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*Main Topics:* Withdrawal From Iraq, VP rumors, Obama in Middle East *Summary:* Today, Senator Obama's Middle East trip led the news cycle again, but garnered less attention than in the past days. The McCain campaign was successful in its efforts to divert some coverage by leaking the possibility of a surprise VP-pick this week. Although most media outlets took the bait and devoted a considerable amount of airtime to McCain VP-speculation 'news,' still most anchors were more interested in reporting about al-Maliki's virtual endorsement of the Obama 16 month withdrawal plan. Though McCain surrogate Rudy Giuliani made the interview rounds claiming the success of the surge, he found had no effective message for combating the view that the White House proposed 'time horizon' is essentially the same as a phased withdrawal. Domestic news covered stocks trading low on Wall St., hyping the Olympics, and Osama bin Laden's driver going to trial. On the international front, the Serbian General accused of genocide is going to court while a Russian report indicates Russia may place bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapon loads in Cuba as a response to NATO bases/missile defense stations in Eastern Europe. And finally, if you are seeking the perfect pedicure, the national networks all focused on a special salon in Alexandria, VA that offers a service where fish are used to nibble off dead skin. Highlights: 1. MSNBC: Giuliani touts surge, similarity in views to McCain while claiming big difference between a time horizon and a withdrawal 2. NBC: Giuliani repeats support of surge, attacks Reid and Obama for seeking to 'lose' 3. CNN: Giuliani says never give timetable for withdrawal, NYT guilty of censorship 4. FNC: Bash reports on McCain's domestic activities while Obama is away overseas 5. FNC: Christian conservatives, Dobson, unenthusiastic of choice between Obama and McCain 6. MSNBC: McCain surrogate Blackburn confronted for saying Obama not listening to Iraqis LOCAL COVERAGE 7. WGME-CBS-ME: Protesters greet McCain in Maine [no clip] 8. WCSH-NBC-ME: Lack of McCain support in low-income oil assistance [no clip] 9. COMEDY: Jon Stewart mentions McCain foreign policy gaffe [no clip] Clips: *Highlight #1* *Giuliani Claims Big Difference Between Time Horizon and Withdrawal* (MSNBC 07/22/08) WILLIE GEIST: Is Iraq at all coming around to Barack Obama's position? RUDY GIULIANI: I think its dramatically the opposite. I mean a year ago- I was in the campaign a year ago. Barack Obama was calling for no surge, pullout, which would have been big loss for the United States. The only reason Barack Obama is able to make this trip to Iraq is the surge that he didn't support worked which I think says something about his lack of experience in foreign policy. If Barack Obama had been President, we would have had a major loss in Iraq, we would not be talking about a surge working, we would not tentative pullout dates, and I have the same position I've always had about this and I think it's the sound one – pull out happens on success. If that's 2010, wonderful. And the only reason that would be the case is the soldiers did such a wonderful job with the surge. To give the enemy a timetable of your retreat, has never happened at a time of war. That would be a terrible mistake. That was a big mistake when Barack Obama did it a year ago, the facts have proven that. And I think its going to hurt him a lot in the Presidential campaign. First of all he was dead wrong about the surge. MIKA BRZEZINSKI: *Have the White House putting out a time horizon, which I'm sorry I don't see a lot of difference between a time horizon-* GIULIANI: *Big difference.* BRZEZINSKI: Really? GIULIANI: Sure you talk about maybe if the facts dictate it you could get out in 2010, 2011, 2012, you don't give a time table. BRZEZINSKI: That's a shift though for the administration. They used to talk about no timelines, not talking about time at all because its dangerous, and now they're seeing a shift, because the surge appears to be working. GIULIANI: Well, the President said a year and a half ago, withdraw on success. We are now having success. It seems to me the only reason we can realistically and seriously talk about withdrawal is because we're having success. He wouldn't talk about it when we had failure. That makes sense. If you're getting to a point where you're having success, you can start talking about withdrawing troops. They have drawn back some of the surge. Not all of the surge I think at this point, although there are more troops there than in 2007. BRZEZINSKI: So where does that leave John McCain? GIULIANI: It leaves John McCain in the very enviable position of having been the strongest proponent of the surge against tremendous criticism in the Senate, particularly from Barack Obama. John McCain turns out to be right, I know the media has a hard time of this, but Obama turns out to be completely wrong. BRZEZINSKI: You could argue though if you continue the path that McCain is putting forward that our troops are going to be worn thin and not used in areas they are needed. When you think of whats happening in Pakistan, and when you think of what is happening in Afghanistan, and you think of some of the problems percolating in Iran, are we going to be ready if we continue this engagement at this level, and do we need to be continuing at this level. Do we need to quote win? GIULIANI: Mika, you can say that, but it would turn out to be wrong. John McCain has turned out to be right. That by having the surge, We are