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1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
2 WEST PALM BEACH DIVISION
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8 IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR
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12 Grand Jury #07-103 (WPB)
West Palm Beach, Florida
13 Tuesday, February 6, 2007
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15 TESTIMONY
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21 APPEARANCE:
22 ASSISTANT U. S. ATTORNEY
FOREPERSON
23 COURT REPORTER
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OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE (954) 467-8204
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3 The sworn testimony of was taken
4 before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division,
5 701 clematis street, west Palm Beach, Palm Beach County,
6 State of Florida, on the 6th day of February, 2007.
7 , Registered Merit Reporter and Notary
8 Public was authorized to and did report the sworn
9 testimony.
10 Thereupon,
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12 a witness of lawful age, having been first duly sworn by
13 the foreperson, testified on her oath as follows:
14 BY MS. VILLAFANA:
15 Q , please state and
16 spell your name for the record.
17 A It is and I work for
18 the FBI in Palm Beach County
19 Q Can you spell your last name, please.
20 A I'm sorry, it is
21 Q And I know we have some people in the back
22 having trouble hearing you. You said that you work for
23 the FBI. Can you tell the Grand Jury what particular
24 group you are employed with?
25 A I am with the in
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1 Palm Beach County, I work primarily crimes against
2 children, but have been an agent for the last
3 approximately 10 years.
4 Q Have you received specialized training in the
5 area of crimes against children?
6 A Yes, I have.
7 Q As part of your employment with the FBI have
8 you been involved in an investigation of Jeffrey
9 Epstein?
10 A Yes, I have.
11 Q And can you tell us who Jeffrey Epstein is?
12 A Jeffrey Epstein is an investment advisor who
13 has a part-time residence in the town of Palm Beach, he
14 has got multiple residences across the country to
15 include a ranch in New Mexico, an island in the virgin
16 Isles, and multiple aircrafts, two airplanes and a
17 helicopter to be exact, and --
18 Q And where is his primary residence?
19 A His primary residence, he has an office in New
20 York, but his primary residence I believe is the island.
21 Q In the virgin Islands?
22 A Yes.
23 Q He also has a home in New York, correct?
24 A Yes.
25 Q HOW is it that you started investigating
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1 Mr. Epstein?
2 A The Palm Beach Police Department in March of
3 2005 initiated an investigation on Mr. Epstein involving
4 multiple underage females that had visited Mr. Epstein's
5 residence and had performed sexual massages or massages
6 for Mr. Epstein of a sexual nature.
7 Mr. Epstein paid the underage females anywhere
8 from 200 to $400, that investigation was around an 8 to
9 10-month investigation, and at that point we became
10 involved in about July of 2006.
11 Q And once the case was presented to you by the
12 Palm Beach Police Department did the FBI open its own
13 investigation?
14 A Yes, yes, we initiated our investigation in
15 July of 2006, we took a look at focusing in on the
16 underage minors and in our investigation we interviewed
17 many of the girls that were underage and we did an
18 independent investigation issuing Grand Jury subpoenas
19 as well as administrative subpoenas getting different
20 documents of financial records, telephone analysis,
21 flight manifests, looking to see if Mr. Epstein engaged
22 in sexual activity with these females.
23 Q All right. And just so the Grand Jury is
24 clear, were some of the girls who went to Mr. Epstein's
25 house 18 or older?
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1 A Yes.
2 Q And then there were some that were under the
3 age of 18, correct?
4 A Yes.
5 Q And as part of the federal investigation did
6 you have to investigate what we call the interstate
7 nexus aspect of the case?
8 A Yes.
9 Q And can you explain to the Grand Jury what
10 that is?
11 A we looked at -- Mr. Epstein, as I mentioned
12 earlier, has two aircrafts, and we focused in on the
13 year 2004, 2005, he took approximately 60 trips to his
14 residence in Palm Beach, the majority of that time
15 focusing in on his assistant's cell phone, which his
16 assistant's name is , we took a look at her
17 cell phone records and the majority of the times that
18 Mr. Epstein would fly into Palm Beach Mrs. -- Ms.
19 would contact many of our underage victims either prior
20 to coming into Palm Beach, the day of, the day before,
21 even the day after, and certainly throughout the time
22 that Mr. Epstein was at his residence in Palm Beach.
23 Q And from the interviews of the girls that have
24 been conducted, what was the subject of those telephone
25 calls?
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1 A Can you restate the question?
2 Q Sure. From the interviews of the girls that
3 have been conducted, what was the subject matter of the
4 telephone calls from ?
5 A would schedule the underage girls
6 to come and work, perform the massages for Mr. Epstein,
7 so she was responsible, she as well as another
8 assistant, , they were his personal
9 assistants who would set up appointments for Mr. Epstein
10 for the girls to come and perform their sexual massages.
11 Q All right. is also considered a
12 target of this investigation?
13 A Yes, she is.
14 Q And I will just I will spell
15 for the Grand Jury. The first name is
16 and the last name is spelled
17 and does Ms. have a new last
18 name?
19 A Yes, she does, she is married and her name is
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21 Q Is ms. at least a subject of
22 this investigation, in other words, you are
23 investigating her activity?
24 A we are looking at that.
25 Q In addition to those two assistants, from the
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1 interviews of the girls, is there anyone else who is
2 associated with mr. Epstein who is thought to be
3 involved in this activity?
4 A has been referred to as his
5 companion, girl friend, personal assistant, she through
6 the testimony of the girls has engaged in sexual
7 activity with at least three of the underage minors.
8 Q And is so Ms.
9 is also at least a subject of the
10 investigation, correct?
11 A Yes, she is.
12 Q Now, as part of this investigation you
13 mentioned that subpoenas were issued on behalf of either
14 the old Grand Jury or this Grand Jury.
15 can you run through what subpoenas have been
16 issued and what documents have been received in response
17 to that?
18 A Sure. we issued a Grand Jury subpoena to
19 colonial Bank and we received financial records on
20 credit card accounts and individuals.
21 we subpoenaed washington mutual and they did a
22 search and were unable to locate records at this time.
23 we issued a Grand Jury subpoena for Capital One and
24 served that and that is still unresolved at this time as
25 far as them providing documents to us.
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1 We have subpoenaed Chase Credit Card and we
2 have received documents from Chase. we have subpoenaed
3 two businesses that Mr. Epstein has at least partial
4 ownership or associated to, Hyperion Air, Inc. and JEGE,
5 Inc., they were issued subpoenas and they have provided
6 documentation to us.
7 we have subpoenaed Mr. , who is a
8 pilot of Mr. Epstein's, and we have received
9 documentation from we have subpoenaed DTG
10 Operations, who is doing business as Dollar Rent-A-car,
11 and we have received car rental agreements and financial
12 records from that business.
13 we have subpoenaed Royal Palm Beach High
14 School and have received documentation regarding the
15 students' records. We have subpoenaed three or four of
16 the victims, being the first, and we have
17 received a bathing suit from
18 we issued a Grand Jury subpoena to
19 , we actually have issued three subpoenas,
20 and we are still working on resolving her Grand Jury
21 material as well as testimony.
22 We have issued a subpoena, we
23 have issued -- she also is one of our underage victims.
24 we've issued Reimer Employment Agency a Grand Jury
25 subpoena and we have received documentation, that is an
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1 employment agency located on the island of Palm Beach.
2 we have subpoenaed the Palm Beach Police
3 Department for their evidence in this case and we have
4 received that. By the way, that is the only thing that
5 I did not bring with me today, I brought everything
6 else, but it is rather a lot of evidence, so we will
7 probably be bringing that to you another time.
8 we have issued the Clerk of Courts of the
9 State of Florida for Grand Jury transcripts in the state
10 matter and we have received those. we have issued the
11 Good Samaritan Hospital for billing records and we have
12 received those.
13 We have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to the
14 Dalton School located in New York and at this time they
15 do not have the records we have requested or could not
16 locate those.
