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[00:00:00] All right, we're going to just start
[00:00:01] now. You said you were extremely
[00:00:02] nervous. No, I get nervous. I don't like
[00:00:04] to wait around. That's not true. It is
[00:00:06] true. Why would I say it's not like It's
[00:00:07] not like I'm saying, "Oh, guess what? I
[00:00:09] see visions of angels and they're giving
[00:00:11] me guidance." I'm saying I get nervous.
[00:00:12] No one would make that claim to make
[00:00:14] yourself seem or feel better. Would you?
[00:00:16] What? Like Like you think it's some sort
[00:00:17] of reverse modesty. Oh, I'm nervous
[00:00:19] because I'm so fragile and not at all
[00:00:21] vain. No, I just think that you're a
[00:00:23] famous actor, you know? So, I feel that
[00:00:25] you don't get nervous when there's
[00:00:26] cameras around. But maybe I'm wrong cuz
[00:00:28] this is the real you. It was probably
[00:00:29] easier to be somebody else. Actually,
[00:00:31] that was also annoying. Being someone
[00:00:32] else was annoying. I don't think there's
[00:00:33] anyone you can be where it's not
[00:00:35] ultimately annoying unless what you're
[00:00:37] actually doing is finding yourself in
[00:00:38] the constant living flow. What it is is
[00:00:40] feeling like suspended. That's what I
[00:00:42] don't like. I don't like the sense of
[00:00:44] suspension, purgatorial. I like to be in
[00:00:47] the flow of it. Do I feel like and you
[00:00:49] know that's difficult because when you
[00:00:51] are an actor, there's a continual
[00:00:53] tension between what's happening
[00:00:54] technically and what's happening on
[00:00:56] screen. and that and and the power
[00:00:58] balance will be dependent on what type
[00:00:59] of director you have. Sometimes you have
[00:01:01] directors that are very like obviously
[00:01:03] there's a standard that has to be
[00:01:04] achieved with lighting and framing and
[00:01:06] cinematography etc. But some people are
[00:01:08] very much like no I just want to see
[00:01:09] people affecting one another with words.
[00:01:12] I just want to see performances and
[00:01:14] other people are like really like say
[00:01:17] someone like Kubric all he cares about
[00:01:19] is making sure that it's a molecular
[00:01:22] level precisely what he envvisaged. The
[00:01:24] vision is apparently so clear that he
[00:01:27] just needs to move people around through
[00:01:29] sort of a pre-imagined set of shadows
[00:01:32] and stations that he could foresee.
[00:01:34] That's the nature of I suppose Kubrick's
[00:01:36] genius. And me like I would like it that
[00:01:38] just everything like I've probably to my
[00:01:40] detriment gone just film it. Just film
[00:01:41] it and we'll work all anything else out
[00:01:43] after like oh look my hands in that
[00:01:45] shot. What you know I mean is that you
[00:01:47] know this that's a nightmare for
[00:01:49] someone. It's the wrong skin tone. We
[00:01:51] could pretend it's like that it's
[00:01:52] Candace's hand. and his madness. It
[00:01:54] doesn't make sense. Oh no, what you
[00:01:57] doing? Hey, are you having a better time
[00:01:59] with your own economic model? Is it
[00:02:01] working better for you? Like now, why
[00:02:03] did you pick that voice in your hand? I
[00:02:06] just didn't want I think I do this
[00:02:07] character with my kids. Like, you know,
[00:02:10] come on, man. Just as soon as we go to
[00:02:11] bed, isn't it bedtime? Please capitulate
[00:02:15] your damn kids. You know, why don't you
[00:02:17] do what I ask you? You would be a very
[00:02:19] fun dad. That's what I would say.
[00:02:21] Definitely. Yeah, cuz you you get to
[00:02:23] create a bunch of characters and that's
[00:02:24] pretty much what what raising toddlers
[00:02:26] is. Raising children is a bunch of
[00:02:27] characters. Yeah, I that's what I'm
[00:02:29] doing. There's a real cast of characters
[00:02:32] my kids encounter. Make them the heroes
[00:02:35] of their own drama. Bring forth who they
[00:02:37] are. You know what I think, Candice? The
[00:02:39] word parent and the word parentheses.
[00:02:41] Parentheses like brackets. You're
[00:02:44] holding them. Don't interfere with them.
[00:02:46] Let them grow. Let them be who they are.
[00:02:49] Just keep enough space around them so
[00:02:50] the state doesn't get in there and turn
[00:02:52] them into little freaks or weirdos or
[00:02:54] their friends don't teach them some mad
[00:02:56] new vernacular of crap slang, turn them
[00:02:59] into little droogs. You know what I
[00:03:01] would say is I feel that my Wikipedia
[00:03:03] page should be updated and so should
[00:03:05] your Wikipedia be updated um to reflect
[00:03:07] the fact that I saved you from communism
[00:03:11] and which made you a much better parent.
[00:03:14] like your poor kids were one they had
[00:03:16] this communist parent raising them and
[00:03:18] then I blew into England and rescued you
[00:03:21] and you were an old president in the
[00:03:23] house a transformation
[00:03:26] since you were an old-fashioned commie
[00:03:29] now you now hear me good woman what
[00:03:32] happened was is I was and remain
[00:03:35] anti-establishment
[00:03:36] anti-establishment
[00:03:38] so I I was never like as in communist I
[00:03:40] think what we should do is give maximal
[00:03:42] power to the state Hammer and sickle
[00:03:44] flag. It was waving. I did have a hammer
[00:03:46] and sickle flag. And I was dressed as
[00:03:48] Shaavara. And I was reading Das Capotel.
