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1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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12 TESTIMONY
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18 Federal Grand Jury 07-103
Federal Building
19 U.S. Courthouse
West Palm Beach, Florida
20 Tuesday, March 20, 2007
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22 APPEARANCES:
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Assistant United States Attorney
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HELENA JOSETTE JONES-PARSONS,
25 Foreperson
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1 The sworn testimony of SPECIAL AGENT
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3 Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, Federal
4 Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach County,
5 State of Florida, on Tuesday, March 20, 2007.
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7 Reporter and Notary Public, State of Florida,
8 Official Reporting Service, LLC, 524 South Andrews
9 Avenue, Suite 302N, Fort Lauderdale, Florida,
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1 (Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.)
2 THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear
3 that the testimony you give will be .the
4 truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
5 truth, so help you God?
6 THE WITNESS: I do.
7 THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be
8 seated.
9 EXAMINATION
10 BY MS.
11 Q Special Agent could you
12 please state and spell your name for the record?
13 A It's It's
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15 Q Now Special Agent last week
16 or the last time that we met, we discussed two
17 girls, correct?
18 A Yes.
19 Q Who visited Mr. Epstein's home?
20 A Yes.
21 Q And those were and
22 A Yes.
23 Q Did you obtain photographs of those
24 girls?
25 Yes, I did.
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1 Q And do you know approximately when those
2 photographs were taken?
3 A They were taken during the same time
4 period that we are investigating, '04 and '05.
5 There may have been a few in '03, but it was
6 within a year's time of six months within the
7 activity that we are investigating.
8 Q All right. Let me show you what has
9 been marked as Grand Jury Exhibits 1 and 2, and
10 can you tell us what Exhibit 1 is?
11 A Exhibit 1 is and it's a
12 photograph of her with her date of birth listed.
13 Q And what is Exhibit 2?
14 A A photograph of with her date
15 of birth as well on it.
16 MS. And I will just pass
17 those to the grand jury.
18 BY MS.
19 Q Now the last time that we were here, you
20 had described how Haley R. had brought
21 to Mr. Epstein's home?
22 A Yes.
23 Q Did Haley R. bring other girls to I I
24 Epstein house?
25 A Yes, she did.
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1 Q And is one of those girls
2 A Yes.
3 Q And what is the date of birth of
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5 A She was born June 6, 1987.
6 Q And where did go to high
7 school?
8 A Royal Palm Beach High School.
9 Q And is that the same school that
10 went to?
1 1 A Yes.
12 Q And was ever a student at that
13 school?
14 A Yes, she was.
15 Q Tell us a little bit about -- well,
16 first of all, did the Palm Beach Police Department
17 have a chance to interview
18 A Yes, they did.
19 Q And what about yourself?
20 A And I did as well.
21 Q Okay. Tell us, if you will, how
22 started going to Mr. Epstein's house?
23 A Haley was the one who brought to
24 Mr. Epstein's house. Haley told that she
25 may have to remove her clothing and that she could
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1 makes $200 if she performed a massage for Mr.
2 Epstein.
3 She also was told by that he may
4 try to touch you, but if you are uncomfortable,
5 just tell him no, and she also said that if
6 Epstein asked her age, she was to say she was 18.
7 Q Now that information that you just
8 relayed, who provided that information?
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10 Q And what did
11 A I'm sorry. provided in the
12 interview to me that information.
13 Q Did Haley also admit that she brought
14 Mr. Epstein's home?
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15 A Yes.
16 Q When did this first occur?
17 A This occurred in -- we believe the first
18 time period was when was 16.
19 Q And is there any telephone records that
20 show communications between and
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22 A Yes.
23 • And when are those phone records?
24 A Those phone records show up in March of
25 '04 when would be 16.
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1 Q Let me show what has been marked as
2 Grand Jury Exhibit Number 3, and what is Exhibit
3 3?
4 A This is a photograph of . with
5 her date of birth,
6 Q Now you mentioned that in March of 2004
7 and April of 2004, there are these records of
8 phone calls and did say how old she was
9 when she first went to Mr. Epstein's house?
10 A I'm sorry. Did say how old she
11 was?
12 Q Did she tell you or the police officers
13 how old she was?
14 A Yes. I'm sorry. I thought your
15 question was did she tell Mr. Epstein.
16 She told me that she was 16 when she
17 went to Mr. Epstein's house.
18 Q Okay. That is consistent with those
19 phones calls?
20 A Yes, it is.
21 Q Okay. Now during her first visit with
22 Mr. Epstein, what happened?
23 A She went to Mr. Epstein's house. MENEM
24 took her there. told her she didn't have
25 her driver's license at that time, which she told
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1 her she got her driver's license when she was 17.
