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Columbia Business School
AT THE VERY CENTER OF BUSINESS
Graham & Doddsville
An investment newsletter from the students of Columbia Business School
Issue XXVII Spring 2016
Inside this issue:
CSIMA Confer-
ence & Pershing John Phelan of MSD Capital
Square Challenge P. 3
John Phelan P. 4 Mr. Phelan is Co-Managing Partner of MSD and Co-Founder of the
firm. Prior to forming MSD, he was a Principal from 1992 to 1997
Alex Magaro P. 14 at ESL Investments, a Greenwich, Connecticut based investment
firm. At ESL, Mr. Phelan was responsible for ESL's Special
Adam Wyden '10 P. 25
Situation Investments and helped grow the firm from $50 million
Marc Cohodes P. 33 to over $2.0 billion in assets under management. Prior to ESL, Mr.
Phelan was Vice President in charge of Acquisitions (Western
Pershing Square Region) for the Zell-Merrill Lynch Real Estate Opportunity Funds.
Challenge Ideas P. 44 John Phelan Mr. Phelan began his career at Goldman, Sachs & Co. where he
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Editors:
Brendan Dawson Alex Magaro
Adam Wyden '10
MBA 2016 of Meritage
of ADW Capital
Scott DeBenedett Group
MBA 2016
Anthony Philipp Alex Magaro is a Adam Wyden founded
MBA 2016 Co-President of ADW Capital in January
Meritage Group, a Adam Wyden 201 1 and acts as sole
Brandon Cheong Alex Magaro fundamentally- portfolio manager to
MBA 2017 oriented the Fund. The Fund is
Eric Laidlow, CFA investment firm, managing focused on maintaining a concentrated
approximately $10B primarily on portfolio of high-quality and high-
MBA 2017
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Benjamin Ostrow
MBA 2017
Marc Cohodes formerly of Rocker
Partners/Copper River
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Marc Cohodes is a former General Partner of Rocker Partners/
wwwcsimainfn Copper River from 1985-2009. He began his career at the
Northern Trust Company in 1982 after graduating Babson
HeilbrunnCenter College with a BS in Finance. He has been profiled in the books;
for Graham&Dodrt Reckless Endangerment, Selling America Short ,The Most
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Marc Cohodes Dangerous Trade. He was the subject of a Harvard Business
School Case study on his efforts to expose Mortgage Fraud at
Novastar. He resides in Cotati, California, where he runs Alder
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opportunities for students decades of investing with men- temperament required as well '17, Eric Laidlow '17. and Ben
interested in value invest- tors such as Richard Rainwater, as the intellectual rewards of a Ostrow '17. We want to thank
ing. The classes sponsored Sam Zell. Eddie Lampert. and career in short-selling. Marc Brandon. Eric, and Ben for
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worked as an Analyst in encouraged me to go find good second years at business
the Investment Banking mentors. She said one of the school I worked for Richard
Division. things about good mentors is Rainwater, and that's where I
you can learn on someone met Eddie Lampert. Richard
Mr. Phelan received his else's nickel. It's something you introduced me to Eddie. Of
. from Harvard don't realize when you're those ten weeks that summer.
Business School and younger. But it struck me at a I spent about three or four
graduated cum laude with very early age to try to go find with Richard and the rest with
distinction and Phi Beta people that were the best in Eddie.
Kappa from Southern their particular businesses, and
Methodist University with I think my mother pushed me : How did you connect
a B.A. in Economics and towards that. with Richard?
Political Science. Mr.
Phelan also holds a In my real first job, I worked JP: I had been hoping to get
John Phelan General Course degree with an uncle rehabbing back to Texas after business
with an emphasis in apartments in New York. I was school and I wrote Richard a
Economics and doing that during college. That letter. In that letter I told him I
International Relations was an eye-opening experience would be willing to work for
from the London School of that forced me to focus on free and one of my professors
Economics. cash flow every minute of the at Southern Methodist
day. It was a very tough University had suggested I
Graham & Doddsville business and I was doing a contact him. I told him I just
(Mb: To start off, talk number of different things. The wanted to learn from one of
about your background and work ranged from running the the best and was willing to
your path to investing, numbers to actually doing invest in myself.