[00:03:51] Yes. Yes. And I did have my own little
[00:03:53] Goolag in the garden where I did, I must
[00:03:56] say, imprison intellectuals. Yes, I did
[00:03:59] make them toil there. I made them toil
[00:04:01] in Siberia. But other than that, I had
[00:04:04] no affiliation. It was no cuz really in
[00:04:07] a sense, don't you think there is some
[00:04:08] source, some divine force that's trying
[00:04:10] to express itself through you? And isn't
[00:04:12] it our function to cleanse the channel
[00:04:14] that we may become clear? What was he
[00:04:17] doing by a Chesterton's reckoning at
[00:04:19] least St. Frances when he went into that
[00:04:21] cave and burrowed downwards to the point
[00:04:23] where you burrow down enough and in the
[00:04:25] end if you were burrowing into the
[00:04:27] center of the earth this is Chesterton's
[00:04:28] image that you would ultimately end up
[00:04:31] burrowing upward at some inconceivable
[00:04:34] point you are no longer in descent you
[00:04:36] are in ascent. St. Francis having been
[00:04:39] called by his own father a fool in court
[00:04:41] because St. Francis was so in love with
[00:04:43] raising money for the church that he
[00:04:44] nicked his dad's textile sold some off
[00:04:46] to repair a church wall. His father was
[00:04:48] bit annoyed about that dragged his boy
[00:04:50] through the courts from the mere Francis
[00:04:52] the ordinary buccaneer cavalier
[00:04:55] horseback riding occasionally beheading
[00:04:57] mad goon Francis becomes St. Francis and
[00:05:00] says if I am a fool as my father
[00:05:02] declares let me be a fool in the court
[00:05:04] of Christ. Let me be a jester for our
[00:05:07] Lord. He just takes a peasants's brown
[00:05:09] robe and ties it up with a rope. Within
[00:05:12] five years, thousands of men are adorned
[00:05:14] with that uniform. Surely, it is our job
[00:05:16] to become saints, Candace. Surely,
[00:05:18] that's what we're supposed to do. And we
[00:05:19] may grab
[00:05:22] art artifacts and archetypes from the
[00:05:24] culture and from deeper realms. But we
[00:05:26] are on our way back home. We are on our
[00:05:28] way to eternity. So, when you came
[00:05:30] around my house, I remember you
[00:05:32] prancing, you pranced, you pranced
[00:05:34] around my podcast studio and, "Oh,
[00:05:36] everyone's just going to get on and
[00:05:38] we're going to have immigrants and
[00:05:39] everything's going to be okay." I
[00:05:41] remember thinking, even though I'm bi
[00:05:43] biometrically diametrically opposed to
[00:05:45] this woman, in many, many ways, I see in
[00:05:48] her deep joy and I like her. Even though
[00:05:51] I've just been speaking to a a black
[00:05:53] academic in my country who I respect who
[00:05:55] said that Candace Owens is the black
[00:05:57] face of white racism. I thought this is
[00:05:59] not what this woman is. She is deeper
[00:06:02] and more profound than that. She is
[00:06:04] doing something interesting. And also we
[00:06:06] can't keep going on like finding
[00:06:09] legitimizing ways to not like one
[00:06:11] another. What would make it legitimate
[00:06:12] for me to not like a person? Well, if
[00:06:14] this were true then I could suppose I
[00:06:16] could legitimately dislike them. It's
[00:06:18] our duty to love and it's our duty to
[00:06:21] become who he would have us be. But you
[00:06:23] know what? I think that actually
[00:06:26] I changed so much since that moment as
[00:06:27] well. And I agree with you. I very much
[00:06:29] agree with you. And I think more people
[00:06:31] are watching this show because of the
[00:06:33] changes that I've made because I was
[00:06:35] thinking in that vein. This is the left.
[00:06:38] This is the right. And he is on the left
[00:06:41] and I am on the right. And then you sort
[00:06:42] of realize that actually we have a lot
[00:06:44] more in common and more of us are way
[00:06:46] more in the middle. And it's like these
[00:06:47] extremities are don't actually mean
[00:06:49] anything. There's so so so few people
[00:06:50] that actually operate in that extreme.
[00:06:52] And that's why I never actually took you
[00:06:54] for a leftist because you were way too
[00:06:55] tolerant. I mean, we had so much fun. I
[00:06:56] didn't care. I actually had fun kind of
[00:06:59] dueling with you intellectually and you
[00:07:00] saying, "But don't you think this and
[00:07:02] eating whatever you were eating out of
[00:07:03] that little bowl of snacks you had while
[00:07:05] you just had me there for two and a half
[00:07:07] hours?" Two and a half hours was it?
[00:07:09] Mhm. It was fantastic. And people loved
[00:07:10] it. And it was like the first time uh
[00:07:13] where you I checked the comment section
[00:07:14] and people were thrilled like left and
[00:07:16] right were thrilled because they were so
[00:07:18] refreshed by people not sitting across
[00:07:20] from each other simply to hate each
[00:07:22] other. And that's a problem that we
[00:07:23] have. That is that's a major problem
[00:07:25] that we have. But I will say that I'm
[00:07:26] tremendously optimistic because I think
[00:07:28] it's it's something is is changing. I'm
[00:07:30] not sure what to attribute that change
[00:07:32] to, but culturally things are changing.
