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Page 1 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO.: 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, -vs- JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 VIDEOTAPED COMPULSORY MEDICAL EVALUATION OF JANE DOE NO. 6 Monday, November 23,,2009 9:18 - 5:29 p.m. 250 Australian Avenue Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FPR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Services PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Becton ns (601461-976-2534) b5cb7 EFTA00723681 EFTA00723682  Pace .- 1 APPEARANCES: 1 right? 2 On behalf of the Plaintiff: 2 A. Uh-huh. , 3 JESSICA D. ARBOLR, ESQUIRE 3 Q. Okay. This is not an endurance MERMELSTEIN & HOROWITZ, P.A. 4 competition. And I know your lawyer has mentioned 4 18205 Biscayne Boulevard Suite 2218 5 this to you too, ifs going to be a long day, but at 5 Miami, Florida 33160 6 any tine if you need to take a break, smoke a Phone: 305.931.2200 7 cigarette, get some water, use the restroom, not a 6 E mail: [email protected] 8 problem. 7 9 We usually break at around noon-ish, 10 one-ish to get some lunch and then well come back. 9 ALSO PRESENT: 10 11 We'll be doing some testing throughout the day too. 11 Dr. Ryan Hall, M.D. 12 We may break that up in between kind of the talking. 12 Sascha Quimby, Videographer 13 All right. Any questions, comments, concerns before Visual Evidence, Incorporated 14 we start? 13 15 A. (Witness shakes head.) 14 16 Q. No. Okay. In general, I will kind of 15 16 17 start with your background and go forward. 17 18 Sometimes I will ask for dates that may be hard to 18 19 remember the exact date. 19 20 A. Yeah. 20 21 Q. Feel free to ballpark. Just kind of let 21 22 me know, around, I think, roughly. If I need 22 23 23 anything more specific, we'll try and narrow it 24 24 down. 25 25 A. Okay. Page 3 Page 5 1 EXAMINATION 1 Q. So, for example I ask about how old your 2 2 parents are, I have been getting a lot of, well, I 3 THE VIDEOORAPHER: You're all set, Doctor. 3 think they're in their early 50s. That's good 4 DR. HALL: All right. Thank you. 4 enough. 5 BY DR. HALL: 5 A. Parents do not talk about their age very much 6 Q. Okay. And you're going to be filling this 6 and you forget after a while. • 7 stuff out yourself, so — 7 Q. After a while, yeah. This is being 8 I think they just started the camera, so 8 recorded as you know so I would ask that you speak 9 again I will introduce myself. My name is Dr. Hall. 9 10 I have been asked to see you in regards to a 10 A. Okay. 11 lawsuit. So this is what we call a forensic 11 Q. So the transcriptionist can hear you. 12 independent medical evaluation. 12 A. I am a little nervous so. 13 Anything you tell me may end up in my 13 Q. I tatderstand, and we'll just kind of take 14 report. And I think a copy goes to your lawyer, the 14 our time and go slow and see how things go. 15 lawyers who retained me which are representing 15 A. All right. 16 Mr. Epstein, the judge may or may not read it, I 16 Q. Before I start, your name again is? 17 don't know exactly how all that works But just so 17 A. Jane Doe No. 6. 18 you're aware whatever you tell me could end up in 18 Q. Doe. Okay, just making sure I am seeing 19 the report Usually when we see a doctor, there is 19 who I thought I was. When were you born? 20 the expectation of confidentiality. It doesn't 20 A. Vineland, New Jersey. 21 apply to this situation. 21 Q. Violent, New Jersey? 