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Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 1 of 14 EXHIBIT 2 (Filed Under Seal)  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 2 of 14 2016-06-10 Rinaldo Rizzo (Rough) 1 1 2 --------------------------------------------- ------ 3 REALTIME AND INTERACTIVE REALTIME TRANSCRIPT ROUGH DRAFT DISCLAIMER 4 --------------------------------------------- ------ 5 IMPORTANT NOTICE: AGREEMENT OF PARTIES 6 --------------------------------------------- ------ 7 We, the party working with realtime and rough 8 draft transcripts, understand that if we choose to use the realtime rough draft screen 9 or the printout, that we are doing so with the understanding that the rough draft is a 10 noncertified copy. 11 We further agree not to share, give, copy, scan, fax or in any way distribute this 12 realtime rough draft in any form (written or computerized) to any party. However, your 13 own experts, cocounsel and staff may have limited internal use of same with the 14 understanding that we agree to destroy your realtime rough draft and/or any computerized 15 form, if any, and replace it with the final transcript upon its completion. 16 Case: Giuffre v Maxwell 17 Date: June 10, 2016 18 REPORTER'S NOTE: Since this deposition has been realtimed and 19 is in rough draft form, please be aware that there may be a discrepancy regarding page and 20 line number when comparing the realtime screen, the rough draft, rough draft disk, 21 and the final transcript. 22 Also please be aware that the realtime screen and the noncertified rough draft transcript 23 may contain untranslated steno, reporter's note in double parentheses, misspelled proper 24 names, incorrect or missing Q/A symbols or punctuation, and/or nonsensical English word 25 combinations. All such entries will be correct on the final certified transcript. ٧ 2 1 2 Page 1  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 3 of 14 2016-06-10 Rinaldo Rizzo (Rough) 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ٧ 33 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Page 28  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 4 of 14 2016-06-10 Rinaldo Rizzo (Rough) 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ٧ 34 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 Page 29  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 5 of 14 2016-06-10 Rinaldo Rizzo (Rough) 21 22 23 24 25 ٧ 35 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Page 30 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 6 of 14 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 7 of 14 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 8 of 14 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 9 of 14 Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 10 of 14  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 11 of 14 2016-06-10 Rinaldo Rizzo (Rough) 7 Q. Is that unusual? 8 A. I always answer the front door. It 9 was very unusual for me. 10 Q. What happens next? 11 A. Eva meets them at the door. I'm 12 still standing there, because it was that 13 brief moment where everybody meets at the 14 same time, and so Eva is opening the door, 15 I'm still standing there, and Jeffrey, Uncle 16 F, Ghislaine, come in with a young girl. 17 Q. Again. Describe for me the young 18 girl, including her age. 19 A. I looked at this girl -- 20 MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to the form 21 and foundation. 22 A. I would say, and I know for a fact 23 and I will get to this as we proceed, I 24 assumed her age at the time was 16 to 17 25 years old. ٧ 53 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 Q. Did you learn whether your 3 perception was correct? 4 MR. PAGLIUCA: Same objection. 5 A. It was younger. Yes, I did. 6 Q. How old was this girl? 7 A. 15 years old. 8 Q. What happens next when Ghislaine 9 Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and a 15-year-old 10 girl walk into Eva Anderson's home? 11 MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to the form. Page 45  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 12 of 14 2016-06-10 Rinaldo Rizzo (Rough) 12 Foundation. 13 A. They proceed into the dining room 14 area, which is across from the living room 15 area. I go into the kitchen and I hear a 16 conversation start. Very muffled, I could 17 not hear any particulars about the 18 conversation whatsoever. 19 My wife and I are in the kitchen 20 preparing the evening meal. Eva brings the 21 young girl into the kitchen. In the kitchen, 22 there is an island with three barstools. Eva 23 instructs the young girl to sit to the 24 furthest barstool on the right. 25 Q. Describe for me what the girl ٧ 54 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 looked like, including her demeanor and 3 anything else you remember about her when she 4 walks into the kitchen. 5 A. Very attractive, beautiful young 6 girl. Makeup, very put together, casual 7 dress. But she seemed to be upset, maybe 8 distraught, and she was shaking, and as she 9 sat down, she sat down and sat in the stool 10 exactly the way the girls that I mentioned to 11 you sat at Jeffrey's house, with no 12 expression and with their head down. But we 13 could tell that she was very nervous. 14 Q. What do you mean by distraught and 15 shaking, what do you mean by that? Page 46  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 13 of 14 2016-06-10 Rinaldo Rizzo (Rough) 21 was that comment or my persistence, and she 22 said yes. So I said, what do you do? And 23 she says I'm Jeffrey's executive assistant, 24 personal assistant. Which, from looking at 25 her, just didn't seem to suit. ٧ 56 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 And I blurted out: You're his 3 executive personal assistant? What do you 4 do? And she says I was hired as his 5 executive personal assistant. I schedule his 6 appointments. 7 And I'm shocked, and I blurt out: 8 You seem quite young, how did you get a job? 9 How old are you? And she says to me, point 10 blank: I'm 15 years old. 11 And I said to her: You're 15 years 12 old and you have a position like that? At 13 that point she just breaks down hysterically, 14 so I feel like I just said something wrong, 15 and she will not stop crying. My wife and I 16 were at a loss for words, and I keep on 17 trying to console her, and nothing I was 18 saying, are you all right, do you need a 19 tissue, do you need water, consoles her. 20 And then in a state of shock, she 21 just lets it rip, and what she told me was 22 just unbelievable. 23 Q. What did she say? 24 MR. PAGLIUCA: Object to the form Page 48  Case 1:15-cv-07433-LAP Document 1256-7 Filed 05/03/22 Page 14 of 14 2016-06-10 Rinaldo Rizzo (Rough) 25 and foundation. ٧ 57 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 A. She proceeds to tell my wife and I 3 that, and this is not -- this is blurting 4 out, not a conversation like I'm having a 5 casual conversation, that quickly I was on an 6 island, I was on the island and there was 7 Ghislaine, there was Sarah, she said they 8 asked me for sex, I said no. 9 And she is just rambling, and I'm 10 like what, and she said -- I asked her, I 11 said what? And she says yes, I was on the 12 island, I don't know how I got from the 13 island to here. Last afternoon or in the 14 afternoon I was on the island and now I'm 15 here. And I said do you have a -- this is 16 not making any sense to me, and I said this 17 is nuts, do you have a passport, do you have 18 a phone? 19 And she says no, and she says 20 Ghislaine took my passport. And I said what, 21 and she says Sarah took her passport and her 22 phone and gave it to Ghislaine Maxwell, and 23 at that point she said that she was 24 threatened. And I said threatened? She says 25 yes, I was threatened by Ghislaine not to ٧ 58 1 R. Rizzo - Confidential 2 discuss this. Page 49