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Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 1 of 12 EXHIBIT 6 (Filed Under Seal) Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 2 of 12 Page 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x VIRGINIA L. GIUFFRE, Plaintiff, Case No.: -against- 15-cv-07433-RWS GHISLAINE MAXWELL, Defendant. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x **CONFIDENTIAL** Videotaped deposition of RINALDO RIZZO, taken pursuant to subpoena, was held at the law offices of Boies Schiller & Flexner, 333 Main Street, Armonk, New York, commencing June 10, 2016, 10:06 a.m., on the above date, before Leslie Fagin, a Court Reporter and Notary Public in the State of New York. - - - MAGNA LEGAL SERVICES 1200 Avenue of the Americas New York, New York 10026 (866) 624-6221 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 3 of 12 Page 52 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 Q. Did you learn whether your 3 perception was correct? 4 MR. PAGLIUCA: Same objection. 5 A. It was younger. Yes, I did. 6 Q. How old was this girl? 7 A. 15 years old. 8 Q. What happens next when Ghislaine 9 Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and a 15-year-old 10 girl walk into Eva Anderson's home? 11 MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to the form. 12 Foundation. 13 A. They proceed into the dining room 14 area, which is across from the living room 15 area. I go into the kitchen and I hear a 16 conversation start. Very muffled, I could 17 not hear any particulars about the 18 conversation whatsoever. 19 My wife and I are in the kitchen 20 preparing the evening meal. Eva brings the 21 young girl into the kitchen. In the kitchen, 22 there is an island with three barstools. Eva 23 instructs the young girl to sit to the 24 furthest barstool on the right. 25 Q. Describe for me what the girl Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 4 of 12 Page 53 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 looked like, including her demeanor and 3 anything else you remember about her when she 4 walks into the kitchen. 5 A. Very attractive, beautiful young 6 girl. Makeup, very put together, casual 7 dress. But she seemed to be upset, maybe 8 distraught, and she was shaking, and as she 9 sat down, she sat down and sat in the stool 10 exactly the way the girls that I mentioned to 11 you sat at Jeffrey's house, with no 12 expression and with their head down. But we 13 could tell that she was very nervous. 14 Q. What do you mean by distraught and 15 shaking, what do you mean by that? 16 A. Shaking, I mean literally 17 quivering. 18 Q. What happens next? 19 A. We were, again, the absurdity, 20 never introduced. Like you would walk into a 21 room and say this is -- so my wife and I are 22 in the kitchen and this young girl is sitting 23 there. It was a very uncomfortable moment. 24 I look at my wife. And so I want to ease the 25 moment, and so I introduced myself and I Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 5 of 12 Page 54 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 introduced my wife, and she doesn't really 3 respond. 4 And I asked her, are you okay? And 5 she doesn't really respond. Nothing verbal, 6 no cues, her head is still down. I ask her 7 if she would like some water, tissue, 8 anything, and she basically doesn't respond. 9 Q. You ask her for a tissue? 10 A. If she would like a tissue or some 11 water at the time. 12 Q. Was she crying at the time? 13 A. My perception, she was on the verge 14 of crying. And I'm trying to loosen the 15 situation every way I know how, so the only 16 way I knew how, and I thought maybe this will 17 comfort her, I said oh, by the way, do you 18 work for Jeffrey. 19 And she says that, I guess kind of 20 made her feel comfortable, because maybe it 21 was that comment or my persistence, and she 22 said yes. So I said, what do you do? And 23 she says I'm Jeffrey's executive assistant, 24 personal assistant. Which, from looking at 25 her, just didn't seem to suit. Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 6 of 12 Page 55 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 And I blurted out: You're his 3 executive personal assistant? What do you 4 do? And she says I was hired as his 5 executive personal assistant. I schedule his 6 appointments. 7 And I'm shocked, and I blurt out: 8 You seem quite young, how did you get a job? 9 How old are you? And she says to me, point 10 blank: I'm 15 years old. 11 And I said to her: You're 15 years 12 old and you have a position like that? At 13 that point she just breaks down hysterically, 14 so I feel like I just said something wrong, 15 and she will not stop crying. My wife and I 16 were at a loss for words, and I keep on 17 trying to console her, and nothing I was 18 saying, are you all right, do you need a 19 tissue, do you need water, consoles her. 20 And then in a state of shock, she 21 just lets it rip, and what she told me was 22 just unbelievable. 23 Q. What did she say? 24 MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to the form 25 and foundation. Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 7 of 12 Page 56 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 A. She proceeds to tell my wife and I 3 that, and this is not -- this is blurting 4 out, not a conversation like I'm having a 5 casual conversation. That quickly, I was on 6 an island, I was on the island and there was 7 Ghislaine, there was Sarah, she said they 8 asked me for sex, I said no. 9 And she is just rambling, and I'm 10 like what, and she said -- I asked her, I 11 said what? And she says yes, I was on the 12 island, I don't know how I got from the 13 island to here. Last afternoon or in the 14 afternoon I was on the island and now I'm 15 here. And I said do you have a -- this is 16 not making any sense to me, and I said this 17 is nuts, do you have a passport, do you have 18 a phone? 19 And she says no, and she says 20 Ghislaine took my passport. And I said what, 21 and she says Sarah took her passport and her 22 phone and gave it to Ghislaine Maxwell, and 23 at that point she said that she was 24 threatened. And I said threatened, she says 25 yes, I was threatened by Ghislaine not to Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 8 of 12 Page 57 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 discuss this. 3 And I'm just shocked. So the 4 conversation, and she is just rambling on and 5 on, again, like I said, how she got here, she 6 doesn't know how she got here. Again, I 7 asked her, did you contact your parents and 8 she says no. 9 At that point, she says I'm not 10 supposed to talk about this. I said, but I 11 said: How did you get here. I don't 12 understand. We were totally lost for words. 13 And she said that before she got 14 there, she was threatened again by Jeffrey 15 and Ghislaine not to talk about what I had 16 mentioned earlier, about -- again, the word 17 she used was sex. 18 Q. And during this time that you're 19 saying she is rambling, is her demeanor 20 continues to be what you described it? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Was she in fear? 23 A. Yes. 24 MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to the form 25 and foundation. Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 9 of 12 Page 58 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 Q. You could tell? 3 A. Yes. 4 MR. PAGLIUCA: Same objection. 5 A. She was shaking uncontrollably. 6 Q. What happens with this 15-year-old 7 girl next? 8 MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to the form 9 and foundation. 10 A. As she is trying to explain, and 11 I'm asking questions because I'm as feared as 12 she is at this point. We hear people 13 approach and she just shuts up. 14 Q. What happens next? 15 A. Eva comes in and tells her that she 16 will be working for Eva in the city. 17 Q. As what? 18 A. As a nanny. 19 Q. Did you see this girl again? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. And when? 22 A. On a flight maybe a month or so to 23 Sweden. 24 Q. What was the purpose of the flight? 25 A. We were going to Sweden for the Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 10 of 12 Page 59 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 summer. 3 Q. Who was on the flight? 4 A. The Dubin family. 5 Q. As well as this girl? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. What happens? 8 A. One thing that I forgot to mention 9 is during our initial conversation, I asked 10 her what her name was she said her name 11 was . 12 Q. What happened with ? 13 A. We flew to Sweden, we stopped at an 14 airport that we didn't usually stop at and 15 she got off the plane. 16 Q. Just so that I make sure I 17 understand, who it was that she says asked 18 her for sex on the island, who was that? 19 MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to the form. 20 Foundation. 21 A. She didn't specify who asked for 22 sex. She said that they asked for sex. 23 Immediately after that she put Ghislaine and 24 Sarah into the conversation. 25 Q. Taking her passport? Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 11 of 12 Page 60 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. From -- are there any other 4 incidents or occurrences that you observed 5 personally with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine 6 Maxwell? 7 MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to the form 8 and foundation. 9 A. Not that I can recall. 10 Q. This last event that you described, 11 what's the timeframe when that occurred? 12 A. Late 2004, 2005. 13 Q. When did you resign your employment 14 from the Dubin family? 15 A. I think roughly October. 16 Q. Of what year? 17 A. 2005. 18 Q. Why? 19 A. My wife and I had discussed these 20 incidents, and this last one was just, we 21 couldn't deal with it. 22 Q. When you left your employment with 23 the Dubin family, did you have a job? 24 A. When we finally left, I stayed on 25 three months after my resignation, I had a Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1257-17 Filed 05/03/22 Page 12 of 12 Page 141 1 2 CERTIFICATE 3 4 5 I HEREBY CERTIFY that RINALDO 6 RIZZO, was duly sworn by me and that the 7 deposition is a true record of the testimony 8 given by the witness. 9 10 _______________________________ 11 Leslie Fagin, Registered Professional Reporter 12 Dated: June 10, 2016 13 14 15 (The foregoing certification of 16 this transcript does not apply to any 17 reproduction of the same by any means, unless 18 under the direct control and/or supervision 19 of the certifying reporter.) 20 21 22 23 24 25