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From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 11:19 PM To: Lawrence Krauss Subject: Re: hi.. hope all is well lets see justins billi on tues. then you will =eed prep for conciliation . and discipline !III 4o=A0 1. you should ask questions =C* not give answers. ex. how do you=come to the conclusion that ASU has jurisdiciton .? can you define f=r me sexual harrassment . can you point to t=e regs. . the drawing. ? silly, =C* has any student complained prior to buzz feed articel. h=s any faculty .... has any ... =C* ask questions . as much as you can. Ii>=A0 why did they choose to believe. . as you =now the title 9 rules are being modified. I assume we will ope=ate under the proposed regs. as you are on notice. of the changes. ??.=,A0 if they say no, you might suggest , waiting until the= are finalized as after a hearing you will fly a court action. that =ill by definition. have the new rules in place by that time. =C* You would like to work out a solution. =you woudl like to work out a solution. . over and over. =C* \ you need to appear reasonable. if yo= argue, you were awkward. . accidnet after accindent ski=t breast comments it appears weak. . you CANNOT attack the peo=el that complained you need to attack their testimony. =C* I dont want to atttack the women, I would like you to make you= own decision based on the facts. . etc. . the fac=s the rules and the law. . if you appear misleading4k=A0 , one time its over. !! you w=re not believeed the first time. you were too defensiive.,=A0 . you made statmeents that were silly, ie no p=oblem with case as i was invited back ?!! . =ant say that again. lucy hawkins was the daughter of my friend= I will happily have a face to face with the supervisor that f=led the report. she never filed it when she heard it.40=A0 is that a failure to report issue. lucy w=nts no part of this. . to suggest she told someone that never =iid anyting , but when asked recallled a story she onve heard. ?O=A0 does that seem fair. quesiton quesi=on. . dont say ITS NOT FAIR !! I understand =he concern. I understand how some things can be misinterpreted but I=ask you if and if so how does these events fit into the rules . law.=and regs. can you explain it to me. On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 6:11 PM, L=wrence Krauss < <mailto » wrote: =he is a journalist in Australia who was also on our Amazon cruise.. she wa= involved in a defamation suit in OZ, and if my memory is correct, she eit=er launched the suit, or a countersuit, and fought it through to the end a=d won some money. She is also a strong supporter and has become a f=iend of ours. twitter.comilkraussl<=a> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http- =A_twitter.com_Ikraussl&d=DQMFAg&c=AGbYxf.lbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41=qQuZFk4A- 1IxfAU&r=DB9LvLOIQiaqWcFOihHC0LZCntZCR8Xtq5BHKNWISTo&m=3DciP97mEbO4349G8_Nf9ISUp33Th7MWHYf6uw7 yUBPZc&s=mspp0SBZaPjpSBOPRbD2=XlzHCi4LgzTZ8KNgjNB8Kg&e=> I www.lawrencemkrauss.com chttp://twitte..comilkraussl> <1=> EFTA_R1_01836051 EFTA02625003  On Sep 2, 2018, at 2:31 PM, jeffrey=E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» wrote: who is she?? On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:4= PM, Lawrence Krauss < <mailto:[email protected]=» wrote: here are the arguments against and for a suit, sent a few weeks ago =y Alison with experience, from OZ.. =span class="m_-8984912549442869696m_5209989831675157983Apple-style- span"=style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;=ont-variant-ligatures:normal;font- variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-as=an:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line- height:normal;text=indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-=pacing:0px"> Lawrence M. Krauss =rofessor School of Earth & Space Exploration and Physics =epartment Arizona State University, P.O. Box 871404, Tempe, A= 85287-1404 Research Office: Assistant (Jessica): <mailto <=iv style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;=etter- spacing:normal;text-align:starttext-indent:0px;text-transform:none;=hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;=ont-family:Calibri"> I twitter.com/Ikraussl <https://urldefe=se.