17 we have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to Extra
18 Touch Flowers located here in west Palm Beach and we
19 have received documentation from them. we issued a
20 Grand Jury subpoena to , another pilot for
21 Mr. Epstein, we have spoken with him.
22 we have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to
23 another one of Mr. Epstein's pilots, and we
24 have received documentation as well as spoken to him.
25 we have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to
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1 who is the property manager currently for
2 Mr. Epstein at his Palm Beach residence, and we have
3 received documentation as well as spoken to him, and we
4 have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to
5 and have received some documentation and are still
6 awaiting a response.
7 Q Now, you mentioned that you didn't bring with
8 you the evidence that you received from the Palm Beach
9 Police Department, but did you bring with you all of the
10 other evidence that was received in response to the
11 subpoenas?
12 A I have.
13 Q And is that evidence in the two boxes that are
14 here in the front?
15 A Yes.
16 Q we will bring all of this back to you when we
17 present the indictment, but would anyone like to look at
18 any of the documentation today?
19 A GRAND JUROR: what does the documentation
20 constitute, basically, the subpoenas?
21 THE WITNESS: It is primarily business
22 records, flight manifests, stuff that came from him
23 traveling to and from Palm Beach, credit card
24 records, the businesses as far as the rental
25 agreement which involves some of the underage girls
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1 with the rental cars, and flower shop, you know.
2 A GRAND JUROR: Will we have an opportunity
3 later to go through these if we need to?
4 Yes, we will bring them when
5 we present the indictment. Yes, ma'am.
6 A GRAND JUROR: If I should hold this for
7 later let me know, she mentioned the hospital
8 records were subpoenaed, could more information
9 about why they were subpoenaed be provided at this
10 time?
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12 Q You can answer that.
13 A One of the girls that was an underage -- that
14 was underage at the time that is involved with
15 Mr. Epstein has had a baby and we were interested and
16 wondering if possibly he was the father of that baby,
17 which at this time we do not believe he was.
18 A GRAND JUROR: Thank you.
19 A question?
20 A GRAND JUROR: Did the flight manifest show
21 passengers on the plane?
22 THE WITNESS: Yes, they do.
23 A GRAND JUROR: Were any of the passengers the
24 underage girls that were a target of the
25 investigation?
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1 THE WITNESS: At this time we have not
2 associated any of these underage girls as being the
3 passengers. The flight manifests, sometimes the
4 pilot if they did not know who the passenger was
5 would put one passenger or one female, one male,
6 these were private planes and they, you know, may
7 not have felt like they can go up and ask, but we
8 don't have any evidence at this time to believe
9 that they were any of our victims.
10 Any follow-up? Any other
11 questions from the Grand Jury? Yes, ma'am.
12 A GRAND JUROR: The records that you
13 subpoenaed from the high school, what were they
14 used for or why were they instrumental in the
15 investigation?
16 THE WITNESS: Those are the girls' school
17 records and we are just looking at the girls'
18 records.
19 A GRAND JUROR: Absenteeism?
20 THE WITNESS: Just looking at some of their
21 grades and performances and how they did in school .
22 Ladies and gentlemen, before
23 we continue, the witness has mentioned a few names
24 of the minors and that is confidential information,
25 obviously everything that you hear within these
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1 walls is confidential.
2 BY
3 Q Now, ! after -- in
4 addition to issuing the subpoenas, you mentioned that
5 one of the subpoenas was to the Palm Beach Police
6 Department. Did you review any of the evidence that
7 they collected?
8 A Yes.
9 Q And can you, for example, did the Palm Beach
10 Police Department interview any girls?
11 A Yes, they did, they interviewed several of the
12 girls, most of the girls, they took taped statements
13 from the girls either in the form of a tape-recorder or
14 through video.
15 Q And you have reviewed some of those
16 interviews, correct?
17 A Yes, we have.
18 Q And has the FBI performed any interviews?
19 A Yes, we have, we have performed interviews of
20 past and current employees of Mr. Epstein as well as
21 focusing in on the girls, the girls that were underage
22 at the time of the sexual activity, we wanted to
23 determine with these girls, again, the sexual activity
24 that took place with Mr. Epstein as well as how old they
25 were at the time, if they traveled with Mr. Epstein, any
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1 gifts that they may have gotten, so we did reach out to
2 several of the underage minors and gathered more
3 information from them.
4 Q And through the FBI's investigation has the
5 FBI identified additional victims that perhaps the state
6 police officers did not know about?
7 A Yes, we are still trying to identify, get
8 first names of girls and going back and looking through
9 school yearbooks and attempting to try to locate friends
10 of friends, so we are still in the process, when you
11 interview one of the girls and you ask if any of their
12 friends went, they sometimes will give you other names,
13 so we are in the process of still uncovering victims and
14 reaching out and interviewing additional girls that we
15 believe possibly were underage at the time of this
16 sexual activity.
17 Q If I could ask you to step outside.
18 (The witness was excused from the Grand Jury
19 room.)
20 (Questions posed by the Grand Jury.)
21 (The witness was recalled to testify before
22 the Grand Jury.)
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24 Q one of the Grand
25 Jurors asked whether there was any evidence of force or
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1 coercion.
2 A when talking to the girls they were told that
3 they may have to -- they were going there to perform a
4 massage, possibly model lingerie, they went there
5 sometimes on multiple occasions and they may start off
6 wearing their clothing and then he would instruct them
7 to remove their clothing, the girls either performed
8 these massages in the nude or keeping their underwear
9 on.
10 As they went back again and again on some of
11 the occasions the girls would take off more and more of
12 their clothing, so when they first started they may be
13 fully clothed and then when they came back he would
14 instruct them to remove more of their clothing, so as
15 far as coercion, they were paid $200 to $400 to perform
16 these massages.
17 They are not trained in performing massages,
18 they don't -- they are not masseuses, but yet if you ask
19 if they were coerced, they were paid quite a bit of
20 money for 30 to 45 minutes work.
21 Some of the girls, being that they were minors
22 going to his residence, got in over their heads and did
23 not always return or come back, some of our victims did
24 not come back after, you know, they did go down to their
25 thong underwear and Mr. Epstein did perform sexual acts
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1 either by -- and I didn't get into that, but either by
2 stroking their vagina on the outside of their panties or
3 sometimes inside their panties as well as fondling them,
4 and the girls, many of our victims did not realize that
5 that was what was going to happen.
6 Q And was there one instance where Mr. Epstein
7 actually engaged in vaginal intercourse with a girl
8 against her will?
9 A Yes, he did, one of our victims who had been
10 going there over a lengthy period of time had told
11 Mr. Epstein on several occasions that he was not to do
12 that and he did turn her around, threw her on the
13 massage table and penetrated her.
14 Q A Grand Juror asked how old Mr. Epstein is.
15 A He was 45 at the time that we are looking at
16 him at that time period.
17 Q A Grand Juror asked if you know the proportion
18 of girls who were underage versus 18 or older.
19 A The majority of the girls that we are looking
20 at are victims, well, all of our victims that we are
21 looking at were under the age of 18.
22 As far as all of the girls that have been
23 interviewed, the majority definitely were under 18. To
24 give you a number, 1 would have to go and count, but I
25 would say in the state investigation there were over 25
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1 girls identified and more than a majority would have
2 been under the age of 18.
3 Q A Grand Juror asked whether we have obtained
4 Mr. Epstein's DNA and whether there was any DNA testing
5 of the baby that you spoke of earlier.
6 A No, we have not.
7 Q A Grand Juror asked how Mr. Epstein would make
8 contact with the girls, was this done via computer or in
9 some other method?
10 A I am sorry, , his personal
11 assistant, would contact, or on some occasions
12 would also contact the girls via their cell
13 phone and we have message pads from the residents that
14 also indicate the girls calling the home in response to
15 some of those phone calls, so they would call,
16 would call, the majority of the calls were made
17 by to the girls arranging for these, you
18 know, can you come at this time, can you come at that
19 time.