22 All right. Also, 1 am not going to be 22 A. V-i-n-el-a-n-d. 23 taking on treatment responsibilities for you. So, I 23 Q. Vineland, New Jersey. Okay. What is your 24 am not going to be treating you, making 24 date of birth? '25 recommendations, seeing you in the future. All 25 A. 9/3/90. I 2 (Pages 2 to 5) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC.. . Electronically signed by cynthls hopkIns (601.0614764934) blkb74313-claea-4bc1-a5eb46350b265754 EFTA00723683  Page 6 1 Q. Okay. All right. Were there any problems 1 that and we don't ask. 2 with your birth? Were you born early, born late, 2 Q. Was there ever any instances of domes!is 3 premature, did you need to stay in the hospital 3 violence between your mother and your father? 4 after you were born? 4 A. (Witness shakes head.) 5 A. I don't think so. I think I was jaundiced, 5 Q. And again to the best of your knowledge 6 but that's it. 6 was there ever any concern that one of them may have 7 Q. No time in the what we would call the 7 been having an affair or being inappropriate? 8 pediatric intensive care unit — 8 A. No. When they split up, they, you know, I 9 A. No. 9 guess, curiosity, they went their separate ways and you 10 Q. — or neonatal? Born in a hospital? 10 'mow but — 11 A. Yes. 11 Q. But while they were living together — 12 Q. Okay. Did you meet your normal kind of 12 A. Yes. 13 developmental milestones such as like walking and 13 Q. — and once they've been back together, 14 talking and — 14 there's been no issues of that? 15 A. (Witness nods head.) 15 A. No. 16 Q. Any significant childhood illnesses? 16 Q. Okay. 17 A. No. 17 A. During their separation is when they -- 18 Q. Can you tell me about your parents? 18 Q. May have dated others? 19 A. My dad is from Cuba. My mom was born here, 19 A. Yes. 20 but was raised in Puerto Rico. 20 Q. Okay. And you think the separation was. 21 Q. Okay. 21 has only been for two or three months? 22 A. She moved to New Jersey when she was an early 22 A. I'm not sure — 23 teen. My dad moved — came when he was like ten, came 23 Q. That's the ballpark area. 24 to New Jersey, and my parents met when they were like 24 A. I'm not really sure because their divorce 25 20. 25 like, you know, strung out for a long time. Page 7 Page 1 Q. Okay. 1 Q. Okay. 2 A. I want to say around there. 2 A. Like a year or something but — 3 Q. What ethnic background do you consider 3 Q. Okay. 4 yourself? 4 A. They were in and out of each other's lives I 5 A. Pm Puerto Rican and Cuban. 5 guess. 6 Q. Okay. 6 Q. Okay. Were you living with therm at the 7 A So Spanish, Hispanic 1 guess. 7 time? . 8 Q. Okay. Did your parents marry? 8 A. Yeah. I was living with my mom and I would go 9 A. Yeah. 9 see my dad on weekends. 10 Q. Okay. How long have they been married, or 10 Q. Okay. How old were you when this 11 any divorces or it's hard to tell nowadays. 11 happened? 12 A. Well, they got divorced in '96 or in '97 12 A. Like six, seven, around that area. 13 something. But they are still together. They are going 13 Q. Was this hard on you or... 14 on 25 years I think. 14 A. I still sec both my parents. It was hard on 15 Q. Okay. 15 my dad, but that's why they got back together. He 16 A. Because my brother is 23, and they waited a 16 wanted to see us more. 17 couple of years to have a child so — 17 Q. How old is mom? 18 Q. Okay. And how old are you? 18 A. My mom is 45. 19 A. I'm 19. 19 Q. Okay. And how old is dad? 20 Q. Nineteen. Okay. So, they are divorced 20 A. My dad's 45 and he will be 46 in January. 21 but still living in the same house? 21 Q. Mom in good physical health? 22 A. Yes. They, they only separated for a couple 22 A. (Witness nods head.) 23 of months but moved back in together after the divorce. 23 Q. Any history or any problems of psychiatric 24 Q. Do you know why they separated? 24 issues or see a therapist, counselor? 05======ik ti ey don't usuallyvara tell kids stuff Mee 25 A. No, I don't think so. 3 (Pages 6 to 9) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Ebotronically signed by cynthis bobbins (6014614764934) b5cb743b-doe6.4bc1-a5eb-16350b255754 EFTA00723684  Page 10 Page 12 1 Q. What's mom do for a living? 