including mentors and construction work That
influences along the way. teaches you a lot. I also Richard called me on a Friday
learned I didn't want to break at like 4:00pm. He said "Hey
John Phelan OP): My mother my back doing that for my John, this is Richard
was a very big influence on my entire career. Rainwater." I thought it was
development as an investor. one of my classmates playing a
My father was a doctor and. I was fortunate enough to get a joke on me. I used a curse
like most doctors job with Goldman Sachs. which word I shouldn't have and just
unfortunately, not a very good was really the first big hung up the phone. A minute
investor. My mother, on the company I worked for. At the later the phone rang again: "I
other hand, came from a real time, Goldman was still a think we got disconnected."
estate background and focused private partnership. I learned a thinking. "Oh my God, this
very much on cash flow. My ton and I had a number of is Richard Rainwater. I cannot
parents gave me a Disney great mentors at Goldman believe I just hung up on this
stock certificate for a birthday Sachs. I worked with truly guy." I said,'. really sorry,
present when I was five years exceptional people there. but my classmates have been
old. That got me hooked—I playing jokes on each other,
was fascinated by numbers and As great as my experience at and I thought you were one of
seeing something trade every Goldman was, it did make me them." "Oh that's a pretty
day. That's what got me into realize that I did not want a good one," he laughed—he
stocks. career in investment banking. was very good about it.
Instead of being the person
I initially went into real estate, who is on call 24/7 to serve my I flew down to Fort Worth on
where my mother taught me client I wanted to be the client. my own dime and met with
quite a bit, including two I preferred being a principal as Richard. He said, "Meet with
principles: make sure you can opposed to an advisor. I these different guys. You can
always pay your bills and debt decided to attend business work with me for a bit and see
service and the importance of school and was accepted into if one of them will take you as
free cash flow for levered Harvard Business School. The well." I met with Eddie and a
assets like real estate. She also summer between my first and couple of other guys who were
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with Richard at the time. I investment fund and was one our firm without leverage and
didn't know a lot about risk of the few people who had have only been 100% invested
arbitrage, but I knew they capital. It was a good time to once in our 18 year history.
were analyzing stocks and that have capital. The RTC was the first quarter 2009. I
was something I really wanted formed after a number of actually consider cash to be an
to do. It was a tremendous S&L's failed, there were a lot asset class.
learning experience. I really of distressed loans, the trading
enjoyed working with Richard market for loans was just About nine months into the
and Eddie that summer, and I starting to develop, and the job, Zell through his Zell-
fell in love with the risk illiquidity was incredible. Chilmark fund started taking a
arbitrage business. One of the Having capital at that time and hard look at Executive Life,
things you have to be good at being a liquidity provider to which had a large junk bond
in the risk arbitrage business is the banks was a unique and portfolio. I was asked to work
valuation: you need to be able good place to be. on credits that had large real
to understand your downside. estate components: RiteAid
(RAD). Carson Pirie Scott.
I graduated in 1990—not a "...my mother taught Charter Medical—any
very good year to graduate company that had a big real
from business school, as you me quite a bit, estate component to it. We
can imagine. The markets were were trying to value both the
bad, the RTC/bank crisis was including two real estate and going concern
accelerating and most money value as that was what the
managers were having a bad principles: make sure debt was secured by and the
year. It was a rough year. Eddie real estate provided your
said. "Listen, I don't know if
you can always pay downside protection. We lost
going to be in business much your bills and debt the Executive Life auction to
less have a job for you. It's not Apollo. It was a fascinating
clear. You should go find service and the experience and I really learned
something." a lot. I remember looking at
importance of free Charter Medical debt which
IM Did you end up was secured by a large number
working with Eddie? cash flow for levered of hospitals. I called Chase
Manhattan and said. "Hey. we
JP: I actually graduated
assets like real estate. see you guys are the lead bank
without a job. It was She also encouraged on this." They said, "We've got
depressing because I didn't plenty of debt for sale. we can
expect to be jobless. in debt, me to go find good sell you at 20-30 cents on the
and living at home with my dollar." We came to the
parents after graduating from mentors." conclusion we could've sold
Harvard Business School. I four or five hospitals and
knew I did not want to go back gotten all our money back at
to banking, so I did not do If you go back and study the that price. That's how bad and
that. Luckily a couple of the great investors throughout illiquid the market was.
