EFTA00611949.pdf

Page 1 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT _.b IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA STATE OF FLORIDA STATE OF FLORIDA, VS. JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. TRANSCRIPT OF TAPED STATEMENT OF 4-24-07 Transcribed by: Vicki S. Woodham, Court Reporter Notary Public, State of Florida Consor & Associates COPY 7. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611949  Page 2 1 (Taped statement as follows:) 2 AGENT : This is Special Agent 3 with the FBI along with Special Agent and Assistant United States 5 Attorney here to conduct an 6 interview with Ms. . Also present is 7 her attorney, and 8 MR. : And we are here -- This is 9 and my investigator, Ms. is here. 10 And we're here pursuant to a subpoena that was 11 served on me for and that's why we're 12 here. So Ms. it's your show. 13 MS. : Okay, great. 14 AGENT : I also want to add that the 15 date is 4-24-07, and the time by my watch is 4:21 16 p.m. 17 BY AGENT 18 Q. , we just want to start off and I'll lead 19 off first. We just want to get some basic info about 20 you, simple stuff. I've got your date of birth as 21 IIIIIII/ is that correct? 22 A. Yes, sir. 23 Q. I just want to get like your basics like that 24 stuff first. Your current address? 25 A. 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611950  1 2 Q. You have a cell phone or -- 3 A. 4 Q. And home phone? 5 A. Only cell. 6 Q. Only cell, okay. Now have you had other cell 7 phone numbers in the past and do you know any of those? 8 A. that's the only one I can remember. 9 Q. Okay. But you had some others? 10 A. Uh-huh. 11 Q. Okay. 12 BY MS. 13 Q. Who's your service provider? 14 A. Metro. 15 Q. Metro. And for that other number as well? 16 A. Yes. 17 BY AGENT 18 Q. Where did you go to high school? 19 A. 20 Q. And what year did you graduate? 21 A. 22 Q. What year was that that you dropped out, do you 23 remember? 24 A. No. 25 Q. What year were you supposed to graduate, your 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611951  Page 4 1 class? 2 A. 3 Q• Okay. 4 A. 5 Q. When did you get that? 6 A. About three months ago. 7 Q. And are you going to college anywhere 8 currently? 9 A. Not right now. 10 Q. Plans? 11 A. I have plans. 12 BY MS. 13 Q. Where are you thinking about going? 14 A. I'm not positive what I want to do. There's a 15 lot of things on my mind, but right now 16 17 18 AGENT : He's a handful? 19 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 20 AGENT 21 THE WITNESS: Yeah. So in the future, I'm 22 definitely going to go to college. I'm going 23 definitely going to go to school. But I have, you 24 know, that's 25 hopefully going to -- some of you will notice me, J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611952  Page 5 hopefully, and that would be great, but I don't 2 know. 3 BY MS. 4 Q. Where else are you working? 5 A. I work fo 6 7 AGENT what was it? 8 THE WITNESS: 9 BY MS. 10 Q. And where are they located? 11 A. 12 13 O. 14 15 A. 16 BY AGENT 17 Q. Obviously, you know why we're here and what we 18 want to talk about. So let me just kind of lead into do 19 you know Jeffrey Epstein? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Yes, of course, you do. Now when did you meet 22 Jeff? Does he go by Jeff or Jeffrey or -- S i 23 A. Jeffrey. 24 Q. Okay. When did you meet him and who introduced 25 you to Jeffrey? L J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611953  Page 6 1 A. My girlfriend, introduced me to 2 Jeffrey. 3 Q. Do you know her last name? 4 A. No. She was a friend of one of my friends, so 5 I really didn't know her. 6 BY MS. 7 Q. When was that? 8 A. I really couldn't tell you. I don't even I 9 remember. It's been so long ago. 1 10 BY AGENT I 1 11 Q. So introduced you to him. Was it at a 12 party setting or how did you guys meet? 13 A. No. She came to me and she said hey, would you 14 like to make a couple dollars and I said sure. I said 15 doing what? She said, Well, I know this Jeffrey. He 16 lives on Palm Beach Island and I bring girls there and he 17 likes massages and I was like okay. So I asked her, I 18 said well, what about my age? And she said well, just 19 make sure that you tell him that you're 18. And I had a 20 fake ID at the time and we went there. 21 Q. Okay. And about what time period was it that 22 you went over there first, do you remember? 23 A. What time period? 24 Q. Yes. As far as what year was that that you 25 were in school? