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From: Deepak Chopra < @chopra.com > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 1:42 PM To: jeffrey E. Subject: Re: Sensory Apparatus / Language No shape can be divorced from the seeing of it. No seeing can be divorce= from a witnessing awareness or seer . Seer and scenery are modifica=ions of the same awareness Awareness modifies its as all shapes and forms and also the witnessing o= them. There is nothing else. Awareness is timeless Its modifications as seer and scenery are in time 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 Chopra Foundat=on <http://www.choprafoundation.org> <http://www.choprafoundation.org> </=iv> Jiyo <http://www.jiyo.com> <http://=iyo.com> <=a> <http://jiyo.com> Chopra Center for Wellbe=ng <http://www.chopra.com> <http://chopra.com> <http:=/chopra.com> <http://www.jiyo.com> =br> discoveringyourcosmicself.=om chttp://=ww.discoveringyourcosmicself.com> <=span> From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 5:50:36 AM To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: Sensory Apparatus / Language names are not important. . the que=tion is are some things more similar or more different. = if i measure the height of 100 people , a graph o= heights will form a shape. a bell shaped curve,&n=sp; . that shape is everywhere. the shape is not a consious artifact. . the shape is not aware. .&=bsp; a human construct gives it a name. percieves it etc but it exists wit=out either. it is an organizing principle. that is not a construct. we tell ourselves complex =tories about self. it is a fiction that allows some regulation of th= entity. meditation hacks the feedback loop ,.&nbs=; EFTA_R1_01903018 EFTA02657045 On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 5:40 AM, Deepak Chopra <=pan dir="ltr"> < =chopra.com <mailto > wrote: Awareness = consciousness There is liver cell Humans made up the word and gave a name to a mode of knowing experience =nd behavior There is no Jeffrey or deepak either . These are all symbols --and human=constructs for reality --which is nameless formless spaceless timeless. Ev=ryone is bamboozled by the superstition of matter. Its a convincing halluc=nation so everyone should forgiven See you soon 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 Chopra Foundation <http://www.choprafoundation.org> <=a> <http://www.ch=prafoundation.org> Jiyo <http://www.jiyo.com> <http://jiyo.com> <http://jiyo.com> Chopra Center for Wellbeing <http://www.chopra.com> <http://chopra.com= id=> </=> <http://www.jiyo.com> discoveringyourcosmicself.com <http://=ww.discoveringyourcosmicself.com> <=span> From:=jeffrey E. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:09:10 PM To: Deepak Chopra Subject: Re: Sensory Apparatus / Language you are the same as a liver cell . a com=lex system aware of its surrounding and takes actions in response to=its enviromnet and internal state. after taking measurements. &=bsp; . the liver cell is aware. it might als= fool itself into thinking it is conscious. . . ssee you soon On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Deepak Chopra =span dir="ltr"> < hopra.com <mailto > wrote: 2 EFTA_R1_01903019 EFTA02657046 Thanks Donald ! Deepak Chopra MD 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 =hopra Foundation <http://www.choprafoundat=on.ore> Jiyo <http://www.jiyo.com/> Chopra Cen=er for Wellbeing <http://www.chopra.com/> =Ip> <http:=/www.discoveringyourcosmicself.comh <=p> On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:43 PM, DONALD HOFFMAN < » wrote: 3 EFTA_R1_01903020 EFTA02657047  Yes, I agree that the spacetime universe is a human construct. It is n=t the fundamental reality. Physicists are now recognizing this. They say, =93Spacetime is doomed," meaning it is not the fundamental reality that t=ey had hoped it would be. They don't know what is the fundamental reality, and are searching for it. But they d=n't want to take seriously the idea that consciousness might be the fund=mental reality. I saw this first hand when I participated in the FQXi conf=rence in Banff last summer, where physicists and cosmologists met to grapple with the fundamental nature of =eality. Chalmers was there too, and spoke about consciousness. On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Deepak Chopra < > wrote:<=div> Agree Thanks However the space time universe is a human construct - linguistically =peaking - language used by humans to describe knowing and experience / per=eptions in awareness ? Deepak Chopra MD 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 Chopra C=nter for Wellbeing <http://www.choprafound=tion.org/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.conta <image001.png> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> <http://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/= target=> 4 EFTA_R1_01903021 EFTA02657048  On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:20 PM, DONALD HOFFMAN < » wrote: Dear Deepak, Yes, I would say that the sensory appar=tus and brain are species-specific icons. My entire body is just an icon. =hen I move my hand and grab something, even that movement is just an icon.=l don't know what I am really doing in objective reality—I only know my own actions under the limits of=the descriptions available within my interface. Genes, animals, speci=s, and even spacetime itself are just icons. The evolutionary arguments against true=nbsp;perceptions do not hold against true logic and math, since we do=need to reason about fitness payoffs—two bites of an apple give rou=hly twice the payoff as one bite, for instance. There are no selection pressures to be geniuses at math and logic, and few of us=are. But we need to have enough competence to get the payoffs we need. I wouldn't say that the spazetime universe is itself a conscious agent, but that it is the format=of the interface of human conscious agents. I am working on a mathematical theory&n=sp;of how conscious agents evolve languages to better understand each=other. It seems that they can get more information about each other withou= violating the second law of thermodynamics, if they hillclimb mutual information. Fun research ahead on this one!=/span> Love, Don On Mar 16, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Deepak Chopra < > wrote:<=div> Dear Don Would you say that the sensory apparatus and brain - eyes ears other s=nses are species specific icons ( symbols ) for modes of knowing and exper=ence - seeing hearing thinking feeling imagining etc Also it seems to me that humans by giving names to modes of knowing an= experience ( perception ) have created the universe as a human construct = Everything from a quark to a boson to a galaxy is a name or description b=stowed by humans to a mode of knowing or experience in awareness . This holds true for what we call a body mind =enes other animals and species Taxonomy is symbol making for knowing and experience . Do we know anything about the origin of symbolic language including ma=hematics ? 5 EFTA_R1_01903022 EFTA02657049  What does evolution say ? The entire universe is our construct - a spe=ies of consciousness - what you call a conscious agent love Deepak Chopra MD 2013 Costa Del Mar Road Carlsbad, CA 92009 Chopra C=nter for Wellbeing <http://www.choprafound=tion.orgh <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> <image001.png> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/> <https://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com=> <http://www.discoveringyourcosmicself.com/= target=> please note The information contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended only for 6 EFTA_R1_01903023 EFTA02657050  the use of the addressee. It is the property of JEE Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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