20 Q And is the cellular telephone a facility of
21 interstate commerce?
22 A Yes, it is.
23 Q And then one of the Grand Jurors asked whether
24 the assistants knew that the girls were underage or
25 committed sex acts.
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1 Did anybody, have you interviewed anybody who
2 affirmatively told you that they told their
3 age or what was going on behind closed doors?
4 A No, no, not at this time, not at this time.
5 Q And what leads you to believe that she, for
6 example, knew or should have known what was
7 going on?
8 A There are so many girls that
9 contacted to give mr. Epstein massages that have no
10 training in massages, and that was aware
11 that girls were bringing other girls, you know, their
12 friends to do these massages.
13 was also making appointments for
14 legitimate massages for Mr. Epstein from legitimate
15 masseuses that would come and give him massages, so the
16 number of girls, their appearances at the time would
17 lead us to believe that had knowledge that
18 these girls were underage.
19 Q All right. Thank you very much. Those were
20 all the questions from the Grand Jury.
21 A GRAND JUROR: Actually, I have two more,
22 but.
23 Okay.
24 A GRAND JUROR: what was the actual age range
25 of these girls?
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1 THE WITNESS: 14 to I mean.
2 A GRAND JUROR: The other one was, how did Ms.
3 actually originally get these girls, how
4 were they brought in, I mean how were they, you
5 know, because you said she called them when he was
6 arriving, but how did these girls come into this in
7 the first place?
8 A GRAND JUROR: Could she speak louder?
9 , we
10 just had a request that you speak louder.
11 A GRAND JUROR: 14 and what?
12 THE WITNESS: Our victims were 14 to 17, but
13 we have girls that are 18, we have girls that are
14 20, we have girls that are in their early 20s, and
15 your question was?
16 A GRAND JUROR: How did she originally get
17 them in in the first place?
18 THE WITNESS: We are focusing in on 2004,
19 2005, we have some evidence to show that this
20 activity was taking place even earlier than that,
21 certainly to include 2003 if you look at the
22 message pads, but focusing in on 2004, 2005, the
23 chain started with one of our minors and from that
24 minor who goes to the house, Mr. Epstein tells
25 her -- sees that she is maybe not comfortable with
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1 doing the massage the way he would like it and
2 tells her that she could bring other girls to do
3 the massages and she in fact if she brought another
4 girl she would be paid $200 for just bringing
5 another girl, so there starts the chain, and
6 Mr. Epstein would ask the girls or would ask
7 the girls for their phone numbers so each time, you
8 know, if one of the girls brought a girl and he
9 liked her he would ask for her phone number, ask
10 her to leave the phone number, or
11 would get the phone number and then that girl would
12 maybe bring, because if you brought somebody you
13 didn't have to do the massage, but you also got
14 paid for bringing a new person, so not only if you
15 did the massage would you get anywhere from 200 to
16 400, but if you brought a new female you would
17 receive 200 or $400.
18 A GRAND JUROR: Do you know how she solicited
19 that original minor?
20 THE WITNESS: I don't. well, I know that
21 minor was approached by two individuals and we have
22 interviewed one of those individuals who we can
23 connect back to Mr. Epstein four years, possibly,
24 prior to this, and stated that his job was actually
25 to drive some of the girls to the residence and
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1 that's pretty much where we start off.
2 Would the Grand Jury like
3 to maintain the records
4 that we received in response to the subpoenas?
5 A GRAND JUROR: Maintain versus what?
6 A GRAND JUROR: What is our choice?
7 I don't know that there is. I
8 guess I could maintain them, but I don't believe we
9 have secure storage in here.
10 would you like 5, to
11 maintain custody?
12 A GRAND JUROR: Yes.
13 : You should have something to
14 swear her in as a custodian.
15 (The witness was sworn in as the custodian of
16 records.)
17 : Thank you, ladies and
18 gentlemen, I am the last person for today, so you
19 guys are free to go and we will see you probably in
20 a couple of weeks, we will be seeing a lot of you.
21 (The witness was excused from the Grand Jury
22 room.)
23 (The testimony of the witness concluded
24 before the Grand Jury.)
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR
Federal Grand Jury, 07-103
West Palm Beach, Florida
February 27, 2007
APPEARANCES:
ESQUIRE
Assistant United States Attorney
Foreperson
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(The witness entered the grand jury room.)
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3 having been duly sworn by the grand jury foreperson,
4 was examined and testified on her oath as follows:
5 EXAMINATION
6 BY
7 Q Good morning, . Could
8 you restate and spell your name for the record.
9 A It's
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11 Q Can you remind the grand jury who you are
12 employed by?
13 A The FBI.
14 Q I know that you testified here a few weeks ago.
15 Was there anything from that testimony that you wanted to
16 correct?
17 A I did. I was asked by one of you Mr. Epstein's
18 age, and I confused him with another individual in another
19 one of my cases. His birthdate is January 20, 1953. We
20 are looking at the time period of 2004 and 2005. So
21 Mr. Epstein would have been about 51 or 52-years-old, and
22 I believe I told you he was 45. So at the time we're
23 looking during this investigation, he is 51 or 52.
24 Q , how did this case first come
25 to the attention of the police?
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1 A In March of 2005, our youngest
2 identified victim -- called the Palm Beach
3 police department and reported that she believed that her
4 had been molested by a male that resided in
5 the town of Palm Beach.
6 So today we are going to talk about
7 A Yes.
8 Q And we are using her initial to protect her
9 identity, correct?
10 A Yes.
11 Q Can you tell the grand jury date of
12 birth?
13 A birthday is
14 Q And you mentioned that the call came in ttom
15 in March of 2005, correct?
16 A Yes.
17 Q So how old was at that time?
18 A She was 14.
19 Q Where does live?
20 A lives in the Loxahatchee-Royal Palm Beach
21 area here in Palm Beach County.
22 At the time, in 2005, what school was she
23 attending?
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25 Q What year was she in school?
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1 A She was a ninth-grader there.
2 Q You mentioned that her called the
3 Palm Beach police department. What did the police
4 department do in response to that call?
5 A They wanted to interview I believe it was
6 the next day they went out to where =Gas attending
7 school at that time, which I think was They
8 interviewed at d wanted to get her side
9 of what took place.
10 Q Because we'll be referring to this throughout,
11 what was the name of the detective who conducted that
12 first interview?
13 A Detective
14 Q So in March of 2005, detective talked with
15 Was ever interviewed at any other times?
16 A Yes. She was interviewed -- they talked to her
17 again. She placed some controlled calls for them later
18 that month, we will talk about that later. As well as
19 she was interviewed about a year later in July of 2006.
20 Not interviewed, but she testified before the grand jury
21 for the State of Florida. So she was interviewed by
22 detective Pagan in March of 2005, and then about a year or
23 three or four months later, in July of 2006, she testified
24 before a grand jury with the State of Florida.
25 Q In preparation for your appearance today, did
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1 you have a chance to interview
2 A Yes, I did.
3 Q And when was that?
4 A Last night.
5 Q Back in March of 2005, you mentioned that
6 detective met with on or more than one
7 occasion?
8 A Yes.
9 Q If you could give us sort of an overview of what
10 reported during these interviews, and then if there
11 are specific discrepancies or differences, we will return
12 to those later.
13 A All right. On February 5, 2005, it was a
14 Saturday, and was at house, She
15 was there with her boyfriend, And because these
16 are minors, we'll refer to them without using their last
17 names, so I'll use those initials.
18 They were at residence, and is
19 boyfriend, which is also cousin. So they
20 were all at house, and was on the phone with
21 an individual that prefers to as the assistant.
22 described the assistant as a tall blonde.
23 So throughout I'll refer to her as the blonde lady, if
24 that's okay. was unable to recall her name. So
25 is on the phone with the assistant for Jeffrey
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1 Epstein.
