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1 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: WITNESS: DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OTHER APPEARANCES: NONE OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AUGUST 5, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Phone: 3 4 1 MR. : The recorder is on. My 1 2 3 4 5 name is , and I am a senior special agent with the U.S. Department of 2 3 ir MR. Justice, Office of the Inspector General. New 4 credentials. York Field Office. And these are my 5 MS. : This is DIU/OIG Special Agent Okay. And these are my 6 credentials. 6 MR. And can you identify 7 MS. : Okay. 7 yourself? 8 MR. : This interview with 8 MR. IIIIII: Could you -? 9 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, e? 9 IIIIIIS. : My name is IIII 10 MS. 10 11 MR. 11 MR. And what is your 12 MS. Yeah. 12 position? 13 MR. : Is being conducted as 13 MS. am a general maintenance. 14 part of an official U.S. Department of Justice, 14 MR. • Here at the MCC. 15 Office of the Inspector General, DOJ/OIG 15 Correct? 16 investigation. Today's date is August 5, 2021, 16 MS. Yeah. MCC. 17 and the time is 12:59 p.m. This interview is 17 MR. Perfect. Thank you. And 18 being conducted at the Metropolitan 18 this is an official DOJ/OIG investigation into 19 Correctional Center, or MCC, located in New 19 the death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the 20 York, New York. Also resent is DOJ/OIC 20 surrounding circumstances, and you are being 21 Special Agent . This interview 21 asked to voluntarily provide answers to our 22 will be recorded by me, SSA 22 questions. Will you agree to a voluntary 23 Could everyone please identify themselves for 23 interview with the DOJ/OIG? 24 the record, and spell your last name? To start, 24 MS. : Yes. 25 again, I am DOJ/OIG Senior Special Agent, 25 MR. Awesome. So, we're just EFTA00111421  S 6 1 going to read this form. It's just in regards 1 have been made to me, and no pressure or 2 to voluntary interviews. Everybody that, you 2 coercion of any kind has been used against me." 3 know, gets these. United States Department of 3 So, you can take a second, if you want, to 4 Justice, Office of the Inspector General, 4 review it. I did just read it verbatim, but -- 5 Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested 5 MS. : That's okay. 6 to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. 6 MR. : -- it says employee 7 "You are being asked to provide information as 7 signature there, if you agree, and then, 8 part of an investigation being conducted by the 8 employee's name, and just print right down 9 Office of the Inspector General. This 9 there. 10 investigation is being conducted pursuant to 10 MS. : Okay. 11 the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. 11 MR. : And then, we can fill out 12 This investigation pertains to job performance 12 the rest of the form. 13 failure and security failure. This is a 13 MS. IIII: Do you have a pen? 14 voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not 14 (Indiscernible *00:02:51) opposite. 15 have to answer questions. No disciplinary 15 MR. : Thaniiiiiiver much for 16 action will be taken against you if you choose 16 signing. This is, again, and 17 not to answer questions. Any statements you 17 I am signing as the signature of the Office of 18 furnish may be used as evidence in any future 18 the Inspector General, Special Agent. Now I'm 19 criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary 19 printing my name. I'm writing in the time as 20 proceedings, or both." And the waiver section 20 1:00 p.m. And it is again -- 21 says, "I understand the Warnings and Assurances 21 MR...ugust 5th. 22 stated above and I am willing to make a 22 MR. :.521, At MCC, New 23 statement and answer questions. 