1 Q. You mentioned a brother, how many siblings 2 A. My mom was an insurance agent, but since 2 do you have? 3 everything, you know, slowed down, she lost her job. 3 A. I have one brother. He's 23. 4 Q. Sorry to hear that. 4 Q. Okay. All right. And what's he up to? 5 A. Since the economy has slowed down and stuff, 5 A. Lost I guess you could say. He is still 6 she lost her job, you know. 6 living at my mom's house so"— 7 Q. Right Sony. No. I said I am sorry to 7 Q. Okay. hear she lost her job. 8 A. You know, brothers and sisters don't really 9 A. Oh, I thought you couldn't hear me, sorry. 9 get along so we don't really talk. He does his own 10 Q. That's all right. 10 thing and — 11 A. Yeah. 11 Q. How is his physical health right now? 12 Q. Okay. How is she doing with being 12 A. He's fine. Just doesn't want to go to school 13 unemployed? 13 or is finding himself. 14 A. She's started filling out job applications and 14 Q. And any psychiatric problems? 15 stuff, but unemployment gave her an extension so she's 15 A. No. 16 trying. 16 Q. The extended family aunts, uncles. 17 Q. Okay. So, she's looking for work? 17 cousins, things like that, grandparents, any with 18 A. Yeah. 18 any significant medical history? 19 Q. What's dad do? 19 A. What do you mean as medical history as in like 20 A. My dad is a construction worker. He works a 20 mental history — 21 loader. 21 Q. Usually I ask the mental separate but 22 Q. Okay. Is that stable employment or has he 22 cancers? 23 also been affected by the downturn? 23 A. Okay. 24 A. Yeah. He's on and off. They, the most recent 24 Q. Heart failure? 25 work he had to leave to North Carolina. 25 A. Yeah. My, my grandma, my dad's mom she died Page 11 Page 13 Q. Okay. 1 of breast cancer. So the girls in my family have on my A. And there is no work down here but since he 2 dad's side a risk of getting breast cancer. My came back, he's been back for like two weeks now and he 3 grandfather or my, my mom's dad, he had diabetes and hasn't had no work. 4 yeah, he died last year. No, actually this might have 5 Q. Okay. Is he in good health? 5 been early this year. But he was in a nursing home for A. I don't know. My dad is like, the last time 6 a while. They knew, you know that, you know, he had a 7 he's been to the doctor was like the 80's. You know, he 7 problem, that it wasn't, it was getting to be his end. 8 doesn't believe in somebody sicking him with a needle or 8 But my grandma had high blood pressure and she died from 9 something, so he doesn't go to doctors. 9 a heart attack. 10 Q. Okay. 10 Q. Is that morn's dad with the breast cancer? 11 A. But he won't get sick a lot or, youlasow, I 11 A. My mom's -- 12 have -- so I would say looking at him, you know. 12 Q. Mom's mother? 13 Q. So, you're not aware of any health 13 A. No. My, my dad's mom has had breast cancer. 14 problems - 14 Q. Okay. 15 A. Yeah, no. 15 A. And then my mom's parents are deceased. 16 Q. -- like high blood pressure — 16 Q. Okay. 17 A. No, no? 17 A. And that's her dad had diabetes and my, her 18 Q. or diabetes or cancer — 18 room had high blood pressure. 19 A. Yeah, no. 19 Q. Okay. And passed away from a heart 20 Q. or anything like that? Has he had any 20 attack? 21 history of any psychiatric problems? 21 A. Yes. 22 A. No. 22 Q. Okay. 23 Q. And never saw a therapist, counselor, or 23 A. And my uncle has now - he is still living. 24 been on medicines? 24 He has sorosis of the liver, but it's from a bad blood 25 A. (Witness shakes head.) 25 transfusion in the early Ws or something. -.- 4 (Pages 10 to 13) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthia hopkIns (601-0514064934) bleb74 ae6-4bc t-a5ob 16350b255Y54 EFTA00723685  Page 14 Page 16 3. Q. Okay. And again, if you know, that's 1 you know. I know that because my dad comes over a lot. 2 tune, if you don't know that's okay too. I am 2 But I mean, he has, he does drink every other day, that 3 guessing Hepatitis C though? 