[00:07:34] My prayer and my faith is that Christ is
[00:07:37] on the move in our culture. that Christ
[00:07:39] has wearied of these false taxonomies of
[00:07:42] this left and right ideas born out of
[00:07:45] industrialization and mechanization and
[00:07:48] the conccommittant social movements that
[00:07:50] are no longer relevant as we stand on
[00:07:52] the precipice of the third great
[00:07:54] anthropological revolution technology
[00:07:57] technological revolution at scale that
[00:08:00] means that attention consciousness
[00:08:01] itself could be commanded in in
[00:08:04] previously inconceivable ways that all
[00:08:07] things come from him. He the our father
[00:08:10] in heaven that is the same a thousand
[00:08:12] years ago as he will be tomorrow. He
[00:08:14] that is outside us outside of time. And
[00:08:17] what I feel might be our challenge is to
[00:08:21] for us to be messengers of this deep
[00:08:23] truth that the technology that currently
[00:08:25] exists can be used to create a kind of
[00:08:28] diaspora a mass decentralization. There
[00:08:31] is no requirement for centralized
[00:08:34] institutions either economic and private
[00:08:36] commercial or state bureaucratic that
[00:08:39] there was a 100 years ago or 500 years
[00:08:42] ago. That this is a time where you could
[00:08:44] be afforded a degree of autonomy,
[00:08:48] control and agency in the life of your
[00:08:51] family and of your community. And what
[00:08:53] excites me about that Candace is that we
[00:08:55] would be able to diffuse this constant
[00:08:57] polarity and this constant tension. If
[00:09:00] you want to sign off and sign out from
[00:09:02] the experiment of your nation, whether
[00:09:04] it's France or Romania or the UK, the
[00:09:06] United States, why oughten you? Why
[00:09:09] ought you be tethered to worldliness?
[00:09:11] Why do they want us to treat the state
[00:09:13] and the world as if it were a kind of
[00:09:15] religion? Why do they lay claim to the
[00:09:17] powers of the God that they deny even
[00:09:19] exist? They want your constant filty. We
[00:09:22] today we believe this. It's a new
[00:09:23] doctrine. Today we have a new cast of
[00:09:25] saints that we want you to revere. All
[00:09:28] the while making the claim that it's
[00:09:30] ridiculous that we believe in the birth
[00:09:33] of the son of God, the death of the son
[00:09:35] of God for our sins and his resurrection
[00:09:36] that we may know eternal life. They
[00:09:38] invite us to believe in these
[00:09:40] detrimental and ridiculous faith-based
[00:09:43] systems. Um, if you ask me, somewhat
[00:09:46] tory. They lack only the forgiveness and
[00:09:49] majesty of our glorious faith. You know,
[00:09:51] I I have to force you to read this book.
[00:09:53] It's in tatter sitting next to me. I
[00:09:55] have a book club and we're reading
[00:09:56] Hollywood Babylon and I just oh god
[00:09:58] what's going on fantastic booky sleeves
[00:10:00] well written by Kenneth Anger in the 60s
[00:10:02] and got banned from the United States
[00:10:04] because he just was he was you know a
[00:10:06] member of the occult and friends with
[00:10:08] Alistister Crowley and he just basically
[00:10:10] told all the secrets of how they
[00:10:11] established Hollywood which is not
[00:10:12] something that we often think about
[00:10:13] because Hollywood was always a thing um
[00:10:16] and you came up in Hollywood and one of
[00:10:18] the things that's really interesting
[00:10:19] about you that I covered on the show is
[00:10:21] that it seems to be the way whether it's
[00:10:22] you whether it's Justin Bieber or
[00:10:23] whether it's you Kanye when he first
[00:10:26] when you kind of go, okay, Hollywood
[00:10:28] actually is not fulfilling me and I need
[00:10:31] something else and I'm kind of done
[00:10:32] being my own pagan god and you start to
[00:10:36] turn to these themes that we are talking
[00:10:38] about eternal truth. We start to turn to
[00:10:40] Christ. It seems like this isn't okay.
[00:10:42] No, no, no, no. They they want you to
[00:10:45] exist within the me myself, the
[00:10:48] selfishness. And then when you turn that
[00:10:49] off and you start to represent something
[00:10:51] truer to your audiences, suddenly the
[00:10:54] media turns on you. And this book really
[00:10:56] reflects that. And it's called Hollywood
[00:10:57] Babylon because he's telling you that
[00:10:58] that was it was established as a sort of
[00:11:01] faith. They intentionally called the
[00:11:03] movie houses cathedrals. They were
[00:11:05] trying to mimic uh Catholicism by
[00:11:08] turning it on its head, getting people
[00:11:10] to worship the stars. Why did they call
[00:11:12] them Hollywood stars? They wanted people
[00:11:13] to worship stars. Actually brilliant. So
[00:11:16] true. and he is totally demonic and a
[00:11:18] cult and the the stuff that he brought
[00:11:19] forward the author of this Kenneth Anger
[00:11:21] who you know contributed to these sort
[00:11:23] of um you know because he was explaining
[00:11:26] how they really believed in sex magic
[00:11:27] and Hollywood Babylon all these people
[00:11:29] that established it but he's telling the
[00:11:31] truth these were his friends and for
[00:11:33] this book to have been banned in America
[00:11:35] which I still cannot comprehend how it
[00:11:36] was banned in America before they
[00:11:38] allowed it to be reprint and they
[00:11:40] removed certain passages from it
[00:11:42] fascinating story you should read it
[00:11:43] because I think coming from Hollywood
[00:11:45] and seeing that and experiencing that. I
[00:11:47] feel like the media loved you and then
[00:11:49] you found Christ and they were like,
[00:11:50] "No, Russell Brands, no. He's terrible.