now able to draw down troops. And we're able to draw down troops in a way in which America should draw down troops. And you ask me should America win, the only person I can think of that didn't want America to win was Harry Reid when he announced prematurely that America had lost in Iraq. Of course we have to win. It's not about winning like a baseball game. It's about avoiding chaos in the Middle East, it's about avoiding civil war there, it's about having an American ally next to a country that is dangerous to the United States-Iran. Rather than having a country that is an ally of Iran. These are all fundamental issues of foreign policy, which I think Barack Obama misses because in the coverage of Barack Obama, we've missed how inexperienced he is. <https://issuealliance.box.net/shared/9uxjy1ow84> *Highlight #2* *Giuliani Touts Surge, Attacks Obama and Reid For Not Supporting It* (NBC 07/22/08) RUDY GIULIANI: Good morning, David. DAVID GREGORY: Thinking about Veepstakes, you know Senator McCain well. You're an astute observer of the political landscape. I won't ask you who, but what kind of Vice President, what is Senator McCain need in a Vice President? GIULIANI: He needs the same thing any Presidential candidate needs; he needs someone who can be President of the United States, particularly in the times we live in. Threat of terrorism, the significant problems we face in foreign policy, domestic policy. You need someone who can step right in, where the American people can accept that person as being just as qualified as the Presidential candidates. GREGORY: That'll be the top consideration? GIULIANI: I think so […] GREGORY: Let me turn to Iraq this morning. Lot of news, Senator Obama on this trip and he said late last night that if he had it to do over again, he would not support the troop surge in Iraq. McCain has already been critical about that. What do you think that should say to voters about his view of the war. GIULIANI: I don't understand what Obama is saying. He goes to Iraq to go on a fact-finding mission. And the facts that he finds are that violence is down 70, 80%, that everyone believes, particularly the military commanders he's taking to that it's a great success, the only reason that al-Maliki is talking about possible withdrawal in 2010 is because the surge has worked, that's the only way he could be talking about something like that. And we don't know if it will happen or not depending on the facts on the ground. So I think it either indicates Senator Obama is not on a fact finding mission because the facts don't seem to affect him or Senator Obama has a stubbornness of wanting to stick to his political position, which now turns out to be incorrect. The position he took a year ago, to oppose the surge, would have left us with a great loss and a Middle East in chaos right. The position that was the correct one that turned out historically to be correct is the position that we should have done the surge. GREGORY: Alright, but let's take on this argument a little that because Mr. Mayor as you know, Senator McCain has effectively chalked up Obama's position on Iraq to naivety, that he's effectively called for surrender, and yet to sticking to an idea of a 6 month phased withdrawal from Iraq, that has ultimately been validated by the Iraqi prime minister, hasn't that effectively refuted that argument? GIULIANI: Of course not, you wouldn't be there if the surge didn't work. Unless you wanted to pull out the troops. In the midst of chaos, unless you wanted to create civil war in Iraq. These are the facts that Senator Obama ignored a year ago. It now turns out had you not had the surge, either we would be in a much worse situation in Iraq, or as the Democrats and Harry Reid wanted to do, would have declared that we would have losed and pulled out. GREGORY: Do you think Obama lacks sound foreign policy judgment on Iraq? GIULIANI: I think he lacks experience. I think its clear. Actually I think there is nothing clearer in this campaign that Senator Obama doesn't have the usual that a Presidential candidate has and particularly at a time as sensitive as this. GREGORY: But he wants to focus on Pakistan, Iran, all those areas in Afghanistan, something you called for during your Presidential campaign. GIULIANI: We all called for that, including Senator McCain. We had the exact same position on it. We were talking about it long before Senator Obama was talking about it. We should put more emphasis on Pakistan, and Afghanistan, that region. I've been calling for that for 2 years. And even longer. After all, we don't want the Taliban to reemerge after the good work we did in 2002. And they are reemerging.<https://issuealliance.box.net/shared/vzy68u7swg> *Highlight #3* *Giuliani: Never Give a Timeline for Withdrawal, Times Guilty of Censorship *(CNN 07/22/08 7:59am) KIRAN CHETRY: Rudy Giuliani . . . said Obama's trip highlights his inexperience and he joins me now. RUDY GIULIANI: It's extraordinary. It's going to be his first trip on Germany. His first trip to Germany, he's running for president of the United States. CHETRY: . . . he didn't have any missteps in any of the countries. GIULIANI: I think he did. The interview I saw last night saying he would vote the exactly the same way on the surge now after having gone there so what kind of fact-finding trip is this? It's just to find the facts that he wants. The reality is that Iraq is now 80% safer than it was a year ago before surge . . . everyone is talking about the fact it's been successful, and the reason we can talk about withdrawal on success rather than withdrawal