3 you know, not every day but, you blow, more than usual. 4 A. Yeah. 4 Q. Okay. And how much would he drink at a 5 Q. Okay. And then the next question, anybody 5 time? 6 in the family have any history of any mental health 6 A. Maybe like a six pack. 7 problems? 7 Q. And what does the six pack do to him? 8 A. I don't think so. My cousin tried to, I 8 A. He's a happy drunk. He don't even, you 9 guess, eat a bottle of aspirin or something one time 9 know -- he might fall asleep on my couch or something, 10 but — 10 but other than that he don't argue. He don't fight. He 11 Q. Okay. 11 usually keeps to himself outside. You /mow, he likes to 12 A. — you know, she's just a distant cousin 12 play with my dog and be outside by the fire and stuff 13 but — 13 so, he -- 14 Q. And just to make sure I understand this, 14 Q. What type of dog do you have? 15 she wasn't like three at the time and just got into 15 A. I have a blue-nose pit. 16 it? 16 Q. I am not familiar with that one, a 17 A. No. 17 blue-nose what? 18 Q. This was — 18 A. A blue-nose pit-bull. 19 A. She was 19, I think. 19 Q. Okay. 20 Q. Okay. 20 A. She's a, her coat is -- well, her mother's 21 A. About, that's all because my aunt and uncles 21 coat is gray with kind of like, you could say a blue 22 are very Christian and, you know, so... 22 tint to it. So, she's black with a blue tint to her. 23 Q. Okay. 23 Q. How are pit-bulls as a pet? I mean you 24 A. I don't think so. My mom gets headaches but 24 hear about them in the news and stuff. 25 she's get a prescription from that. She works at a 25 A. They are good dogs, if you train them -- I Page 15 Page 17 1 doctor's office, but I don't really ask questions like 1 mean, they arc protective, they — you know, to bark and 2 that, so I don't know what that is from. 2 she's never bitten anyone, you know. I've had — she's 3 Q. Fair enough. Okay. So, there was one 3 seven months old now. I've had her since she was 1 distant cousin who may have tried suicide? 4 almost, you know, two months old or whatever and she's A. Yeah. 5 never bit nobody. 6 Q. Any history of substance use or alcohol 6 I have a bad cat problem. This cat keeps 7 problems in the family? 7 coming in my garden and stuff. And my cat, or my 8 A. My dad drinks. 8 dog doesn't chase her or nothing. She just looks at 9 Q. Okay. 9 her and tries to smell her, but she's a good dog. 10 A. My mom not too much, like you know, occasional 10 My son doesn't like animals whatsoever. 11 beer on the weekend or something, you know. 11 Q. Okay. 12 Q. Okay. 12 A. So, you know, so -- but she's been around 13 A. When my parents were younger, they 13 other kids, you know, but my son, he won't go near no 14 experimented, you would say. 14 kinds of animals. I don't know why, but he's scared of 15 Q. Okay. 15 them. 16 A. When my mom got pregnant with my brother she 16 Q. And how old is your son? 17 stopped completely experimenting or anything. My dad, a 17 A. He's two. Well, he will be two in March so 18 couple years back might have smoked some weed. 18 Re 20 months. 19 Q. Okay. 19 Q. Twenty months. And how's he doing? 20 A. But he recently had been to get, you know, a 20 A. He's good. 21 job since it's so hard, they were Eking people. They 21 Q. And any significant health problems with 22 have been really keeping up on the drug testing stuff. 22 him or complications or... 23 So as far as I know he's not doing nothing. But I mean, 23 A. No. 24 you know, a little, you know, he's not like hard core 24 Q. And he is walking and talking and doing 25 like going to get cocaine off the street or something, 25 all the things -- iNtean.124.4Astatiantfi-Sear.4.4.41..t, 1 5 (Pages 14 to 17) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Ebtatronleally signed by eyr4his hopkins (8014514764034) blkb743b. 1 al36-41 1-a5e1PIA.157 EFTA00723686  Page 1 Page 20 1 A. Yeah. 1 are religious, were you raised going to church? 