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611954  Page 7 A. Q. 3 BY MS. 4 Q. Were you a freshman or a sophomore, do you 5 remember? 6 A. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. 7 Probably a sophomore. 8 Q. Now you said that told you that he 9 likes massages. Did she elaborate on what types of 10 massages? 11 A. She said sometimes he likes topless massages, 12 but you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. 13 He just likes massages. 14 Q. And do you know whether had given him 15 massages? 16 A. Yeah, she said she's done it before. 17 Q. And do you know whether had taken any 18 other girls over to see Jeffrey? 19 A. Yes, she probably did. 20 Q. Did she tell how much you would make? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. What did she tell you? 23 A. We go there and we make $200 in 30 minutes. 24 Q. Now you said that you asked her, you know, what 25 do I need to be worried about my age. Why did you ask 4...51“.0.+Wo.l.••• ••••••••%••WASIPV. ••••••••••:•••• J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611955  Page 8 1 her that? 2 A. Because I don't want to be -- you know, it was 3 like I was underage and I was young and I was pretty 4 stupid and I didn't want to get -- I didn't want to get 5 in trouble, so I always made sure -- I had a fake ID, 6 anyways, saying that I was 18. And she just said make 7 sure you're 18 because Jeffrey doesn't want any underage 8 girls. 9 BY AGENT 10 Q. Now i did she -- where did you meet her 11 at? In school? What setting? 12 A. I was at a friend's house, my girlfriend's 13 house. I don't know what girlfriend's house it was. 14 Everybody was just hanging out. And she said -- she came 15 up to me and she asked me. She said, do you want to make 16 a couple bucks and I said sure. 17 Q. And after the first time that she took you over 18 there to meet Mr. Epstein, did she ever call you again to 19 set up any appointments with him or anything like that? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Did she ever call you on the phone is what I'm 22 asking? 23 A. No, I gave Jeffrey my number. And I said, you 24 know, any time you want me to give you a massage again, 25 I'll more than welcome to. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611956  Page 9 1 BY MS. ala 2 Q. So IIIIIIItook you that first time, but then 3 after that you communicated directly with Jeffrey? 4 A. Uh-huh. 5 Q. Tell us about that first time that you went to 6 his house. Who -- how did you get there? 7 A. One of 'I'll= friends and they dropped us 8 off and then we went. You know, we got escorted up to 9 the massage room and he told me everything. He said, 10 Listen, I like massages. And we had the whole massage 11 table laid out, the lotions and everything. And she was 12 in there for the first like five minutes. And the first 13 time I gave him a massage, she left the room and I gave 14 him a massage. And she told me, she says he likes women 15 topless massages. So I willingly the first time took off 16 my top when I gave him a massage and nothing more than 17 that. It was just a back massage and neck massage and I 18 was out of there. 19 Q. Okay. Let me just ask you a couple of 20 follow-up questions. You said that someone escorted you 21 up to the room. Do you know who that was? 22 A. One of -- what's her name? Actually, 23 just said, you know, it's up there and she just told 24 me where it was. 25 Q. And then you said that you and went KY -ow. 1......K.YEKKarKwKom..../KKKAKK.K.K.K.a.otioario.K.Kwa KaKoaa....K.K..vaK Kra.. 3. Censor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611957  Page 10 1 upstairs together? 2 A. UhThuh. 3 Q. And UMstayed in there for the first few 4 minutes? 5 A. Uh-huh. 6 Q. Was Jeffrey already in the room by the time 7 left? 8 A. Yeah, he was in the room. 9 Q. Okay. Was he there when you guys showed up in 10 the room or did he come in after you were already there? 11 A. He was in the room already. 12 Q. And you said that you took your top off. Did 13 anybody ask you to take it off, like did say it's 14 time for you to take it off? 15 A. No, she wasn't in the room. 16 Q. By the time you took it off, okay. 17 A. I said, I told Jeffrey, I heard you like 18 massages topless. And he's like, yeah, he said, but you 19 don't have to do anything that you don't feel comfortable 20 with. And I said okay, but I willingly took it off. 21 Q. Okay. And during that first massage, you said 22 that you gave him a shoulder and neck massage? 