2 and overhear on the phone
3 describing (describing to the lady on
4 the phone. So when gets off the phone, and
5 both want to know why was being described to
6 this lady on the phone. Zach becomes upset when
7 asks if she would like to go to Palm Beach and give a
8 man a massage that she knows. agrees, and this
9 upsets'''. and an argument ensues wherell'Illand
10 go into the bathroom and they argue outside the presence
11 of
12 Q Let me stop you there. Was supposed to be
13 paid for giving this massage?
14 A Yes. told that she would be paid
15 $200 or $300, I believe.
16 0 You mentioned that is boyfriend, and
17 Zach is also cousin, correct?
18 A Yes.
19 Q What was idea about why they were
20 arguing?
21 A She has told us that she believed that must
22 have known what was doing for this man and the work
23 that did for Mr. Epstein, and that is why was
24 so upset.
25 Q So knew that this wasn't just a regular
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1 massage that was going to take place?
2 A Yes.
3 Q So and have this argument. What does
4 decide to do?
5 A decides to go.
6 Q Because she wanted to make the $200 or $300?
7 A Yes.
8 Q So tell us then what happened after that
9 meeting?
10 A The next day, February 6 -- they discussed that
11 evening about going the next day. We do have on
12 phone records two calls that were placed. One was placed
13 to Kellin's cell phone, and the other was placed to
14 Jeffrey Epstein's residence the night of February 5.
15 The next day is contacted a couple of times
16 before arrives. Each time prior to being
17 contacted by a call is placed by to
18 Kellin's cell phone. Kellin, I should tell you, is
19 Jeffrey's assistant.
20 So on Sunday a call was placed to Kellin,
21 and then shortly after that a call was made to That
22 same series occurs again, but this timeillilliplaces a
23 call to Mr. Epstein's residence, and then is called
24 again.
25 Eventually, comes to residence with
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another girl in the car, So the two of them
2 arrive at residence, and they continue over to
3 Mr. Epstein's house.
4 Q is driving with and . Do you
know how they were sitting?
A You know, I'm not sure how they were sitting,
7 but I know that it was a pickup truck that drove,
8 and was the driver. I'm not sure exactly the
9 placement of the other two girls, but they were in the
10 truck.
11 Q And ■ was able to describe how they travelled
12 to the island of Palm Beach?
13 A Yes. She gave directions -- you know, the best
14 that she could on how she was able to come to
15 Mr. Epstein's residence.
16 Once they arrived at the residence, what
17 happened?
18 A I should have mentioned that either the night
19 before or the day of, there were some things that
20 tells One, she tells that she is to tell, if
21 asked, that she is 18-years-of-age, that she attends high
22 school, that she's in the 12th grade, and I believe it was
23 Wellington High School that she was to say that she went
24 to.
25 Talking to last night, told us that
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1 once she arrived at the residence tells her that she
2 may possibly be asked to take her clothes off. She also
3 tells her that she can stay in her bra, but she may be
4 asked to take her clothes off. And told us last
5 night that that's when she knew for the first time that
6 she might have to possibly remove her clothes.
7 At this point they proceed to enter the
8 residence. =describes him as a security person. He
9 approached and asked what they were doing there, and
10 said they were there to see Mr. Epstein, or see Jeffrey.
11 He allowed them entry into the kitchen area by the pool,
12 and describes that area. So now and
13 are all sitting in the kitchen. A short time goes
14 by and Mr. Epstein, as well as the assistant, enter the
15 kitchen.
16 Q And I know that you mentioned that did not
17 know the name of the lady who was there in the kitchen,
18 correct?
19 A Right.
20 Q She just described her as a blonde, tall lady?
21 A Yes.
22 Q Was also interviewed about what happened
23 that day?
24 A She was interviewed by the Palm Beach police
25 department.
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1 Q Did identify the person who was on the
2 phone with her as
3 A Yes, she did.
4 Q So even though ■ doesn't know her name,
5 knew Hame?
6 A Yes.
7 Q So you mentioned that the three girls are in the
8 kitchen, along with Jeffrey and the person ■calls the
9 blonde lady?
10 A Yes.
11 Q What happened then?
12 A follows the blonde lady upstairs to
13 Mr. Epstein's bedroom. The blonde lady proceeds to take
14 out a massage table and set it up, prepare it. She also
15 takes out some lotions to be used during the massage.
16 told me last night that the blonde lady asked her to
17 remove her clothing, and then left the room and said that
18 Mr. Epstein would be in shortly.
19 Q what happened after she left the room?
20 A Shortly after that, Mr. Epstein does come into
21 the room and shakes s hand. told us last night
22 that Mr. Epstein told her to remove her clothing. He
23 leaves the room and comes back in just a towel, and he
24 tells her again to -- she is at that point -- when he
25 walked in the first time she had on her bra and her pants.
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1 When he comes back in, he tells her that she needs to take
2 her pants off. So she took her pants off. So now she's
3 in her bra and underwear.
4 Q At some point did Sage tell any of the people
who interviewed her what was running through her mind?
6 A She stated at one point that she was upstairs
7 with him, with the man, and that Maas downstairs. I
8 guess she says, "What coul do? She's downstairs,
9 I'm upstairs." So she did what she was asked to do.
10 Q So now you mention that Mr. Epstein is here
11 wearing just a towel, and has removed both her shirt
12 and her pants, is that correct?
13 A Yes.
14 Q Tell us what happens then?
15 A Mr. Epstein gets on the massage table lying on
16 his stomach and instructs how to do the massage. He
17 tells her to put some lotion on her hand and instructs her
18 on how to actually perform the massage. At one point
19 during the massage he tells ■ that she would be more
20 comfortable to get on top of him, so gets on top of
21 him and straddles Mr. Epstein's back.
22 The way describes it is Mr. Epstein is
23 laying on the table, he has a towel covering his bottom,
24 and she is straddling him with her bottom touching the
25 towel and some skin touching his lower back. She was kind
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1 of sitting -- it sounds like sitting on his rear end, but
2 with part of her skin touching him -- the front of him,
3 but he had a towel across his bottom.
4 What happens as she is providing the massage to
5 his back?
6 A The massage goes on. She said the entire
7 massage lasted anywhere from 30 to 45 minutes. At one
8 point Mr. Epstein excuses himself for a few minutes, one
9 or two minutes briefly. states that she can hear
10 Mr. Epstein moaning or groaning, and states that she
11 believes he was, in her words, 'wacking off' or
12 masturbating. She didn't say masturbating, she said
13 'wacking off.' I am going to use that she believes he was
14 masturbating.
15 Then he returns. At this point he gets back on
16 the table lying on his back and asks her to start
17 massaging his chest. So she begins to massage his chest.
18 Q Does he keep the towel on?
19 A No, at this point the towel is removed. When he
20 comes back and he gets back on the table, the towel is
21 removed and she is massaging his chest.
22 Q What does he do as she is massaging his chest?
23 A He moves his hand up and down his penis. So he
24 continued to masturbate on the table. He asked at
25 some point during this time, if she would like to make an
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extra $100. He tells her that it would not involve doing
a massage. agrees. He asked her if he could use a
vibrator on her, and she does agree. describes it as
a purple vibrator that was used
said this goes on for about ten minutes.
At some point during that massage the vibrator
is not used anymore and takes place.
describes him
Q What did she say happened when Mr. Epstein
10 digitally penetrated her?
11 A The vibrator is used. At some point he does
12 her. And these are her words. She
13 looks at him kind of funny, and he sarcastically -- which
14 is her word -- he sarcastically says, "What's the matter?"
15 And she at that point just kind of looks away, and he
16 continues on with the In the last
17 three to four minutes of that, he begins to masturbate
18 again.
19 At the conclusion of the sexual activity,
20 Mr. Epstein wipes his penis off with a towel. was
21 asked if he ejaculated. She did not see him ejaculate,
22 but saw him wipe his penis off with a towel.
