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1 2 3 4 DIGITALLY RECORDED 5 SWORN STATEMENT 6 OF 7 8 9 OIG CASE #: 10 2019-010614 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 19 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL 20 OCTOBER 27, 2021 21 22 23 24 25 26 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: EFTA00058871 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 APPEARANCES: 2 3 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL 4 BY: 5 BY: 6 7 8 WITNESS: 9 10 11 12 OTHER APPEARANCES: 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 EFTA00058872 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 3 1 : The recorder is on. My 2 name is , and I am a Senior 3 Special Agent with the U.S. Department of 4 Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New 5 York Field Office, and these are my 6 credentials. 7 : Okay. Mm-hmm. 8 : This interview with 9 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee - is it 10 11 -: 12 : Is being conducted as 13 part of an official U.S. Department of Justice, 14 Office of the Inspector General investigation. 15 Today's date is October 27th, 2021, and the 16 time is 1:53 p.m. This interview is being 17 conducted - what is the -? Is it 1515? 18 : 515. 19 : 515? 20 : Yes. 21 UNKNOWN MALE: Madison Avenue. 31st 22 floor. 23 : Okay. 515 Madison 24 Avenue, 31st floor. New York, New York. Also 25 present is DOJ/OIG Special Agent EFTA00058873 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 As well as -- 2 UNKNOWN MALE: Edward Hayes. 3 4 attorney. I'm sorry. What is it? 5 MR. HAYES: Edward Hayes. H-A-Y-E-S. 6 First name E-D-W-A-R-D. 7 : Thank you, sir. Who is 8 representing . This interview will be recorded by me, 10 . could everyone please identify 11 themselves for the record, and spell your last 12 name? To start, again, I am DOJ/OIG Senior 13 Special Agent, 14 15 : This is DOJ Special Agent 16 . And these are my 17 credentials. 18 : Okay. And I am -- 19 MR. HAYES: I can't -- 20 21 MR. HAYES: -- I can't show you any 22 credentials. 23 . First name -- 24 : Okay. 25 . And EFTA00058874 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 last name 2 apostrophe, 3 : Thank you, sir. Do you 4 happen to one -- 5 MR. HAYES: I still don't know how he 6 pronounces his name. Is it -? Yeah. And I'm 7 so arrogant that I don't carry identification. 8 You know what I mean? 9 : No. That's fine. 10 MR. HAYES: Yeah. But you are sitting 11 down here, you are willing to pay the fee. 12 : Yeah. 13 MR. HAYES: You know who I am. 14 : So, I am looking at Mr. 15 law enforcement officer credentials. 16 And it has a picture. And a signature of the 17 gentleman sitting in front of me. Thank you, 18 sir. And his attorney, do you mind - and 19 again, it's Edward -- 20 MR. HAYES: Edward 21 : -- Hayes. 22 MR. HAYES: -- Hayes. And I'm sorry, I 23 don't have -. I really -- 24 : No. That's quite all 25 right. EFTA00058875 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. HAYES: -- as I say -- 2 : But you are 3 MR. HAYES: -- Edward Hayes. I'm his 4 lawyer. 5 : -- perfect, and we're in 6 your office. 7 MR. HAYES: Right. 8 : This is an official 9 DOJ/OIG investigation into the death of inmate 10 Jeffrey Epstein and the circumstances 11 surrounding it, and you are being asked to 12 voluntarily provide answers to our questions. 13 Will you agree to a voluntary interview with 14 the DOJ/OIG? 15 : Yes, I will. 16 : Thank you, sir. This is 17 the form that we have to do all interviews, 18 interviewees. 19 MR. HAYES: Is that form S? 20 : This is the OIG form III- 21 226/2. 22 MR. HAYES: Yeah. 23 : Okay. 24 : But it says is - I'm 25 going to read it for you - United States EFTA00058876 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 7 1 Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector 2 General, Warnings and Assurances to Employee 3 Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary 4 Basis. It says, "You are being asked to 5 provide information as part of an investigation 6 being conducted by the Office of the Inspector 7 General. This investigation is being conducted 8 pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, 9 as amended. This investigation pertains to job 10 performance failure, and security failure." 