thiOc- 4(1,1. 19 QeStiStafrellillilluOwi1Vf6Jk,:lee11. 41t141114Clida how • 20 o:.d. are Y9W Jun nay YOU!#e iVrek'Pokld'rl0 hat/ .44 21 1,v40. 22 . okay • 23 A. i. nought yen Tae .to d0e a dirt*iiv age. ttaassage 24 eahloatr, 25 Q 00 you have any formal naccago training!! •••••=.4•34.1 4.1, 131027701.4•Mra.•••••• • • EFTA01718077 • • sage 1 IN R£: JEFFREY EPSTETY • • DRAFT • VIDEOTAPED INTURVIEN OF • • • • • • EFTA01718078 • DRAFT Page 9 1 Q Okay. All right. When you would 9O back and do 2 the massage, would it, would it maintain the mama or were 3 more things -- • 4 A Well, no I mean I would take my jeans off a lot 5 of times or whatever but that was that. I never slept with 6 him. I never did anything to him. Nothing like that. • 7 Q Okay In it male to assume that you provided the 8 massage wearing only panties? 9 A Yea. 4 10 Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did • 11 ha ever couch you/ 12 A Like I moan he would like =ouch my hip or whatever 13 but I mean that, that's really it • 14 Q Okay, 15 A And if I ever like asked, if I ever said I wasn't 16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't want you to touch • 17 me, he'd be like fine. (Inaudible.) 18 Q And. akit.all.eedered:whae.:ten*M0' *110404 • 19 right/ • 20 A. 171P 6 4* .4 140 444:1401§TC*0040#i *:-.00-4* '40* 21 monthe .already, My ntrOuliyim in 40410:$0,AhAd-iieeri 1 .8•for' 22-a. Wines • 23 Q Okay. You're 19 now though right? 24 A Yea. YOA. 25 Q it was about a year ago when you met him. • • EFTA01718079 • Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN I4 • $ • DRAFT • TAPED INTERVIEW OP • • 1 • • • • EFTA01718080 • • DRAFT Page 8 1 that's it I lust told him -- 2 Q Did be come up here or did you meet with ham in 3 Florid*? 0 4 a HO c=0 up hero. 5 Q Oh, he came up here? 6 A Yeah. • 7 Q He met you right hero? 8 A Not here. I didn't want to meet. I met h:m at 9 Hal-Mart and I jest -- he just kept asking mu questions that • 10 I didn't know the answer to so 11 Q Was he an investigator? Was he an attorney? 12 A I don't know. I don't think he vas an attorney • 13 because he kept saying the information he's getting from me 14 is going to go to Jeff's attorney so I don't think ho was an 15 attorney. 3.6 BY DSTSCTIVI3 • 17 0 What kind of questions vas he asking? If the 18 police were involved? 19 A Yeah If -- how the police got involved. L said • 20 I don't know What kind of questions they were asking. I 23 nnid I don't know bceauso L haven't been questioned yet. 22 And just like how old I wan whwa I went there and basically • 23 like you guy° are asking what I did when I went there 24 BY DRIWTIVB 25 Q NoMottAtite.04,8 yousibe01.g00 fiiret starW7lipi • • EFTA01718081 • • DRAFT Page 9 2theta? A Eighteen:. I'm 1S414aw thi# last 3 Q M r right? • 4 A Yeah. And I turned 19 (inaudible) 1 5 Q And did he question at the same time? 6 A Did the guy? No. • 7 Q Did he ever? 8 A No. said she didn't want to 9 Q Okay. And he said he wan a representative of • 10 Jeffrey elgatein? 11 A Yes. 12