23 A. Neck, back, shoulder, yeah. 24 Q. Was he face down the entire time that he got 25 his massage? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611958  Page 11 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. And what did you do during the massage? Did 3 you talk or -- 4 A. Yeah, we talked. 5 Q. And what would you talk about with him? 6 A. Well, we were just getting to know each other. 7 We talked about how my lifestyle was, what he did for a 8 living and just all positive things, really nice things. 9 Q. Okay. What was he wearing when you first came 10 in the room? 11 A. I'm sorry. When he first -- when he first came 12 in the room, he was fully clothed. And then he said, you 13 know, wait a second. I'm going to go on the massage 14 table and he put a towel over him just like a normal 15 masseuse would do. 16 Q. Did he undress and put a towel around him? 17 A. Uh-huh. 18 Q. Okay. 19 A. Yeah, I didn't see anything. It was just back, 20 neck and shoulders. 21 Q. And after the massage was over, you received 22 the $200? 23 A. He gives money right away. 24 Q. I'm sorry. Was that before you started the 25 massage or after the massage he gave you? 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611959  Page 12 1 A. The first time, he gave me the money right 2 away. 3 Q. Okay. And he's the person that paid you the 4 S2007 A. No, it's always IS 6 Q. ME gave you the money? 7 A. Uh-huh. 8 BY AGENT a 9 Q. What's MI last name, do you know? 10 A. I don't know. 11 MR. : You can't look at papers. If 12 you think you know, you know. If you don't know, -- 13 THE WITNESS: No, I don't know. I don't know 14 last name. He does. 15 BY MS. 16 Q. Okay. The only thing I'm confused about is you 17 said that didn't even take you upstairs. She just 18 told you where you should go? 19 A. Uh-huh. 20 Q. So when did she pay you the money? 21 A. She paid me then and there when I first walked 22 in the door, me and 23 BY AGENT. 24 Q. She paid you before you went upstairs? 25 A. Yes. 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611960  Page 13 1 BY MS. =MS 2 Q. And how much was Mil paid? 3 A. Everybody got paid $200. Q. And after -- So after the massage was finished, 5 you said that you had already been paid. Who asked you 6 for your name and telephone number? 7 A. Jeffrey said, Well, I'd like to see you again. 8 Can I have your number? From what I remember, I'm pretty 9 sure he asked me for my number and I gave him my number. 10 Q. Okay. 11 BY AGENT 12 Q. Did he write it down upstairs? He had a pen 13 handy, I hope? 14 A. Uh-huh. 15 BY MS. 16 Q. On that first massage, you said that you worked 17 on him topless. But when you first started, did you take 18 what were you wearing? 19 A. I was wearing a shirt, a normal shirt and 20 jeans. And I started to do a massage and I said well, I 21 heard you like topless massages. And, of course, he 22 thought I was 18. And he's like yeah, I do. I prefer 23 that. And who wouldn't, you know? So I said okay and I 24 took it off. 25 Q. And you took off your bra as well? 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611961  Page 14 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And you left your jeans on? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Okay. So you gave him a massage. Did he 5 request you do anything special in the massage? 6 A. No. 7 Q. And he never turned over in that first massage? 8 A. No. 9 Q. So you said that that day you gave your name 10 and number to Jeffrey. When was your next contact from 11 him or anybody who worked for him? 12 A. The next day, he had called me and he said 13 would like to come out again and I'd like to see you 14 again. I said sure. I took a taxi there and I went 15 there again. 16 Q. The following day? 17 A. The next day. 18 Q. Okay. And you said that Jeffrey is the person 19 who called you for that appointment? 20 A. No, Jeffrey did not, no. actually 21 called me. From what I remember, actually called 22 me. 23 Q. Okay. And she said Jeffrey says he wants to 24 see you again? 25 A. Yes. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611962  Page 15 1 Q. And then you said you took a taxi? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Is that how you would normally get to and from 4 his house? 