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More Robert Gates
Ben Rhodes. Is his relationship with Obama typical?
Every president has advisors with whom they have special relationship. Those advisors tend to be very senior and experienced. Question is how much influence they have on policy process and whether listening to senior cabinet officers.
Criticism that administration tries to shape cabinet members’ views.
I never had that problem, I didn’t let them. It’s mainly staff. President Obama was always very welcoming of honest, candid point of view. He welcomed back and forth. Not sure how many people left in administration are willing to have direct issues with him like I did.
Rhodes shaped environment for Iran deal. Did you see that?
I didn’t have that sense. I always thought what they were saying would happen was a stretch but no sense people were being manipulated.
You were part of the “blob”, foreign policy establishment.
Disdainful reference to foreign policy establishment in an Obama interview. Intrigued by notion the “blob” all has one point of view which is not true, very diverse points of view. They just all have a lot of experience.
President’s characterization was the blob’s reaction is military use.
Sort of political shorthand of lumping people together and is disservice
President proud of decision not to take military action in Syria. Is that something he should be proud of?
I would separate that into two questions. Should he have laid down red line in the first place and when he did, should he have taken action? I believed he should be careful issuing ultimatums because the rest of the world must know it is not empty threat. I don’t think he should have made threat in first place. Whether should have used airpower to create safe havens or ground Assad’s air force, debatable point. Send combat forces in? Absolutely not.
How different is HRC’s worldview from Obama’s?
I haven’t seen a lot of discussion about foreign policy. My experience working with her she is tough minded. When McChrystal asking for 40,000 troops she was tough in support. She was also advocate for going into Libya. I suspect generally speaking she is more hawkish than Obama.
Does politics get in way of her judgment?
I never saw that.
Your book though, she said surge opposition political.
Senators have luxury of taking positions because they have no responsibility. I never saw her take that position, letting domestic politics influence recommendations to president in situation room.
Can she handle it?
Who will she surround herself with and what are the policy options she will pursue?
From: Miller, Lindsey
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 11:16 AM
To: Jakubiec, Matthew; Comm_D
Subject: RE: Face the Nation
Even more panel
How much is playbook totally new?
Gershon: Making an unusual message to people. Trump’s policies change all the time. He is offering to be in charge of everything. Side effect is likely to get negative elections, clash of personalities.
Both parties feel like they are having an arranged marriage.
Pace: And it’s being put off as Bernie keeps winning. You see HRC trying to reach out to his voters. Having Trump will be more of motivating factor for Sanders voters than anything else. She needs to be able to turn to general and unite party.
Page: Hard to say get out of the race, you keep winning. WV voters said they would vote for Trump over HRC.
People so fed up they want the “earthquake.”
Bouie Maybe true in GOP but I don’t think as true in Democratic Party. People want to see Obama style policies continued. Sanders has revealed generational differences but I think not that much disunity in Democratic Party. If Sanders campaigns for party, unity won’t be such a problem.
Trump cabinet. GOP taking comfort in people he might work with. Is that good?
Gershon: To make case to GOP is to look like you might win. Foreign policy establishment least attached to GOP, most critical of Trump’s views. These are radical, dangerous foreign policy positions and foreign policy analysts would have a lot to swallow.
Page: Gates seemed like he would vote HRC.
From: Miller, Lindsey
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 11:10 AM
To: Jakubiec, Matthew; Comm_D
Subject: RE: Face the Nation
More panel
Where do things stand in GOP unity project?
Pace: We heard a lot about unity but seems to be superficial, continue to be huge differences between Ryan wing and Trump wing. Big win for Trump that he got Ryan to speak nicely about him. Effort to unify around Trump.
What is party going through, situation where everyone comes together?
Gershon: Ryan going to surrender. Trump is benefiting from extreme polarization, never Trump people are more strongly never HRC. Long-term problem with him as nominee – immigration position is damaging, war on women part two that he represents. Huge long term risk for GOP.
Page: That is what Ryan is struggling with. Speaker is of course going to endorse but struggling to maybe pull Trump back on rhetoric.
Gershon: He didn’t get anything out of this.
Page: Ryan 46, will be around post-Trump and he is trying to protect the GOP he wants to represent. Trump is face of party this year, defines GOP until November
Bouie: Part of reason Trump won party is that forces to counter the racial polarization don’t exist. Trump reinforces racial polarization. Trump can make Latinos a core Democratic group for generations like Goldwater in 64.
Doesn’t Ryan have to endorse?
Pace: He knows this will be long process, will want something. So much difference between the two men. For him personally, the longer this takes, he will be asked every day and overshadow what he believes in, an agenda for GOP to run on in the fall.
You’ve seen presidents up close. Is it just about being right on issues?
Question is whether GOP candidate is fit to be president, he is a nativist. Can change public life in fundamentally destructive ways. Can this man represent America in the world and all of our citizens?
Reince would say HRC has the same kinds of challenges. Is that a good pushback?
Bouie: Not good pushback. She has a host of problems but she is fundamentally mainstream politician. She isn’t that far from Obama on policy. Trump conjuring the worst kind of nativism and bigotry to try to win election and once you open that box in any society but particularly ours, it doesn’t close again. Because Trump bringing ugly impulse to the fore, not just the fact HRC worse. They can say she is a liberal but she isn’t encouraging violence at political events.
Pace: Risky for HRC because she has to inspire people.
Page: This electorate wants change and HRC represents continuity. She wants to outline policy positions and none of these are breaking through. What breaks through is what Trump says and how she responds. Trump driving the conversation.
From: Jakubiec, Matthew
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:59 AM
To: Miller, Lindsey; Comm_D
Subject: Re: Face the Nation
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Date: Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 10:58 AM
To: Comm_D <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: RE: Face the Nation
Panel: Susan Page, Jamelle Bouie, Julie Pace, Michael Gerson
Is Priebus right that spokesman thing doesn’t matter?