11 And this is what we are writing for everyone 12 that we speak to, just because we're looking at 13 it as a -- 14 : Right. 15 : -- whole of what 16 happened. "This is a voluntary interview. 17 Accordingly, you do not have to answer 18 questions. No disciplinary action will be 19 taken against you if you chose not to answer 20 questions. Any statements you furnish may be 21 used as evidence in any future criminal 22 proceedings, or agency disciplinary 23 proceedings, or both." And there is a waiver 24 section. It says, "I understand the Warnings 25 and Assurances stated above, and I am willing EFTA00058877 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 8 1 to make a statement and answer questions. No 2 promises or threats have been made to me, and 3 no pressure or coercion of any kind has been 4 used against me." If you would like to take a 5 look at it, you may. If you agree to it, if 6 you want your attorney to look at it, he may, 7 as well. 8 : Okay. 9 : You can sign where it 10 says "Employee Signature." And then, also 11 write your name. I did read it verbatim. 12 MR. HAYES: I'm sure you did. Okay. 13 There is no place that said attorneys -- 14 : No, no, no. 15 MR. HAYES: -- signatures. 16 : It's not for you to sign. 17 It's for him, myself, and the witness. It's 18 just if you wanted to review it, or ask any -- 19 MR. HAYES: No, that's all right. 20 : -- questions about it. 21 MR. HAYES: That's all right. I do have a 22 question. 23 : Where do you want me to 24 sign? 25 MR. HAYES: In other words, if you say to EFTA00058878 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 him -- 2 : Oh, so, where it says -- 3 : Right side. 4 : -- "Employee Signature." 5 MR. HAYES: Do you have sex with ducks? 6 And so, I'm not going to answer that question. 7 That's the - he can't get in trouble for that? 8 : I won't be asking that 9 question. 10 MR. HAYES: I mean, (Indiscernible 11 *00:04:18). 12 : (Indiscernible *00:04:20). 13 MR. HAYES: (Indiscernible *00:04:22). 14 : (Indiscernible *00:04:21). 15 Okay. 16 : Under the interview that 17 we are doing right now, for voluntary 18 interviews, he doesn't have to answer our 19 questions. 20 : Okay. Great. 21 : All right. So, thank you 22 for signing that, sir. Did you have any 23 questions on the form? 24 : No, I don't. 25 : All right. So, I'm EFTA00058879 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 10 1 signing as the signature of the Office of the 2 Inspector General, Special Agent. I'm printing 3 my name. 4 MR. HAYES: Oh, one thing. So, 5 ordinarily, I would take notes. I've been at 6 Jim Rad (Phonetic Sp. *00:04:49) for 50 years, 7 as you saw, to which my body is falling apart. 9 I can't really 10 basically write. So, that's why -- 11 : Sure. 12 MR. HAYES: -- I'm not taking notes. But 13 I have a pretty good memory, so, yeah. 14 : All right. Great. 15 , can you just sign as the witness? 16 : Oh. 17 : Put your name and take 18 care of the rest of the form. 19 : This is Special Agent 20 I'm signing as the witness, and dating 21 it. 22 : All right. Before 23 starting the interview, I would like to place 24 you under oath. can you please 25 raise your right hand? EFTA00058880 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 11 1 : Mm-hmm. 2 : Do you swear to tell the 3 truth and nothing but the truth during this 4 interview? 5 : I do. 6 : Thank you, sir. What is 7 your current home address? • • 9 10 : And what is your date of 11 birth? 12 -: 13 : And what -- 14 MR. HAYES: Jesus Christ. 15 : -- what is the 16 MR. HAYES: I'm old. 17 : -- what are the last four 18 of your social security number? 19 -• 20 : Is it correct that you 21 were interviewed regarding the Epstein matter 22 on August 19th, 2019? 23 : Yeah. 24 : Or in August of 2019. 25 : I know it was some time in EFTA00058881 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 12 1 August. 2 Correct. Okay. How long 3 have you worked for the BOP? 4 : 30 years. And August, 5 September, October, November. 30 years and 6 three months. 7 : All right. And what is 8 your current position with the BOP? 9 : I'm at FCI Fort 10 Dix. 11 : Okay. And what are your 12 -. You are , you said? 13 : Yes. 14 : Were you previously a 15 regional director? : I was the 17 18 : And how long have you 19 been at FCI Fort Dix? 20 : About two or three weeks. 21 Two weeks. 