23 York. Special Agent , could you 24 MS. : Okay. 24 please sin as -- 25 MR. No promises or threats 25 MR. : Yes. 7 8 1 MR. -- as the witness, and 1 MR. What is your current home 2 print your name, please. 2 address? 3 MR. : This is . I'm 3 MS. 4 signing aiiiiiiiiiiitness. 4 MR. 5 MR. : Did you understand that 5 MS. 6 form? 6 MR. And 7 MS. : Yeah. 7 what is your data th? 8 MR. : Do you understand 8 MS. 9 everythin is voluntary? 9 MR. And your social security 10 MS. : Yeah, yeah, yeah. 10 number. 11 MR. : You could stop at any 11 MS. 12 time? 12 MR. And what is your current 13 MS. : Yeah. 13 cell phone 14 MR. : You don't have to answer 14 MS. 15 our questions. Before stariiiii'd like to 15 MR. And what is your highest 16 place you under oath. Ms. , can you 16 level of education? 17 please raise your right hand? Do you swear to 17 MS. : I have my bachelor's degree. 18 tell the truth and nothing but the truth during 18 MR. And where do you have 19 this interview? 19 that from? 20 MS. : Yes. 20 MS. Criminal law. 21 MR. : Thank you. Please let me 21 MR. What college? 22 know if you don't understand any of my 22 MS. 23 questions, and I'll rephrase or ask in a 23 MR. 24 different_t2i. 24 MS. : Yeah. 25 MS. IIII: Okay. 25 MR. And criminal law? And EFTA00111422  9 10 1 where is located? 1 2008 is when you think you finished? 2 MS. 2 MS. : Yes. 3 MR. 3 MR. : What did you do prior to 4 MS. 4 working for the BOP? 5 MR. 5 MS. : What do you mean? Like -? 6 MS. B yeah. 6 MR. Did you have an 7 MR. • Okay. Cool. When did 7 employment rior to working for the BOP? 8 you receive that bachelor's de 7 8 MS. : Oh, no. 9 MS. : I started here So, ■ 9 MR. Okay. So, this was, 10 10 like, your first job? 11 MR. 11 IIII: Oh. Well, I was working at 12 MS. 12 cosmetics and stuff, like, with makeup 13 MR. 13 artists and stuff -- 14 MS. Yeah. 14 MR. • Okay. 15 IR. : So, you think you finished in 15 MS. -- and then, after that, this 16 16 is my firiiiiiiiiliob. Yeah. 17 MS. IIII: Matter of fact, 17 MR. : Okay. Do you have any 18 Yeah. One of those two. 18 military service? 19 MR. : Sorry. I'm going to turn 19 MS. : No. 20 that down because I don't think that's going to 20 MR. How long have you served 21 pick - hear what you're saying - up. 21 with the Federal Bureau of Prisons? 22 MS. : Okay. 22 MS. years. 23 MR. • Great. And -- 23 MR. • How many? 24 MS. Yeah. 24 MS. mmiut, like, how long I've been 25 MR. -- what did you -. So, 25 working here? Illyears. 11 12 1 MR. 13. 1 MR. So, basically -- 2 MS. Mm-hmm. 2 MS. A little bit of everything. 3 MR. • And do you remember your 3 MR. -- almost as the 4 enter on duty date? 4 description. 5 MS. Yes. 1.11M ay. 5 MS. Yeah. My boss is calling me. 6 MR. o you 6 MR. You know, by the title, 7 remember when you graduated from BOP training? 7 general maintenance, any general maintenance of 8 Like, the ear? 8 the MCC? 9 MS. : I know it was in March because 9 MS. IIII: Oh, I'm sorry. Say the 10 And that's 10 question ijair 11 all I can remember. 11 MR. : So, the maintenance of 12 MR. • Woulliiiillave be 12 the MCC? 13 MS. And that's yeah, 13 MS. : Yes. 14 MR. • Okay. So, about March 14 MR. • Okay. Great. And are 15 15 you familiar with Jeffrey Epstein? 16 MS. Yeah. 16 MS. ain't recall. 17 MR. And what is your - again 17 MR. : Yes. Do you know if he 18 - your current position with the BOP? 18 was housed at the MCC in July and August of 19 MS. : I'm a general maintenance. 19 2019? 20 MR. : And what does that 20 MS. : If he was here? 21 entail? 