Page: Reality is the fact he did it is not important but the fact that he is now denying it is an issue to expanding the number of people who support him. Raises question of trustworthiness.
His argument is voters like Trump.
Gerson: He is saying Trump extraordinary phenomenon. Weird positon for RNC chair. Trump gets away with things like this because he always has.
HRC has tried to make tax return attack. Profitable for her given her issues with email, etc?
Jamelle Bouie: I don’t think she does. Wrong approach. If some of rhetoric coming from HRC true and Trump unprecedented, typical attacks won’t work. Need to find a way to say sleazy and dishonest but will never be for you. All about his own personal gain. Tax returns and transparency doesn’t do it. Warren has figured I tout, HRC needs to huddle with her.
From: Miller, Lindsey
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:52 AM
To: Comm_D
Subject: Face the Nation
Reince!
Trump served as his own spokesman. Thoughts?
(laughs, stutters) Odd but of all the things facing this country, I can assure you that will not move the electorate. HRC career politician who made millions through politics. Trump outsider who will cause earthquake in DC. All these other stories won’t move electorate.
Now that we are looking at general electorate, these stories people key on. Not impersonation but the fact he denied it even though admitted in the past.
Well, like I said, issues facing DC is efficient, accountable government. Electorate not looking at someone calling reporter 30 years ago as issue that decides campaign. Trump’s niche is turning this place upside down. They don’t think HRC is that person. HRC should be careful throwing stones in glass houses.
Tax returns, Trump said people don’t have right to see him. That’s been the standard. Should it not be anymore?
I wouldn’t be surprised if people don’t care. Trump rewritten traditional playbook. I don’t know if anyone else could have pulled this off over past year. Rules for candidates don’t apply to Trump. People want something done right this second and Trump effectively represented that. Whether taxes disclosed won’t move electorate.
Does political success change how we evaluate candidate?
Good point but look at Bill Clinton. He’s still out there running around, people still coming to see him. Real analysis is what we as a party have to do to make sure we are true to our party and true to our platform and party exists in future. Trump has been winning in more in primary than any GOP nominee in history. Voters like him.
Third party. Should that be stopped?
I’ve heard Mitt isn’t looking at that. It’s a suicide mission because you throw out 8 years of white house, generations in Supreme Court. Suicide mission, not right and people should take Paul Ryan approach and find common ground and assurances
Paul Ryan differs on immigration, entitlements, taxes, trade, questioned his tone. What’s the basis for unity?
Agree on more than they disagree! They agree on items on Ryan’s agenda, Supreme Court, platform of GOP, abortion. Eighty percent overlap. Trump nuanced a little bit on those positions. We’ll get there, especially when choice is HRC, who lies/skirts issues/emails/Benghazi.
Panel:
Marsha Blackburn, Peter King and Chris Collins.
Collins, what is it about Trump that GOP should unify around?
Chief executive, not a career politician. Obama was a legislator and that went bad. Why I supported Trump, he was the only chief executive and his issues on trade. Other countries will try to steal our job and we need someone who will stand up and stop it.
King, congressman makes decisions on national security. That is where you criticized Trump. What made you come to support him?
King: I’m supporting nominee of the party but I still have questions on policy. Can’t explain how trade war with China works. How can he take troops out of Japan if he wants leverage over China? Concerned about romance he has with Putin. Trump has brought people into party but I want him to have coherent foreign policy before I campaign for him.
Blackburn, Reince said he is nuancing his positions. That used to be dirty word. What is your view on Trump and how he might change?
Trump has listened to the American people and shown he has heard them. They like the way he heard them and responded. I’m encouraged he is trying to find common ground. I think that’s a wonderful opportunity. You will probably see an aggressive legislative agenda under Trump, particularly in the first 100 days, which I look forward to.
Collins, immediate deportation, ban on Muslim immigrants, do you support that?
No those are not policies that I don’t support. But what hasn’t changed with him is securing border, bringing jobs home, defeating ISIS. He is reaching out to Congress, half of our committee chairs have endorsed. He is asking them for input. That is what CEO does, sets vision and hires great minds to come to decisions. Just now seeing Trump move into policy.
King, women voters. Does Trump have an issue with them?
Issue with them, I don’t know if HRC can raise it, but Trump will make his case. The average woman concerned about security. She is concerned about her kids staying alive, she saw 9/11 and never wants to see it again. She thinks Trump can protect us. If Trump can show he can protect us and be strong on economy, he can win.
Blackburn, Ryan given grief for not endorsing. Should be praised?
Ryan will move very quickly to endorse and unify. We will have dynamic campaign this fall, millions of new GOP voters. Voters know HRC is a lying, cheating, stealing type woman and Trump is a can-do man.
Robert Gates
Doesn’t know how Trump would deal with ISIS, concerns about relationship with Putin. These are policy positions that can be changed. But Trump seems to think he has all the answers and doesn’t need help. Doesn’t feel the need to surround himself with informed advisors. I worked with very different presidents and each one of those presidents understood he did not have all the answers and surrounded himself with experienced, thoughtful people who would give good advice. They would often make their own judgments but nonetheless they only acted after listening to different points of view.
Fatal flaw?
One would have to show between now and election that you were willing to listen and adjust to give a sense of confidence. I come at this from national security standpoint. I think about how will be in charge of young people in military so I want to see evidence that a person can be trusted with their lives.
Would you serve him if he asked?
Inconceivable to me. I’ll be 73.
Let’s say you were 63.
I think there would have to be a conversation with the candidate to see. When Obama asked me to stay on, we did something unusual. We had a secret meeting and I had sent him 10 questions, beginning with why he would trust me.
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