22 : Oh, so -- 23 : Yeah. 24 : -- it's a brand -- 25 : Yeah. EFTA00058882 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 : -- new position? 2 ■ : It just got there. Yeah. 3 : Okay. How long were you 4 the 5 I got it in February. 6 : Okay. 7 : Of 2021. : Okay. And as the 9 , what were your duties and 10 responsibilities? 11 : Monitoring he activities of 12 the 20 institutions in the region, and, you 13 know, managing the administratives within the 14 , and, you know, showing that 15 institutions were running in an orderly 16 fashion. 17 : Now, did you supervise 18 the various wardens at those institutions? 19 : Yes. I was over there. I 20 was the rating official on some of the 21 evaluations. 22 : And were you a warden 23 prior to that position? 24 : Yes, I was. 25 : Where were you a warden? EFTA00058883 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 : In New York. MCC. The 2 Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York. 3 : And how long were you a 4 warden there? : I came from 7 I forget what it was. : Okay. 9 10 : Yeah. 11 : -- when you became the 12 regional director? 13 : No. The position 14 : Yeah. 15 : -- prior to that, I was 16 given -- 17 : Okay. : -- was 19 . And then, I went into the 20 21 : Okay. Sounds good. Ana 22 August of 2019, though, were yo at 23 the MCC New York? 24 : Yes, I was. 25 : Thank you, sir. And are EFTA00058884 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 15 1 you familiar with inmate Jeffrey Epstein, who 2 was housed within the MCC in July and August of 3 2019? 4 : Yes. 5 : Yes. Okay. Great. What 6 I have here is an after-action report that was 7 written by the BOP. 8 : Mm-hmm. 9 : Have you seen this? 10 : I have not seen that. 11 : All right. So, this is 12 not something that you are actually familiar 13 with? 14 : No, I am not. 15 : No one discussed any 16 findings or anything like that with you? 17 : No one. 18 : All right. I'm going to 19 set this aside just in case we need to, you 20 know, reference it. So, no role in the after- 21 action report? 22 : Nothing. I wasn't 23 interviewed. I wasn't spoken to. 24 : All right. Do you know 25 of anybody interviewed, or I mean, talked to EFTA00058885 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 16 1 and at least about, like, providing the 2 information that they utilized to this report? 3 : No. 4 : No. Okay. Fair enough. 5 After the incident occurred, what was your role 6 with determining what happened and what didn't 7 happen after Epstein was found on August 10th, 8 2019? 9 : Well, I responded to the 10 institution. At the time, when I got there, he 11 was at the hospital. So, I didn't go up to the 12 unit, as far as - because it was a crime scene, 13 and I've always been trained, if it was a crime 14 scene, if you weren't particularly there, the 15 least amount of people that, you know, that go 16 through that crime scene, just don't go into 17 it. So, I didn't go into it, but you know, 18 basically gathering information on what 19 happened, notifying the region, notifying the 20 FBI. The IG. 21 MR. HAYES: (Indiscernible *00:09:28). 22 He's already got that phone call. 23 : Oh. 24 MR. HAYES: Oh, yeah, you know what I 25 mean? Jeffrey Epstein -- EFTA00058886 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 17 1 : Mm-hmm. 2 MR. HAYES: -- like, fuck it, I'm going to 3 sell. Oh, okay. 4 : Yeah. 5 MR. HAYES: That's why we do it for the 6 next six months. 7 : So, there was a lot of 8 notification on what happened. Trying to find 9 out the status of inmate Epstein. And things 10 more along those lines. 11 : Now, did you help with 12 gathering information, up until a certain 13 point, and then, were you told not to anymore, 14 or did you continue to gather -? 15 : No, like, my boss was 16 calling me They needed 17 information. You know, starting a timeline on what happened. So, I had 19 there, and, you know, we would just 20 gather any information, and just, you know, 21 making sure that, you know, things that were 22 requested were being provided to them, any 23 information. 24 : And who was the regional 25 director at the time? EFTA00058887 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 18 1 : It was , at the 2 time. 3 : Okay. And then, who was 4 your executive assistant? 