guys I had worked with at history—the Medicis, the
Goldman in Chicago left the Morgans, the Rothschilds, and Understanding where you are
firm to go work for Sam Zell. recently Buffett—these great in terms of seniority in the
Bob Lurie had died and he was investors with terrific records capital structure and identifying
really Sam's right-hand man— share a common trait: they the fulcrum security was
they were partners. Sam hired were always in a position to be critical, so I started auditing a
Randy Rowe, who was the liquidity providers. Each was bankruptcy class at University
main person I worked with at willing to hold cash until of Chicago because I wanted
Goldman in Chicago. Randy someone was in distress or to learn bankruptcy law. I
was kind enough to offer me a under duress, and they could thought it was an important
job. Sam had just raised his provide liquidity at very aspect of the work I was doing.
second distressed real estate attractive prices. We have run I put together a business plan
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on the side, while I was still Glenn Fuhrman. All those guys really great macro thinkers out
working at Zell. I pitched Sam have been very influential for there. He's very good at
on the idea of setting up a junk me. And they all have very looking at excesses and
bond operation to buy the different approaches. They all thinking through the
debt of distressed companies. go about things very implications of them before
We had done a lot of work on differently, but I've tried to they happen, when they
over 100 companies. Exec Life take nuggets from each one of happen, and then after. He's
Pershing Square Challenge
runners-up with Paul Hilal owned only pieces of the debt, them and incorporate what really adept at connecting the
'92 (from left to right: so there was a big opportunity I've learned from each of them dots. He's a much more top-
Chris Andreola '16. Bran- to make a lot of money. Sam into my thinking process. down guy than someone like
don Cohen '16, Paul Hilal got up and slapped me on the Eddie. who also has a great
'92. and Daniel Rudyak back and said. "You know nose for investments but is
'17) what, congratulations. I wish "If you go back and more bottoms up.
you a lot of luck—this is a
fantastic idea. I think this is study the great I have a funny story with Sam.
great." I asked, "Did I just get He spoke during my first year
investors throughout
fired?" He said. "No, you don't at the Goldman real estate
have to leave. But you're going history—the Medicis, conference. He looked in the
to leave. I already know it. This room and said. "I want all you
is a great idea. I don't want to the Morgans, the to know that, within three
do this because I want to own years. half of you will no longer
and control companies.. not Rothschilds, and be working in this department.
interested in owning pieces of There is going to be a major
companies anymore. I actually recently Buffett— blow up." This was in the
want to buy and control them. summer of 1987. He was dead
these great investors
But you've got a great idea and on the money. Sam is very
I think you should go pursue with terrific records good that way. He's also a very
it." smart deal structurer. He
share a common trait understands leverage points
I called Richard. but he had and knows how to negotiate
also taken a run at Executive they were always in a very well particularly in
Life and already had a team in complex situations. He's a
house. So I called Eddie. I sat position to be liquidity consummate deal maker.
down with Eddie and gave him
providers. Each was
my business plan and pitch. He When did you start
said. "Well why don't you willing to hold cash thinking about launching your
come on in and do it." I did own fund? Why did you
that with Eddie and ended up until someone was in ultimately decide to join
working with him a little over Michael Dell instead?
seven years. I started off distress or under
basically doing distressed, risk JP: In late 1997, I decided to
arbitrage—all special situation- duress, and they could leave ESL. It was a personal
type of investing. Then I got decision. My mother had
provide liquidity at
involved in the emerging passed away very
markets debt crisis in 1994. I very attractive prices." unexpectedly. It was a very
did quite a bit in that area with tough thing for me, and it was
Eddie. That's how learned my especially difficult on my dad. I
stripes. Could you talk more decided to take some time off.
about working with Sam Zell been working like a
I've been very fortunate to through the real estate cycle? machine with Eddie, those
have really great mentors at How has he been able to avoid seven years were like dog
Goldman. as well as Sam. mistakes and be opportunistic years. He was a demanding guy
Eddie. and Michael Dell. whose when others can't? to work for but also a very
private investment firm I now smart guy. I enjoyed it. and
co-manage with my partner JP: I think Sam is one of the learned an incredible amount.