23 Q Was able to
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
2 WEST PALM BEACH DIVISION
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8 IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR
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12 Grand Jury #07-103 (WPB)
West Palm Beach, Florida
13 Tuesday, February 6, 2007
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15 TESTIMONY
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21 APPEARANCE:
22 ASSISTANT U. S. ATTORNEY
FOREPERSON
23 COURT REPORTER
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3 The sworn testimony of was taken
4 before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division,
5 701 clematis street, west Palm Beach, Palm Beach County,
6 State of Florida, on the 6th day of February, 2007.
7 , Registered Merit Reporter and Notary
8 Public was authorized to and did report the sworn
9 testimony.
10 Thereupon,
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12 a witness of lawful age, having been first duly sworn by
13 the foreperson, testified on her oath as follows:
14 BY MS. VILLAFANA:
15 Q , please state and
16 spell your name for the record.
17 A It is and I work for
18 the FBI in Palm Beach County
19 Q Can you spell your last name, please.
20 A I'm sorry, it is
21 Q And I know we have some people in the back
22 having trouble hearing you. You said that you work for
23 the FBI. Can you tell the Grand Jury what particular
24 group you are employed with?
25 A I am with the in
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1 Palm Beach County, I work primarily crimes against
2 children, but have been an agent for the last
3 approximately 10 years.
4 Q Have you received specialized training in the
5 area of crimes against children?
6 A Yes, I have.
7 Q As part of your employment with the FBI have
8 you been involved in an investigation of Jeffrey
9 Epstein?
10 A Yes, I have.
11 Q And can you tell us who Jeffrey Epstein is?
12 A Jeffrey Epstein is an investment advisor who
13 has a part-time residence in the town of Palm Beach, he
14 has got multiple residences across the country to
15 include a ranch in New Mexico, an island in the virgin
16 Isles, and multiple aircrafts, two airplanes and a
17 helicopter to be exact, and --
18 Q And where is his primary residence?
19 A His primary residence, he has an office in New
20 York, but his primary residence I believe is the island.
21 Q In the virgin Islands?
22 A Yes.
23 Q He also has a home in New York, correct?
24 A Yes.
25 Q HOW is it that you started investigating
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1 Mr. Epstein?
2 A The Palm Beach Police Department in March of
3 2005 initiated an investigation on Mr. Epstein involving
4 multiple underage females that had visited Mr. Epstein's
5 residence and had performed sexual massages or massages
6 for Mr. Epstein of a sexual nature.
7 Mr. Epstein paid the underage females anywhere
8 from 200 to $400, that investigation was around an 8 to
9 10-month investigation, and at that point we became
10 involved in about July of 2006.
11 Q And once the case was presented to you by the
12 Palm Beach Police Department did the FBI open its own
13 investigation?
14 A Yes, yes, we initiated our investigation in
15 July of 2006, we took a look at focusing in on the
16 underage minors and in our investigation we interviewed
17 many of the girls that were underage and we did an
18 independent investigation issuing Grand Jury subpoenas
19 as well as administrative subpoenas getting different
20 documents of financial records, telephone analysis,
21 flight manifests, looking to see if Mr. Epstein engaged
22 in sexual activity with these females.
23 Q All right. And just so the Grand Jury is
24 clear, were some of the girls who went to Mr. Epstein's
25 house 18 or older?
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1 A Yes.
2 Q And then there were some that were under the
3 age of 18, correct?
4 A Yes.
5 Q And as part of the federal investigation did
6 you have to investigate what we call the interstate
7 nexus aspect of the case?
8 A Yes.
9 Q And can you explain to the Grand Jury what
10 that is?
11 A we looked at -- Mr. Epstein, as I mentioned
12 earlier, has two aircrafts, and we focused in on the
13 year 2004, 2005, he took approximately 60 trips to his
14 residence in Palm Beach, the majority of that time
15 focusing in on his assistant's cell phone, which his
16 assistant's name is , we took a look at her
17 cell phone records and the majority of the times that
18 Mr. Epstein would fly into Palm Beach Mrs. -- Ms.
19 would contact many of our underage victims either prior
20 to coming into Palm Beach, the day of, the day before,
21 even the day after, and certainly throughout the time
22 that Mr. Epstein was at his residence in Palm Beach.
23 Q And from the interviews of the girls that have
24 been conducted, what was the subject of those telephone
25 calls?
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1 A Can you restate the question?
2 Q Sure. From the interviews of the girls that
3 have been conducted, what was the subject matter of the
4 telephone calls from ?
5 A would schedule the underage girls
6 to come and work, perform the massages for Mr. Epstein,
7 so she was responsible, she as well as another
8 assistant, , they were his personal
9 assistants who would set up appointments for Mr. Epstein
10 for the girls to come and perform their sexual massages.
11 Q All right. is also considered a
12 target of this investigation?
13 A Yes, she is.
14 Q And I will just I will spell
15 for the Grand Jury. The first name is
16 and the last name is spelled
17 and does Ms. have a new last
18 name?
19 A Yes, she does, she is married and her name is
20
21 Q Is ms. at least a subject of
22 this investigation, in other words, you are
23 investigating her activity?
24 A we are looking at that.
25 Q In addition to those two assistants, from the
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1 interviews of the girls, is there anyone else who is
2 associated with mr. Epstein who is thought to be
3 involved in this activity?
4 A has been referred to as his
5 companion, girl friend, personal assistant, she through
6 the testimony of the girls has engaged in sexual
7 activity with at least three of the underage minors.
8 Q And is so Ms.
9 is also at least a subject of the
10 investigation, correct?
11 A Yes, she is.
12 Q Now, as part of this investigation you
13 mentioned that subpoenas were issued on behalf of either
14 the old Grand Jury or this Grand Jury.
15 can you run through what subpoenas have been
16 issued and what documents have been received in response
17 to that?
18 A Sure. we issued a Grand Jury subpoena to
19 colonial Bank and we received financial records on
20 credit card accounts and individuals.
21 we subpoenaed washington mutual and they did a
22 search and were unable to locate records at this time.
23 we issued a Grand Jury subpoena for Capital One and
24 served that and that is still unresolved at this time as
25 far as them providing documents to us.
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1 We have subpoenaed Chase Credit Card and we
2 have received documents from Chase. we have subpoenaed
3 two businesses that Mr. Epstein has at least partial
4 ownership or associated to, Hyperion Air, Inc. and JEGE,
5 Inc., they were issued subpoenas and they have provided
6 documentation to us.
7 we have subpoenaed Mr. , who is a
8 pilot of Mr. Epstein's, and we have received
9 documentation from we have subpoenaed DTG
10 Operations, who is doing business as Dollar Rent-A-car,
11 and we have received car rental agreements and financial
12 records from that business.
13 we have subpoenaed Royal Palm Beach High
14 School and have received documentation regarding the
15 students' records. We have subpoenaed three or four of
16 the victims, being the first, and we have
17 received a bathing suit from
18 we issued a Grand Jury subpoena to
19 , we actually have issued three subpoenas,
20 and we are still working on resolving her Grand Jury
21 material as well as testimony.
22 We have issued a subpoena, we
23 have issued -- she also is one of our underage victims.
24 we've issued Reimer Employment Agency a Grand Jury
25 subpoena and we have received documentation, that is an
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1 employment agency located on the island of Palm Beach.
2 we have subpoenaed the Palm Beach Police
3 Department for their evidence in this case and we have
4 received that. By the way, that is the only thing that
5 I did not bring with me today, I brought everything
6 else, but it is rather a lot of evidence, so we will
7 probably be bringing that to you another time.
8 we have issued the Clerk of Courts of the
9 State of Florida for Grand Jury transcripts in the state
10 matter and we have received those. we have issued the
11 Good Samaritan Hospital for billing records and we have
12 received those.
13 We have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to the
14 Dalton School located in New York and at this time they
15 do not have the records we have requested or could not
16 locate those.