5 -: 6 : Okay. 7 -• 8 -: 9 : Now, as part of our 10 investigation, we have to review everyone's 11 emails, with regard to the incident. 12 : Right. 13 : So, you mentioned that 14 you provided with timelines -- 15 : Yeah. 16 : -- and things like that. 17 So, these are just some timelines from - again, 18 Mr. Epstein, I believe, was found around 6:33 19 a.m. 20 : Mm-hmm. 21 : In the Special Housing 22 Unit. This is a timeline starting with, it 23 looks like, August 10th, 2019, at 11:04 a.m. 24 So, a few hours after the fact. It just says, 25 it says, "See below. Just to ensure you know EFTA00058888 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 19 1 what is being relayed to DOJ." Now, is this -. 2 And then, what I have behind it is, these are 3 different timelines that are all updated 4 throughout the day. 5 : Mm-hmm. 6 : Here is one that was at 7 2:21 p.m. Same date. And then, the next one 8 was 3:42 p.m. And the next one was August 9 12th. And then, the final one that we have is 10 the August 13th. So, these, do these look like 11 the timelines that you would have been 12 gathering information and providing to Mr. 13 14 : Okay. It looks like it. 15 : Now, where were you 16 actually obtaining this information from? You 17 said was obtaining it for you? 18 : He was the , we recall, 19 and in that, I'm not too familiar on the 20 specifics on how we get it, because there was 21 so much going on. 22 : Mm-hmm. 23 : That, you know, I don't 24 recall if it was from the logbooks, or, you 25 know, calling around and trying to find out. EFTA00058889 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 So, I don't really recall the specifics. 2 : All right. Well, rather 3 than get into each one of these, because it 4 will take too long, I'll just do the very first 5 one. It says, it just says, "7/23/2019, at 6 1:27 a.m., Epstein found in fetal position in 7 cell, breathing, but would not acknowledge 8 staff initially." So, that is referring to the 9 first initial attempt that Epstein may have had 10 on his life? 11 : Let me see which one. Are 12 we talking the day of, or -? 13 : No. This is 14 : This is July. 15 : -- yeah, July, 16 (Indiscernible *00:12:40) 27. 17 : Oh, no. This is July. 18 : Yeah. 19 : This is the -- 20 : So, this is the -- 21 : -- no, the -- 22 : -- timeline. 23 : -- this would -. We would 24 have probably got this from the SIS 25 investigation. EFTA00058890 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 : Okay. 2 From that. I thought you 3 were referring to the actual suicide. This is 4 5 : No. What I meant was -- 6 : -- this is -. 7 : -- just the information 8 that was all put in there, as far as -- 9 MR. HAYES: This was his first attempt. 10 : -- well, it's everything. 11 So, so, it starts July 23rd. The next one is 12 July 29th. And it goes 8/9/2019. And then, 13 and then, until -. So, it's only - there is 14 only a few. That's why I was going to read it, 15 just because there is only, like, three 16 paragraphs, four or five, four or five 17 paragraphs. 18 : So, this looks to me like we 19 sent the information to 20 21 : Mm-hmm. 22 : -- and what he did was, 23 compile this information to send to DOJ. 24 : Okay. Oh, you're right. 25 : Yeah. EFTA00058891 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 • -- 2 : This is not -- 3 : -- sent this to you. So, 4 he is saying -- 5 : -- yeah, this thing. 6 : -- "see below -- 7 : Right. 8 : -- just ensure you know." 9 : so, this is compiled off of 10 several different documents -- 11 : Okay. 12 : -- which he condensed. 13 : So -- 14 : From -. 15 : -- he sent it to you. 16 I'm sorry. I read that incorrectly. So, 17 looking at this, then, let's just review it and 18 make each point, just make sure that it's what 19 you understand. It says, "On July 23rd, 2019, 20 Epstein was found in a fetal position in cell, 21 breathing, but would not acknowledge staff 22 initially." 23 : Right. 24 • "After removed, he 25 interacted with staff and speaking to staff. EFTA00058892 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 23 1 Neck was red. Placed on suicide watch, and 2 medical evaluation. Epstein receive daily 3 psychological evaluations while on suicide 4 watch." Was that your recollection, too? 5 : Yeah. That is what is in 6 the report. But I want to -- 7 : Sure. 8 : -- clarify what we went 9 You know, when I, when you first read it to me 10 11 : Mm-hmm. 12 : I thought you meant the 13 day of. 14 : Yup, yup. 15 : So -- 16 : Well, we have that, too. 17 That's -- 18 : Right. 