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but I needed some balance and build. I walked him through my stopped me in my tracks and I
I needed to help my father. business plan and he said, said. "Now that's an interesting
After a few months. I started "That's interesting. El trying question. I didn't really think
getting itchy trying to figure to hire a guy similar to Richard about that." He said. "MI like
out what I was oing to do. At to do something like that for you to think about that." I met
the same time, made a me. Would that be of interest with Michael a few more times.
decent amount of money and to you?" I said. "No. probably At the end of the day it was
didn't feel rushed to have to not. I've got some good trust on both of our parts, and
do anything. investors and I am not sure I it worked. He's been a
want another partner at this phenomenal partner. II make
I decided I was going to write a time." He said. "I got it. okay the same decision again
business plan for a multi- no problem." I said, "By the anytime. It's been a great
strategy investment firm, way, happy to give you my partnership with him and
similar to ESL. I met with a business plan. It might help you Glenn.
number of different successful think through what you want
investment people. Some of for your investment office." Michael was the one that
them I knew. Some of them I introduced me to my partner,
did not. I said. "I just want 30 Glenn Fuhrman. He was very
minutes of your time, and I "I came away with good at matching us up. It was
have just one simple question. a hard thing for me to do
Tell me why you've been what I call the three because Michael was
successful and how do you partnering me up with
sustain it?" Richard as well as Cs, which is what I somebody I didn't know.
David Bonderman were two of Although we both came from
the people kind enough to
thought were really the Goldman—and were there at
indulge me. I basically keys to success in the the same time—we didn't
interviewed different successful know each other. It became
hedge fund and private equity investment business: very apparent when Glenn and
managers. From those I first met that we had very
interviews I came away with Capital, Connections, complementary skill sets which
what I call the three Cs. which is really important to a
is what I thought were really and Culture. These successful partnership. We
the keys to success in the both came from the same
investment business: Capital. were the driven I was Goldman mold: teamwork.
Connections, and Culture. able to identify. hard work intelligent, humble
and ethical behavior. It just
These were the drivers I was They're probably worked. I think, to his credit.
able to identify. They're Michael saw that it was going
probably drivers in just about driven in just about to work and he knew.
any business. I was out raising unbeknownst to us, that this
my own fund and had raised a any business." was probably going to be
decent amount of money. bigger than what we thought it
While I was raising the fund was going to be when we first
both Dan Stern and Richard I gave him my business plan. started. Glenn has been a
Rainwater gave me a call and He called me about a week tremendous partner and friend
said, "You should go meet with later and said. "You know. I and we owe this to Michael.
Michael Dell." I said, "Michael's was reading through your
an investor of Eddie's. I don't business plan, and I have a : Could you talk about
know that I really want to do question for you. just the evolution of MSD as an
that." Richard and Dan both puzzling on it. curious how investment firm as well as the
said. "Just shut up and go do you're better off under the evolution of your role?
it." three Cs by yourself than you
are with me. I have capital. In JP: It definitely has evolved a
I met with Michael and he pretty connected. And you get lot. I used to jokingly say that
asked me what I was trying to to build the culture." That never be more than I S
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people. Then when we got to have to do is focus on the there any hedge overlays we
20. and said, "There's no investment side. That's really should put on? What do we
way we're going to more than what we've tried to create at see across our platform that is
30 people." Today we're 124 the firm today. I would say our concerning? We have a great
people. Initially. when it was roles have evolved to more of vantage point because we get
just the two of us. Glenn and I a chief risk officer/chief to see everything across the
were involved in every investment officer. We firm.
decision. The firm evolved by oversee the portfolios, we
us working closely with our oversee the teams, but they're not as deep in the weeds as
PMs before we really let them really running independent I was when we started. That's
loose. Distinguishing a good businesses, and they're making partly due to the fact that we
PM from a good analyst is not the decisions to buy and sell. If have highly capable people
that easy. We were on top of there's something in there we who don't need my direct
them in the beginning and over don't like we will have a call. oversight. We do still have
time we established enough happy to pick up the phone very robust conversations
confidence in them that we and say. "Walk me through around investments and
could step back. We knew that this and tell me why we've got process. We focus a lot on our
they were quite capable. They this position and what's there." process. I would say I probably
didn't need the same sort of because we're trying to risk spend more time now on
continued oversight, and we manage the firm, so we're kind culture building and on trying
wanted them to focus on of a second layer of risk to develop the firm and our
building the business just as we management to their own risk next generation of talent. In
were. management. reality, for a firm to be
successful you have to create
We felt that creating these virtuous circles. We're
diversification by strategy and very disciplined. We have a
having people who were "It all depends on your good team. We have good
focused on their individual culture. We have great
businesses was the right way own DNA. Self- investors. We've been
to build our overall business. If investing for the long term. All
you look at why most awareness is a really this stuff has been built up over
managers get frustrated in the time, and it's self-reinforcing.
