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From: Misha Gromov Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 3:10 PM To: Jeffrey E. Subject: Re: Ergobrain generates ideas/illusions of the "world" some are OK and=some are not On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:04:46 -0400, jeffrey E. wrote: persistant illusion? consiousness required.&nb=p; not sure what you mean by illusion On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Misha Gromov <=pan mailto , wr=te: Math in biology may be a persistent illusion. Such an illusion may gener=te something dynamically non- trivial,e.g. physical science or someth=ng essentially static such as philosophy or religion. On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:38:19 -0400, jeffrey E. wrote: understood. . however&=bsp; what i like is the concept of pressure . says nothing at =11 about any one molecule , but gives useful information re the statistica= . I wonder if people are more like the indi=idual molecule and only looking at the statistical overview may give=some info. the term social being, means part=of a group. . left isolated the indiv cannot thrive. &nbs=; the study of groups of individuals , actuarial tables etc.&n=sp; seems useful. but only at the boundary s of certainty or z=ro. does it say anything meaningful about any single person. On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Misha Gromov <=pan> <mailto > wr=te: mechanism -- something as sophisticated as Watt's pressure regulat=r EFTA_R1_01413217 EFTA02389268  On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:21:09 -0400, jeffrey E. wrote: the word mechanism gives me pause, - &nbs=; it relates so much to the industrial revolution where evrything an= everyone can be thought of as a machine. &nb=p; the concept of hope. for example . or even the idea of " concepts=. in general do not appear to me to lend themselves to m=chanics. . is probability a " mechanism " =2E ? On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Misha Gromov <mailto - wro=e: On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 09:19:31 -0400, jeffrey E. wrote: yes , or in paris if i come earlier. &nbs=; what are you working on? =do you think there is any fundamental reason why biology has n=t opened its mysteries to mathematics? Possibly, he consistency of the failures = of the attempts of making conceptual math-biology points towa=d an interesting psycological mechanism gen=rating the strive to achieve it. On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Misha Gromov <mailto > wro=e: in NY? On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 08:57:03 -0400, jeffrey E. wrote: if one looks at probabilty distributions. it could appear =hat the curve is a result of being acted on by a pseudo force. =nbsp; pushing agents towards the center. the activity of=change more along the curve ( membrane ) one agent moves=up the other down so the distribution remains the same? At harvard last week i hosted a group discussing deception. .&n=sp; the cost benefit. . camaflouge. misinforation, disimformation. &n=sp; etc , the feelign was that the role of your ergo cou=d be the system designed to read the inner workings of your predator=or your prey. . instilling false signals , is a cheap pr=tection. anyway hope to see you soon 2 EFTA_R1_01413218 EFTA02389269  On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Misha Gromov <mailto > wro=e: Remind me of a scientist who staged up his death in order to find someth=ng nice about himself in the press On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 11:42:37 -0400, jeffrey E. wrote: do i have to look in the obituaries to make sure you=are not there? :) please note The information contained in this communication is confidential, =ay be attorney-client privileged, may constitute inside information, =nd is intended only for the use of the addressee. 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