[00:11:53] Never mind. He's a really bad guy. Don't
[00:11:55] let him tell you anything that might
[00:11:58] supply your life with a bit more purpose
[00:11:59] and direction and meaning and true
[00:12:01] meaning." Well, that's Thank you. And in
[00:12:04] a sense, it's a flattering analysis
[00:12:06] because I reckon that my exiling from
[00:12:08] that particular little citale owes much
[00:12:11] to blunt economics. But I would say also
[00:12:16] that that the scrutiny
[00:12:19] employed in that book there seems
[00:12:21] Candice to me absolutely 100% right. And
[00:12:23] there's nothing more appealing than
[00:12:25] being told that yes, you're right, you
[00:12:28] are fantastic. Like like a culture that
[00:12:31] will tell you that you're brilliant.
[00:12:32] Now, most people I know that have become
[00:12:34] entertainers.
[00:12:35] There are rare exceptions have some
[00:12:38] grain in them of terrible, terrible
[00:12:41] self-doubt and terrible loathing. I
[00:12:43] mean, don't all of us as human beings in
[00:12:45] fact have that because understandably we
[00:12:47] are fallen and we are broken and we can
[00:12:49] never be healed or whole alone. Not
[00:12:50] without him, not without his sacrifice.
[00:12:52] Now, like when you're in Hollywood and
[00:12:54] you're told, "Actually, no, there's
[00:12:56] nothing wrong with your infantile
[00:12:57] desires and your urges and your
[00:13:00] narcissism and your hedonism." They find
[00:13:02] ways of monitoring and maneuvering those
[00:13:05] ideas, but it in fact is built upon, as
[00:13:09] you said rightly, paganism, the idea of
[00:13:11] being sexually attractive. Like there's
[00:13:13] doing this to this day. I mean, I I'm
[00:13:15] sort of struggling to I I caught a
[00:13:17] glimpse on my ex feed, though I'm
[00:13:19] reluctant to look too much at any of
[00:13:20] these platforms because it seems that
[00:13:22] there is some sort of semi-conscious
[00:13:24] desire within it to turn you all into a
[00:13:27] porn mad denison of a world of tension
[00:13:30] and threat and it like just like he is a
[00:13:33] act of violence. He's an act of sex.
[00:13:34] Nevertheless, I saw on my feed that on
[00:13:36] the cover of Rolling Stone is a young
[00:13:38] woman who I'm assuming is a pop star
[00:13:39] called Sabrina. Now, I don't know much
[00:13:41] about the culture anymore because, you
[00:13:42] know, it rejects me. I reject it. Like,
[00:13:45] and but she's just sort of wearing like
[00:13:47] a porn outfit and like stockings and
[00:13:50] we're already in the sort of we're deep
[00:13:52] into examining the objectification of
[00:13:56] women and what the consequences of that
[00:13:58] objectification might be. Outside of
[00:14:00] exploitation and abuse and criminality,
[00:14:03] all things that we all know and
[00:14:05] understand to be wrong, is the potential
[00:14:08] that environments that casually invite
[00:14:10] us to objectify one another, might be,
[00:14:12] whether subtly or majorly, contribute in
[00:14:16] to the idea that we are all here to just
[00:14:18] take from one another and that we can
[00:14:20] indeed fulfill one another. And part of
[00:14:23] my own slow, weary,
[00:14:27] near tectonic growth has been the
[00:14:30] understanding that people cannot fulfill
[00:14:32] you. Not just in obvious ways like if
[00:14:34] you're sleeping around a bunch like I
[00:14:36] was for many years or having male
[00:14:39] friendships where people are primarily
[00:14:41] there to serve you like like in one way
[00:14:43] or another make you feel good or work
[00:14:45] for you in some way. that that even you
[00:14:48] with your own children and your own
[00:14:50] wife, if I'm not facing God first and
[00:14:52] foremost, I'll look to them
[00:14:54] unconsciously to make me feel better. I
[00:14:56] want my little children to cheer me up
[00:14:58] or my wife to protect me from this
[00:15:01] world. It's only when I am confronted
[00:15:03] absolutely with the futility and
[00:15:05] hopelessness of that way of life that I
[00:15:08] will finally in brokenness and humility
[00:15:11] accept that I do need saving and that I
[00:15:14] can't be saved by fame or money or sex
[00:15:16] or drugs or power or flattery or even by
[00:15:20] things that super like you know that
[00:15:21] that seem that they would have more
[00:15:23] value duty love all of those things
[00:15:24] unless undertaken in faith unless
[00:15:26] undertaken through a love of him will
[00:15:28] also run dry eventually. release. So
[00:15:31] like, yes, of course, Hollywood, like
[00:15:33] before I get ready for a little name
[00:15:34] drop here. Um, I was friends with David
[00:15:36] Lynch. I was like, you know, he he was
[00:15:38] big in transcendental meditation and
[00:15:40] I've always been curious about states of
[00:15:42] consciousness and ways of accessing the
[00:15:44] mystery of like, you know, I'm a drug
[00:15:45] addict. I'm interested in mysticism.