21 MR. • Yes. 22 MS. IIII: General maintenance, we work, 22 MS. Yes. July and August. Yes. 23 some of us, we do floors, walls, doors, 23 MR. • Okay. And what was your 24 maintenance plumbing, painting, you name it. 24 position at the MCC in July and August of 2019? 25 Even electrical. 25 MS. IIII: The same position. EFTA00111423  13 14 1 (Indiscernible *00:06:37 -- 1 five? 2 MR. The same position. 2 MS. : Yes. Eight. Step five. 3 MS. -- yes. 3 MR. : Okay. Did you have any 4 MR. • Okay. So, how long have 4 interactions or involvement with Epstein during 5 you been in that position? 5 his stay at the MCC? 6 MS. IIII: I've been in this position - 6 MS. : No sir. 7 021 - I got promoted to that in 7 MR. : No. Did you even see 8 I don't remember the date. It's 8 him? 9 9 MS. IIII: I did see him. But, you know, 10 MR. Okay. So -- 10 not see him close by, but probably if I did a 11 MS. Yes. 11 job in Nine other than that, no. 12 MR. -- right before then? 12 MR. IIIIIIIIII: Okay. So, you didn't, 13 MS. Yes. 13 like, speak with him -- 14 MR. What was your position 14 MS. : No. 15 before that? 15 MR. -- or say hello or 16 MS. : I was a facility assistant. 16 anything? So, when you say you saw him, where 17 MR. Okay. 17 would you have seen him at? Sorry. 18 MS. : Working for the facility 18 MS. IIII: On Nine South. That's the only 19 department. 19 place -- 20 MR. Okay. So, this was a 20 MR. Oh, Nine South. 21 promotion. What is your grade level? 21 MS. -- yeah. 22 MS. : Now? 22 MR. I'm sorry. I wasn't sure 23 MR. • Mm-hmm. 23 what you said. 24 MS. WS-8/S. 24 MS. : Oh. 25 MR. Okay. So, eight, step 25 MR. : So, in the SHU? 15 16 1 MS. 1 And during that time, do you remember what your 2 MR. : Okay. Do you know if you 2 duties and responsibilities would have been, if 3 worked at the MCC on August 9th and 10th of 3 you were -? Were you acting for anyone, or were 4 2019? 4 you doing -? 5 MS. If he worked? 5 MS. IIII: I don't reca was acting 6 MR. If you worked at the MCC. 6 for anyone that day, for Mr. , my boss. 7 MS. ust 10th? 7 I don't remember if I did. I he was here 8 MR. August 9th. 8 then. No. 9 MS. I did not. 9 MR. : So, 10 MR. • So, the Friday before he 10 office assistance froma 11 was found in a cell. 11 Was he your supervisor? 12 MS. IIII: I don't recall if I worked that 12 MS. : Yes. He is. 13 Friday, but I know for sure, August 10th, that 13 MR. : And what was your 14 Saturday, I did not work. 14 position? What was his position? I'm sorry. 15 MR. : Okay. 15 MS. : He's the facility manager. 16 MS. : Those are my off days. 16 MR. : Facilitiesiiiiiir. 17 MR. : But would you have 17 Okay. And it was from him to a 18 typically worked on the Fridays? Monday through 18 MS. : Mm-hmm. 19 Friday? 19 MR. Is he someone who also 20 MS. IIII: Yes, I do. My schedule is 20 works under him? 21 Monday thiiiiiiiiiiay. 21 MS. : Yes. 22 MR. : Okay. So, do you believe 22 MR. And the only reason I'm 23 you probabl worked on that Friday? 23 sending you this because it was an out of 24 MS. : Yeah, I probably worked. 24 office automatic out of office assistant from 25 MR. : Okay. August 9th. Okay. 25 to saying, EFTA00111424  17 18 1 "I will be out of the office on Monday, August 1 for him? 2 5th through Friday, August 9th. I will have 2 MS. IIII: That was two years ago. I 3 limited phone and email access. Acting for me 3 don't reall 4 is Ms. 4 MR. : Oh, absolutely. 5 MS. • Mm-hmm. MS. -- remember that. I mean, you 6 MR. -- on Monday, 8/5, and 6 know, if I did, I would be, like, yes, I did, 7 Tuesday, 8/6, and she can be reached at -". 7 but I don't remember. 