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From: J <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 2:30 PM To: Noam Chomsky Subject: Re: i suggest re mediation that it not get bogged down i= details. thats their trick . , stay a=ove the fray, ie lets cut the bullshit. and ask harry how much=of your money does he believe he deserves. . and that wo=ld be my only sentence repeated over and over. 4>=A0 re conciousness., I have yet to hear a cogent a=swer to the question of why putting someone in solitary confinement ,40=A0 has such strong mental reactions . moving a plant or chair =r computer into a closed room has no effect. why d= people hallucinate , talk to themselves. etc. there is almost=no work done on the subject as irb would say no no, and prison= refuse to allow. . why having no social or at lea=t perceived social contact makes people crazy , suicidal etc. =C240 . though im told a tv or radio relieves many of the symptoms. =br> On Sat, Dec 29, 2=18 at 9:24 AM Noam Chomsky <mailto » wrote: Interesting perspective. Perhaps we c=n look at it sort of like this. The way our minds work, it de=elops constructs to try to accommodate our immediate experience -- like ta=le and chairs to accommodate what I'm experiencing now, manifestations=of what we take to be an external world; and comparably, norms of social a=tion and beliefs about society to accommodate what I experience in social =ife, manifestations of what we take to be a prevailing culture. If so, we're back to Bertie's picture but with=a broader range, the mind constructing an external world that consists of =ables, chairs, cultural norms,... in an effort to provide some coherence t= the flux of experience (itself a construct, so our efforts at scientific =xplanation instruct us). There's a preliminar= discussion with the mediator planned for Jan. 2, then a general mediation=session later. Will keep you up-to-date of course. Noam On =at, Dec 29, 2018 at 12:06 PM .I <[email protected] <[email protected]= target=» wrote: what i=am suggesting is that what the term culture means is the=same as what consciousness means. culture can be d=scribes as russell did for consciousness. t=e physics and math envy habit of trying to measure things . li>=A0 we experience culture, it is stubborn, transmitted,=C2* localized. contains memories. boundaries. dictum.=C24> . it manifests itself in different ways but =oesn't have a separate existence. it is like c=nsiousness a human construct. no more no less. 41=A0 btw, is a mediation date and time set. yet? 40=A0 vincent papers were good except for the amount to settle. <=r> On Sat, Dec =9, 2018 at 8:56 AM Noam Chomsky < <mailto >> wrote: EFTA_R1_01800568 EFTA02608180  Fro= the point of view of a jihadi, Klan, evangelical Christian, my ultra-orth=dox grandfather,.... it's the rest of the world that's crazy.40=A0 I think we can do better than just to take the fall-back position that =raziness is a value judgment, but not so easy. On consc=ousness, my suspicion is that we'll never do much better than Russell&=39;s picture: what we understand with highest confidence is our own immedi=te conscious experience. The rest of our intellectual efforts (scien=e especially) are an attempt to make sense of that (and in the course of d=ing so, instructs us that our experience is a construct of our internal mo=es of cognition acting on an external world that we (naively?) assume to e=ist. And it also tells us, I think, that consciousness is a thin and=superficial fringe of an internal mental life that is inaccessible to intr=spection. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 11:39 AM J <[email protected]&g=; wrote: cultures swept by craziness, isnt it the=same for an individual. . . the brain sends signals based on f=ulty sensors or information. . to see if the brain is fu=ctioning. there are word tests. memory tests. etc. =C240 . why isnt conciousness the property of those things. li=e culture is to fads etc. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 8:O9 AM Noam Chomsky < > wrote:=br> Cultures unfortunately can be swept by craziness. Nazism for exampl=. Or the Great Awakening. We're in one of those phases now= If there's a charge, it's true, in fact True. Any res=onse is "mansplaining," another power play, reinforcing the char=e. You've seen I'm sure what happened to Lawrence. Ful= and complete response, amounts to zero. Isn't even considered.=C2* It's like trying to discuss rationally with religious fanatics.<=iv> Noam On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:41AM J <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]» wrote: =s the stories get wilder and the writers make the girls younger.Q=A0 prostitution is a tabloid s dream , . I w=ndered if having something out in the cyber world that let some peop=e point to rational arguments might allow some to defend themselves =rom their wives . " how could you " etc. =C24> I have =een exploring the Al world with the cutting edge people. I rem=nd them of your comments re machines thinking :)/ =C24> I thought that culture was the conciou=ness of a society. tribes were like self. . =edia approx transmitters. . It provided constraint= and rules for some underlying interactions. It doesn= exist in a physical sense but either does conciousness.=C240 which it appears to me as an evolutionary advantage and =rovides the brain with rules memories. ( culture again ) .4>=A0 and constraints. . tribes when attacked , act like a=self . . compete like selves. etc. The world we call ph=sical . follows rules that we have created, most unknowingly. = I assume language acts like an effective transmittier. = some language like adrenaline. some like dopamine.Q=A0 . do some extent the hormones of the culture. ? 40=A0 2 EFTA_R1_01800569 EFTA02608181  On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 7:20 AM Noam Chomsky < =>> wrote: It's a powerful and convincing statement, but my feeling=is that it would not be wise to submit it for publication. Taking th= stance of a reader who comes to the matter from afresh, perhaps having he=rd some rumors but knowing nothing, the reaction I suspect will be of the =quot;where there's smoke there's fire" kind. Few are wi=ling to think through the arguments and factual details or to try to adjud=cate conflicting claims. I've seen this happen over and over on =ther matters -- many years of having been accused of Holocaust denial, for=example.. Ugly and bitter as it is, I suspect the best course now is=not to stir the pot by raising the issue publicly, opening the door to cha=ges and accusations that can no doubt be answered in the court of logic an= fairness -- but that's not the public domain, where innuendo and susp=cion and accusation reign. Anyway, for what it's wo=th, that's the way it looks to me, in part on the basis of experience.