2 So drove her to Mr. Epstein's
3 house. She provided Mr. Epstein with a few
4 massages. She remained clothed both times that
5 she gave him a massage. At this time, she kept
6 her clothes on.
7 I think one time she was wearing shorts
8 and a T-shirt, maybe the second time she was
9 wearing jeans and a T-shirt. That he constantly
10 grabbed and pulled at her during the massage
11 trying to draw her closer to him, but at that
12 time, you know, there was no sexual activity other
13 than the grabbing and pulling.
14 There was no sexual activity that took
15 place on those first couple of massages, and she
16 remained clothed at that time.
17 Q Now after those first few massages, was
18 there a break in time before returns to
19 the Epstein house?
20 A told us that she and had
21 had some kind of a fight or a disagreement, a
22 breakup in their relationship, so there was a time
23 period where she did not go back to Mr. Epstein's
24 house.
25 Q And when -- did there then come a time
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1 when she returned to the Epstein house?
2 A Yes. We have phone activity between
3 beginning in December
4 of '04.
5 Q And how old was in December
6 of '04?
7 A She had turned 17 at that time. In
8 fact, through the course of the phone records
9 beginning in December of '04 to October of 2005,
10 we have over 150 phone calls between Z.
11 and , Mr. Epstein's assistant.
12 Q What did . tell you about the
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14 in late '04?
15 A When she started giving Mr. Epstein
16 massages after that break, the massages became
17 much more sexual in nature. Mr. Epstein continued
18 to push and there were many times when
19 would perform massages completely nude.
20 Several times, she would stay in her
21 underwear with no bra on, but stated to me that
22 many occasions she performed the massages to Mr.
23 Epstein in the nude.
24 Q In addition to being unclothed, was
25 there other sexual activity?
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1 A Yes, there was. during my
2 interview with she became very upset when
3 discussing the sexual activity that took place at
4 that time.
5 She stated that Mr. Epstein had
6 digitally penetrated her. It began first by
7 rubbing her on the outside of her vagina and then
8 on more than one occasion actually penetrating her
9 with his fingers.
10 He would request her to pinch his
11 nipples. He rubbed her breasts as well. She
12 stated that there was a vibrator that was used on
13 her vagina as well, did not penetrate her, but
14 that she described the vibrator as being a white
15 vibrator with a gray head, and several of the
16 other victims have said the same thing, described
17 it similar to that.
18 Q And just before I forget, when you
19 testified about . , did . also report
20 having a vibrator used on her?
21 A Yes.
22 Q And, again, so the record is clear, when
23 you are talking about these vibrators, they are
24 the large back massager type vibrator?
25 A We have had some girls just describe
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1 them as a vibrator. We have had some girls just
2 describe them as a back massager and then we also
3 had girls describe them as both, because of the
4 size of it, I think some girls are more aware of
5 what a vibrator would look like due to their ages.
6 You know, I don't know that everybody
7 knew exactly what a sexual vibrator looked like,
8 but they all vibrated, and we have actually had
9 that described, and described it as both,
10 a vibrator slash massager, saying that it was, you
11 know, large in nature.
12 Q Okay. Now in addition to using that
13 massager and digitally penetrating , was
14 there other sexual activity?
15 A Yes. Several times during the massages,
16 Mr. Epstein would have straddle him while
17 he laid on his stomach and then he would reach
18 between her legs and masturbate and
19 occasionally --
20 Q And this is when he was laying on his
21 back not his stomach?
22 A I'm sorry. Did I say that?
23 Q You said on his stomach.
24 A He is laying on his back. She's on top
25 of him straddled, and he is reaching between her
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1 masturbating, and he has attempted to put his
2 penis on her vagina, never penetrating her, but
3 that was what was described to us by
4 Q Now when was first interviewed
5 by the Palm Beach Police?
6 A She was interviewed October 6th of 2005.
7 Q And at that time, did she say when her
8 last visit was to Mr. Epstein's house?
9 A Yes, she said October 1st, 2005, was the
10 last massage that she had given Mr. Epstein.
11 Q Is there any other evidence that was
12 recovered from Mr. Epstein's or his household
13 items that would confirm that statement?
14 A We have a message pad. During the
15 search warrant, several of the message pads - I
16 don't know if we referred to them at this stage.
17 We may not have.
18 We recovered -- well, I shouldn't say
19 we, the Palm Beach Police Department recovered
20 several message pads. They were carbon copy
21 message pads.
22 So we have several of those books from
23 their search warrant and in there, there is a
24 message on October 1st confirming
25 appointment for the massage as well as another
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2 Q And is there also evidence that
3 and Kellen actually spoke on October 1st
4 before that message?