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http- 3A twitter.com_lkrauss1&d=DQMFAg&=mp;c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A- 1IxfAU&r=DB9LvLOIQiaqWcF=ihHC0LZCntZCR8Xtq5BHKNVR5To&m=ciP97mEbO4349G8_Nf9l5Up33Th7MWH'a6uw7y=B P2c&s=mspp0SBZaPjp5BOPRbD2xXlzHCi4LgzTZ8KNgjNBBKg&e=> I w=w.lawrencemkrauss.com chttp://www.lawrencemkrauss.comk =C240 </=pan> Begin forwarded message: From: Alison B Subject: <=>Re: hi.. hope all is well =b>Date: August 17, 2018 at 11:55:55 PM PDT <=div> To: Lawrence Krauss mailto >> Hello there, i am sorry to hear that= Lawrence. Sorry if my reply is a bit late as i have been out of internet =ange as i am in Tonga. 2 EFTA_R1_01836052 EFTA02625004  That is terrible that ASU sent t=e report to Mel Thomson and horrible that she distributed it. Don'= these people have any serious battles to fight? There are so many huge pr=blems in the world and they are attacking a great person for what? Trivia.=lt is trivial. Vis a vis defamation, be a b=t wary and have a think about the action is the tight course of action for=you, and consult your misses who is extremely wise, also. </=iv> On the one hand if you can prove this woman lied, you may win a de=amation case against her. On the other hand, if y=u start that fight it could drag on for 2 or 3 years and thus keep appeari=g in the news. Worse she could make extravagant claims and make demands in=the Discovery process which would then get wide and repeated coverage. Sometimes defamation cases can make everything worse,=especially if she is able to make it appear as though you are persecuting =er, and she is weak and defenceless crusading for principles and you are s=rong and powerful. That would make it all worse.<=div> On the other hand if you can prove she is a malici=us actor who really had it in for you and can successfully win the PR war =s well as the legal battle then it may be worth it. Ideally you would join the publications that printed her claims to the s=it. They should be your primary target as it is their job not to destroy l=ves with unsubstantiated claims. That also deters other publishers from ha=ing a go at you if they see you are likely to litigate and to win. ASU determining against you complicates matters as people=can print what they have determined in their report. However they are not = court. Are you able to take legal action against ASU in a court? You need to appeal that decision and preferably take legal=action against ASU. I am not sure how or under what legislation that could=fall. But i think that universities must be bound by some sort of laws not=to unfairly dismiss or find against staff because their internal processes=are not courts. If laws are broken we have courts to deal with them. This =s extra-judicial. So if they violate your own rights with their non-court =etermination i would think there should be some form of legal redress, but=you would need a US lawyer for that one. I think =ou need to attack this issue at the root I would =ay nothing publicly until you have all your ducks in a row. =/div> I would first appeal the ASU verdict and hit that with everythin=. That uncomplicates everything and allows you a free swing at everything =Ise. Because these things take time, i would ask =he good defamation lawyer in Australia (just pay the money and get the bes= advice) about whether you can file against the publishing houses that pub=ished the false claims by wand then just add her on to the suit (but do=t make it about her) With the point about it bein= someone you had met before and not a stranger in the selfie, i would not =ely on this point as it is not really relevant to the case and she can jus= say "i was mistaken it wasnt a malicious lie" and then sh= is off the hook on that point. Just stick to the actual best points, numb=r 5 sounds promising. 3 EFTA_R1_01836053 EFTA02625005  I think you really need to =ake an appointment with the lawyer that briefs Stuart littlemore. Also weigh up the risk that if you sue, it will be news an= that means others may be emboldened to come forward with claims of their =wn. But ask Stuart Littlemore's briefing =awyer about your best course of legal action and what the pros and cons ar=. It is complicated and there are lots of parts t= weigh up. I am so sorry this is an awful thing to happen to a lovely pers=n who is great fun and really kind hearted. Make =n appoint,ent, dont delay, talk to the good lawyer And really good luck i am on your side. =C24> please note The information contained in this co=munication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may c=nstitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the ad=ressee. It is the property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or co=ying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibitedand may be unlawful. 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