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To: [email protected][[email protected]]; Jeffrey [email protected]] From: Jem Bendell Sent: Sat 9/22/2012 3:04:16 AM Subject: Re: YGLs, Future of Money & Alternative Currencies - greetings & update Hi Jeffrey Any thoughts? OK to progress? Or too much of a commitment/project than what you had in mind? Happy to chat any day from, Seattle time: 330-4.OOpm or 1030pm onwards Seattle time. Thx, Jem On 17 September 2012 18:42, Jem Bendell wrote: > Hi Jeffrey, • > I thought about it more, and here are my thoughts, suggestions, and a > draft invitation letter. If you can go through it by tomorrow, that would > be great, as then we can decide whether/how to proceed. I11 be on skype 4pm > to 7pm Singapore time tomorrow but in the air at other times (going to > australia). > As you know, top people are busy. In this field many are underfunded or > overstretched, and not interested in blah blah. Well, at least the ones I > want to engage! Therefore, the type of senior action-oriented person I have > in mind will look for: • clear outputs and outcomes that are more than reports or new • connections • a tangible benefit from participation even if they arent satisfied • with the outputs or outcomes, such as donation to something they believe • in, or a fee • a professional event, located in a place they want to go for other • reasons as well e.g. a hub like London or NYC, or a side event to Davos, or • something that could sit alongside a summer holiday • > In addition, the people I have in mind will think about the context for > the event, i.e. whose agenda is driving it, or subsequent activities, and > whose agenda might be served by it. Therefore, I think • I should front the initiative and mention you as a private • philanthropist who will be at the event. • - we should make a statement about how the collective intelligence of • the gathering will inform specific funded actions • > Therefore, I recommend: EFTA_R1_02206361 EFTA02721858  We do it in NYC or London, depending on the draft list I front the initiative, as above You fund up to 15 people's travel (delegates), and also their plus ones (if they wish to bring them; not to the seminar though), and also a stipend of 400 USD a day for each participant who requests it, which they can claim personally or ask to be donated to an organisation. You agree that you will provide at least XXXX USD for each of 2 specific project proposals to be agreed by the end of the 3 days (proposals that meet the stated ambition - i.e. activities which practically contribute towards a fundamental transformation of monetary systems - and that involve a number of the participants, and can be managed by a 501c3). I could manage the follow up liaison with the proposal leads, in order to ensure they meet your expectations and the spirit of the meeting. I commit that the insights from the event will a) shape the introduction and conclusion to the book Im finishing in December, called "Healing Capitalism" (but with Chatham House rules, so complete confidentiality for the individuals involved) and b) inform the programme of research, dialogue and training that I will develop at the new Institute Im setting up at the Uni of Cumbria. We hire a professional facilitator to ensure the meeting moves in a dynamic way to achieve specific insights and proposals (Id work with the facilitator in designing the day and in hosting the discussions on the day) We organise a good party and let them invite some friends (e.g. I have about 6 friends in NYC including a pop star and a model, and about 10 friends in London including some really interesting people). Is that OK? In which case, the key question is: what range of investment/donation would you be willing to consider for a couple of specific projects or programmes of work coming out of this day? What we are doing could be unique, and stating a figure would help people get a sense of how ambitious they can be in their thinking in the lead up and during this meeting. Sadly, at present, the big money is for cautious work. For instance, New Economics Foundation are in a consortium who have been awarded 5 million Euros from the EU to develop and study 6 local currencies, where the currency systems we believe are fundamentally flawed/limited. I have drafted a letter that could be the one Id send to invitees, so you see how I think it could be framed/pitched. Once you give me the green light to these ideas, Ill a) draft an initial delegate list for you to add to, b) prepare an MoU so we are clear on the agreement and eventual costs e.g. I would then start to record and bill for my time in the process of project development and delivery (I presume phone calls with some potential participant will be necessary to explain and then ensure their commitment). EFTA_R1_02206362 EFTA02721859 > If in NYC, would you prefer to host, or have a neutral venue and house > people in hotels? > I'm still thinking of first week of December (6th/7th/8th) which means we > would need to get the invites out in the next 2 weeks. If this takes longer > to confirm, then I recommend early February instead. • > Here is the draft letter, so you see how Id frame it. > Subject: Rethinking Monetary Systems > Dear XXXX > I am delighted to invite you to a private and confidential dialogue on > Rethinking Monetary Systems, running over 3 days, which will bring together > a maximum of 15 world experts. Your entire costs of attendance will be > covered, including the costs of your partner if you wish to bring them, and > a daily honorarium. My interest in convening this meeting is as a Professor > developing a research and teaching programme on this topic, and as a board > member of a leading community exchange system provider, but mostly as > someone who believes that we can no longer wait for someone else to show an > ambition that matches the scale of the problem. The intention is that this > meeting is the beginning of a sustained effort at better informing work on > reshaping monetary systems. Therefore, the philanthropist helping produce > this meeting has agreed to make a contribution of XXXX USD to each of two > projects that you co develop and agree to work on with some of the other > participants. > As you know, the ongoing effects of financial crisis are leading more > people to question the fundamentals of our monetary systems. Persistent > economic, social and environmental concerns have led others to campaign for > changes in monetary and