5 A We have cell phone calls between
6 Kellen and as well as the message which
was from to Jeffrey regarding -- confirming
8 the appointment for , but we have a cell
9 phone call I believe it was a little bit earlier
10 from to or maybe it was to
11 , but it is definitely between the two . of
12 them on that same day.
13 Q All right. When was interviewed
14 by the Palm Beach Police Department, did she
15 describe all of the sexual activity?
16 A No, she did not. She did not tell them
17 about the vibrator or the -- she didn't tell them
18 about the vibrator or the penetration.
19 Q And, again, you said that when you
20 brought up -- did you sort of confront her with
21 the idea that more had occurred?
22 A I did, and she was very embarrassed
23 about the vibrator. I asked her at one point if
24 Mr. Epstein had given her any gifts and she got
25 very red in the face and began to tear up and you
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1 could see that she was very embarrassed.
2 So we took a little bit of a break, but
3 then she was able to say that Mr. Epstein had
4 provided her as a birthday present a vibrator. So
5 not only was there a vibrator back massager used
6 on her, but at this time -- and I think that's
7 kind of what got talking about the sexual
8 activity that she was able to tell me that, and
9 she was very, very embarrassed, but that Mr.
10 Epstein had given her for her eighteenth birthday
11 a vibrator.
12 Q Now you mentioned that that happened on
13 her eighteenth birthday?
14 A Yes.
15 Q And was she able to tell you whether Mr.
16 Epstein knew it was her eighteenth birthday?
17 A She stated that Mr. Epstein provided to
18 her on her eighteenth birthday the vibrator and
19 shortly -- well --
20 Q So before you had said that Haley had
21 instructed to tell everyone that she was
22 18; do you remember that?
23 A Yes.
24 Q But at some point, the people in the
25 Epstein household learned that she hadn't turned
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1 18 yet and her birthday was coming up?
2 A Her birthday was coming up.
3 Q And at some point, was a car provided
4 for
5 A Yes. In October. of '05, was
6 having asked Mr. Epstein is she could
7 borrow one of his cars to go to Orlando and he
8 stated that -- at first he said yes, and then he
9 said he would get her a rental car.
10 So contacted a few days
11 later and said that a car had been rented for
12 and that the house manager used the
13 company credit card and picked up that
14 car, and actually when the police interviewed her
15 on October 6th, which was five or six days after
16 the last massage, they were able to see that that
17 Nissan Sentra that had been rented by Mr. Epstein,
18 had that in her possession for at least
19 through January 1st of 2006 and that car was
20 rented by Mr. Epstein for at least that amount of
21 time.
22 Q Did describe how the massage
23 appointments would be made?
24 A Yes, she did.
25 Q And how was that?
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1 A She stated that Kellen, that
2 , Jeffrey's assistant, would call her and set
3 up appointments, and that sometimes she would call
4 her on her cell phone from New York, from the
5 Islands, and say that they were coming into town,
6 was she available.
7 She would also call while they
8 were in town to see if she was available for
9 massages, to give massages to Mr. Epstein, and
10 stated that Nadia, who we have identified as Nadia
11 Marcinkova, called her a few times as well to set
12 appointments up.
13 Q And when those appointments were made
14 how would reach
15 A By phone.
16 Q All right. And whether she was in town
17 or out of town, she would call cell
18 phone?
19 A Yes.
20 Q All right. Now was there any -- during
21 the interview with the police department, did the
22 police department ask about what she
23 discussed with Jeffrey Epstein during the
24 massages?
25 A I would have to check the police reports
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2 Q All right.
3 A My answer to your question is yes.
4 Q Okay. And what did she say were some of
5 the topics of discussion?
6 A Mr. Epstein asked her questions about
7 herself, asked her if she was a soccer player or
8 that -- Jeffrey knew that she was a soccer player
9 and asked questions about her college, about where
10 she was going to school.
11 is currently going to
12 , and she had advised Mr. Epstein that
13 she would be attending college at
14 Q So that was a -- but that was her future
15 plan?
16 A Yes.
17 Q So in other words, did Mr. Epstein know
18 that she was in high school at the time?
19 A Yes, he did. And the Palm Beach Police
20 asked if Jeffrey knew her age and
21 told the Palm Beach Police Department, he didn' t
22 care what my age was.
23 Q Now did describe either to you
24 or to the police department how she would be paid
25 for these massages?
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1 A She stated she was paid $200 and that
2 she received anywhere from two to $300.
3 Q With every visit?
4 A With each visit.
5 Q Okay. Did she say who would provide her
6 with that money?
7 A She said that Jeffrey paid her at the
8 end of the massage.