[00:15:48] Always have been. And I loved him. I
[00:15:50] thought he was a genuine artist and a
[00:15:51] brilliant man, a genius in fact. And he
[00:15:54] said to me once, "It's the light,
[00:15:57] Russell. Why are we in Los Angeles? What
[00:15:59] is it?" He said it's the light. The
[00:16:00] light is beautiful. Now you think about
[00:16:02] film making cinematography, the
[00:16:03] requirement for excellent natural light
[00:16:05] is absolutely paramount. And for him,
[00:16:08] such a purist, such a clear artist who
[00:16:10] was absolutely dedicated to what he did.
[00:16:12] You know, he wasn't there to pick up
[00:16:14] chicks or get high. He was in it because
[00:16:17] he wanted to tell stories about the
[00:16:19] nature of consciousness, the nature of
[00:16:20] dreams, the nature of the dynamics
[00:16:22] between a suppressed violence, the
[00:16:23] violence concealed behind domesticity,
[00:16:26] systems of conformity and control. The
[00:16:28] very fact that Lynchian has become an
[00:16:30] adjective tells you that this was a man
[00:16:31] who was telling stories in a sublime and
[00:16:33] brilliant way. And when he said that
[00:16:35] about the light, it made me realize or
[00:16:37] at least reflecting now I realize that
[00:16:40] what it is is a place of false
[00:16:42] luminosity, false light. And what is
[00:16:45] Lucifer? The counterfeit, the emulator,
[00:16:48] the accuser, the great deceiver. That
[00:16:50] the stories that a nation tells itself
[00:16:52] about itself form that nation's psyche
[00:16:54] and soul. You'll see that in the type of
[00:16:56] actors that become stars, the kind of
[00:16:58] stories that are told, the obvious pagan
[00:17:00] um the worship of godlike figures in the
[00:17:03] form of superheroes, obviously, and the
[00:17:05] and the ongoing battles between good and
[00:17:06] evil and the way that those arguments
[00:17:08] are uh are handled. So, a figure like um
[00:17:10] Lynch and and a claim like that tells me
[00:17:13] that yes, for geographical or even I
[00:17:15] don't know, reasons of luminosity, it
[00:17:19] became a place of significance. But it
[00:17:21] it intrigues but doesn't surprise me
[00:17:24] that long into the history of the
[00:17:25] institution of Hollywood have been has
[00:17:28] been a deceptive agenda. We all know
[00:17:30] that they have relationships with
[00:17:32] government institutions or
[00:17:33] organizations, we all know there's a
[00:17:35] global agenda, an imperative that plays
[00:17:37] out there. And whilst we can recognize
[00:17:39] something like Epstein Island is like a
[00:17:42] kind of um what do you want to say? A
[00:17:44] kind of ground zero uranium of sexual
[00:17:47] blackmail across the whole culture. It
[00:17:49] seems all of us are being invited to
[00:17:50] participate in some way or another in
[00:17:52] shameful acts through pornography and
[00:17:53] hedonism or sleaziness, stuff that's
[00:17:56] just just the normalization of porn. the
[00:17:59] normalization of a cult that tells you
[00:18:01] that you can resolve everything by
[00:18:03] pursuing your desires, by serving
[00:18:05] yourself. And I suppose I'm very
[00:18:08] fortunate that through my own lack of
[00:18:11] selfworth and my own longing, but also
[00:18:12] my own industry and my own ambition and
[00:18:14] my own sense that there's something
[00:18:15] worth pursuing. I got to be inside that
[00:18:18] organization for a while and I got to
[00:18:20] experience it and I got to know as Jim
[00:18:22] Kerry brilliantly said, I wish everyone
[00:18:24] could know how fasile, how hollow, how
[00:18:26] empty it is, but also how people are
[00:18:28] captured there. People aren't going to
[00:18:29] come out and go probably, you know, I
[00:18:31] saw your interviews with Harvey
[00:18:32] Weinstein. Like people aren't going to
[00:18:34] say, look, he probably did a bunch of
[00:18:36] stuff that was wrong, but it probably
[00:18:38] the fact is it was culturally normal
[00:18:41] what he did. That's what I'm kind of
[00:18:42] guessing. and that probably most famous
[00:18:46] men in Hollywood three four times a year
[00:18:48] make settlements for claims and it's an
[00:18:50] industry it's like it's become
[00:18:52] industrialized blackmail normalization
[00:18:54] of hedonism a peculiar establishment
[00:18:57] that helps look that in the people that
[00:18:59] observe it makes as feel as I remember
[00:19:01] before I was in it thinking oh I'm not
[00:19:03] good enough or maybe I could live that
[00:19:04] life maybe I could be famous maybe I
[00:19:05] could be sleeping with lots of girls or
[00:19:07] that would be lovely wouldn't that be
[00:19:08] fantastic and then when you do it it's
[00:19:09] kind of empty and vapid and shallow and
[00:19:12] awful not to say there aren't brilliant
[00:19:13] and wonderful people there. I can think
[00:19:14] of a dozen marvelous people that I knew
[00:19:16] there. But the its cultural impact is
[00:19:20] ultimately malign. It's like the COVID
[00:19:22] jab. Looking back, did it do more harm
[00:19:25] than good? Did you get it? No. And like,
[00:19:27] of course not. Thank you. No, of course
[00:19:29] not. I mean, everyone was rolling up
[00:19:30] their sleeves and were like marching
[00:19:32] like it was totally fine. I thought it
[00:19:33] was the strangest thing I've ever seen.