banking systems, and to the creation of independent > exchange systems at community or small enterprise levels. Yet the responses > and reform agendas discussed by leaders in business, government, academia > and civil society appear to fall short of a fundamental rethink of monetary > systems - and consequent initiatives - to promote sustainable development. > There are various initiatives happening on monetary reform and on > alternative exchange systems. Despite some positive examples, the impact is > tiny in comparison to the size of the global economy. In order to create > new monetary or exchange systems that promote sustainable development there > needs to be a quantum leap in current efforts. For that to happen, there > needs to be a new strategic dialogue around transforming current monetary > systems. Those working on monetary reform and exchange alternatives need to > dialogue. Together, they also need to dialogue with professionals in > mainstream accounting, finance, derivatives, currencies and taxation. Then > they need dialogue with professionals working in relevant fields of social > change, communications and disruptive enterprise. > This is an ambitious and long term agenda. To begin with we must try to > find a workable common understanding and direction. For that, a small > gathering of brilliant minds from relevant professions is a necessary > starting point. > The event will begin with dinner on Thursday evening (insert date), and > continue on Friday and Saturday, concluding with a soiree on Saturday > evening (insert date). Sunday is free for fun or further conversation. > Administratively, the meeting is being produced with the help of XXXXX > [TBD: Cumbria, Community Forge, or Planetworkl, and the costs covered by a > private philanthropist, whom you will meet on the day. EFTA_R1_02206363 EFTA02721860 > The turn around on this project is quick, so I would welcome a > confirmation by email in the coming week. However, if you would like to > discuss this further before agreeing to participate, I am on > Yours sincerely, • > Professor Jem Bendell • > on 16 September 2012 22:34, Jem Bendell a wrote: •» ill call » On 16 September 2012 22:33, Jeffrey Epstein <[email protected]>wrote: » voicemail 3 times >>> >>> >» On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jem Bendell wrote: >>> >>» my phone crashed. android error. can u call again? >>» >>>> On 16 September 2012 22:30, Jeffrey Epstein <[email protected]>wrote: >>» >»» now voicemail >>>» >>>>> >>>» On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Jem Bendell rote: >>>>> >>»» To explore that topic ("revamp the financial system/ markets") would >>>>» mean a broader discussion than either how to pioneer a scalable exchange >>>>>> system or building the movement/profession of alternative exchange systems. >>>>» >>>>>> Because this would also consider the broader field of monetary reform >>>>>> and how to promote it. This is the topic of a panel I ran in a festival in >>»» Sweden recently, where we included people working on national monetary >>>>>> reform, local community exchange systems, and full reserve banks. Various >>>>» campaigns such as www.positivemoney.org.uk are promoting awareness >>>>» and policy proposals about monetary reform. >>>>>> >>>>» For this broader discussion, the title could be "Strategies for a >>>>» Sustainable Transformation of Monetary Systems" and it would bring together >>»» people to look at methods via education, advocacy, lobbying, as well as the >>>>>> development and promotion of scaleable alternatives. It could split into >>>>» two working groups at some point, one on monetary reform, the other on >>>>» exchange alternatives. It would help people to be ambitious and creative in >>»» thinking about largescale change, and practical in specifying what needs to >>>>» be done and how to fund it. >>>>» EFTA_R1_02206364 EFTA02721861 >>>>» Myself, I made the decision a 18 months ago to focus on scaleable >>>>>> disruptive innovation in this field, rather than the policy work (which is >>>>>> more my background), as I think thats where we can see rapid change, and >>>>» where rapid change will also add power to the reform agenda. >>>>» >>>>>> If this isnt what you had in mind, then, either >>»» a) can you write what you have in mind, or call me and explain it? Or >>>>» b) If you ask me, I'll write what I think the main things that need >>>>» doing on monetary reform and exchange alternatives and strategies to get >>»» there (from my background in social change advisory with various groups). >>>>>> >>»» If (b), Id need to do it on 23rd/24th as have too much teaching and >>»» travel before then. >>>>» >>>>» Thanks, Jem >>>>» >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15 September 2012 21:00, Jeffrey Epstein <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>» >>>>>>> revamp the financial system/ markets >>>>>» >>>>>» >>>»» On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Jem Bendell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>» AGREED! ME NEITHER. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>» nb: No chance at present of money laundering or theft or hidden >>>>>>>> transactions with mutual/self issued credit systems. >>>>>>>> >>>>»» You would like to explore this in order to: >>>>>>» a) help create a scaleable new initiative in the market for >>>>>>» alternative exchange systems? Therefore this is early stage exploration for >>>>»» what could become a commercial or not-for-profit enterprise that you might >>>>»» support? >>>>»» OR >>>>>>>> b) help the emerging "movement" or "profession" in the alternative >>>>>>» exchange space to up their game in terms of scale and so they dont cause >>>>>>» social harm (tax avoidance, money laundering, drug payments etc)? >>>>>>>> OR BOTH, OR >>>>>>» c) something else >>>>>>>> >>>>>>» On 15 September 2012 16:29, Jeffrey Epstein <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>» >>>>>>>>> Tax is only a detail , but a serious one. I would like to explore >>>>>>>» all alternatives.. BUT only scalable ones. quasi barter exchanges , >>>>>>>» though most are only one level deep. as opposed to computation ability can >>>>>»» find all trades ). are problematic. the taxing of even virtual currency, >>>>>»» by the IRS , is a good example of what can go wrong. ( irs publication )• >>>>>>>>> must be careful to avoid aiding and abetting money laundering. serious >>>>>>>» crimes. the bitcoin guys said they didn't mind having to go to jail. >>>>>>>» sorry , not me >>>>>>>» EFTA_R1_02206365 EFTA02721862 >>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Jem Bendell >>>>>>»» wrote: >>>>>>>» >>>>>>»» Its complex. I see various possible solutions: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>»» For mutual credit and self issued credit, if the denomination is >>>>>>»» a national currency, such as with the WIR and CHF or the new TEM (in >>>>>>>>>> greece) and the EUR, then tax owed on the trades is easy to calculate. >>>>>>>>>> Collection is another matter: but mutual credit and self issued credit >>>>>>>>>> systems can be completely transparent with full transaction records. The >>>>>>>>» WIR system participants pay tax OK, in CHF equivalent. That probably puts a >>>>>>>>» downwards pressure on the volume of trades in WIR. Ideally, >>>>>>>>» national/state/municipal govns should charge tax in the exchange unit that >>>>>>>>>> the transactions are taking place, as this then provides a backing (i.e. >>>>>>>>>> the unit can be spent for taxes). >>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>» Economist and former central banker Bernard Lietaer has proposed >>>>>>»» a "boon" well local governments would issue their own fiat currency, which >>>>>>»» could then be used to pay taxes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>»» Different countries have different laws. For instance, in France, >>>>>>>>>> if your local non money-denominated income is for a trade thats not your >>>>>>>>» main profession, then they do not need to be declared. >>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>» In Belgium, a professional services exchange systems between >>>>>>>>>> social entrepreneurs was dropped after a year, as their accountants said it >>>>>>>>>> needed to be declared, and the participants felt this was commodifying and >>>>>>>>» bringing into the formal economy the favours that were being done for >>>>>>>>>> professional friends. If the government would have accepted the alternative >>>>>>»» unit as tax payment, then that would have helped. But we are a long way >>>>>>>>>> from that level of understanding and support from governments. >>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>» Its a complex area, which needs exploring as part of the >>>>>>>>» development of strategies for scaling alternative exchange systems. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is this the kind of exploration you would like to >>>>>>>>» support/host/participate in? >>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>» On 15 September 2012 15:54, Jeffrey Epstein < >>>>>>»» [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>> i do not see how taxes are paid , in any of these systems so >>>>>>>>>» far. , in most of these structures , exchanges take place, and no one >>>>>>>>>>> gets dollars or govt acceptnace scripts to pay the govt ( fed local state) >>>>>>>»» tax . solution? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>» On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Jem Bendell < EFTA_R1_02206366 EFTA02721863 >>>>>>>>>» wrote: >>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>»» At communityforge.net (the NGO I serve on the board of) we >>>>>>>>>>» have stayed away from bitcoin-type initiatives. We are now the leading >>>>>>>>>>» provider of free open source software for community exchange systems. My >>>>>>>>»» interest is in massive scale, and so while our support for communities and >>>>>>>>>>>> local businesses is good, for me its been more of a process to learn about >>>>>>>>>>» the principles and systems, with the aim of one day helping launch a global >>>>>>>>>>» mutual credit system, integrated into relevant social media, where we can >>>>>>>>»» exchange globally, simply, securely, and without banks or interest >>>>>>>>>>>> (although perhaps banks could develop new business models, if they wanted >>>>>>>>>>» to become involved: its just they wouldnt make money by controlling credit supply). Business self issued credit is another option we are now working on, with the Common Good Bank in the US. To achieve a global mutual credit would require action on multiple fronts, not just technical. i.e. how to launch to make to build understanding and support, how to address/advise on legal >>>>>>>>>>» how to recover costs or generate additional revenues, how to disperse >>>>>>>>>>>> revenues in ways acceptable to (or incentivising) users of the exchange >>>>>>>>>>>> system, how to design to protect from future backlash or technological >>>>>>>>»» attack, etc. >>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>»» Discussions with this type of ambitious agenda have not taken >>>>>>>>»» place and Id be happy to help curate one. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I called again; I can speak whenever from now on. >>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>» On 15 September 2012 04:14, Jeffrey Epstein < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> i think there are places for more than one type„ I want to >>>>>>>>>>>» stay away from the anonyouse ( but coin type „ ) too easy to attack as >>>>>>>>>>>>> drug related.. i would opt for the extreme opposite total transparancy, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>»» On Fri, Se 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Jem Bendell < >>>>>>>>>>>» wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>»» Hi Jeffrey >>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>» Some quick thoughts from our call (as Im going to sleep now). >>>>>>>>>>>>» EFTA_R1_02206367 EFTA02721864 >>>>>>>>>>>>» - I agree with your concerns re terminology, and related to >>>>>>>>>>>>» that, the broader legal issues, in order to help alternatives to scale >>>>>>>>>>>>» while being seen as complementary to existing institutions and government >>>>>>>>>>>>>> revenues. The use of the term currency is widespread in this field of >>>>>>>>>>>>» alternative exchange systems, and so thats why I currently use it to make >>>>>>>>>>>>» it simple to communicate with people already involved in this field. >>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>» - Im pleased to hear of your ambition re scaleable >>>>>>>>>>>>» alternatives to the current monetary options. Yes, the WIR mutual credit >>>>>>>>>>>>» system is only about 1% of Swiss GDP, although has broader effects due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its counter cyclical impacts (economist Stodder's research). I sense from >>>>>>>>>>>>» your comment that