8 And then, it says a phone number. "And/or via 8 MR. : Sure. 9 radio track four. Wednesday through Friday, 9 MS. Almost receiving the emails, or 10 Mr. IIII (Phonetic Sp. *00:09:10) will 10 11 be acting, and he can be reached at -". It 11 MR. : And I don't expect you 12 says a phone number. "And/or track four, via 12 to. Here, ust so you know that -- 13 radio." So, it doesn't say that you were 13 MS. Thank you. 14 acting for him, but do you remember, at all, 14 MR. -- you could look at it 15 acting for him on that Monday and Tuesday of 15 just to make sure. Maybe that will help jog 16 8/S and 8 6 by chance? 16 memory. When you're an acting for Mr. 17 18 MS. MR. : No. : No? 17 iiiii , specifically back in August, what would 18 that mean? What was your duties and 19 MS. I don't remember anything like 19 responsibilities be for when you're acting for 20 that. 20 him? 21 MR. : And would you act 21 MS. IIII: So, it will be, like, any case 22 regularly for Mr. , back then? 22 of an emergency. Especially plumbing, that we 23 MS. Yes. 23 have, a lot of plumbing situation, the whole 24 MR. : Yes. Okay. And do you 24 entire building. Everybody calls for 25 have any reason to believe you were not acting 25 is not here. I'm the one that responds, 19 20 1 and I have my other foremans. I will do the 1 that being, I never had a situation with 2 work. They do the work. So, we'll work 2 cameras. 3 together. 3 MR. Okay. 4 MR. : Okay. 4 MS. : Since I've been, like, if I 5 MS. : Anything that happens. Like, 5 act. I don't know. I do recall that I never 6 an emergenc 6 had a situation -- 7 MR. • So, emergencies -- 7 MR. Okay. 8 MS. You know? 8 MS. with cameras. 9 MR. -- with regards to 9 MR. Soiniiiiiood. And when 10 facilities? 10 iot v •e acting for Mr. , would this 11 MS. : Yes. 11 report to you? 12 MR. Okay. 12 MS. Yes. He would -- 13 MS. It's a facility only. 13 MR. Okay. 14 MR. • Okay. 14 MS. -- report to me. 15 MS. 15 MR. And what was his 16 MR. Right. Okay. So, would 16 position? 17 the cameras - if there were problems with the 17 MS. IIII: His position is a Comtech. 18 cameras - would that fall under your purview, 18 It's a communication tech. 19 when you were acting as the facilities manager? 19 MR. : Okay. 20 MS. IIII: Well, if I was acting, there 20 MS. : So, he's - if there is any 21 was a problem, situation with cameras, yes. 21 problem with the phones, radios, or cameras 22 MR. : Okay. 22 he will report it. 23 MS. : But, of course, I would 23 MR. Okay. 24 definitely call my executive, then. You know, 24 MS. If there is anything problems. 25 and ask them to, whatever situation, but at 25 MR. So, he was responsible EFTA00111425  21 22 1 for the cameras at MCC? 1 MS. IIII: Well, he does fix the -. You 2 MS. IIII: Well, he works with the 2 know, he works with the cameras. So, I believe 3 cameras..,Anc 3 he will be, you know, responsible for - not 4 MR. : Okay. Are you aware that 4 responsible - he works with the cameras, so -. 5 the cameras were not working properly within 5 MR. : Yeah. Well, if he wasn't 6 MCC on Au ust 9th and 10th of 2019? 6 responsible who would be responsible? 7 MS. : No. 7 MS. : That would be -. 8 MR. : So, even at this point, 8 MR. : If they went down, who 9 you weren't aware of that? 9 would fix them? 10 MS. • No. No. I don't -. 10 MS. It would be 11 MR. • Have you heard in the 11 MR. : Okay. 12 news anythin about -- 12 MS. • But if there's something more 13 MS. No. 13 than that, then our manager will make an 14 MR. -- cameras being down? 14 executive decision where, if we need 15 MS. 15 contractiiiiiiiiiiihing, I'm not too sure. 16 MR. : Oh, you don't even know - 16 MR. : And who would be the 17 17 manager? 18 MS. 18 MS. Mr. 19 MR. -- that now? 19 MR. : Okay. So, if you're 20 MS. Not in the news. No. 20 acting for him, and you said that if something 21 MR. : Okay. 21 happened, you would report it up, who would be 22 MS. Telemundo? No. 22 that mana er? 23 MR. : Okay. But you said that 23 MS. IIII: Oh, who will be my AW, at that 24 would have been responsible for fixing 24 point. 