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From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 12:01 PM To: Subject: Re: I already enjoyed it . i will just catch=up to it. why does living things pose such an undecipherable s=stem. ? I suggest an error=correction system. is an expensive add on. the vast majority of thin=s going on in your body is unknown and like dynamic guard rails.40=A0 . think of it like flippers on a pin ball machine.4>=A0 emotions tilt the machine, overwhelming the rate of b=lls and making the flippers useless. . meditation =ilts the table more towards the horizontal. . . when you reachrout your hand to pick up a glass the concious makes error corrections410=A0 , it does not really decide to pick it up. it would be nice=if the hard problem was easy :) On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 7:58 PM,=Seth Lloyd camailto: > > wrote: Sure: let's talk tomorrow. Any ti=e in the afternoon. (Or, we could talk yesterday!) </=iv> Seth On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 5:33 PM, jeffrey E. «= href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">jeevacation@gmail=com> wrote: tomorw? lets assume that like a weak signal you can go=back but only for 1 second before the signal fades. ?4)=A0 an error correction. =div class="gmail_quote">On Eh, Oct 21, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Seth Lloyd < <mailto: > wrote: Dear Jeffrey, My apologies for not responding s=oner: I was off email for the last few days. Of course thoughts are constructed from neural signals that move much sl=wer than light but let's just take the suggestion that they =ove faster than light seriously. A couple of things would hap=en. First of all, since going faster than light translates into =he ability to send signals backwards in time, this has implicati=ns for game theory. If you know your opponents moves in advan=e -- and they know yours -- this restricts the set of strategies=to non-cheating, non-deceptive strategies. I believe EFTA_R1_01543113 EFTA02446549  that in such games one should be able to show that Nash equilibria are a=l optimal: unlike in prisoner's dilemma, there is no incentive for cheating. This is sort of the opposite of what you are=suggesting. There is a sense in which thought pro=esses are taking place in an extended setting simultaneously thr=ughout the brain, so that faster than/slower than light is not so meaningf=l. In this setting, as you and Martin suggest, ther= is probably some pretty strong evolutionary advantage for consciousness</=iv> or sense of self reference. Indeed, just to ask the sort of=question, If he does this, I'll do that, but if he does this=other thing, Ill do something else, requires a sense of self referenc=: one is modeling what one oneself will do in the future. =This does indeed allow for extended cycles of deception and inte=t, which I think we agree are very important at least for human behavior.<=div> I'd enjoy talking further so give a call any t=me you like. Yours, Seth =/div> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:12 AM, jeffrey E. &=t;jeevacation@g=ail.com <mailto:[email protected]» wrote: if you have a moment i have a quick question. -=C* assume for the moment that living things unlike physical=things. have a component that travels faster than light.=C2*. thoughts? or call it x . it wo=Id explain the inability of detection by conventional means. =C* martin and i are working on game theory of self aw=reness. the evolutionary benefit of what some call consiousnes=. the conjecture is that is no more than a dynamic=error correction system. slow. easily overwhelmed and able to =o simple tasks. if the mathematics of biology and =hysics were symmetrical, physics woudl live in the slowe= than light, and biology in the faster. . =C2* deception and intent in bi000gy , none of it in physics. . =C* please note The information contained in this co=munication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may c=nstitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the ad=ressee. 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