[00:19:35] It was a full uh global simulation. It
[00:19:37] was I felt like I was watching a a a
[00:19:40] show. I was so removed from it because I
[00:19:42] was already very awakened to and I'm not
[00:19:45] just like anti-COVID vacc. I'm antivax
[00:19:48] full stop. My kids are not vaccinated
[00:19:50] and but fortunately God blessed me by
[00:19:52] allowing me to be injured by a vaccine
[00:19:54] when I was 20. And so I woke up pretty
[00:19:56] quickly and cuz then I researched I was
[00:19:58] like why did I even get this random
[00:19:59] vaccine? Did it make you racist? Did you
[00:20:03] turn you into a black? still suffering
[00:20:05] from these you got it quite bad
[00:20:09] white supremacism anti-semitism side
[00:20:12] effects may include and I got all I got
[00:20:14] them all so but I'm grateful for well no
[00:20:18] but seriously that I think that is what
[00:20:20] happened um I was I went to get the
[00:20:22] gardax knew nothing about it just went
[00:20:24] to the doctor said you should get this
[00:20:26] it prevents cancer you just trust your
[00:20:27] doctor it's just one of these things
[00:20:29] where you just go well a doctor would
[00:20:30] never do anything wrong you don't think
[00:20:32] I think I was 19 years old when the shot
[00:20:33] came Now you would never at that time
[00:20:36] unless you had been raised, you know,
[00:20:37] without vaccines think anything other
[00:20:39] than doctors as like their own kind of
[00:20:41] gods. Like if a doctor says it, it must
[00:20:43] be true. If the doctor is doing this,
[00:20:44] they're not motivated by profit, which
[00:20:46] they are. Um or the insurance companies,
[00:20:48] which they are, or the pharmaceutical
[00:20:50] companies, which they are, where they're
[00:20:51] provided all these incentives, but you
[00:20:53] know, I marched in, got the shot,
[00:20:54] instantly had a mini seizure in the in
[00:20:56] the office. And if this was a
[00:20:58] three-part, this was a three series shot
[00:21:00] and the doctors were just sort of like,
[00:21:02] "You shouldn't, you should discontinue
[00:21:03] this series." But then I realized I have
[00:21:05] no idea what I just put in my arm, like
[00:21:07] what I why is this happening? And then I
[00:21:09] researched and went into the statistics
[00:21:11] of what they were saying, what they were
[00:21:12] promising. And I it just was very clear
[00:21:14] to me that everything was a lie. Like it
[00:21:16] was just a total simulation. And from
[00:21:18] that moment on, I was weary. I was
[00:21:20] became a skeptic of vaccines. And the
[00:21:22] more I researched when it came time to
[00:21:24] have our first child, I was like, we are
[00:21:26] not vaccinating our child. Like I I have
[00:21:28] looked into every vaccine and all of it
[00:21:30] is all of this illusion, this fear. And
[00:21:32] so I was very keen um because Kennedy,
[00:21:35] he was the only source I had. If you
[00:21:37] were a mom and you didn't know, you
[00:21:39] know, information about this vaccine or
[00:21:41] like I was just interested in Gardil. He
[00:21:44] had the only website, the only
[00:21:45] organization that was doing work that
[00:21:47] way and he was catching a lot of Pete
[00:21:48] for it. So it was it was very brave of
[00:21:50] him to do it. Yes. Isn't he children's
[00:21:52] health defense? Yeah, the children's
[00:21:53] health defense. And you know, because
[00:21:55] I've spent and had the great privilege
[00:21:56] of spending some time around Secretary
[00:21:59] Kennedy, what I know is that he is a
[00:22:02] person that is willing to take risks and
[00:22:05] that he is guided where possible because
[00:22:08] all of us have many many ambient threats
[00:22:10] to deal with I'm sure by the highest of
[00:22:13] ideals. I met some of the moms that were
[00:22:15] around him and like you know that the
[00:22:16] way that Bobby got involved with
[00:22:17] vaccines is like moms with kids with
[00:22:19] autism that they intuitively as mothers
[00:22:21] felt like that's come from when I had
[00:22:23] that procedure and like Jenny McCarthy
[00:22:25] bless her be one of the first people to
[00:22:27] speak out on it. Yeah. Yeah. Like you
[00:22:29] know don't you feel like when you become
[00:22:30] a parent Candice that there like there's
[00:22:33] something that you feel like I don't
[00:22:34] feel like it's right to do this like
[00:22:36] your trust is challenged something
[00:22:38] sacred and powerful kicks in. and you
[00:22:40] understand immediately your duty is to
[00:22:42] protect this child and you feel uneasy.