9 Q All right. You mentioned the gift of
10 the vibrator. Were there other gifts that were
11 given to
12 A Yes. The time period is unclear, but
13 the vibrator was given to her for her eighteenth
14 birthday. There were three sets of bra and
15 underwear, panties, Victoria Secret bra and
16 underwear sets that were also given to as
17 gifts from Mr. Epstein.
18 Q Now I know that we talked earlier about
19 the fact that Haley is the person who brought
20 to Mr. Epstein's house. Did ever
21 bring anyone to Mr. Epstein's house?
22 A brought a female by the name of
23 M. and that was a friend of
24 Q And let me show you what has been marked
25 as Grand Jury Exhibit 4, and what is Grand Jury
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1 Exhibit 4?
2 A It's a photograph of M. with a
3 date of birth of 6-1-1986.
4 Q How old was M. when took
5 her to Mr. Epstein's house?
6 A took her there in the spring of
7 2005 and was 18 at that time.
8 Q Now can you tell us now went
9 about bringing to the house?
10 A told that she could make
11 some money giving a massage to Mr. Epstein and
17. and went to Mr. Epstein's house
13 together.
14 The first time that went there,
15 she did not go upstairs and give him a massage.
16 was working that day. But in talking to
17 further, stated that she probably
18 over the period of time between the spring of '05
19 and October of '05, performed around five to ten
20 massages for Mr. Epstein.
21 The first few of those he did not do
22 anything as far as no masturbating, no sexual
23 activity. She would just perform a massage.
24 Q And did that change over time?
25 A Yes, it did. She stated that she
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1 performed two to three massages out of those five
2 or ten and in her underwear and bra only, and
3 that he would push her each time.
4 He would just push her to do more and on
S the third -- I believe she stated the third or
6 fourth massage, he told her that she could make
7 more money if she removed her clothing, because
8 she stayed clothed during the first few massages,
9 and she was paid $200 for each of those massages.
10 On the third or fourth massage, Mr.
11 Epstein said that she could make more money if she
12 removed her clothing. So around the fourth or
13 fifth time, she did start taking off her clothing
14 down to her underwear and bra only.
15 Q And then what happened when she was at
16 that point of being unclothed?
17 A She would perform the massage. He
18 attempted to touch her, but she always would say
19 no. At one point, her bra does get undone by Mr.
20 Epstein, but she does keep it up.
21 Q Now that was the extent of his touching
22 At some point, did he begin masturbating
23 in front of her?
24 A Yes, he did. Not in the very beginning,
25 but throughout this he did. Now I should tell you
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1 that stated to us that because she was kind
2 of reserved or held back as he made advances
3 towards her, she was able to see Mr. Epstein's
4 penis and that he was masturbating, but that he
5 never finished, that he never ejaculated. She did
6 not feel that Mr. Epstein liked her very much.
7 Q But just to sort of compare what
8 said with what said, they both said that
9 at the beginning they remained clothed?
10 A Yes.
1 1 Q And that Mr. Epstein progressively
12 pushed and pushed and pushed for more sexual
13 activity?
14 A Yes.
15 Q Now what was the period of time that
16 went to Mr. Epstein's home?
17 A March of I'm sorry, spring of '05 is
18 when said that she went there and around,
19 you know, the investigation is heating up with
20 Palm Beach, so we know that in September of '05,
21 there was a trash pull done, and in that trash
22 pull there was a message and that was found and it
23 stated -- it had phone number on it and
24 it stated, for a good time call and
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1 Q And whose stationery was that?
2 A It was on Jeffrey Epstein's stationery.
3 Q And had Jeffrey Epstein been in a Palm
4 Beach resident close to those dates?
5 A Yes.
6 Q Now is there evidence of telephone calls
7 between and Kellen?
8 A Yes.
9 Q And how many phone calls have you been
10 able to identify?
11 A At this time, there have been 14 phone
12 calls.
13 Q All right. And just to compare that to
14 the number of phone calls with
15 A With , there was over 150 phone
16 calls between and Kellen.
17 Q And that is sort of consistent with the
18 number of massages that did versus the
19 number of massages that did?
20 A It is consistent with especially the
21 activity that was providing Mr. Epstein
22 compared to the activity that would
23 provide.
24 (Thereupon, knocking is heard at the
25 Grand Jury door.)
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1 MS. Let me just step out for
2 one moment.
3 (Ms. exits the Grand Jury
4 Room.)
5 (Ms. enters the Grand Jury
6 Room.)
7 MS. Ladies and gentlemen, I
8 am going to have to take a break now and we
9 will be back either next week or the
10 following week. Thank you very much. You
11 are done for the day.
12 (Witness was excused.)
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18 Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the
19 transcript is a true and correct transcription of
20 my stenotype notes of the testimony of
21 SPECIAL AGENT I. , taken before
22 the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida.
