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*Lincoln Chafee on CNN's New Day*
*4/16/15*
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(*8:07a) Chris Cuomo*: Lincoln Chafee joins us right now. He was a former
senator and governor from Rhode Island and he is weighing a run for
president. Good to have you with us, governor.
*Chafee*: Thank you very much for having me on the show.
*Cuomo*: So let’s ask the obvious question: Do you think you can beat
Hillary Clinton and why?
*Chafee*: I have been in 12 elections in my career over 30 years, and I’ve
gotten into every one expecting to win. I have won 10 of the 12, but you
always get in expecting to win, and elections should be about choices, and
so you said on the Republican side there seem to be a lot of choices; there
should be choices on the Democrat side also.
*John Berman:* So here’s the thing, you were actually a big supporter, you
went out on a limb supporting President Obama when he was running for
re-election. At the time you were an independent and I think you even
supported him as a Republican or at least considered it as a Republican.
*Chafee*: no, as an independent.
*Berman:* Oh, as an independent. So look, a lot of people are looking at
Hillary Clinton right now as a third term for President Obama. You, by
exploring a run, are not so indirectly saying, no, no, no, she does not
represent the third term here. Why not?
*(8:08) Chafee*: well, don't forget, that the reason -- probably the
biggest reason that senator Obama at the time defeated Hillary Clinton in
'08 was because of the Iraq war vote. That was the issue and that's my big
issue here, because we are dealing with ramifications in a huge mistake
that Senator Clinton made in 2002, which i did not make, but we live with
it today—everyone says well that’s 12 years ago, but we live with it
today-- even the news today in Ramadi, what’s happening in Ramadi with
ISIS. And so it's a huge, bad decision, and so i don't consider it a third
term for President Obama at all. Very, very different.
*Cuomo:* You also have and interesting connection here. You were in
boarding school with Jeb Bush, is that right?
*Chafee:* yes.
*Cuomo:* So, do you believe he would be a better president than Hillary
Clinton?
*(8:09a) Chafee:* I am running my own race on the Democratic side and i
will let the Republicans sort out their primaries.
*Berman: *You actually are running a race though on the Democratic side.
You haven’t declared yet, no one’s declared but Hillary on the Democratic
side, and the other folks who are considering a run, Bernie Sanders, Jim
Webb, Martin O’Malley- no one is taking on Hillary Clinton. No one has gone
out nearly as far as you have gone out to criticize her, and you are
criticizing her saying that a vote that she took in the Senate, when you
were in the Senate, is essentially disqualifying for the Democratic
nomination.
*Chafee:* Yes that’s why I’m running, because I feel strongly about where
we’re going as a country, so it's not only that vote, but also her actions
of Secretary of State, and where we're going---
*Cuomo:* What did she do wrong? What’d she do wrong as Secretary of State?
*Chafee: *Well first of all start with Russia. Right in the early days of
her tenure as Secretary of State, they tried to re-start with Russia and
she presented the Russian foreign minister with a re-start button, but they
got the Russian word wrong, and instead the Russians looked at it and said
this means over charge, and it was an insult.
*Cuomo:* I mean, the re-start was the right move or the wrong move?
*(8:10) Chafee:* It was the right move to re-start, but you got to get the
word right. They insulted the Russians right off the bat and we live with
the ramifications again today. Look what is happening with Putin and with
Russia, Ukraine, and selling arms to Iran. It all could have started with
that diplomatic mistake, getting the word wrong. And also, as Secretary of
State, she referred to the elected leader of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez at the
time, as a dictator, and that just sets back our relations with an
important country, an oil-rich country. So it's a succession of mistakes-
mistake on the Iraq war vote, poor tenure as Secretary of State. We need a
new direction; fresh ideas for where we’re going as a country.
*Berman:* It sounds like you’ve really gone through her record kind of with
a fine-toothed comb here looking for specific examples. What about the now,
and the e-mails, what about the funds for the Clinton global initiative,
and what level of concern is this to you?
*(8:11)* Chafee: Especially the funds coming into the Clinton funds from
other countries, while she is Secretary of State. Huge amounts of money
coming from these foreign countries into the Clinton fund while she is
Secretary of State.
*Berman:* Did they change the rules while she was Secretary and then
afterwards start accepting from other countries like Saudi Arabia and what
not?
*Chafee*: And Libya. I don't know when they changed the rules, John.
*(8:11:20) Cuomo:* Important stuff to know though Governor because if you
are going to go after Hillary Clinton on the basis of basically, you’re
painting a character picture of her right? Then gotta be right about it
because that's a pretty big hammer to swing, especially if you’re not going
to say “oh, I have the better ideas.” You have to pick a tack, either you
are going to just go after her and say she is not good enough, but you’re
also going to have to say at some point why you are better
*Chafee*: Yes, and i feel strongly my record as a mayor, as a governor, as
a United States senator is open to scrutiny and i have a strong record of
standing up for the people and being a peace maker with unions, and as a
Senator dealing with other countries on the foreign relations committee, so
I look forward to a new direction; fresh ideas for America, i firmly
believe, for our children and grandchildren.
*Berman*: You have a unique perspective, you’ve been a Republican, you were
an independent, you were a Democrat. There’s so much gridlock in Washington
and around the country right now and you’ve had a perspective from every
different angle. Who is the most to blame? Who needs to do more to correct
their actions here to fix this problem?
(*8:12) Chafee:* Well President Bush the second, George W. Bush really set
this country back, i believe. First the tax cuts that gave us the
depression, and then the war in Iraq, and a record of prevarication. Just
saying one thing as a candidate and then doing something else. Even Scott
McClellan, his press secretary, said it was a culture of prevarication. So,
I’d give a lot of blame to Republicans, which I was at the time and one of
the big reasons i left. To take a surplus, turn it into deficits; to take a
peaceful world, turn it into a chaotic world- that’s on the Republican
watch.
*(8:13) Cuomo*: John is taking one tack on your changing parties. The way
you are going to hear it from your adversaries is, that is the biggest sin
in politics that there is. This man, the governor did not just go from one
party to another, he changed twice…They are going to bang you over the head
with that all day. This guy doesn't know who he is, he doesn’t know where
he stands, he went from a Republican to an independent to a Democrat, we
need leadership that is direct and secure.
*Chafee*: The flaw in that argument is that i have a 30-year record to look
at, and when they look at that 30-year record they’re going to see absolute
consistency, on fiscal responsibility, on the environment, on using the
tools of government the less fortunate, on keeping us out of quagmires, on
civil liberties, on a number of issues, rock-solid consistency.
*Berman:* You are saying a reverse Ronald Reagan, I did not leave the
Democratic Party the Democratic Party left me?
*Chafee*: yeah, There’s no room for liberal Republicans in the Republican
Party. I got primary’d in my reelection for Senate in 2006 by the right
wing- I won it, but it cost me the general. That’s what is happening, they
primary the liberal Republicans.
*(8:14) Cuomo:* You think the DNC will let you have a fair shot?
*Chafee*: I do. i do. Elections are about choices. They should be. That’s
America.
*Cuomo*: You think you can raise the money?
*Chafee:* America loves an underdog. No doubt i am an underdog. I’m not
going to raise a billion dollars, I don’t think I can raise a billion
dollars.
*Berman:* Governor, Senator, Lincoln Chafee. Thank you so much for being
with us. Really appreciate you being here today.
*Chafee:* Thank you John.
--
Nandi Robinson
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