with loss and ignominy, which is what we were talking about earlier is because the surge was successful . . . CHETRY: Let me ask you this, because . . . it appears that Barack Obama and Iraq's president are on the same page talking about 16 months when we'd see a majority of U.S. troops out of Iraq. GIULIANI: Somehow I knew it would be a favorable headline for Barack Obama. How did I guess that? How did I know this was going to result – CHETRY: Is John McCain also moving his timeline up? Because he previously said the majority of the troops out 2013 if all goes well. GIULIANI: He did. CHETRY: Yesterday he seemed to indicate that 2010 may not be out of the realm. GIULIANI: The extraordinary thing about this is that Barack Obama goes to an Iraq that he wanted to pull out a year ago. Declare an American loss, and we have a victory against all of the odds, particularly most of the media predicting it. And John McCain -- if we're looking at a president who has the judgment and experience to handle foreign policy and military policy on this major call, John McCain was right, and Barack Obama was completely, absolutely wrong. Had we followed his prescription CHIETRY: Is Barack Obama right about the 16-month timeline for when we can probably see the majority of the US. troops out? GIULIANI*: My view? My view is you never give a timeline for a withdrawal, that it is dangerous for troops to do that.* CHETRY: We got the news early this morning, in fact, that it appears one of our top allies, the UK, is giving a timeline as well, saying the majority of their troops could probably be out, especially the Basra area by 2009. GIULIANI: First of all, I don't like the idea of timelines for withdrawal in times before, I've never heard of it before where in the middle of the war you say we're going to pull out this date, that date, this other date. You create a tremendous advantage for your enemy. You create a whole focus for knowing how to create disturbance and chaos and the exact right time . . . There is a subtlety to it. If what you're talking about is as we have success we will withdrawal and we will make the determination of when that is, and hopefully that success will continue. It will come in a year, two years or three years, that's fine. CHETRY: Is it the United States or is it the Iraqi government to seems to be much more eager? GIULIANI: We'll work it out together . . . first we have to establish our view and then we have to negotiate it with them . . . the president put this best a long time ago when he announced the surge. I liked the way he put it . . . he said, yes, we're going to withdraw. We're going to withdraw on success. And now because of the success of the surge -- which Barack Obama opposed, strongly, and John McCain was the strongest advocate of, because of that surge we can talk about the possibility of withdrawal in a realistic way. CHETRY: Now, in a draft copy of the op-ed that John McCain submitted to *The New York Times* he talked about that. He talked about the surge situation. I want to ask you— GIULIANI: Which they wouldn't publish! CHETRY: I want to ask you about the situation. They wouldn't publish it in the current form. They said it was more a rebuttal, it was more a bashing of Barack Obama as opposed to specifics about troop withdrawals and timelines. You yourself have had op-eds. Is it a back-and-forth process? GIULIANI: I've never read a reply that the editor is basically telling you that you have to respond to your opponent. I'm not happy with what you said. I want you to have timelines. I want you do have dates. CHETRY: So that is something unusual. *The Times* is saying it's the back and forth that is usually? GIULIANI: That's not the back and forth I've had. I've written many op-eds including *The New York Times*. Sometimes argue over, it's too long, it's too short. There's a paragraph or two that doesn't make sense. It's more of an analysis of your composition and your English and does that make sense. But what that report back from the *Times* is saying is that they want to change the content CHETRY: So they wanted more specifics? . . . it's the kind of censorship that *The New York Times* rails about, they are trying to impose on John McCain . . . *Highlight #4* *Bash Reports on McCain's Activities while Obama is Away *(FNC 07/22/08 6:32am) JOHN ROBERTS: McCain says he, not Obama, has had the correct message all along and as Dana Bash tells us, the message is resonating with voters . . . DANA BASH: . . . when John McCain was asked by reporters whether or not he's finding it hard to get attention while Barack Obama is overseas, he shrugged and said, "It is what it is." But that belies an intense effort inside the McCain camp to keep Obama from using this trip abroad to burnish his foreign policy credentials. JOHN MCCAIN: It was the surge that was, that is, that is winning this war. He opposed it. BASH: John McCain's message: Barack Obama may have the spotlight but I'm the one that should get the credit. MCCAIN: When you win wars, troops come home, and we are winning. And the fact is, if we'd've done what Senator Obama wanted to do, we would've lost and would've had a wider war. BASH: What McCain aides are trying to protect is one of the few areas where he beats Obama. Big time. Ability to be Commander in Chief. The latest *Washington Post* poll gives McCain a twenty-four point lead on the issue and some Republicans are quite alarmed at the Iraqi Prime Minister's weekend comments that appeared to support Obama's 16-month withdrawal deadline which McCain opposes. [to McCain] Does it trouble you