17 we have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to Extra
18 Touch Flowers located here in west Palm Beach and we
19 have received documentation from them. we issued a
20 Grand Jury subpoena to , another pilot for
21 Mr. Epstein, we have spoken with him.
22 we have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to
23 another one of Mr. Epstein's pilots, and we
24 have received documentation as well as spoken to him.
25 we have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to
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1 who is the property manager currently for
2 Mr. Epstein at his Palm Beach residence, and we have
3 received documentation as well as spoken to him, and we
4 have issued a Grand Jury subpoena to
5 and have received some documentation and are still
6 awaiting a response.
7 Q Now, you mentioned that you didn't bring with
8 you the evidence that you received from the Palm Beach
9 Police Department, but did you bring with you all of the
10 other evidence that was received in response to the
11 subpoenas?
12 A I have.
13 Q And is that evidence in the two boxes that are
14 here in the front?
15 A Yes.
16 Q we will bring all of this back to you when we
17 present the indictment, but would anyone like to look at
18 any of the documentation today?
19 A GRAND JUROR: what does the documentation
20 constitute, basically, the subpoenas?
21 THE WITNESS: It is primarily business
22 records, flight manifests, stuff that came from him
23 traveling to and from Palm Beach, credit card
24 records, the businesses as far as the rental
25 agreement which involves some of the underage girls
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1 with the rental cars, and flower shop, you know.
2 A GRAND JUROR: Will we have an opportunity
3 later to go through these if we need to?
4 Yes, we will bring them when
5 we present the indictment. Yes, ma'am.
6 A GRAND JUROR: If I should hold this for
7 later let me know, she mentioned the hospital
8 records were subpoenaed, could more information
9 about why they were subpoenaed be provided at this
10 time?
11 BY
12 Q You can answer that.
13 A One of the girls that was an underage -- that
14 was underage at the time that is involved with
15 Mr. Epstein has had a baby and we were interested and
16 wondering if possibly he was the father of that baby,
17 which at this time we do not believe he was.
18 A GRAND JUROR: Thank you.
19 A question?
20 A GRAND JUROR: Did the flight manifest show
21 passengers on the plane?
22 THE WITNESS: Yes, they do.
23 A GRAND JUROR: Were any of the passengers the
24 underage girls that were a target of the
25 investigation?
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1 THE WITNESS: At this time we have not
2 associated any of these underage girls as being the
3 passengers. The flight manifests, sometimes the
4 pilot if they did not know who the passenger was
5 would put one passenger or one female, one male,
6 these were private planes and they, you know, may
7 not have felt like they can go up and ask, but we
8 don't have any evidence at this time to believe
9 that they were any of our victims.
10 Any follow-up? Any other
11 questions from the Grand Jury? Yes, ma'am.
12 A GRAND JUROR: The records that you
13 subpoenaed from the high school, what were they
14 used for or why were they instrumental in the
15 investigation?
16 THE WITNESS: Those are the girls' school
17 records and we are just looking at the girls'
18 records.
19 A GRAND JUROR: Absenteeism?
20 THE WITNESS: Just looking at some of their
21 grades and performances and how they did in school .
22 Ladies and gentlemen, before
23 we continue, the witness has mentioned a few names
24 of the minors and that is confidential information,
25 obviously everything that you hear within these
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2 BY
3 Q Now, ! after -- in
4 addition to issuing the subpoenas, you mentioned that
5 one of the subpoenas was to the Palm Beach Police
6 Department. Did you review any of the evidence that
7 they collected?
8 A Yes.
9 Q And can you, for example, did the Palm Beach
10 Police Department interview any girls?
11 A Yes, they did, they interviewed several of the
12 girls, most of the girls, they took taped statements
13 from the girls either in the form of a tape-recorder or
14 through video.
15 Q And you have reviewed some of those
16 interviews, correct?
17 A Yes, we have.
18 Q And has the FBI performed any interviews?
19 A Yes, we have, we have performed interviews of
20 past and current employees of Mr. Epstein as well as
21 focusing in on the girls, the girls that were underage
22 at the time of the sexual activity, we wanted to
23 determine with these girls, again, the sexual activity
24 that took place with Mr. Epstein as well as how old they
25 were at the time, if they traveled with Mr. Epstein, any
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1 gifts that they may have gotten, so we did reach out to
2 several of the underage minors and gathered more
3 information from them.
4 Q And through the FBI's investigation has the
5 FBI identified additional victims that perhaps the state
6 police officers did not know about?
7 A Yes, we are still trying to identify, get
8 first names of girls and going back and looking through
9 school yearbooks and attempting to try to locate friends
10 of friends, so we are still in the process, when you
11 interview one of the girls and you ask if any of their
12 friends went, they sometimes will give you other names,
13 so we are in the process of still uncovering victims and
14 reaching out and interviewing additional girls that we
15 believe possibly were underage at the time of this
16 sexual activity.
17 Q If I could ask you to step outside.
18 (The witness was excused from the Grand Jury
19 room.)
20 (Questions posed by the Grand Jury.)
21 (The witness was recalled to testify before
22 the Grand Jury.)
23 BY
24 Q one of the Grand
25 Jurors asked whether there was any evidence of force or
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1 coercion.
2 A when talking to the girls they were told that
3 they may have to -- they were going there to perform a
4 massage, possibly model lingerie, they went there
5 sometimes on multiple occasions and they may start off
6 wearing their clothing and then he would instruct them
7 to remove their clothing, the girls either performed
8 these massages in the nude or keeping their underwear
9 on.
10 As they went back again and again on some of
11 the occasions the girls would take off more and more of
12 their clothing, so when they first started they may be
13 fully clothed and then when they came back he would
14 instruct them to remove more of their clothing, so as
15 far as coercion, they were paid $200 to $400 to perform
16 these massages.
17 They are not trained in performing massages,
18 they don't -- they are not masseuses, but yet if you ask
19 if they were coerced, they were paid quite a bit of
20 money for 30 to 45 minutes work.
21 Some of the girls, being that they were minors
22 going to his residence, got in over their heads and did
23 not always return or come back, some of our victims did
24 not come back after, you know, they did go down to their
25 thong underwear and Mr. Epstein did perform sexual acts
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1 either by -- and I didn't get into that, but either by
2 stroking their vagina on the outside of their panties or
3 sometimes inside their panties as well as fondling them,
4 and the girls, many of our victims did not realize that
5 that was what was going to happen.
6 Q And was there one instance where Mr. Epstein
7 actually engaged in vaginal intercourse with a girl
8 against her will?
9 A Yes, he did, one of our victims who had been
10 going there over a lengthy period of time had told
11 Mr. Epstein on several occasions that he was not to do
12 that and he did turn her around, threw her on the
13 massage table and penetrated her.
14 Q A Grand Juror asked how old Mr. Epstein is.
15 A He was 45 at the time that we are looking at
16 him at that time period.
17 Q A Grand Juror asked if you know the proportion
18 of girls who were underage versus 18 or older.
19 A The majority of the girls that we are looking
20 at are victims, well, all of our victims that we are
21 looking at were under the age of 18.
22 As far as all of the girls that have been
23 interviewed, the majority definitely were under 18. To
24 give you a number, 1 would have to go and count, but I
25 would say in the state investigation there were over 25
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1 girls identified and more than a majority would have
2 been under the age of 18.
3 Q A Grand Juror asked whether we have obtained
4 Mr. Epstein's DNA and whether there was any DNA testing
5 of the baby that you spoke of earlier.
6 A No, we have not.
7 Q A Grand Juror asked how Mr. Epstein would make
8 contact with the girls, was this done via computer or in
9 some other method?
10 A I am sorry, , his personal
11 assistant, would contact, or on some occasions
12 would also contact the girls via their cell
13 phone and we have message pads from the residents that
14 also indicate the girls calling the home in response to
15 some of those phone calls, so they would call,
16 would call, the majority of the calls were made
17 by to the girls arranging for these, you
18 know, can you come at this time, can you come at that
19 time.