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ORIGINAL
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12 TESTIMONY
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18 Federal Grand Jury 07-103
Federal Building
19 U.S. Courthouse
West Palm Beach, Florida
20 Tuesday, March 20, 2007
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22 APPEARANCES:
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Assistant United States Attorney
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HELENA JOSETTE JONES-PARSONS,
25 Foreperson
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1 The sworn testimony of SPECIAL AGENT
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3 Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, Federal
4 Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach County,
5 State of Florida, on Tuesday, March 20, 2007.
6 Certified Court
7 Reporter and Notary Public, State of Florida,
8 Official Reporting Service, LLC, 524 South Andrews
9 Avenue, Suite 302N, Fort Lauderdale, Florida,
10 33301 , was authorized to and did report the sworn
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1 (Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.)
2 THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear
3 that the testimony you give will be .the
4 truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
5 truth, so help you God?
6 THE WITNESS: I do.
7 THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be
8 seated.
9 EXAMINATION
10 BY MS.
11 Q Special Agent could you
12 please state and spell your name for the record?
13 A It's It's
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15 Q Now Special Agent last week
16 or the last time that we met, we discussed two
17 girls, correct?
18 A Yes.
19 Q Who visited Mr. Epstein's home?
20 A Yes.
21 Q And those were and
22 A Yes.
23 Q Did you obtain photographs of those
24 girls?
25 Yes, I did.
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1 Q And do you know approximately when those
2 photographs were taken?
3 A They were taken during the same time
4 period that we are investigating, '04 and '05.
5 There may have been a few in '03, but it was
6 within a year's time of six months within the
7 activity that we are investigating.
8 Q All right. Let me show you what has
9 been marked as Grand Jury Exhibits 1 and 2, and
10 can you tell us what Exhibit 1 is?
11 A Exhibit 1 is and it's a
12 photograph of her with her date of birth listed.
13 Q And what is Exhibit 2?
14 A A photograph of with her date
15 of birth as well on it.
16 MS. And I will just pass
17 those to the grand jury.
18 BY MS.
19 Q Now the last time that we were here, you
20 had described how Haley R. had brought
21 to Mr. Epstein's home?
22 A Yes.
23 Q Did Haley R. bring other girls to I I
24 Epstein house?
25 A Yes, she did.
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1 Q And is one of those girls
2 A Yes.
3 Q And what is the date of birth of
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5 A She was born June 6, 1987.
6 Q And where did go to high
7 school?
8 A Royal Palm Beach High School.
9 Q And is that the same school that
10 went to?
1 1 A Yes.
12 Q And was ever a student at that
13 school?
14 A Yes, she was.
15 Q Tell us a little bit about -- well,
16 first of all, did the Palm Beach Police Department
17 have a chance to interview
18 A Yes, they did.
19 Q And what about yourself?
20 A And I did as well.
21 Q Okay. Tell us, if you will, how
22 started going to Mr. Epstein's house?
23 A Haley was the one who brought to
24 Mr. Epstein's house. Haley told that she
25 may have to remove her clothing and that she could
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1 makes $200 if she performed a massage for Mr.
2 Epstein.
3 She also was told by that he may
4 try to touch you, but if you are uncomfortable,
5 just tell him no, and she also said that if
6 Epstein asked her age, she was to say she was 18.
7 Q Now that information that you just
8 relayed, who provided that information?
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10 Q And what did
11 A I'm sorry. provided in the
12 interview to me that information.
13 Q Did Haley also admit that she brought
14 Mr. Epstein's home?
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15 A Yes.
16 Q When did this first occur?
17 A This occurred in -- we believe the first
18 time period was when was 16.
19 Q And is there any telephone records that
20 show communications between and
21
22 A Yes.
23 • And when are those phone records?
24 A Those phone records show up in March of
25 '04 when would be 16.
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1 Q Let me show what has been marked as
2 Grand Jury Exhibit Number 3, and what is Exhibit
3 3?
4 A This is a photograph of . with
5 her date of birth,
6 Q Now you mentioned that in March of 2004
7 and April of 2004, there are these records of
8 phone calls and did say how old she was
9 when she first went to Mr. Epstein's house?
10 A I'm sorry. Did say how old she
11 was?
12 Q Did she tell you or the police officers
13 how old she was?
14 A Yes. I'm sorry. I thought your
15 question was did she tell Mr. Epstein.
16 She told me that she was 16 when she
17 went to Mr. Epstein's house.
18 Q Okay. That is consistent with those
19 phones calls?
20 A Yes, it is.
21 Q Okay. Now during her first visit with
22 Mr. Epstein, what happened?
23 A She went to Mr. Epstein's house. MENEM
24 took her there. told her she didn't have
25 her driver's license at that time, which she told
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1 her she got her driver's license when she was 17.