5 A. Uh-huh, if I didn't have friends because I 6 don't drive, yeah. 7 BY AGENT 8 Q. How did you get home the first time when 9 ill' took you over? Did she get a taxi? 10 A. No, our friend came back and picked us up. 11 Q. Which friend was that? 12 A. His name was I don't know his last 13 name. I really didn't know and I didn't know her 14 friends or whatever, but I met Jeffrey. And once I met 15 Jeffrey, he was a very awesome guy and I just -- I don't 16 know. I ended up giving him my number so I could -- I 17 didn't want or to drive me anymore. I 18 would rather go to him on my own. 19 BY Ms. 20 Q. When you would take the taxis to and from, 21 would he pay for them? 22 A. Uh-huh. 23 Q. And he would pay when you arrived? 24 A. Uh-huh. 25 Q. And then he would just give you extra money J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611963  Page 16 1 when you left to pay for the taxi? 2 A. No, no. I never asked him for extra money, so 3 I just paid for my own taxi. 4 Q. Okay. So from the money that he paid you for 5 the massage? 6 A. Two hundred, yeah. 7 Q. Where were you living at the time? 8 A. I was living at It's 9 located on-So I would take, you know, 10 straight IMMIdown to where I lived. 11 Q. Do you remember about how much that taxi fare 12 was each..? 13 A. Twenty dollars. 14 Q. And did you always use the same taxi service 15 or -- 16 A. No, I used different taxis all the time, so -- 17 Q. And you would just call and have them come to 18 your house? 19 A. Uh-huh. I used a whole bunch of different 20 taxis, whatever is available. 21 Q. So you mentioned that the second massage, was 22 it any different than the first one? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. How was it different? 25 A. When I went there, I went there by myself. And 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611964  Page 17 I went up to the massage room and Jeffrey was just like ogular like he was before on his stomach and he had a 3 towel over and we started the massage and I had my top 4 off willingly. And after the massage, he asks me the 5 whole time. He says, Are you comfortable with me doing 6 this and I said yes and he turned around. And this was 7 like at the end of the massage, our 30-minutes massage, 8 usually it was even shorter than that. And he 9 masturbated at the end of the massage and it was like two 10 seconds and I was just topless. 11 Q. And when he turned over, then did he touch you 12 at all or was he just -- 13 A. No. I did not touch him. He did not touch me. 14 He didn't even want -- 15 Q. You didn't like continue the massage while he 16 was masturbating or anything? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Okay. I cut you off. You said he didn't even? 19 A. He didn't want me to touch him and he didn't 20 touch me at all. 21 Q. Did he ever ask you to rub his chest or rub his 22 nipples during the massage? 23 A. Actually, later on -- because I saw him for a 24 long time. Later on, I asked him, you know, and I asked 25 him -- I would give him -- you know, I would rub his 0••••••14..43.1. a.. La.. , 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611965  Page 18 1 chest or whatever and massage him while he was 2 masturbating, yeah. 3 Q. So eventually you would continue the massage 4 and he would masturbate at the same time? 5 A. Yeah, but it wasn't on his lower area. 6 Q. No, you never touched his penis? 7 A. Right. 8 Q. Okay. So that was during the second massage. 9 You were paid 8200 again? 10 A. Always. 11 Q. Always? Every time you went there? 12 A. Always. 13 BY AGENT • 14 Q. Was it always that paid you? 15 A. Sometimes Jeffrey would and sometimes 16 would. 17 BY MS. 18 Q. Was it usually before or after the massage? 19 A. After the first time, it was always after. I 20 would go downstairs and I'd get paid. 21 Q. So just sort of tell us, when a massage ended, 22 which I assume was after he ejaculated? 23 A. It wasn't all the time that he did, though. 24 Q. Okay. 25 A. It wasn't like every time we went there he imwegilw`p • Iw....)4.4.4,44-•••••••••,5•Nimax•TA•• , J4. ••••••••• J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611966  Page 19 1 released. Sometimes he just wanted his feet massaged. 2 Sometimes he just wanted a back massage. 3 Q. Okay. But when the massage was over however it 4 ended, you would just get dressed and go downstairs by 5 yourself or did take you downstairs? 6 A. Yeah. The chef would make us food and it'd be 7 great. And Jeffrey would get dressed and he'd come down 8 with us sometimes or, you know, it wasn't -- we had fun. 9 It was all positive. 