[00:22:44] You might do it if you're if it's
[00:22:45] recommended or if you have you I like
[00:22:47] you see you describe the blessing of
[00:22:50] having a personal incursion that led you
[00:22:53] to be cynical about vaccines. For me it
[00:22:55] was much more generalized. I don't trust
[00:22:57] authority. I've had so many encounters
[00:22:59] with authority where the people that are
[00:23:00] going to be giving me me information are
[00:23:02] lying. The people that are meant to be
[00:23:03] upholding the law are breaking it. The
[00:23:04] people that are meant to be making
[00:23:05] judgments are lying and are biased and
[00:23:07] are not at all objective. It just I
[00:23:08] don't know how that happens to I'm just
[00:23:09] some normal kid from grade Essex in the
[00:23:11] south of England. And somehow by the
[00:23:13] time I got to, I don't know, 20, 30,
[00:23:15] whatever. I knew that. I knew don't
[00:23:17] trust authority ever unless it's sublime
[00:23:19] divine authority. And good luck working
[00:23:21] out where that is and when it's false
[00:23:22] and when it's real. So like that that's
[00:23:25] what informed my decision there as well
[00:23:27] as some people being kind enough to
[00:23:29] explain to me the the sort of the
[00:23:30] origins of many vaccines the misnomers
[00:23:33] and misleading stories told about the
[00:23:35] successes of even some of the more
[00:23:37] celebrated vaccines polio eg um but like
[00:23:40] no one has made the sacrifices that he
[00:23:43] made Robert Kennedy coming from that
[00:23:45] family the successes he's had in
[00:23:47] environmental law his personal
[00:23:50] brilliance and his willingness to put
[00:23:51] himself out there and I would say Like
[00:23:53] even though obviously there is
[00:23:54] complexity with having uh this current
[00:23:57] administration that and like any
[00:23:58] government it seems to me there are
[00:24:00] shortcomings and challenges and failings
[00:24:02] and people obviously on what would have
[00:24:03] once been known as the left will be
[00:24:04] decrying almost everything that's
[00:24:06] happening now from tariffs to
[00:24:08] deportations to what's happening in the
[00:24:11] Middle East. But one thing I kind of
[00:24:14] sort of I hold on to and cherish almost
[00:24:17] as if at the foot of the cross is well I
[00:24:19] know Bobby Kennedy's is a good man and I
[00:24:20] know he's going to do the right thing
[00:24:21] and then he wipes out 17 advisers then
[00:24:24] he appoints Robert Malone and then they
[00:24:26] make you know he is someone that I have
[00:24:28] no trouble believing in. Yeah. You know
[00:24:30] I think I worry for every person that
[00:24:32] goes into office because we know how
[00:24:34] sophisticated going back to Epstein how
[00:24:35] sophisticated these blackmail rings are.
[00:24:37] And you know it's my belief based on
[00:24:39] just things that I've read and learning
[00:24:41] about just how infiltrated how
[00:24:44] infiltrated we are. I'm talking about
[00:24:46] even at the university level they are
[00:24:47] gathering intel on people on the basis
[00:24:49] of what schools they go to. You know you
[00:24:51] think you're pledging a sorority and you
[00:24:53] know pledging a fraternity and next
[00:24:55] thing you know they've held on to
[00:24:56] blackmail because they thought that you
[00:24:57] could be someone someday. Entire
[00:24:59] families that they are focused on
[00:25:00] because of their legacy. Maybe the
[00:25:01] Kennedys. I find myself not certain that
[00:25:04] I can trust anyone once they get to DC
[00:25:06] that there isn't just a file ready and
[00:25:07] like, "Hey, we know you did this when
[00:25:08] you were 16 years old. Sorry about that,
[00:25:10] but here's how you got to vote." And to
[00:25:12] have
[00:25:14] some people who are just obviously
[00:25:15] blackmailed, I would say, is people like
[00:25:17] Lindsey Graham who just like I've never
[00:25:18] seen someone my personal belief, again,
[00:25:20] I have no evidence to that effect, but
[00:25:22] just the way he just dances for war.
[00:25:23] It's bizarre. It's just he loves war so
[00:25:25] much that I'm like, "Okay, what do they
[00:25:26] have on you? This is just weird." Do you
[00:25:28] think there might be, aside from
[00:25:29] missiles, another phallic-shaped object
[00:25:32] that Lindsey Graham is quite prone to
[00:25:35] that he's keen not to have in the public
[00:25:37] eye? I think there should be a war. Yes,
[00:25:40] a warhead. A thick, juicy warhead with
[00:25:43] uranium sputtering out all over my
[00:25:46] chops. War. War, I tell you. I'd like to
[00:25:49] relax and dilate into a war. I'd like to
[00:25:52] reverse myself into a war. Sorry, what
[00:25:54] are we talking about again? I'm sorry.
[00:25:56] Oh, it happened again, Mom. I just
[00:25:58] spilled my muddle milk. Oh no, the tummy
[00:26:01] worms escaped again, Mommy. And now I
[00:26:04] just told Jesus another lie.
[00:26:08] The tubby tadpoles are loose. The tummy
[00:26:11] tadpoles are loose. Um, so if in
[00:26:14] conclusion, if you could give more money
[00:26:16] to Northrup, Grumman, Rathian, Lucky,
[00:26:18] Motting, and Boeing, then no one need to
[00:26:20] know how I pass the evenings.
[00:26:24] Well, that's exactly you said it. You
[00:26:26] said everyone was thinking it and you
[00:26:27] said it. That was a hypothetical
[00:26:28] example. Hypothetical hypothetical
[00:26:30] example. Allegedly, allegedly,
[00:26:31] allegedly, allegedly, allegedly,
[00:26:32] allegedly. That's it protects you from
[00:26:34] everything. My lawyer about Lindsay
[00:26:35] Lohan, right? Lindsay Lohan allegedly or
[00:26:37] something, someone. But yes, it's so
[00:26:39] obvious and you're like, "Okay, clearly
[00:26:40] we know that people we know." But I
[00:26:42] would just kind of respect the person
[00:26:43] that came forward. And I think one day
[00:26:45] there will be the individual that says,
[00:26:46] "Hey, listen. I did this awful thing.