2 So drove her to Mr. Epstein's
3 house. She provided Mr. Epstein with a few
4 massages. She remained clothed both times that
5 she gave him a massage. At this time, she kept
6 her clothes on.
7 I think one time she was wearing shorts
8 and a T-shirt, maybe the second time she was
9 wearing jeans and a T-shirt. That he constantly
10 grabbed and pulled at her during the massage
11 trying to draw her closer to him, but at that
12 time, you know, there was no sexual activity other
13 than the grabbing and pulling.
14 There was no sexual activity that took
15 place on those first couple of massages, and she
16 remained clothed at that time.
17 Q Now after those first few massages, was
18 there a break in time before returns to
19 the Epstein house?
20 A told us that she and had
21 had some kind of a fight or a disagreement, a
22 breakup in their relationship, so there was a time
23 period where she did not go back to Mr. Epstein's
24 house.
25 Q And when -- did there then come a time
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1 when she returned to the Epstein house?
2 A Yes. We have phone activity between
3 beginning in December
4 of '04.
5 Q And how old was in December
6 of '04?
7 A She had turned 17 at that time. In
8 fact, through the course of the phone records
9 beginning in December of '04 to October of 2005,
10 we have over 150 phone calls between Z.
11 and , Mr. Epstein's assistant.
12 Q What did . tell you about the
13
14 in late '04?
15 A When she started giving Mr. Epstein
16 massages after that break, the massages became
17 much more sexual in nature. Mr. Epstein continued
18 to push and there were many times when
19 would perform massages completely nude.
20 Several times, she would stay in her
21 underwear with no bra on, but stated to me that
22 many occasions she performed the massages to Mr.
23 Epstein in the nude.
24 Q In addition to being unclothed, was
25 there other sexual activity?
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1 A Yes, there was. during my
2 interview with she became very upset when
3 discussing the sexual activity that took place at
4 that time.
5 She stated that Mr. Epstein had
6 digitally penetrated her. It began first by
7 rubbing her on the outside of her vagina and then
8 on more than one occasion actually penetrating her
9 with his fingers.
10 He would request her to pinch his
11 nipples. He rubbed her breasts as well. She
12 stated that there was a vibrator that was used on
13 her vagina as well, did not penetrate her, but
14 that she described the vibrator as being a white
15 vibrator with a gray head, and several of the
16 other victims have said the same thing, described
17 it similar to that.
18 Q And just before I forget, when you
19 testified about . , did . also report
20 having a vibrator used on her?
21 A Yes.
22 Q And, again, so the record is clear, when
23 you are talking about these vibrators, they are
24 the large back massager type vibrator?
25 A We have had some girls just describe
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1 them as a vibrator. We have had some girls just
2 describe them as a back massager and then we also
3 had girls describe them as both, because of the
4 size of it, I think some girls are more aware of
5 what a vibrator would look like due to their ages.
6 You know, I don't know that everybody
7 knew exactly what a sexual vibrator looked like,
8 but they all vibrated, and we have actually had
9 that described, and described it as both,
10 a vibrator slash massager, saying that it was, you
11 know, large in nature.
12 Q Okay. Now in addition to using that
13 massager and digitally penetrating , was
14 there other sexual activity?
15 A Yes. Several times during the massages,
16 Mr. Epstein would have straddle him while
17 he laid on his stomach and then he would reach
18 between her legs and masturbate and
19 occasionally --
20 Q And this is when he was laying on his
21 back not his stomach?
22 A I'm sorry. Did I say that?
23 Q You said on his stomach.
24 A He is laying on his back. She's on top
25 of him straddled, and he is reaching between her
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1 masturbating, and he has attempted to put his
2 penis on her vagina, never penetrating her, but
3 that was what was described to us by
4 Q Now when was first interviewed
5 by the Palm Beach Police?
6 A She was interviewed October 6th of 2005.
7 Q And at that time, did she say when her
8 last visit was to Mr. Epstein's house?
9 A Yes, she said October 1st, 2005, was the
10 last massage that she had given Mr. Epstein.
11 Q Is there any other evidence that was
12 recovered from Mr. Epstein's or his household
13 items that would confirm that statement?
14 A We have a message pad. During the
15 search warrant, several of the message pads - I
16 don't know if we referred to them at this stage.
17 We may not have.
18 We recovered -- well, I shouldn't say
19 we, the Palm Beach Police Department recovered
20 several message pads. They were carbon copy
21 message pads.
22 So we have several of those books from
23 their search warrant and in there, there is a
24 message on October 1st confirming
25 appointment for the massage as well as another
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2 Q And is there also evidence that
3 and Kellen actually spoke on October 1st
4 before that message?