25 the cameras if they did go down? 25 MR. : Okay. Would that be an 23 24 1 AW that you would -- 1 one. 2 MS. : Yes. 2 MR. I think • 3 MR. : -- report to? 3 just started like, that week. Maybe. 4 MS. : I would definitely. I will not 4 MS. IIII: She just started. Yeah. So, 5 make any decisions like that, big decisions, if 5 she wasn't our AW. 6 I would have a situation like that, I'm going 6 MR. So, she wouldn't have 7 to contaciiiiiiiiii. 7 been there. 8 MR. : Okay. So, the facilities 8 MS.,: So, the only person I got in 9 manager re orts directly to the AW? 9 mind is 10 MS. : Mm-hmm. 10 MR. Okay. 11 MR. And who would that be, at 11 MS. And that's it. 12 that time? In Au ust of 2019. Would it have 12 MR. Okay. Fair enough. So, 13 been 13 if a problem was to have occurred with the 14 MS. was between or -- 14 stem, you would have reported that to 15 MR. Is it -- 15 16 MS. -- what's the other one? 16 Yeah. 17 MR. -- it begins with all 17 Okay. But you're unaware 18 MS. 18 that there were any problems with the cameras 19 MR. 19 when you were, at all, in August of 2019? 20 MR. 20 MS. : Absolutely. 21 MS. : No. was with -. I don't 21 MR. : So, did electrician 22 think was with -. was with her. 22 technician, or a coms tech, 23 With us a coall of weeks ago. But before, I 23 ever inform you that the cameras were not 24 don't think • -. I think it's between 24 working properly, during that week of August 25 , and there was two. There was another 25 9th, 2019? EFTA00111426  25 26 1 MS. IIII: No. I did not have any 1 2 conversation with anyone about no cameras. No. 2 MS. He would report it to us. 3 MR. : So, and you're position 3 MR. : Would he report it to 4 he never brought -- 4 you, or he would go directly to the AW? 5 MS. : I'm positive. 5 MS. IIII: He would probably - yeah - he 6 MR. : -- that to your -. 6 will go to me and the AW. Like, he's a 7 You're positive. Okay. 7 communicator. He's like that. 8 MS. IIII: And if he did, you know, not to 8 MR. : So, if he's saying that 9 me. 9 there were problems with the cameras, and he 10 MR. : And so, if there were a 10 did report it up, but he didn't report it to 11 roblem, who would have he informed, if Mr. 11 you? 12 was out, and he didn't report it to him? 12 MS. IIII: No. That day, I don't - no - I 13 MS. IIII: The higher ups. The AWs. 13 don't remember an thing having -. 14 That's the next rank -- 14 MR. : Or the - yeah. I know 15 MR. : All right. 15 you were the 5th and 6th, and what I'm talking 16 MS. : -- that we would go to. 16 about was more, like, the 8th and 9th. 17 MR. : And do you think that he 17 MS. : Oh, well, so, no. 18 wouldn't have reported it to you? Would have he 18 MR. : But during, earlier that 19 one directly to something like Ms. 19 week, when you were acting, I'm just wondering, 20 20 that maybe he report it to you? And you're 21 MS. • If he what? 21 certain of that? 22 MR. : So, if there were a 22 MS. • I'm positive. 23 problem with the cameras -- 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MS. • Mm-hmm. 24 MS. • I've never dealt with any type 25 MR. -- and he reported it up 25 of problems. 27 28 MR. Do you know anything 1 cameras in the SHU, or just about all the 1 2 about Mr. 3 2019 -- r ing sent home on August 9th, 2 cameras in the SHU, were not recording, what 3 should have he done? 4 MS. : No. 4 MS. IIII: Well, I know for a fact, if 5 MR. : -- knowing that the 5 there was any type of deficiency or anything 6 cameras were not working properly? 