20 Q And is the cellular telephone a facility of
21 interstate commerce?
22 A Yes, it is.
23 Q And then one of the Grand Jurors asked whether
24 the assistants knew that the girls were underage or
25 committed sex acts.
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1 Did anybody, have you interviewed anybody who
2 affirmatively told you that they told their
3 age or what was going on behind closed doors?
4 A No, no, not at this time, not at this time.
5 Q And what leads you to believe that she, for
6 example, knew or should have known what was
7 going on?
8 A There are so many girls that
9 contacted to give mr. Epstein massages that have no
10 training in massages, and that was aware
11 that girls were bringing other girls, you know, their
12 friends to do these massages.
13 was also making appointments for
14 legitimate massages for Mr. Epstein from legitimate
15 masseuses that would come and give him massages, so the
16 number of girls, their appearances at the time would
17 lead us to believe that had knowledge that
18 these girls were underage.
19 Q All right. Thank you very much. Those were
20 all the questions from the Grand Jury.
21 A GRAND JUROR: Actually, I have two more,
22 but.
23 Okay.
24 A GRAND JUROR: what was the actual age range
25 of these girls?
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1 THE WITNESS: 14 to I mean.
2 A GRAND JUROR: The other one was, how did Ms.
3 actually originally get these girls, how
4 were they brought in, I mean how were they, you
5 know, because you said she called them when he was
6 arriving, but how did these girls come into this in
7 the first place?
8 A GRAND JUROR: Could she speak louder?
9 , we
10 just had a request that you speak louder.
11 A GRAND JUROR: 14 and what?
12 THE WITNESS: Our victims were 14 to 17, but
13 we have girls that are 18, we have girls that are
14 20, we have girls that are in their early 20s, and
15 your question was?
16 A GRAND JUROR: How did she originally get
17 them in in the first place?
18 THE WITNESS: We are focusing in on 2004,
19 2005, we have some evidence to show that this
20 activity was taking place even earlier than that,
21 certainly to include 2003 if you look at the
22 message pads, but focusing in on 2004, 2005, the
23 chain started with one of our minors and from that
24 minor who goes to the house, Mr. Epstein tells
25 her -- sees that she is maybe not comfortable with
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1 doing the massage the way he would like it and
2 tells her that she could bring other girls to do
3 the massages and she in fact if she brought another
4 girl she would be paid $200 for just bringing
5 another girl, so there starts the chain, and
6 Mr. Epstein would ask the girls or would ask
7 the girls for their phone numbers so each time, you
8 know, if one of the girls brought a girl and he
9 liked her he would ask for her phone number, ask
10 her to leave the phone number, or
11 would get the phone number and then that girl would
12 maybe bring, because if you brought somebody you
13 didn't have to do the massage, but you also got
14 paid for bringing a new person, so not only if you
15 did the massage would you get anywhere from 200 to
16 400, but if you brought a new female you would
17 receive 200 or $400.
18 A GRAND JUROR: Do you know how she solicited
19 that original minor?
20 THE WITNESS: I don't. well, I know that
21 minor was approached by two individuals and we have
22 interviewed one of those individuals who we can
23 connect back to Mr. Epstein four years, possibly,
24 prior to this, and stated that his job was actually
25 to drive some of the girls to the residence and
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1 that's pretty much where we start off.
2 Would the Grand Jury like
3 to maintain the records
4 that we received in response to the subpoenas?
5 A GRAND JUROR: Maintain versus what?
6 A GRAND JUROR: What is our choice?
7 I don't know that there is. I
8 guess I could maintain them, but I don't believe we
9 have secure storage in here.
10 would you like 5, to
11 maintain custody?
12 A GRAND JUROR: Yes.
13 : You should have something to
14 swear her in as a custodian.
15 (The witness was sworn in as the custodian of
16 records.)
17 : Thank you, ladies and
18 gentlemen, I am the last person for today, so you
19 guys are free to go and we will see you probably in
20 a couple of weeks, we will be seeing a lot of you.
21 (The witness was excused from the Grand Jury
22 room.)
23 (The testimony of the witness concluded
24 before the Grand Jury.)
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR
Federal Grand Jury, 07-103
West Palm Beach, Florida
February 27, 2007
APPEARANCES:
ESQUIRE
Assistant United States Attorney
Foreperson
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(The witness entered the grand jury room.)
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3 having been duly sworn by the grand jury foreperson,
4 was examined and testified on her oath as follows:
5 EXAMINATION
6 BY
7 Q Good morning, . Could
8 you restate and spell your name for the record.
9 A It's
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11 Q Can you remind the grand jury who you are
12 employed by?
13 A The FBI.
14 Q I know that you testified here a few weeks ago.
15 Was there anything from that testimony that you wanted to
16 correct?
17 A I did. I was asked by one of you Mr. Epstein's
18 age, and I confused him with another individual in another
19 one of my cases. His birthdate is January 20, 1953. We
20 are looking at the time period of 2004 and 2005. So
21 Mr. Epstein would have been about 51 or 52-years-old, and
22 I believe I told you he was 45. So at the time we're
23 looking during this investigation, he is 51 or 52.
24 Q , how did this case first come
25 to the attention of the police?
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1 A In March of 2005, our youngest
2 identified victim -- called the Palm Beach
3 police department and reported that she believed that her
4 had been molested by a male that resided in
5 the town of Palm Beach.
6 So today we are going to talk about
7 A Yes.
8 Q And we are using her initial to protect her
9 identity, correct?
10 A Yes.
11 Q Can you tell the grand jury date of
12 birth?
13 A birthday is
14 Q And you mentioned that the call came in ttom
15 in March of 2005, correct?
16 A Yes.
17 Q So how old was at that time?
18 A She was 14.
19 Q Where does live?
20 A lives in the Loxahatchee-Royal Palm Beach
21 area here in Palm Beach County.
22 At the time, in 2005, what school was she
23 attending?
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25 Q What year was she in school?
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1 A She was a ninth-grader there.
2 Q You mentioned that her called the
3 Palm Beach police department. What did the police
4 department do in response to that call?
5 A They wanted to interview I believe it was
6 the next day they went out to where =Gas attending
7 school at that time, which I think was They
8 interviewed at d wanted to get her side
9 of what took place.
10 Q Because we'll be referring to this throughout,
11 what was the name of the detective who conducted that
12 first interview?
13 A Detective
14 Q So in March of 2005, detective talked with
15 Was ever interviewed at any other times?
16 A Yes. She was interviewed -- they talked to her
17 again. She placed some controlled calls for them later
18 that month, we will talk about that later. As well as
19 she was interviewed about a year later in July of 2006.
20 Not interviewed, but she testified before the grand jury
21 for the State of Florida. So she was interviewed by
22 detective Pagan in March of 2005, and then about a year or
23 three or four months later, in July of 2006, she testified
24 before a grand jury with the State of Florida.
25 Q In preparation for your appearance today, did
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1 you have a chance to interview
2 A Yes, I did.
3 Q And when was that?
4 A Last night.
5 Q Back in March of 2005, you mentioned that
6 detective met with on or more than one
7 occasion?
8 A Yes.
9 Q If you could give us sort of an overview of what
10 reported during these interviews, and then if there
11 are specific discrepancies or differences, we will return
12 to those later.
13 A All right. On February 5, 2005, it was a
14 Saturday, and was at house, She
15 was there with her boyfriend, And because these
16 are minors, we'll refer to them without using their last
17 names, so I'll use those initials.
18 They were at residence, and is
19 boyfriend, which is also cousin. So they
20 were all at house, and was on the phone with
21 an individual that prefers to as the assistant.
22 described the assistant as a tall blonde.
23 So throughout I'll refer to her as the blonde lady, if
24 that's okay. was unable to recall her name. So
25 is on the phone with the assistant for Jeffrey
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1 Epstein.