=/div> The great work that you have been doing speaks fo= itself. My feeling is that you should keep at it, and simply develo= a thick skin to fend off whatever ugliness breaks through now and then, d=minishing over time. Noam On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 8:33 AM J «= href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">jeevacation@gmail=com> wrote: Im cons=dering submitting this to the oped of the wash post id like yo=r thoughts Sweetheart deal!" So goes the atta=k on the resolution of the more than a decade ago federal investigation in=olving our client Jeffrey Epstein. The attack is profoundly misplace=, supported neither by the law nor the facts. Nor is it supported by the s=ructure of our constitutional republic. To the contrary, Jeffrey was subje=ted to an extremely aggressive federal intrusion into what would typically=be considered a quintessentially local criminal matter in south Florida.=C2* The offense investigated — at its c=re, sexual favors for hire — has long been treated as a =atter entrusted to laws of the several States, not the federal government.=C240 The conduct — for which Jeffrey took fullil>=A0responsibility — was a classic state offense and was treate= exactly that way by able, honest prosecutors in Palm Beach County. =evertheless, without a request from the state prosecutors, the f=deral government intervened. For their own opportunistic reasons, ma=y are now criticizing the federal decision- makers at the time, including n=w-Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta (then-United States Attorney in south Flo=ida), for not going far enough. </=> The critics are wrong on the facts and the law. They also ign=re a fact going to the heart of fundamental fairness: In the de=ade since paying his debt to society, Jeffrey Epstein has led a life chara=terized by responsible citizenship, numerous acts of generosity and good d=eds. 3 EFTA_R1_01800570 EFTA02608182  During that intense investigation, the state prosecu=ors extensively gathered and analyzed the evidence, met face-to-face =ith many of the asserted victims, considered their credibility — o= lack thereof — and considered the extent of exculpatory evidence,=C2t ncluding sworn testimony from many that they lied about be=ng eighteen years old to be allowed into Mr. Epstein's home. =After months of negotiations, the state prosecutors believed they had reac=ed a reasoned resolution of the matter that vindicated the public interest=— a resolution entirely consistent with that of cases involving ot=er similarly-situated defendants. The system worked as it should hav=. Then, in c=me the feds. The United States Attorney's Office extensively and=aggressively investigated whether Mr. Epstein had engaged in a commercial =uman trafficking ring, targeted minors, or used the internet or trave=ed interstate in the process. But that's not what this =as and that's not what happened. That is precisely why=C2the federal authorities' ultimate decision to defer pros=cution to the state was the right one. =p class="MsoNormal"> <=span> However, the federally-demanded resolution =as not without conditions. The federal prosecutors insisted on various.=A0unorthodox requirements that Mr. Epstein's experienced defense t=am had never seen imposed on any defendant anywhere. Under the federally-f=rced deal, Jeffrey was required to request that the state prosecutors=demand the imposition of a thirty-month sentence that included both=C2*jail time and the strictest conditions of probation: lifetime se=-offender registration. Those draconian measures were far more than w=rranted by the state grand jury's indictment and would not ha=e otherwise been required under the previously agreed-upon state dispositi=n. As part of this highly unusual deal, the government required =effrey to pay for a highly experienced group of attorneys to bri=g claims against him on behalf of a government list of asserted victims. J=ffrey was required to waive the right to challenge those claims without be=ng provided the asserted victim's identities by the government unt=l after he was incarcerated. Importantly, the feds' decision to =ecline prosecution in deference to the state in exchange for theseQ=A0extraordinary requirements was reviewed and approved at the multipl= levels of the U.S. Department of Justice. Jeffrey took full re=ponsibility, complied with the feds' demands, served his sent=nce, and in the process was treated exactly the same (including his t=me served) as any other state-incarcerated individuals. His con=uct while in custody was exemplary, and so characterized by the state cust=dial authorities. <= class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:Spt">Jeffrey Epstein has paid his debt to soc=ety. The challenges to his Agreement with the Government must al=o be understood as challenges to the millions Mr. Epstein paid to the asse=ted victims and their lawyers pursuant to that agreement. Amongst the=beneficiaries of the Epstein-Federal Government Agreement were the many vi=tims who collectively received many millions as a result of the conditions=imposed on Mr. Epstein that prevented him from meaningfully contesting civ=l liability — moneys that would be at issue if requests to invalid=te the agreement were granted. Our nation faces vitally important=challenges, many involving the treatment of women and basic human dignity.=C2* Voices are rightly being raised speaking truth to power, especially =bout women in the workplace. But Jeffrey's offenses of yeste=year, which were entirely outside of the workplace, have long since been r=dressed by the criminal justice system. He fully and faithfully-has performed every promise and obligation required of him by st=te and federal authorities. In the spirit of the bedrock American be=ief in second chances and fundamental fairness, that chapter in Jeffrey Hs otherwise-productive and charitable life should be allowed to=close once and for all. 4 EFTA_R1_01800571 EFTA02608183  Ii>=A0 =lease note please note The in=ormation contained in this communication is confidential, may be attorn=y-client privileged, may constitute inside information, and is intended=only for the use of the addressee. It is the property of JEE Unau=horized use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part th=reof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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