6 with the cameras, he would definitely report 7 MS. : No. I don't. 7 that. I don't know. He would speak to the 8 MR. No. Do you know anything 8 manager in re ards to that. 9 about if was instructed on August 9th, 9 MR. : Okay. But again, you 10 2019 to -- 10 were never aware that any cameras weren't 11 MS. 11 working? 12 MR. • -- fix the cameras the 12 MS. : No. No. 13 following day, on August 10, 2019, when he 13 MR. I mean, should have he 14 reported to work? 14 fixed it on the spot? 15 MS. : No. 15 MS. IIII: I mean, I don't know if it was 16 MR. : So, you don't know 16 broken or not. So -- 17 anything about that? 17 MR. What -. 18 MS. : Hmm-mm. 18 MS. -- if I wasn't aware of that. 19 MR. : What is your thoughts, if 19 MR. No, no, no. I'm saying, 20 that was what was to have happened, if Mr. 20 if - no, the were - so, the cameras -- 21 knew - and if you were acting, at the 21 MS. : Okay. 22 point, and this is now theoretical -ifygu 22 MR. -- were broken. They 23 were the acting supervisor, and Mr. knew 23 were not recording. 24 that the cameras went down August 9th, half the 24 MS. : Okay. 25 cameras in the MCC, including all of the 25 MR. And was EFTA00111427  29 30 1 responsible for them. 1 MS. : Absolutely. 2 MS. : Ri ht. 2 MR. : -- is, again, you weren't 3 MR. : So, we're trying to 3 acting those days. What I'm asking you -- 4 figure out what course of action should have he 4 MS. : No. 5 taken? He should have reported it up. Should 5 MR. : -- is, as someone who has 6 have he fixed -? Should have he left the 6 acted in that position, what should have he 7 institution without fixing them? 7 done? So, he's already said he knew it. He 8 MS. : No. Of course not. 8 went home. 9 MR. : Okay. 9 MS. : I don't know if he said that. 10 MS. : But my thing is, I didn't know 10 MR. : No, no, no. I'm telling 11 that there was a camera situation. 11 you. 12 MR. : Absolutely. 12 MS. IIII: Oh, okay, okay. I'm, like, I 13 MS. So -- 13 don't know. 14 MR. : So, that's why we're 14 MR. : But he's saying that he 15 saying -- 15 did report it to a manager, and they said that 16 MS. IIII: -- if he had an issue, he 16 to leave and fix it the following day. 17 knows, you know, what to do. So, I can't 17 However, we haven't talked to any managers that 18 answer for him. 18 he's told. So, that's where I'm trying to 19 MR. : But you can answer as an 19 figure out -- 20 acting -- 20 MS. : Oh okay. 21 MS. : Absolutely. 21 MR. : -- who would have he 22 MR. : -- manager. That's what 22 reported that information to. Because he can't 23 I mean -- 23 remember what manager it was. 24 MS. : Yeah. 24 MS. IIII: Like, we only got two managers. 25 MR. : -- what I'm asking you -- 25 One manager and one supervisor. And that would 31 32 1 be Mr. (Phonetic Sp. *00:17:09) and Mr. 1 MR. Okay. And who had access 2 2 to the camera system? In August of 2019, 3 MR. 3 specificall August of that week. 4 MS. wasn't here. No, no, 4 MS. : I don't know. 5 no. I think - I don't think he was hired at 5 MR. Leading up to it. 6 that time. 6 MS. Not myself. 7 MR. • So, and that's it, and -- 7 MR. You didn't even have -. 8 MS. was -- 8 MS. : I do not have no access for no 9 MR. -- and that -- 9 camera. 10 MS. (Indiscernible *00:17:15). 10 MR. Do you know how someone 11 MR. . -- to put a wrench in the 11 would be able to take them offline? 12 works, one. And both yourself, and 12 MS. : I have no idea. 13 at the time, was acting for him that 13 MR. No? So, you're not even 14 week. 14 familiar -- 15 MS. 1.1m-hmm. 15 MS. 16 MR. : So, but he didn't speak 16 MR. -- even if there were an 17 to you? 17 issue? 18 MS. 18 MS. : At all. 19 MR. : And you definitely -- 19 MR. Okay. Do you know if 20 MS. I don't remember that. 20 anyone could have intentionally taken the 21 MR. -- didn't tell him -- 21 cameras offline? 