2 and overhear on the phone
3 describing (describing to the lady on
4 the phone. So when gets off the phone, and
5 both want to know why was being described to
6 this lady on the phone. Zach becomes upset when
7 asks if she would like to go to Palm Beach and give a
8 man a massage that she knows. agrees, and this
9 upsets'''. and an argument ensues wherell'Illand
10 go into the bathroom and they argue outside the presence
11 of
12 Q Let me stop you there. Was supposed to be
13 paid for giving this massage?
14 A Yes. told that she would be paid
15 $200 or $300, I believe.
16 0 You mentioned that is boyfriend, and
17 Zach is also cousin, correct?
18 A Yes.
19 Q What was idea about why they were
20 arguing?
21 A She has told us that she believed that must
22 have known what was doing for this man and the work
23 that did for Mr. Epstein, and that is why was
24 so upset.
25 Q So knew that this wasn't just a regular
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1 massage that was going to take place?
2 A Yes.
3 Q So and have this argument. What does
4 decide to do?
5 A decides to go.
6 Q Because she wanted to make the $200 or $300?
7 A Yes.
8 Q So tell us then what happened after that
9 meeting?
10 A The next day, February 6 -- they discussed that
11 evening about going the next day. We do have on
12 phone records two calls that were placed. One was placed
13 to Kellin's cell phone, and the other was placed to
14 Jeffrey Epstein's residence the night of February 5.
15 The next day is contacted a couple of times
16 before arrives. Each time prior to being
17 contacted by a call is placed by to
18 Kellin's cell phone. Kellin, I should tell you, is
19 Jeffrey's assistant.
20 So on Sunday a call was placed to Kellin,
21 and then shortly after that a call was made to That
22 same series occurs again, but this timeillilliplaces a
23 call to Mr. Epstein's residence, and then is called
24 again.
25 Eventually, comes to residence with
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another girl in the car, So the two of them
2 arrive at residence, and they continue over to
3 Mr. Epstein's house.
4 Q is driving with and . Do you
know how they were sitting?
A You know, I'm not sure how they were sitting,
7 but I know that it was a pickup truck that drove,
8 and was the driver. I'm not sure exactly the
9 placement of the other two girls, but they were in the
10 truck.
11 Q And ■ was able to describe how they travelled
12 to the island of Palm Beach?
13 A Yes. She gave directions -- you know, the best
14 that she could on how she was able to come to
15 Mr. Epstein's residence.
16 Once they arrived at the residence, what
17 happened?
18 A I should have mentioned that either the night
19 before or the day of, there were some things that
20 tells One, she tells that she is to tell, if
21 asked, that she is 18-years-of-age, that she attends high
22 school, that she's in the 12th grade, and I believe it was
23 Wellington High School that she was to say that she went
24 to.
25 Talking to last night, told us that
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1 once she arrived at the residence tells her that she
2 may possibly be asked to take her clothes off. She also
3 tells her that she can stay in her bra, but she may be
4 asked to take her clothes off. And told us last
5 night that that's when she knew for the first time that
6 she might have to possibly remove her clothes.
7 At this point they proceed to enter the
8 residence. =describes him as a security person. He
9 approached and asked what they were doing there, and
10 said they were there to see Mr. Epstein, or see Jeffrey.
11 He allowed them entry into the kitchen area by the pool,
12 and describes that area. So now and
13 are all sitting in the kitchen. A short time goes
14 by and Mr. Epstein, as well as the assistant, enter the
15 kitchen.
16 Q And I know that you mentioned that did not
17 know the name of the lady who was there in the kitchen,
18 correct?
19 A Right.
20 Q She just described her as a blonde, tall lady?
21 A Yes.
22 Q Was also interviewed about what happened
23 that day?
24 A She was interviewed by the Palm Beach police
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1 Q Did identify the person who was on the
2 phone with her as
3 A Yes, she did.
4 Q So even though ■ doesn't know her name,
5 knew Hame?
6 A Yes.
7 Q So you mentioned that the three girls are in the
8 kitchen, along with Jeffrey and the person ■calls the
9 blonde lady?
10 A Yes.
11 Q What happened then?
12 A follows the blonde lady upstairs to
13 Mr. Epstein's bedroom. The blonde lady proceeds to take
14 out a massage table and set it up, prepare it. She also
15 takes out some lotions to be used during the massage.
16 told me last night that the blonde lady asked her to
17 remove her clothing, and then left the room and said that
18 Mr. Epstein would be in shortly.
19 Q what happened after she left the room?
20 A Shortly after that, Mr. Epstein does come into
21 the room and shakes s hand. told us last night
22 that Mr. Epstein told her to remove her clothing. He
23 leaves the room and comes back in just a towel, and he
24 tells her again to -- she is at that point -- when he
25 walked in the first time she had on her bra and her pants.
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1 When he comes back in, he tells her that she needs to take
2 her pants off. So she took her pants off. So now she's
3 in her bra and underwear.
4 Q At some point did Sage tell any of the people
who interviewed her what was running through her mind?
6 A She stated at one point that she was upstairs
7 with him, with the man, and that Maas downstairs. I
8 guess she says, "What coul do? She's downstairs,
9 I'm upstairs." So she did what she was asked to do.
10 Q So now you mention that Mr. Epstein is here
11 wearing just a towel, and has removed both her shirt
12 and her pants, is that correct?
13 A Yes.
14 Q Tell us what happens then?
15 A Mr. Epstein gets on the massage table lying on
16 his stomach and instructs how to do the massage. He
17 tells her to put some lotion on her hand and instructs her
18 on how to actually perform the massage. At one point
19 during the massage he tells ■ that she would be more
20 comfortable to get on top of him, so gets on top of
21 him and straddles Mr. Epstein's back.
22 The way describes it is Mr. Epstein is
23 laying on the table, he has a towel covering his bottom,
24 and she is straddling him with her bottom touching the
25 towel and some skin touching his lower back. She was kind
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1 of sitting -- it sounds like sitting on his rear end, but
2 with part of her skin touching him -- the front of him,
3 but he had a towel across his bottom.
4 What happens as she is providing the massage to
5 his back?
6 A The massage goes on. She said the entire
7 massage lasted anywhere from 30 to 45 minutes. At one
8 point Mr. Epstein excuses himself for a few minutes, one
9 or two minutes briefly. states that she can hear
10 Mr. Epstein moaning or groaning, and states that she
11 believes he was, in her words, 'wacking off' or
12 masturbating. She didn't say masturbating, she said
13 'wacking off.' I am going to use that she believes he was
14 masturbating.
15 Then he returns. At this point he gets back on
16 the table lying on his back and asks her to start
17 massaging his chest. So she begins to massage his chest.
18 Q Does he keep the towel on?
19 A No, at this point the towel is removed. When he
20 comes back and he gets back on the table, the towel is
21 removed and she is massaging his chest.
22 Q What does he do as she is massaging his chest?
23 A He moves his hand up and down his penis. So he
24 continued to masturbate on the table. He asked at
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extra $100. He tells her that it would not involve doing
a massage. agrees. He asked her if he could use a
vibrator on her, and she does agree. describes it as
a purple vibrator that was used
said this goes on for about ten minutes.
At some point during that massage the vibrator
is not used anymore and takes place.
describes him
Q What did she say happened when Mr. Epstein
10 digitally penetrated her?
11 A The vibrator is used. At some point he does
12 her. And these are her words. She
13 looks at him kind of funny, and he sarcastically -- which
14 is her word -- he sarcastically says, "What's the matter?"
15 And she at that point just kind of looks away, and he
16 continues on with the In the last
17 three to four minutes of that, he begins to masturbate
18 again.
19 At the conclusion of the sexual activity,
20 Mr. Epstein wipes his penis off with a towel. was
21 asked if he ejaculated. She did not see him ejaculate,
22 but saw him wipe his penis off with a towel.
23 Q Was able to