10 Q. Okay. How many massages do you think that you 11 gave Jeffrey? 12 A. I gave Jeffrey a lot of massages. I can't tell 13 you. I saw him for a good year. 14 Q. And how many times would you see him weekly 15 or more than once a week? 16 A. Yeah. 17 Q. More than once a week? 18 A. I personally would or I'd bring girls. 19 Q. Okay. But either you would or either a girl 20 that you brought? 21 A. Yeah, uh-huh. 22 Q. Okay. 23 A. But after a while, it wasn't me anymore. I had 24 brought girls, but I got paid $200 to bring girls. 25 Q. Okay. So let's talk just about when you were J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611967  Page 20 1 performing the massages. What other sorts of things 2 would happen? You said that sometimes he would just like 3 his feet massaged. What else would happen during those 4 massage sessions? 5 A. Nothing. Everything I told you. 6 Q. Okay. So sometimes a back massage? 7 A. Sometimes he liked back massages. Sometimes he 8 like feet massages. Sometimes he like his head massaged. 9 He liked his head massaged a lot. Sometimes leg 10 massages, yeah. And it wasn't every time that we went 11 there he masturbated. 12 Q. Okay. Any idea half and half or less than half 13 the time that he masturbated? 14 A. Less the time he masturbated. 15 Q. Did you always perform topless? Did you ever 16 get completely naked towards the end or in the middle and 17 remove all of your clothing? 18 A. I would wear panties. Willingly one time 19 because we were making jokes and everything and willingly 20 one time I had, yes, I was totally nude, but I was fine 21 with it. 22 Q. Okay. 23 A. Totally fine with it. 24 Q. And how did that massage go? 25 A. Actually, it was a foot massage and he was ....w..., 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611968  Page 21 1 sitting on the couch. We didn't even have the massage 2 table out and I gave him a foot rub and I was nude 3 Q. And how much were you paid for that? 4 A. Two hundred every single time. 5 Q. Did he at any point kiss you, touch you, show 6 any kind of affection towards you? 7 A. Never, never. 8 Q. Okay. 9 BY AGENT 10 Q. Why not? 11 A. Why not? Why would he? 12 Q. You seem like a nice young lady, attractive. 13 He never had any urges to -- 14 A. I asked him, i said, When are you going to get 15 married? When are you going to get married, Jeffrey? He 16 said, I'm never getting married. He has, you know, 17 beautiful women all the time. Why would he -- no, 18 huh-uh. 19 BY MS. 20 Q. He never pulled you closer to him in a sexual 21 22 A. I wish. No, no, never, ever, ever, no, never. 23 Jeffrey is an awesome man, no. 24 Q. Okay. Now you said that at some point you 25 started bringing other girls over? 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611969  Page 22 1 A. Uh-huh. 2 Q. How did that start? 3 A. He likes to see different faces. 4 Q. So he asked you if you had friends that you 5 could bring over or other girls? 6 A. Uh-huh. 7 Q. And how did you decide who you would ask to 8 come over? 9 A. All of my good-looking girlfriends and if they 10 had friends. It's all about, you know, we were just 11 making money and Jeffrey is an awesome guy. We just, you 12 know -- I would tell my girlfriends just like 13 approached me. Make sure you tell him you're 18. Well, 14 these girls that I brought, I know that they were 18 or 15 19 or 20. And the girls that I didn't know and I don't 16 know if they were lying or not, I would say make sure 17 that you tell him you're 18. 18 Q. Okay. What exactly would you tell them about 19 what would happen after you got to the house? 20 A. I said he likes massages, but he prefers 21 topless massages. But if you're not comfortable, then 22 don't do it and it won't matter. 23 Q. And did any of them tell you what happened 24 after that? 25 A. Always, always, I even asked them. 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611970  Page 23 1 Q. Okay. And with the other girls, was it the 2 same as what you did or different? 3 A. Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, I was more willingly 4 to do more, you know. Like I said, I went nude for him 5 one time. But the other girls, they practically were 6 topless and that's all that they were willing to do. 7 Some girls didn't want to go topless and Jeffrey didn't 8 mind. 9 Q. Were there girls that you brought back multiple 10 times? 