5 A We have cell phone calls between
6 Kellen and as well as the message which
was from to Jeffrey regarding -- confirming
8 the appointment for , but we have a cell
9 phone call I believe it was a little bit earlier
10 from to or maybe it was to
11 , but it is definitely between the two . of
12 them on that same day.
13 Q All right. When was interviewed
14 by the Palm Beach Police Department, did she
15 describe all of the sexual activity?
16 A No, she did not. She did not tell them
17 about the vibrator or the -- she didn't tell them
18 about the vibrator or the penetration.
19 Q And, again, you said that when you
20 brought up -- did you sort of confront her with
21 the idea that more had occurred?
22 A I did, and she was very embarrassed
23 about the vibrator. I asked her at one point if
24 Mr. Epstein had given her any gifts and she got
25 very red in the face and began to tear up and you
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1 could see that she was very embarrassed.
2 So we took a little bit of a break, but
3 then she was able to say that Mr. Epstein had
4 provided her as a birthday present a vibrator. So
5 not only was there a vibrator back massager used
6 on her, but at this time -- and I think that's
7 kind of what got talking about the sexual
8 activity that she was able to tell me that, and
9 she was very, very embarrassed, but that Mr.
10 Epstein had given her for her eighteenth birthday
11 a vibrator.
12 Q Now you mentioned that that happened on
13 her eighteenth birthday?
14 A Yes.
15 Q And was she able to tell you whether Mr.
16 Epstein knew it was her eighteenth birthday?
17 A She stated that Mr. Epstein provided to
18 her on her eighteenth birthday the vibrator and
19 shortly -- well --
20 Q So before you had said that Haley had
21 instructed to tell everyone that she was
22 18; do you remember that?
23 A Yes.
24 Q But at some point, the people in the
25 Epstein household learned that she hadn't turned
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1 18 yet and her birthday was coming up?
2 A Her birthday was coming up.
3 Q And at some point, was a car provided
4 for
5 A Yes. In October. of '05, was
6 having asked Mr. Epstein is she could
7 borrow one of his cars to go to Orlando and he
8 stated that -- at first he said yes, and then he
9 said he would get her a rental car.
10 So contacted a few days
11 later and said that a car had been rented for
12 and that the house manager used the
13 company credit card and picked up that
14 car, and actually when the police interviewed her
15 on October 6th, which was five or six days after
16 the last massage, they were able to see that that
17 Nissan Sentra that had been rented by Mr. Epstein,
18 had that in her possession for at least
19 through January 1st of 2006 and that car was
20 rented by Mr. Epstein for at least that amount of
21 time.
22 Q Did describe how the massage
23 appointments would be made?
24 A Yes, she did.
25 Q And how was that?
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2 , Jeffrey's assistant, would call her and set
3 up appointments, and that sometimes she would call
4 her on her cell phone from New York, from the
5 Islands, and say that they were coming into town,
6 was she available.
7 She would also call while they
8 were in town to see if she was available for
9 massages, to give massages to Mr. Epstein, and
10 stated that Nadia, who we have identified as Nadia
11 Marcinkova, called her a few times as well to set
12 appointments up.
13 Q And when those appointments were made
14 how would reach
15 A By phone.
16 Q All right. And whether she was in town
17 or out of town, she would call cell
18 phone?
19 A Yes.
20 Q All right. Now was there any -- during
21 the interview with the police department, did the
22 police department ask about what she
23 discussed with Jeffrey Epstein during the
24 massages?
25 A I would have to check the police reports
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2 Q All right.
3 A My answer to your question is yes.
4 Q Okay. And what did she say were some of
5 the topics of discussion?
6 A Mr. Epstein asked her questions about
7 herself, asked her if she was a soccer player or
8 that -- Jeffrey knew that she was a soccer player
9 and asked questions about her college, about where
10 she was going to school.
11 is currently going to
12 , and she had advised Mr. Epstein that
13 she would be attending college at
14 Q So that was a -- but that was her future
15 plan?
16 A Yes.
17 Q So in other words, did Mr. Epstein know
18 that she was in high school at the time?
19 A Yes, he did. And the Palm Beach Police
20 asked if Jeffrey knew her age and
21 told the Palm Beach Police Department, he didn' t
22 care what my age was.
23 Q Now did describe either to you
24 or to the police department how she would be paid
25 for these massages?
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1 A She stated she was paid $200 and that
2 she received anywhere from two to $300.
3 Q With every visit?
4 A With each visit.
5 Q Okay. Did she say who would provide her
6 with that money?
7 A She said that Jeffrey paid her at the
8 end of the massage.