important quality to
investment industry it's But you also have to adapt
because, as you get bigger and have, as is humility." constantly.
as you scale, you move from
picking securities to running I look at the markets today
the business. That can end up and I look at the sheer amount
taking 30% - 40% of your time. Today we have ten strategies. of information that's thrown at
Guys like us, who like to look We sit on the investment us. I look at all this algorithmic
at stocks and companies. don't committees for our private trading and the impact that has
like reviewing the HR policy. equity and real estate on the market. You better be
the vacation policy. strategies. Any illiquid-type very aware of what's going on
compensation system, etc. But investments need to go and how it's going to change
those are all things you have to through an investment and what the implications are
deal with: your interviewing committee process. We spend for you and your business.
policy, your training policy, and a lot of time today on our Those are issues we talk about
all those operational issues. investment research process a great deal.
Today with all the regulation and how to improve it. How
and compliance it can be a full do we improve our decision : One element of the
time job in its own right. making? How do we do better MSD philosophy that comes
with data management? What's through in a lot of your
We want to find really good going on in the markets right interviews and writings is a
investors and remove the now and how are we certain contrarian streak. Are
distraction of running the positioned for it? Are we too there sectors or areas of the
business from them, so all they exposed in one sector? Are investment world where you
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feel like you have a contrarian real estate get hit. What will different years. Let me focus
view currently? be the flow through in office, on a private deal we did.
multi-family. and industrial? We're one of the big investors
JP: I like to call it independent You want to look into where in IndyMac Bank now called
thinking as opposed to there's a lack of liquidity or OneWest which was recently
contrarianism. We really try to mispricing. Is part of the recent sold to CIT (CIT). In 1990.
be as independent in our equity market volatility due to when 1 was with Zell. we were
thought as possible. I don't Middle East Sovereign Wealth looking at RTC banks, and I
want to get into a lot of Funds taking their money out remember the Basses made a
specific investments and what of equities? fortune on American Savings.
we're doing right now—that is IndyMac/OneWest was an
for paying customers—but we On the topic of good investment we did
try to look for big dislocations. businesses, when Rainwater phenomenally well on. and 1
We try to look for places that asked you what was the best think that was a combination
other people are running from business ever seen you of good underwriting, good
or people don't like. Zell used answered parking garages in management, and a compelling
to always say. "I like to look New York City. With the risk/reward. Buying a bank in
for trouble." I think that's benefit of 20-plus years of the first quarter of 2009 was
something we try to do. as investing now, would you not a really easy thing to do.
well. change your answer? We're looking for very good
businesses with strong
We try to think about the long JP: Well at that time I didn't management teams and very
term implications of things and know a lot about companies defensible moats.
how they're going to turn out. and businesses. I just hadn't
That's something that we looked at that many. But it's Eddie Lampert is
spend a lot of time on. Take, really not that hard of a famous for using case studies
for example. the sustainability business when you think about and studying historically
of a company or business it. It's pretty defensible and you successful investments to
model. Today, competitive get the benefit of an increased develop pattern recognition.
moats are getting smaller and value in real estate over time, Were you part of this effort at
smaller and competition similar to car dealers, for ESL and did any investments
tougher and tougher. Trying to example. There's a lot of that you made rely on this
find really good businesses that inherent value in the real pattern recognition?
can continue to compound at estate there. I would probably
high levels is really hard. You answer the same way again. JP: Yes, I was. Pattern
have to really think through all I've seen some other great recognition can mean different
the risks out there and their businesses, but when you're things to different people. The
implications. That's what I put on the spot like that you bottom line is this: good
mean by independent thinking. have to think on your feet companies, just like managers.
Is there a company or business pretty quickly, and that's the have to experiment. You have
immune from technology risk? one that occurred to me at to constantly test new things.
Maybe railroads, cement? that time. Sometimes that 30%
Think about it. probability case shows up and
Could you talk about you lose $0.25 of earnings or
I think there could be some investments that you've been you make a bad investment
pretty good opportunities in involved with at MSD that and people just kill the stock. It
energy as that is a space which would qualify? doesn't mean your business or
has been decimated. We have the company is dead or that
been analyzing debt securities JP: We've had a number of it's a bad business. When I was
in a number of energy. metals, investments that have gone at ESL I can think of four or
and mining companies. We're extremely well. Because I am a five companies that we bought
also trying to understand the big believer in pattern two or three times over the
knock-on effects of the energy recognition and we have
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