19 : -- that one is here. And 20 this one is from you, and this is what I 21 thought it was starting with, as well. 22 : Right. 23 : Because it said timeline 24 on it. From you to This initial 25 one actually talks about Friday, August 9th, EFTA00058893 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 24 1 2019. It starts with, "8:00 a.m., inmate Reyes 2 Efrain, reg number 85993-054, departs for 3 court. WAB-USMS-SDNY. Reyes is Epstein's 4 celimate." 5 : Right. 6 : So, just starting with 7 that, then, I do have, we're going to get into 8 that later, but what does that tell you, if it 9 says inmate Reyes is departing for court, but 10 it also says WAB-USMS-SDNY? 11 : So, that would mean With All 12 Belongings. 13 : So, that means he's not 14 returning. Correct? 15 : Yes. 16 : All right. So, at 8:00 17 a.m., Efrain Reyes is actually leaving, not 18 coming back to the MCC. 19 : Mm-hmm. 20 : All right. Great. And 21 then, it just goes on from there, what happens 22 throughout that day. And we're going to get 23 into these things more in detail, so I don't 24 want to go through each thing, because we're 25 going to have to get into it later. But so, EFTA00058894 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 25 1 this information is stuff that you guys were 2 compiling, and you were providing to Mr. 3 4 : That would probably be 5 information that we sent up to him. 6 : Okay. Great. And then, 7 this is all the updates that occurred 8 afterwards. Let's see. Why is that 9 highlighted? So, here is something. Why, do 10 you know why in this one, it would be updated? 11 This one is 7:00 p.m., 7:00 p.m., and then, 12 "7:32 a.m., PIO notified of incident by the 13 warden." Is that just, put that in the wrong 14 place or something, and it says, "Inmate Reyes 15 released from court." 16 : (Indiscernible *00:16:27). 17 : (Indiscernible *00:16:30) 18 just in the wrong spot. It was made for August 19 10th. 20 : Mm-hmm. (Indiscernible 21 *00:16:34). 22 : Yeah. Okay. So, the 23 next one, that is the big discrepancy here. It 24 just shows the next update, you have that under 25 August - or Saturday - August 10th. EFTA00058895 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 : This can't be -. This 2 doesn't make -. I don't know. Because it 3 says, "PIO notified of incident by 4 I was off that day, on Friday. I wasn't at 5 work. 6 : Yeah. So, that's why I 7 think that they -. So, the next one I'm 8 looking at shows that that point is now under 9 Saturday, August 10th. 10 : Yeah. I don't know why it 11 would be -- 12 : So -- 13 : -- under Friday, because I 14 wasn't -- 15 : -- yeah. Okay. 16 I wasn't working. 17 : So, you were actually off 18 19 : I was off -- 20 : -- off on August 9th? 21 : -- on Friday. Yes. 22 : All right. You and 23 everyone else. 24 : Huh? 25 : Everybody was off that EFTA00058896 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 27 1 day. 2 : Yeah. I didn't come back to 3 work until, when I got called, there was a 4 suicide at the (Indiscernible *00:17:28). 5 : Okay. So, all of this. 6 So, if I can have that back, if you don't mind. 7 So, all of this. All right. Is it safe to 8 assume that, as this went on, and specifically, 9 the last one that we have is Tuesday, August 10 13th, 2019. The Tuesday 13th, August 13th, 11 would be the most accurate timeline? 12 : It should be, but I don't 13 want to attest to it. I mean -- 14 : Yeah, yeah. 15 yeah. 16 : I'm just saying, based - 17 is there any reason for you to believe that the 18 timelines that were provided, or in any way, it 19 was determined that, you know, we should add a 20 point that actually didn't occur? Or is it 21 safe to assume that, the last one that was sent 22 would be the most accurate one? 23 : That's how it typically 24 works. At, you know, but I can't, I can't 25 attest to it -- EFTA00058897 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 : And yeah. 2 -- of whether it was 3 accurate, but typically, the last one that you 4 send usually, you know, if you have to make 5 corrections, you make the corrections. Add 6 information, if you have to. 7 : Sure. Okay. Great. 