2 Q. that a two year old should be doing? 2 A. No. They tried. My, my dad is a Jehovah 3 A. Yeah. 3 .Witness. 4 Q. I think you kind of already answered this 4 Q. okay. 5 but I will just ask it again to make sure it's S A. And my mom's side was Christian or Catholic. 6 clear. AS far as you know, no exposure to anything 6 So, yeah, they clash with how they were going to raise 7 while you're MOM was pregnant with you? 7 is I guess, so we didn't go to church. 8 A. No. 8 Q. Okay. 9 Q. Okay. And dad's never struck you — 9 A. My dad doesn't — before he was drinking, he, 10 A. No. 10 you know, was going to church a little bit but it faded. 11 Q. Mom had problems when he was drinking 11 Q. Do you go to church now or... 12 where he lost his job? 12 A. No. 13 A. No, no. 13 Q. Okay. How were you disciplined as a child 14 Q. DU1's, anything like that? 14 growing up? 15 A. No. 15 A. I was grounded. 16 Q. How long has he been doing about a six 16 Q. Okay. 17 pack every other day? 17 A. TV privileges taken, in my room with nothing. 18 A. Man, ifs been a while. Maybe since I was 18 Q. And what would you get grounded for? What 19 like 16. 19 type of things? 20 Q. Sixteen? 20 A. Out past my curfew. They said be in before 21 A. Fifteen. You know, my mom and my parents 21 the streetlights came on. My mom would tell me not to 22 don't even sleep in the same bed together no more. i 22 use my bike or something, and I would take it. Tell her 23 guess they just — they still talk. They don't, you 23 I wanted to go somewhere when she told me no, and I 24 know, fight, but I guess they don't want to be next — 24 would tell her yes, and you know kids stuff. 25 he passes out and he sweats beer and, you know, she just 25 Q. How was your family dynamic growing up? I Page 19 Page 21 1 doesn't want him in her bed I guess. So, they dealt 1 mean good family, bad family, did you get along with 2 sleep in the same bed. But i guess he drinks, so he 2 your parents? 3 don't have to be around her. I mean 25 years of 3 A. Yeah, I guess. My, me and my mom got along. 4 marriage how, you know. They're not even married but -- 4 When I was a little, little kid, I was attached to my 5 25 years together, I guess get sick of a person after a 5 dad. i was more It a tomboy. But as i started 6 while. 6 becoming a teenager, I was more, you know, my mom, 7 Q. It's -- they're doing better than the 7 shopping and cooking and stuff. I 8 national average. Q. And i was just noticing your jacket. Do 9 A. They're trying. 9 you like hunting and things like that or... 10 Q. How was your childhood growing up? 10 A. Ifs my dad's. 11 A. It was all right. 11 Q. Okay. I apologize. I am a little bit of 12 Q. What did you lilce to do as a child? 12 a slow writer, so I sometimes stop. 13 A. I used to ride my bike a lot. I don't know, 13 A. It's all right. 14 play games with kids. I lived in this neighborhood. 14. Q. Okay. And I know we're here due to 15 There is a park in the neighborhood. And next door I 15 Epstein, so I am aware °tannic bit of what 16 used to go there a lot and ride my bike and skate and 16 happened there. But outside of that incident, have 17 stuff. I used to do a lot of outdoor stuff. 17 you ever been physically, sexually, or emotionally 18 Q. Skate as in roller skates or skateboard? 18 abused? 19 A. No. I used to have the four wheel skates, the 19 A. No. 20 old ones. 20 Q. Okay. How was school for you? 21 Q. Not the inline? 