9 Q All right. You mentioned the gift of
10 the vibrator. Were there other gifts that were
11 given to
12 A Yes. The time period is unclear, but
13 the vibrator was given to her for her eighteenth
14 birthday. There were three sets of bra and
15 underwear, panties, Victoria Secret bra and
16 underwear sets that were also given to as
17 gifts from Mr. Epstein.
18 Q Now I know that we talked earlier about
19 the fact that Haley is the person who brought
20 to Mr. Epstein's house. Did ever
21 bring anyone to Mr. Epstein's house?
22 A brought a female by the name of
23 M. and that was a friend of
24 Q And let me show you what has been marked
25 as Grand Jury Exhibit 4, and what is Grand Jury
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1 Exhibit 4?
2 A It's a photograph of M. with a
3 date of birth of 6-1-1986.
4 Q How old was M. when took
5 her to Mr. Epstein's house?
6 A took her there in the spring of
7 2005 and was 18 at that time.
8 Q Now can you tell us now went
9 about bringing to the house?
10 A told that she could make
11 some money giving a massage to Mr. Epstein and
17. and went to Mr. Epstein's house
13 together.
14 The first time that went there,
15 she did not go upstairs and give him a massage.
16 was working that day. But in talking to
17 further, stated that she probably
18 over the period of time between the spring of '05
19 and October of '05, performed around five to ten
20 massages for Mr. Epstein.
21 The first few of those he did not do
22 anything as far as no masturbating, no sexual
23 activity. She would just perform a massage.
24 Q And did that change over time?
25 A Yes, it did. She stated that she
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1 performed two to three massages out of those five
2 or ten and in her underwear and bra only, and
3 that he would push her each time.
4 He would just push her to do more and on
S the third -- I believe she stated the third or
6 fourth massage, he told her that she could make
7 more money if she removed her clothing, because
8 she stayed clothed during the first few massages,
9 and she was paid $200 for each of those massages.
10 On the third or fourth massage, Mr.
11 Epstein said that she could make more money if she
12 removed her clothing. So around the fourth or
13 fifth time, she did start taking off her clothing
14 down to her underwear and bra only.
15 Q And then what happened when she was at
16 that point of being unclothed?
17 A She would perform the massage. He
18 attempted to touch her, but she always would say
19 no. At one point, her bra does get undone by Mr.
20 Epstein, but she does keep it up.
21 Q Now that was the extent of his touching
22 At some point, did he begin masturbating
23 in front of her?
24 A Yes, he did. Not in the very beginning,
25 but throughout this he did. Now I should tell you
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1 that stated to us that because she was kind
2 of reserved or held back as he made advances
3 towards her, she was able to see Mr. Epstein's
4 penis and that he was masturbating, but that he
5 never finished, that he never ejaculated. She did
6 not feel that Mr. Epstein liked her very much.
7 Q But just to sort of compare what
8 said with what said, they both said that
9 at the beginning they remained clothed?
10 A Yes.
1 1 Q And that Mr. Epstein progressively
12 pushed and pushed and pushed for more sexual
13 activity?
14 A Yes.
15 Q Now what was the period of time that
16 went to Mr. Epstein's home?
17 A March of I'm sorry, spring of '05 is
18 when said that she went there and around,
19 you know, the investigation is heating up with
20 Palm Beach, so we know that in September of '05,
21 there was a trash pull done, and in that trash
22 pull there was a message and that was found and it
23 stated -- it had phone number on it and
24 it stated, for a good time call and
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1 Q And whose stationery was that?
2 A It was on Jeffrey Epstein's stationery.
3 Q And had Jeffrey Epstein been in a Palm
4 Beach resident close to those dates?
5 A Yes.
6 Q Now is there evidence of telephone calls
7 between and Kellen?
8 A Yes.
9 Q And how many phone calls have you been
10 able to identify?
11 A At this time, there have been 14 phone
12 calls.
13 Q All right. And just to compare that to
14 the number of phone calls with
15 A With , there was over 150 phone
16 calls between and Kellen.
17 Q And that is sort of consistent with the
18 number of massages that did versus the
19 number of massages that did?
20 A It is consistent with especially the
21 activity that was providing Mr. Epstein
22 compared to the activity that would
23 provide.
24 (Thereupon, knocking is heard at the
25 Grand Jury door.)
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1 MS. Let me just step out for
2 one moment.
3 (Ms. exits the Grand Jury
4 Room.)
5 (Ms. enters the Grand Jury
6 Room.)
7 MS. Ladies and gentlemen, I
8 am going to have to take a break now and we
9 will be back either next week or the
10 following week. Thank you very much. You
11 are done for the day.
12 (Witness was excused.)
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17 , Certified Court
18 Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the
19 transcript is a true and correct transcription of
20 my stenotype notes of the testimony of
21 SPECIAL AGENT I. , taken before
22 the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida.
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