that that seems to undercut the message that you have against Barack Obama? MCCAIN: Doesn't in the slightest undercut the fact that it's based on conditions on the ground. BASH: McCain pointed to the US Military commander for political back-up. Joint Chiefs Mike Mullen who said this Sunday about Obama's withdrawal plan. MIKE MULLEN: I think the consequences could be very dangerous in that regard. MCCAIN: I hope we'll pay attention to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, particularly someone who has no military experience whatsoever. BASH: *That line hitting Obama about lacking military experience was no accident. With everyone from the White House to the Iraqi government talking more and more about troop withdrawal, what McCain is trying to do is make this a debate about who's best to be sitting in the oval office to make tough calls on how and when to bring troops home* . . . *Highlight #5* *For Conservative Christians Obama/McCain Choice is Between a "Third-Rate Fireman and a First-Class Arsonist" *(FNC 07/22/08 6:51am) STEVE DOOCY: John McCain could get a crucial boost from one influential Christian conservative leader. Dr. James Dobson says he might reverse his position and endorse McCain. Could this prompt other evangelical leaders to follow suit and why is Dobson now reconsidering? [ . . . ] GRETCHEN CARLSON: I want to ask you about Dr. Dobson because he came out originally and said . . . I just really can't support John McCain and now on his radio show yesterday, he's saying, well, hmm, maybe . . . what will the influence be to the layperson? RICHARD LANG: Well, I think it'll have more impact with lay people than it will with anybody else because Dr. Dobson has a huge following . . . it will have a big impact if he chooses to endorse Sen. McCain. DOOCY: One of the things that Dobson said . . . . was *John McCain, the lesser of two evils. He simply does not like Barack Obama's stance on abortion. He's pro-abortion. Is that your feeling as well?* LANG: Well, I think Sen. Obama is one of the most radically pro-abortion candidate to ever be nominated by a major party . . . [ . . . ] LANG: . . . what I hear all the time from people all across the country who are evangelicals is look, John McCain wasn't my first choice, *John McCain wasn't my second choice but I'll take a third-rate fireman over a first-class arsonist and they see Barack Obama as a first-class arsonist for the things they believe in . . .*<https://issuealliance.box.net/shared/ykamia74g8> * Highlight #6* *Blackburn Confronted For Saying Obama Not Listening To Iraqis, Presses Support For Surge* (MSNBC 07/22/08) RON ALLEN: Representative, Senator McCain was really pushing for Barack Obama to go to Iraq, but now it appears that Obama's plan for withdrawal really closely matches what the Iraqis are saying. So, does John McCain still believe that foreign policy, national security, is a weakness for Obama? MARSHA BLACKBURN: Well Ron I'm going to have to tell you: *Senator Obama thinks his plan matches the Iraqis and General Petraeus, then he must not have taken his earplugs out when he got out of that C130 from going into Iraq*. Because what we continue to hear is that it can't be date driven, that its got to be facts on the ground that decide when troops leave. ALLEN: *But correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Prime Minister said he envisions U.S. troops being gone by 2010 which again matches somewhat the 16 month timeline that*- BLACKBURN: What he envisions is conditions improving and of course we know that Maliki would like to see things improve quickly-as would we-we all, we want our troops to leave in victory. And we want things to be stable in Iraq. And we know what we have to see is the right conditions on the ground. Facts have to be there. We need to be listening to the troops. We need to be listening to the generals because they're the ones that have the best measure and I've got troops that are in their 3rd deployment. Our troops from Fort Campbell are in that third deployment. I get the best information from them. I found Ron that they are the realists. ALLEN: Let me ask you this. What does John McCain envision for the right circumstance in the ground? I believe he expects most troops to be out by the end of his first term, but at the same time he says that the surge is working and accomplishing his mission. So if the surge is working, why can't the troops leave sooner? BLACKBURN: Well the surge is working. And I have found it so interesting that Senator Obama would say that he didn't think the surge worked then he was the beneficiary of being there, being protected by those troops who have carried that surge out and have made the surge work. It has provided improvement in Iraq. Even I was reading the transcript of an interview he had with a ABC correspondent who was recounting the amount of improvement there in Iraq and still he was denying that the surge was there. So [cross talk] create those facts how you want them to be. The point is the surge has worked. And things are better. Now there are no garauntees, everybody knows that. We all hope to see a stable secure Iraq who is a partner with us. <https://issuealliance.box.net/shared/2sghinz0gg> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the "big campaign" group. To post to this group, send to [email protected] To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] E-mail [email protected] with questions or concerns This is a list of individuals. It is not affiliated with any group or organization. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---