this isnt largescale, that you aim for really >>>>>>>>>>>>» transformative solutions. I think now such solutions are possible, given >>>>>>>>>>>>» technology. I share the same hope for massive scale of alternatives. >>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - My current view of what could scale well beyond 1% of GDP >>>>>>>>>>>>» is that they might be found within >>>>>>>>>>>>» i) b2b2c mutual credit systems (where the issue of trust over >>>>>>>>>>>>>> extended networks would need to be cracked via affinity groups, trust >>>>>>>>>>>>» metrics, insurances etc), which my NGO is now working on >>>>>>>>>>>>» ii) b2c self-issued credit systems (where mutual recognition >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by participating businesses and ability to subdivide credit would be key) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iii) a follow up to Bitcoin, with fully distributed systems >>>>>>>>>>>>» so it cant be disrupted or shut down, demurrage to encourage circulation >>>>>>>>>>>>» not hoarding, and a more sustainable way of issuance than the use of >>>>>>>>>>>>» massive amounts of computer power >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iv) a commodity backed digital currency, thats backed by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that we want, e.g. kilowatt hours, or baskets of goods. >>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first two arent new "currencies" as such, but exchange >>>>>>>>>>>>» systems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know people who may be able to participate in a discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>» about strategies for promoting scaleable solutions in this area. >>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I look forward to talking tomorrow. >>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>»» Thx, Jem >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 September 2012 00:32, Jem Bendell >>>>>>>>>>>»» wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> im checked in now. i tried to return call but it said wrong >>>>>>>>>>>»» number. am awake for another hour. i can call if i have yr number >>>>>>>>>>>»» On Sep 14, 2012 9:30 PM, "Jeffrey Epstein" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>» [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>» EFTA_R1_02206368 EFTA02721865 >>>>>>>>>>>>»» first, i would strongly suggest , changing ,/ eliminating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any reference to the word "currency ", . it will be a problem. ( only if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>» you are successful at this ). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>»» On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Jem Bendell >>>>>>>>>>>>»» a wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» Hi Jeffrey, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Ive found a 501c3 in US who the Uni of Cumbria can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» sign an MoU with to collaborate to effectively deliver workshops on >>>>>>>>>>>>>»» alternative currencies and exchange. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>»» Id prefer Uni of Cumbria leadership on this, but it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provides an option for you, if 501c3 is key for you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>»» Im still in China. Its 8pm here now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>»» Thanks, Jem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» On 13 September 2012 11:00, Jeffrey Epstein < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sorry, no. lets try again this weekend. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Jem Bendell < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi jeffrey. im in a session here at the world economic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» forum for another hour. can we chat after that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 September 2012 10:56, Jeffrey Epstein < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>»» [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great ill call in 5 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On wed, se 12, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Jem Bendell < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now? im on and up for another two hours >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» On Sep 12, 2012 6:51 PM, "Jeffrey Epstein" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> west coast with . lets talk on the phone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» today for 10 minutes you choose a time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Jem Bendell < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» Thx Jeffrey. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ive checked, and The University of Cumbria is a UK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» registered charity. No news yet from my colleagues >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» yet on any US affiliation for receiving funds. Is that key, or can you make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» foreign charity donations? EFTA_R1_02206369 EFTA02721866 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» They have confirmed there would be no top slicing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» i.e. overhead fees, for a small grant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» Beijing is 12 hours ahead of new york. On Monday, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» 9pm in Beijing would be 9am in New York. Does that work? If u are west >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coast then we need to choose a different time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 September 2012 07:45, Jeffrey < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» Sorry for all the typos .Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» On Sep 11, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Jem Bendell < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» Thx Jeffrey. Ive asked my colleagues at the Uni to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» get back to me soon re tax issues for donations, and how it works with US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» donations. The NGO community forge will not receive charitable status for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» another 3 months, and it is Swiss. Happy to help another org in US organise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it needs to be 501c3 rather than a foreign charity (I11 check with April >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also). Could we chat on Monday 17th? During the daytime, in Beijing (which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is GMT +8 hours). Thx, Jem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» On 11 September 2012 19:44, Jeffrey Epstein < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lets set a skype time. - is there a US 501 c 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm of your endeavors.? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Jem Bendell < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the introduction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Jeffrey, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's great to hear of your interest. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I came to this topic 3 years ago. For context, Im >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Professor of Sustainability Leadership, and a Board Member of Community >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forge, which is now the world's leading provider of free open source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software for community currencies. About 500 currencies use our tools, for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» instance, Time Banks USA runs on our software. Ive also now become head of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>»» research of the Green Money Working Group, which informally brings together >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» some of the top thinkers and innovators on alternative EFTA_R1_02206370 EFTA02721867 currencies. Info on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the reasons for this work I describe in my TEDX talk: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» http://www.youtube.com/watch?vX5uGLbV5zVo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» I can help in either of the following ways: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» a) Leading the organising, production and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» facilitation of an event, either via the University of Cumbria or Community >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» Forge. Both are non profits. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» b) Helping another organisation do the organising >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» and production, and instead specialising in advice on agenda, participants >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» and facilitation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» It would be great to work with April on this, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other WEE YGLS who may be interested. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be delighted to chat in the coming days. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» Please suggest a date/time. For factoring in time zones: Im in China until >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sept 18th. Then Im in Brisbane until Oct 1st. Then Singapore until Oct 7th. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M y b is , and skype is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ps: Boris, I hope to meet here in Tianjin and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chat about this and other ideas. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11 September 2012 05:46, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jem and April...**** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>»» we have been going back and forth about how to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a small convening with the YGL best and brightest around alternative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>»» currencies and the future of money.**** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» * * * * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» I'd like to introduce you to Jeffrey Epstein, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» whose philanthropic interest overlap in this area. Here is a website with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of his recent grants and projects: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» http://www.jeffreyepstein.org/home.html **** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey has offered to provide the resources, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the form of a grant, to a 501c3 or charitable equivalent organization that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>»» might host a convening related to this topic.*** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» ** ** EFTA_R1_02206371 EFTA02721868 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» He has proposed several venues which could host >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» up to 10 or so of the foremost thinkers in this space. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» **** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» I've copied Jeffrey on this email so you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» start a discussion with him and mutually decide if this is something that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes sense to all of you.**** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boris is copied as an FYI only.**** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» * * * * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» Let me know if I can be helpful in any way.**** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ** ** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» Thanks everyone,**** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» **** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * * * * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» *********************************************************** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The information contained in this communication is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>» confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitute inside information, and is intended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> the use of the addressee. 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