8 When I show you things, it's not attesting to 9 it, but -- 10 : Mm-hmm. 11 : I'm going to ask you 12 just to initial and date, and that's just to 13 say, specifically, that this is the document we 14 looked at when we spoke. It is absolutely not 15 attesting to it. 16 : Mm-hmm. 17 : It's not saying that this 18 stuff is accurate. 19 : And so, I write the date -- 20 : If you could -- 21 and put reviewed on it, 22 or -? 23 : nope. Just your 24 initial and date. I'm just going to do this 25 last one, just the top of it. I'm not going to EFTA00058898 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 29 1 have you do every single one. And I'm going to 2 put this in a pile, back in a paper clip, and 3 I'm going to hand it to my friend over here. 4 : What's the date? The 18th? 5 : 27th. 6 : 27th. 7 : 10/27/21. 8 : Thank you, sir, for 9 initialing and dating that. All right. I'm 10 going to just actually, because it's the 11 timeline, I'm going to keep it in front of me 12 because we might have to reference it. 13 MR. HAYES: I can tell -- 14 : All right. 15 MR. HAYES: -- this is going to be a long- 16 ass interview. 17 : It's going to be pretty 18 long. That's where I was trying to -- 19 MR. HAYES: Yeah. Just -. 20 : -- you know? All right. 21 So, July 23rd incident. That was, what do you 22 recall what happened on July 23rd with inmate 23 Tartaglione and Mr. Epstein? Do you recall? 24 : I recall the investigation 25 that couldn't determine if they had an EFTA00058899 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 30 1 altercation, or I believe if it was an attempt 2 at suicide. 3 : All right. So -- 4 : Yeah. 5 : -- so, something happened 6 on the July 23rd -- 7 : Something happened -- 8 where Mr. 9 in his cell. 10 : -- Epstein was found 11 with, like, a - was it a noose around his neck? 12 : It wasn't determined. It 13 was, you know, that he was laying in his cell, 14 but I don't recall the specifics of the report. 15 But I know it went back and forth where there 16 was a suicide attempt, or an issue with inmate 17 18 : Tartaglione. 19 : -- with - yeah - 20 Tartaglione. Yeah. 21 : All right. So, these are 22 emails that we reviewed with regard -- 23 : Mm-hmm. 24 : -- to that incident. 25 : Mm-hmm. EFTA00058900 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 31 1 : So, this one is specifically from, it says 3 . Was that -- 4 : Yeah. 5 : -- your II? 6 : That is the II. 7 : Send it to you? 8 : Right. 9 : And this is a memo from, 10 it says is the 11 12 : Yeah. 13 14 : Right. This is where I 15 wanted to ask you if you knew 16 : Mm-hmm. 17 : -- about this. It 18 specifically says, so, it was originally, 19 guess, sent from to 20 21 : Mm-hmm. 22 : -- from to 23 you. 24 : Mm-hmm. 25 : And her note to you says, EFTA00058901 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 "From the memo attached, the information I 2 received is not what I was told happened." 3 : Right. 4 So, what I wanted to know 5 is, and I guess, would you like me just to 6 refresh your memory, to really quickly read 7 what she said happened, so we can figure out 8 what it is that didn't happen? 9 : Okay. Yeah. 10 All right. So, this is 11 subject, "Possible suicide attempt." Again, 12 July 23rd, 2019. It says, "On July -". Let me 13 just sit back so you can just kind of read 14 along with me. Would you mind if I sit next to 15 you? 16 : No. No problem. 17 I'm vaccinated, just so 18 you know. It says, "On July 23rd, 2019, at 19 approximately 1:27 a.m., a call for assistance 20 on the Special Housing Unit was announced by 21 the control center. Upon my arrival, I was 22 informed that an inmate had attempted suicide 23 and proceeded to cell Z05-124LAD. I observed 24 inmate Epstein, Jeffrey, number 76318-054, 25 lying in the fetal position on the floor of his EFTA00058902 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 33 1 cell, wearing a t-shirt and boxers. 2 He was breathing heavily, and was snoring. 3 I called out to inmate Epstein and observed him 4 flicker his eyes, and continued snoring. His 5 neck was red with no abrasions. I observed no 6 further injuries to his person. An attempt was 7 made to get the inmates, to get the inmate to 8 stand on his own, with negative results. The 9 inmate was placed in hand restraints, and staff 10 was directed to retrieve the stretcher. 