22 MS. 22 MS. : No. 23 MR. -- come back the next 23 MR. No. Do you know if 24 day. 24 could have intentionally taken the 25 MS. IIII: No. 25 cameras offline? EFTA00111428  33 34 1 MS. : No. 1 MR. And do you know when that 2 MR. : So, you don't even know, 2 occurred? And the new camera system was put in? 3 is what you're saying? 3 MS. : Months ago. 4 MS. : No. 4 MR. So, this year, though? 5 MR. Do you have any reason to 5 MS. : I'm not too sure. 6 believe that anyone intentionally took the 6 MR. Okay. 7 cameras offline, or stopped them from recording 7 MS. : If they started last year or 8 on or around August 9th, 2019? 8 this year. 9 MS. : No. 9 MR. Sure. And are you 10 MR. Do you know anything 10 involved at all with the documentation for when 11 about cameras going down prior to August 10th, 11 cameras -- 12 2019? 12 MS. N 13 MS. : No. 13 MR. -- go down, or 14 MR. : Do you know if any steps 14 maintenance? No? 15 were taken to correct the problem of the 15 MS. : No. 16 cameras goin down? 16 MR. Who would be in charge of 17 MS. : No. 17 documentation? 18 MR. Do you know that we have 18 MS. . It will beliiiii;ager. 19 - there's a new camera system in the MCC? 19 MR. Mr. . 20 MS. IIII: If I do know that there's a new 20 MS. 21 camera system? 21 MR. Okay. If the camera 22 MR. : Do you know if there is a 22 system was outdated and needed replacing, who 23 new cameriLlystem at MCC? 23 would be the people that would be in the know? 24 MS. IIII: I know there's new cameras at 24 MS. : The comtechs. 25 MCC, as of now, yes. 25 MR. The comtechs. And then, 35 36 1 who? 1 that the cameras were offline, and then he went 2 MS. : And then, Mr. 2 home, and the plan was to fix it the next day? 3 MR. And then, who? 3 MS. : I don't know. I don't know. 4 MS. : And then, the AWs, and it goes 4 MR. : You don't know. Okay. 5 up and up and u 5 What is your understanding of what happened to 6 MR. The warden. 6 Epstein on August 9th and 10th of 2019? 7 MS. -- and up and up. 7 MS. IIII: Well, I don't know, he hanged 8 MR. Oh, okay. And what about 8 himself. 9 the captain? Is he involved with that at all? 9 MR. He hung himself? 10 MS. : He should be. 10 MS. Yeah. 11 MR. : Okay. Do you know if Mr. 11 MR. Is it your understanding 12 was ever asking for a new camera system, 12 that he died from hanging within the MCC? 13 leading u to -- 13 MS. : Because of MCC. 14 MS. 14 MR. : Is it your understanding 15 MR. -- August 10th? 15 that Mr. Epstein died from hanging within the 16 MS. I don't know. 16 MCC? 17 MR. You're not aware. What 17 MS. : I don't know. 18 are Mr. responsibilities as the 18 MR. You don't even know? 19 Comtech? 19 MS. I don't even know. 20 MS. : Phones. Radios. And cameras. 20 MR. So, you said that you 21 MR. Okay. 21 thought he hung himself. 22 MS. : Other than that, I'm not sure 22 MS. : That's what -- 23 what else. 23 MR. : So, can you expand on 24 MR. Okay. Do .o lieve 24 that, then? Where -- 25 appropriate action was taken if knew 25 MS. -- that's what the media said. EFTA00111429  37 38 1 MR. -- where did he hang 1 MS. M.Ion't -- 2 himself? 2 MR. : -- the biggest, highest 3 MS. In Nine South. 3 profile gu 4 MR. Okay. So, is that within 4 MS. He is the highest profile -- 5 the MCC? 5 MR. killed himself? 6 MS. Yeah. 6 MS. of course, but -- 7 MR. : Do you believe he died 7 MR. Or anything like that? 8 when he was here in the MCC? 8 MS. -- no. 9 MS. IIII: Well, I wasn't here. I know 9 MR. No? 10 the media said he died here. I mean 10 MS. 11 MR. . Okay. 11 MR. All right. Do you have 12 MS. -- I don't know. 12 any information, with regard to any suspicious 13 MR. But you didn't hear 13 activity that occurred on August 9th or 10th of 14 anything about -- 14 2019, leading up to the discovery of Epstein in 15 MS. : No no, no -- 15 his cell? 16 MR. -- being here? 16 MS. 17 MS. no, no. 17 MR. What do you know about 18 MR. In the MCC? No one ever 18 someone else taking Epstein's life? 19 spoke about it? 19 MS. • No. 20 MS. : No. Huh-uh. 20 MR. You don't know anything? 