21 A. All right. When I got In middle school I 22 A. No, no. 22 started to get in fights and back talking teachers and, 23 Q. Did you have a lot of friends growing up? 23 yeah, dress node, and I guess you know teenage stuff, 24 A. Yeah. 24 rebelling. 25 Q. I know you mentioned your aunts and uncles 25 Q. How old were you when you started middle 6 (Pages 18 to 21) PROSE COURT REPORTING. AGENCY, INC. c ron ca y worm y cyn ta °plans (601-051.976.2934) bSeb743b-dao6-4bc1-aSeb-16350b255764 EFTA00723687  Page Gr Page 24 1 school? 1 little kid stuff. 2 A. Twelve or 13, around there, because I didn't 2 Q. I mean, what were they saying? 3 start school until I was Lice six. 3 A. I don't really remember. I mean, lace, oh, 4 Q. Okay. 4 she liked her boyfriend or you like him or I like him, 5 A. Something like that. I was a late. 5 or. 6 Q. Okay. So, were, you were kind ofone of 6 Q. Okay. 7 the oldest kids in the class usually? 7 A. I mean like. 8 A. Yeah. 8 Q. So, it would be over guys usually? 9 Q. Were you in any special education classes? 9 A. Yeah. Lilco, you know, girl stuff. 10 A. My fourth and fifth grade year, speech. I 10 Q. Yeah. I may not be aware of what girl 11 have a bad problem with my S's. 11 stuffis, so I am not trying to be funny here. So 12 Q. Okay. 12 again, if -- and again different people have 13 A. I still do. 13 different things they argue with and stuff, so but 14 Q. Was this a speech therapy type thing? 14 what your experience is is what I am interested in. 15 A. Yeah. And I did it in sixth grade but... 15 Did you ever need to go to a hospital due 16 Q. Were you ever diagnosed with, I hate the 16 to a fight you were in? 17 word disorder, but a learning disorder? 17 A. No. 18 A. No. 18 Q. Did anybody you fought with ever need to 19 Q. A like dyslexia or 19 go to a hospital or got medical attention? 20 A. No. 20 A. I don't know. They might have been bleeding. 21 Q. — not being able to add or anything like 21 I don't know if they - 22 that? 22 Q. Okay. 23 A. No, no. 23 A. -- got medical attention, because once I was 24 Q. And you could learn to read okay? 24 pulled off of them or we broke each other up, I went one 25 A. Yeah. I mean, I would forget about, you know, 25 way and the other person went to another office, you Page 23 Page 25 1 like I could read a page and like not remember, you 1 know. 2 know, what I just read sometimes and have to go back and 2 Q. Okay. 3 reread it, so... 3 A. So — 4 Q. Okay. 4 Q. And do you remember how old you were when 5 A. Maybe I might have, but I, you know, I never 5 that fight occurred? 6 found it -- 6 A. I had a lot of fights. My first year in sixth 7 Q. Okay. 7 grade, more fights then because I was in sixth grade a A. It was a problem. 8 twice so — 9 Q. And when you would write, you'd never 9 Q. Okay. Why did you repeat sixth grade? 10 reversed letters or -- 10 A. The fighting. And I was always in the — they 11 A. No, definitely not. 11 had a, it was a grade office, so 1 was in the sixth 12 Q. Were you ever suspend or expelled from 12 grade office and not in class where I was supposed to 13 school? 13 be. So, I would get zero's or, you know, stuff like 14 A. Yeah, I was suspended -- 14 that so I failed. 15 Q. What for? 15 Q. And the time you had to be pulled off 16 A. a lot. Fighting. 16 someone, was that your first time in sixth grade or 17 Q. Okay. 17 your second time in sixth grade? 18 A. I wouldn't go to detention and detention leads 18 A. It was my first time. 19 to Saturday, Saturday school. Saturday school, if you 19 Q. Did you ever use a weapon or take a weapon 20 don't go, it's three days in-school suspension. If you 20 to school? 21 get thrown out of there, there is suspension. So, yeah, 21 A. Unit-tmh. 22 I had a lot of those. 22 Q. Did you ever get knocked out in any of 23 Q. Okay. Who would you fight? 23 these fights? 