11 As inmate Epstein was being placed on the 12 stretcher by responding staff, he would open 13 his eyes and observe staff. When staff made 14 eye contact with him, he would hurriedly shut 15 his eyes. The inmate was taken to HA-Unit." 16 Was it that? The health care? 17 : Health. Health Services. 18 : "Dressed in a suicide 19 smock, and placed on suicide watch. While 20 awaiting the arrival of an inmate companion, 21 inmate Epstein sat on the of the bed and 22 began moving forward, as if was attempting to 23 fall over, head first. When I looked away, he 24 straightened up. As I turned to look at him 25 again, he attempted the same act. I laid him EFTA00058903 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 34 1 down on the bed, and directed him to cease his 2 action or he would be placed in restraints for 3 his safety. 4 At that moment, he stated, `Okay. I won't 5 do it again.' And gave the thumbs up. Because 6 of his unpredictable behavior, the decision was 7 made to have the staff member observe inmate 8 Epstein. I had left HA-Unit in order to make 9 staff notifications. Moments later, I spoke 10 with Officer Clark, who stated that Inmate 11 Epstein was alert and had indicated that his 12 cellmate, Tartaglione, Nicholas, number 78514- 13 054, had attempted to kill him, and had been 14 harassing him. 15 He stated that the inmate had indicated 16 that he had informed his attorney of this 17 matter. I photographed and spoke with inmate 18 Tartaglione, Nicholas, who stated that he was 19 asleep with his headphones on when he felt 20 something hit his legs, and said, `Jeff. What 21 are you doing?' He didn't answer. So, he got 22 up, turned on the light," or - so, yeah - "He 23 got up, turned on the light, and saw him with a 24 string around his neck. 25 He stated that he then called the guards, EFTA00058904 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 35 1 and they ran down. Upon further questioning, 2 inmate Tartaglione stated that he sleeps on the 3 bottom bunk, but gave it to inmate Epstein 4 because he's old. He stated that he sleeps on 5 the floor, on a mattress. He stated that, when 6 he got up, he couldn't remember if he sat up or 7 stood up to check on Epstein. He stated that 8 Epstein was sitting on the floor, leaning to 9 the side, with his eyes opened, but wasn't 10 responding. 11 He stated that the last time he saw him, 12 he was snoring really loud. Inmate Epstein 13 stated that he comes in from a legal visit at 14 approximately 8:00 p.m., and staff handed him a 15 copy of the Daily News. Nick was on the floor 16 reading the Daily News. He stated that he had 17 given it to him. He stated that Tartaglione 18 mentioned that he had been in court all day, in 19 Westchester (Phonetic Sp. *00:25:00), and was 20 carrying on. 21 At that point, inmate Tartaglione paused, 22 as if he was making the story up, as he went 23 along, and stated that Tartaglione stated, 24 `These fucking N-I-G-G-E-R-S. This place is 25 inhumane. I wish I could report it. EFTA00058905 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 Officer, that N-I-G-G-E-R, hobbit 2 motherfucker.' He then turned to a page in the 3 Daily News that had his picture on it, and 4 stated that Epstein was worth 77 million 5 dollars. 6 Epstein then stated that he took his 7 picture, balled it up, and threw it in the 8 garbage. I asked inmate Epstein what happened 9 prior to staff's arrival. He stated that at 10 approximately 1:00 a.m., he had gotten up to 11 get a drink of water, as he gets up every 30 12 minutes. He remembered walking back to his 13 bunk, and waking up with staff there, in his 14 cell. I asked if he had waken up and seen 15 staff, why didn't he respond when we were 16 calling out to him. 17 He stated that he only remembered hearing 18 himself making a noise like snoring. When 19 asked about the allegations against his 20 cellmate, he stated that he was told if he hurt 21 him, staff wouldn't care. Duty medical doctor 22 -" how do you pronounce that name? 23 : Beaudouin. 24 : B-E-A-U-D-O-U-I-N. "Was 25 notified and briefed. It was determined that EFTA00058906 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 37 1 no further medical attention was needed. A 2 medical assessment was not conducted at the 3 time of this incident, due to the fact there 4 was no med