11 A. A couple, a couple, but he really liked to see 12 different faces. 13 Q. Okay. I'm just wondering are there some girls 14 he really liked and others he didn't like or did he have 15 any preferences in terms of blondes, brunettes? 16 A. He liked girls like me. 17 Q. Okay. Thin and attractive? 18 A. I guess. Yeah, very attractive women. And he 19 didn't say girls. He said women all the time. 20 Q. Did you ever bring anybody he didn't care for? 21 A. Huh-uh. 22 Q. Yeah? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. How was she different than the others? 25 A. Black. I screwed up. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611971  Page 24 1 Q. How did you know you screwed up? 2 A. He doesn't like black women, obviously. 3 Q. So he let you know? He told you that? 4 A. Yeah, but he was still nice and he still gave 5 her her 200 even though he didn't even have a massage by 6 her. 7 Q. How did he -- he paid you $200 for bringing 8 each girl? 9 A. Uh-huh. 10 Q. And when he told you that, I mean, that's what 11 he told you that he would pay you $200 for bringing the 12 girls? 13 A. Yeah. He said if you bring me -- if you bring 14 me girls, I'll definitely, you know, give you money, 15 compensate you for your time and willing to do that for 16 me, yeah. 17 Q. And you said at that point you stopped 18 performing massages for him? 19 A. At that point, I didn't -- it would be 20 sporadically like. Usually, I had so many girlfriends at 21 the time that, you know, there were some new faces to be 22 saw. And if no one was available, then would go. 23 Q. I got you. 24 A. So -- 25 Q. Do you know some of the girls that you brought, I J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611972  Page 25 1 some of the their names? 2 A. I don't remember, really. They were like not 3 even friends. They were just associates, you know. If 4 anything, they'd be friends of friends, so no. 5 Q. We have -- I don't know. We have some messages 6 I guess that some girls' names that would call Jeffrey 7 and leave a massage. There's some girls names that are 8 referenced. We were just wondering if you knew them? 9 A. If you name them, I can probably remember. 10 MS. MM do you have that? 11 BY AGENT 12 Q. is one. 13 A. I don't know 1 = Do you know her last 14 name? 15 MS. : We were hoping you did. 16 THE WITNESS: No, I don't. 17 BY AGENT 18 Q. 19 A. No, that sounds like a black girl's 20 name. 21 Q. Well, you brought a black girl. What was her 22 name? 23 A. I don't know. Don't ask me. 24 0. 25 A. yeah, I brought J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611973  Page 26 1 Q. Who is she? Tell us about 2 A. NES we look just alike, if that's the girl 3 I'm thinking about. We went to school together and I 4 brought her one time and then she ended up moving so she 5 couldn't come with me.' 6 Q. Were you guys in the same grade or -- 7 A. No, she was older than me. 8 Q. A year or two? 9 A. She was -- Actually, she was like 18. I don't 10 know. She was older. She was like, you know, two ranks, 11 two grades ahead of me. 12 Q. So when you were a sophomore, she was a senior? 13 A. I just met her in school and I told her. 14 BY MS. 15 Q. What was her last name? 16 A. I don't know. 17 BY AGENT 18 Q. Do you know where she lived? A. I just 19 met her in school and I told her about it. 20 Q. You told her about it at school? Is that where 21 your discussion was or -- 22 A. Well, I said give me your number. I said you 23 can make a couple of dollars. It's real easy. And if 24 you're comfortable with it, give me a call. 25 Q. Was that at school or at a party? v.,..)...laW.3,1•WOTImil ea r- WAi.aaJollIa...•~A-1•1•Rae•Aaeefe.frann.r.-0C6. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611974  Page 27 1 A. No, at school. 2 Q. At school. You're not sure what her last name 3 was? 4 A. I have no idea. 5 Q. Do you know where she lived or anything like 6 that, what car she drove? 7 A. No. 8 Q. What'd she look like? 9 A. What she looked like? 10 Q. Yeah. 11 A. Like me, everything, blonde hair, blue eyes. 12 (Start Side B of tape.) 13 AGENT : Time recorder is being 14 restarted is approximately 4:50 p.m 15 BY MS. 16 Q. We were talking about . You were at 17 at the time? 18 A. No, I was at 19 Q. okay. 20 A. And that's where went to school. 21 Q. What about a girl named 22 A. who? 23 BY AGENT 24 Q. Did you bring a 25 A. I brought a couple 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611975  Page 28 1 Q. I want to know about every one you brought. 