24 A. Random, like, girls that I had problems with. 24 A. Yeah. I have gotten, my, I got my own couple 25 I don't know. I mean, he said, she said, you know, 25 of times, you know. A handful of times. I could say , CIFW1•1•1“.6 , ...Vidi}e40.4.0•••2 7 (Pages 22 to 25) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthle hopkIns (801481478.2934) bee0743trdae6-4bel-a5ob46350b 6575 EFTA00723688  Page 26 Page 1 the same amount that, you know, half of than fights I 1 2 didn't win, you know. 2 A. There was, a lot of kids would go to either 3. Q. Okay. So, I mean these sound like serious 3 Wendy's because it's right down the block or between 4 fights. This wasn't just — 4 pavilions. They are never inside the school, you know, 5 A. I mean — 5 like, by lockers or where teachers could get, you 6 Q. slapping a little bit and pushing into 6 know — 7 a locker? Q. Involved? 8 A. I mean, no. I mean, like I might have been in 8 A. Yeah. like three, throe fights that there was actually like 9 Q. Okay. I mean, was this like how they 10 bleeding. 10 showed in the movies where somebody would pass you a 11 Q. Okay. 11 note and say be at Wendy's at 3:30 or else or... 12 A. But I mean like, one of them the girl came up 12 A. No. They would tell somebody else and 13 to me and like was in my face and pushed me. And I was 13 somebody else would, you know — 14 lice, you know. For some reason a lot of girls, like 14 Q. Set up the time? 15 when I was going to school, like to wear rings and 15 A. Yeah. 16 jewelry and like really, you know, now that I think 16 Q. So, you would go knowing that a fight was 17 about it, you know, kids are really brutal but, you 17 going to happen? 18 know. I was one of those, you know, kids that — I 18 A. Yeah. 19 would have -- I mean, it's only a couple of times but... 19 Q. Okay. And did you ever initiate one of 20 Q. Okay. 20 these like meetings or — 21 A. I guess I didn't want to be the one that 21 A. I don't really think so. I don't know. I 22 didn't, you know, have rings on her fingers that, you 22 mean, most of the fights that I started wore outside the 23 know, had my face, you know, all messed up because I 23 school because my mom would always pick me up at Wendy's 24 have had those times that, you know — 24 25 Q. Where people would hit you and they 25 Q. Yeah. Did you ever tell any teachers Page 27 Page 29 1 would -- 1 about this? 2 A. Yeah. 2 A. Teachers started getting smart to it because 3 Q. — have ring and you would get cut? 3 they got their own little golf cart and started riding 4 A. Yeah. I have a couple knots or scars on my 4 the sidewalk, or there was some, some woods with the 5 forehead from them. 5 trail next to the school and they used to go in there 6 Q. Okay. 6 and by to beat the kids to Wendy's before, you know, 7 A. And then like down here and stuff, you know. 7 the rest of, before the whole group got there and, you 8 I have my own scars from, you know, and I guess you 8 know, a fight broke out. 9 could say I learned from whatever fight that I had 9 Q. Okay. But you never, like, told the 10 previous to that and... 10 teacher or security officer anything that was going 11 Q. Okay. And you -- when I say ;mocked out, 11 on or that you were worried there was going to be a 12 I moan like down on the ground cold, not moving. 12 fight or anything like that? 13 don't remember what happened, unconscious. 13 A. I wasn't the only person that, you know, was 14 A. No, l mean — 14 starting these fights, these fights that were in the 15 Q. Is that what you mean by knocked out or 15 woods. 16 what, what's your? 16 Q. Okay. Sounds Ince it was a rough middle 17 A. — like I was, there is times that I was on. 17 school? 