21 MR. • Really? I'm just -. 21 MS. 22 MS. : You know, everybody, but no, 22 MR. What do you know about 23 I'm not -. 23 other's assisting with taking Epstein's life? 24 MR. No one ever talked about, 24 MS. : No. 25 hey -- 25 MR. You don't know anything? 39 40 1 MS. : No. 1 involvement with Epstein's death? 2 MR. : Okay. Did Epstein take 2 MS. : No. 3 his own life? 3 MR. : Do you know what would 4 MS. IIII: I wasn't there. But I don't 4 have prevented Epstein's death? That is, what 5 know. I ii.•• 5 actions should have been taken to prevent his 6 MR. : Okay. Did Epstein act 6 death? 7 alone in taking his own life? 7 MS. : I don't know. 8 MS. : If he was alone? 8 MR. You don't -- 9 MR. Did he act alone? 9 MS. 10 MS. I wasn't there. 10 MR. • -- you don't know. Were 11 MR. So, you're not sure? 11 you ever a correctional officer? 12 MS. Yeah. 12 MS. : No. 13 MR. And that's totally fine 13 MR. No. Okay. And when you 14 to just sa I don't know. 14 came with the BOP, what did you start as? 15 MS. : I wasn't there. 15 MS. : I started as a unit team. 16 MR. No, no, no. I know. 16 MR. And what does that mean? 17 MS. I didn't even see it. Like 17 MS. : Unit team are, like, we have 18 MR. No, that's what I'm 18 counselors, case managers, secretaries. That's 19 saying, is that total acceptable answer for you 19 what I used to do, is a unit secretary. Case 20 to say I don't know. 20 managers. Unit managers and stuff. Dealing 21 MS. IIII: I don't know. It's, like, what 21 with the inmates. You know? 22 the hell, to see if he did. I don't know what 22 MR. : Okay. 23 he did. It's just, it's all over the media, 23 MS. : And taking care of them. 24 but no. 24 MR. : So, not, like, watching 25 MR. Did you have any 25 over the cells or doing cell searches, or EFTA00111430  41 42 1 counts, or anything like that? 1 last question that I have for you. What are 2 MS. IIII: No, no, no, no, no. Oh, like, 2 some of the systematic problems inside the MCC? 3 what -- 3 And specifically, the SHU that allowed for 4 MR. . Or rounds. 4 Epstein to die. 5 MS. -- officers does? No. 5 MS. : Don't know. 6 MR. No. Okay. 6 MR. Okay. Do you have any 7 MR. : Isn't that - sorry - isn't a 7 more? 8 unit team member also a C.O.? 8 MR. : Yeah. You mentioned that Mr. 9 MS. IIII: We all are correctional 9 was a communicator. Doesn't it mean, 10 officers, but I know exactly what he means. 10 like, if there were any issues or anything that 11 What he means is. like -- 11 came up, he would actually address it with the 12 MR. • He means, like -. 12 supervisor? 13 MS. : -- as an officer, like, how 13 MS. Yeah. He will. 14 they do, like, all their rounds and stuff like 14 MR. : Okay. Has he ever come to 15 that. 15 you with an issues? 16 MR. • And custody. Working -- 16 MS. No. 17 MS. Custody. Yeah. 17 MR. : Now, if did come to 18 MR. • -- have you ever -? 18 you durin that week - just a hypothetical -- 19 MS. o. I do not -- 19 MS. Mm-hmm. 20 MR. So, you've never worked 20 MR. : -- if he did come to you that 21 in -- 21 week, saying, hey, listen, the cameras are 22 MS. : -- work in custody at all. 22 down, what would you have told him to do? 23 MR. : -- custody. 23 MS. IIII: I would speak to my AW, the 24 MS. : Yeah. 24 warden, the president, and everybody, we're 25 MR. : Okay. And this is the 25 fixing this situation. 43 44 1 MR. : And you would have told him 1 MS. : Oh. 2 to fix it before he went home? 2 MR. : It's not certifying the 3 MS. Mi Yeah. 3 accuracy. It