2 A. Q. What was her name? In a car accident or 3 4 something? 5 A. No, she died. 6 9 BY MS. 10 Q. Let's talk about the other A. I don't even know. I don't know. I don't 11. one 12 know. There were some girls that just I would take n, so I don't 13 time and then I would never talk to agai 14 know. 15 Q. How many girls do you think you brought to 16 Jeffrey's house? A. That's a good question. I bring a lot, like 17 30. It was all 18 maybe -- I don't know, maybe 30, maybe 19 about the money to me at that time. did any 20 Q. Now any of the girls that you brought, then they would 21 of them leave their names and numbers and or did they always 22 get appointments directly from Jeffrey 23 go through you? 24 A. They went through me, hopefully. 25 Q. So you don't know? 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611976  Page 29 1 BY AGENT la 2 Q. You weren't getting paid, right? 3 A. I told them, I said, Don't give him your 4 number. 5 BY MS. 6 Q. If you brought the same girl more than once, 7 would you get paid each time you brought them or just get 8 the initial $200? 9 A. Every single time I brought a girl, okay, or I 10 referred a girl, I always got $200, always. 11 Q. Even if she came a second time? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. You would get $200 every time she came? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Good deal. Okay. What about IIIIIIIIr 16 A. who? 17 Q. Any that you brought to Mr. Epstein's 18 house. 19 A. I brought a 20 Q. Where did she go to school? 21 A. She didn't go to school. 22 Q. Okay. How did you know 23 A. ' been my -- she's my friend in the 24 past. How did I meet , at a party or she was my 25 -- Actually, she was my baby's father's girlfriend at the iolakAk•V 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611977  Page 30 1 time and I met her at a party. 2 Q. You asked her if she'd be willing to go to 3 Jeffrey's house? 4 A. Uh-huh. 5 Q. And when -- do you remember when that would 6 have been? 7 A. Actually, a couple weeks, a couple weeks. I do 8 remember her. A couple weeks after I met him. 9 Q. So you brought her pretty soon after you met 10 Jeffrey? 11 A. Uh-huh. 12 Q. And how old was 13 A. 14 Q. And what happened when you brought 15 A. The same thing. 16 Q. Okay. Well, I know that sometimes you said 17 that the girls would tell you what happened? 18 A. She went in there. She had a massage -- she 19 gave a massage on his back. She went a couple times. He 20 liked her. She went a couple times. The first time she 21 told me that he didn't -- it was just like me the first 22 time. He didn't climax at all, nothing happened. It was 23 just a massage. And then she went, I think, like two 24 times after that. And yeah, he masturbated, but no 25 touching. She didn't -- there's no touching of him. No W.,WAYa.a.1.1•1•04.,..•••••aa••• •M•44.1••••• ••••WOodA J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611978  Page 31 1 touching of her. None of my girls ever had a problem and 2 they'd call me. They'd beg me, you know, for us to go to 3 Jeffrey's house because they love Jeffrey. Jeffrey is a 4 respectful man. He really is. I mean, and he all 5 thought we were of age, always. This is what's so sad 6 about it. 7 Q. How would -- how would you make appointments 8 for girls to go over there? 9 A. I'd call them and they'd say hi, do you want to 10 go to Jeffrey's house? And they'd say yes or no and we'd 11 call a taxi. 12 Q. How would you know when Jeffrey was going to be 13 in town? 14 A. When Jeffrey was in town, would call me. 15 Q. Did she always call when they were already in 16 town or would she -- how far in advance would she call 17 you? 18 A. They only called me when they were in Palm 19 Beach. They never called me from anywhere. They've 20 never called me from anywhere else. It was always when I 21 was in Palm Beach. They'd say hi, we're down here. If 22 you want to come and see Jeffrey, you're more than 23 welcome to. 24 Q. So you wouldn't have like a specific time when 25 you would go over, like be here at 11 or be here at two? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611979  Page 32 1 A. Well, I'd tell them, I'd say -- well, I mean, 2 I'd have to work around his schedule. He'd have to work 3 around mine. Yeah, we'd say I'll be there at three. 4 I'll be there at four, whatever. 5 Q. Do you -- I know that you said you talked to 6 on the phone. Was there anybody else t