18 the floor and somebody was on top of me just punching me 18 A. Yeah. I mean it's not as bad as it is now. 19 in my face, or you know, it was the other way around or 19 There's kids that bring guns to school and stuff but -- 20 you know. I mean, I have never passed out during a 20 Q. Okay. Were you ever fearful for your life 21 fight or had somebody else passed out during a fight. I 21 while you lived there? 22 got knocked down and was like get in my face almost into 22 A. No. 23 the concrete, you know, kind of... 23 Q. No one ever made like death threats 24 Q. Okay. Would these fights occur like in 24 against you or anything like that? 25 the hallways or would this be after-school stuff 25 A. No. We would fight but not like kids now like 8 Pa es 26 to 29 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by cynthla hopkIns (601461.976.2934) b5tb743b-dac6-4bc1-a5o 6350b25 7 EFTA00723689  Page 30 Page 32 1 when they shoot-up the cam or somebody's house, because 1 skipping and not going to school and stuff. So, 2 like a girl that they like, little kid stuff. It's not, 2 they had me go to this, it's Excel or something. 3 it wasn't like that growing up. 3 It's an alternative school on South Shore. I don't 4 Q. Did you have any problems with truancy or 4 remember what it was called, but ifs like a 5 just not going to school? 5 Roosevelt Full Service that they have down here. 6 A. I had, one time they picked me up, but it was 6 Q. I'm not familiar with Roosevelt Full 7 bogus. It wasn't even like the real truancy because 7 Service. .8 they kicked me out of school. They told me to leave, 8 A. They, they take dropouts and like, you know, '9 that I was disruptive. 9 disruptive kids that are on Tamarind and I think like 10 Q. Okay. 10 6th or 2nd or something. 11 A. Yeah. 11 Q. And what was the name of that school 12 Q. How were you disruptive? 12 again? 13 A. Talking, you know, passing notes. I mean, 13 A. Roosevelt Full Service. 14 girl stuff. 14 Q. Okay. 15 Q. Okay. !mean — 15 A. And I don't, I don't even think 1 went one 16 A. That couldn't waft. 16 day. The school was in a bad, bad neighborhood. They 17 Q. Okay. If it was getting to the point 17 were hike, like I was going through the airport, you 18 where you were getting kicked out, that may go 18 know, metal detector my legs, make me take off my shoes. 19 beyond normal kind of girl stuff. So that's why Pm 19 I could, I could only bring a folder. And I can't,I 20 asking. 20 have to bring a certain kind of pencil, you know, 21 A. You know, I didn't stop and say, you know, 21 because they thought people were going to stab each 22 they take the note away, obviously, I wanted to say what 22 other with them. So, yeah, definitely did not go to 23 I just said, so I would write it back and do it again or 23 that school, no. So, I was around 16 or 15 around 24 just keep talking while they are trying to teach and -- 24 there, and I just stopped going to school. 25 Q. Okay. 25 Q. So, just to make sure I got this straight Page 31 Paae 33 1 A. Just not -- 1 you went to, was it Oakville? 2 Q. And I apologize, I may have asked this 2 A. No. I went to three different schools, 3 already, but did you ever get into a fight with a 3 Okeeheelee. teacher or authority figure? 4 Q. How do you spell that? A. No. I mean, they, they snatched my, like, my 5 A. O-k-e-e-h-e-e-1-e-e. a pictures or my books or like have notebooks or stuff, 6 g Okeeheelee. Okay. And you did that for 7 they would take it from my desk. But I have never 7 your sixth grade year? a physically touched them to get it back or like I tell 8 A. Yeah. My first sixth grade year. 9 them to give it back to me, but never works that way. 9 Q. And that was a rough school where you got 10 Q. Okay. So, you may gotten into verbal 10 into a lot of fights? 11 arguments with the teachers •- 11 A. Uh-huh, yes. 12 A. Yeah. 12 Q. And then your parents kind of changed 13 Q. -- but never struck them? 13 their address and moved a bit and then you went to 14 A. No, no. 14 Je