[00:26:48] you know, I was high on this and they
[00:26:50] got me on camera doing this and I just
[00:26:52] want you guys to know that and I can't
[00:26:53] consciously vote this way because I'm
[00:26:55] being blackmailed. I think all of DC is
[00:26:57] run by blackmail. So, I I don't have any
[00:26:58] faith in the system even when people go
[00:27:00] to DC that you believe in. Something
[00:27:01] seems to happen when they get into the
[00:27:03] swamp and it's just I've seen it. People
[00:27:05] flip that people that you truly believe
[00:27:07] in. And so, I've kind of removed myself
[00:27:08] from politics in many ways and and then
[00:27:11] you just lean into faith. You know,
[00:27:12] that's the only real faith. That's what
[00:27:13] I'm doing. It's the only thing that's
[00:27:14] real. We can trust the Lord. We can
[00:27:16] trust in put our faith in him. He faith
[00:27:19] in him will cast out all fear. He is our
[00:27:21] strength and our song. He has given us
[00:27:23] victory. I'm tired of leaning on my own
[00:27:25] understanding of reality. I'm tired of
[00:27:28] trying to work this out all the time.
[00:27:29] I'm tired of trying to understand why
[00:27:31] these things are happening and those
[00:27:32] things aren't happening and why people
[00:27:33] are fallible. You know, as you one
[00:27:35] becomes more familiar and versed with
[00:27:37] scripture, Candace, it doesn't it all
[00:27:39] just make the most tremendous and
[00:27:40] obvious sense. We're broken. We're
[00:27:41] fallen. We find it hard to listen to
[00:27:43] God. We keep rebelling against God
[00:27:45] continually. God loves us. God wants us
[00:27:47] to return into his embrace. And we find
[00:27:51] it impossible because we are attracted
[00:27:52] by the false light, by the false
[00:27:54] luminosity, by the glamour, by the urges
[00:27:56] of the flesh, by the mental devily, and
[00:27:59] by worldliness. Even things that I
[00:28:02] thought would not make sense to me. you
[00:28:03] know, reading like the Old Testament, I
[00:28:05] thought like, you know, when I became
[00:28:06] Christian, I thought I'm not going to be
[00:28:07] delving into Lamentations and Jeremiah
[00:28:10] and trying to make a good fist of
[00:28:12] Samuel, but actually like everything
[00:28:15] that I'm reading, it works
[00:28:17] simultaneously on a near mythic but
[00:28:20] historic level that in the same way that
[00:28:23] geometry, music, and maths could be seen
[00:28:26] as a language that go beyond the
[00:28:28] parochial limitations of English or
[00:28:31] whatever other PTOW you may happen to
[00:28:34] articulate in that there's a deeper
[00:28:37] truth available in scripture if you will
[00:28:40] allow it in. Now, of course, anything
[00:28:42] can be utilized to leverage control, to
[00:28:45] oppress, to distract, to lie. And
[00:28:47] there's no question that the church in
[00:28:49] all of its sects and denominations has
[00:28:52] committed abominations, atrocities even
[00:28:54] in some cases. But our Lord remains
[00:28:59] illuminous, incandescent above. and by
[00:29:01] the covenant of his blood. Let me drown
[00:29:03] in his blood. Let me gorge on the
[00:29:05] Eucharist. I don't want to live my life
[00:29:08] in faith any different than I live my
[00:29:11] life as a drug addict. I will want to
[00:29:13] live absolutely perfect honesty, perfect
[00:29:16] truth, aspiring after it, knowing that
[00:29:18] I'm fallen, but knowing that it is done,
[00:29:20] that it is finished in his name. And
[00:29:22] there are such things as saints. And I
[00:29:25] understand that only the really sick
[00:29:27] people become saints, Candace. So, I
[00:29:28] think both you and I are in with a shot.
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[00:32:00] to these things and I have just always
[00:32:03] been a little I guess I should say
[00:32:08] I don't want I want to make sure I use
[00:32:09] the right word here. Good. About time
[00:32:11] you started paying attention to I've
[00:32:13] been watching this for months. I was
[00:32:15] unsure. Where's the guy with the
[00:32:17] mustache? That's what I want to know. I
[00:32:19] thought you were the guy with the
[00:32:20] mustache and the conspiracy theories.
[00:32:22] I'm supposed to be allegedly. We could
[00:32:24] warm up. We could warm up, but I could I
[00:32:26] would say is that I was unsure. I I was
[00:32:28] slow to the I love Elon Musk party. And
[00:32:31] this gets into I was also pregnant. I
[00:32:32] swear women's intuition goes up when
[00:32:34] they're pregnant. There's a thing. Yeah.
[00:32:35] You get weird dreams. I'm sure your wife
[00:32:37] did when your wife is pregnant. Just
[00:32:38] very weird dreams, very specific dreams.
[00:32:40] I don't know. Um, and you just feel a
[00:32:42] bit more connected and and there I just
[00:32:43] was slow to the Elon Musk welcome party.
[00:32:46] Grateful for what we did for Twitter.
[00:32:47] Obviously, no-brainer. Um, we we really
[00:32:50] did almost lose Twitter. I'm going to
[00:32:52] call it Twitter because I can't say I
[00:32:53] exed like when you send a tweet when you
[00:32:55] do. It's still like I tweeted, right?
[00:32:56] So, I'm going to say Twitter. Um, but X
[00:32:59] and I appreciated that. And then I kind
[00:33:01] of saw this adoration, this sort of
[00:33:05] adoration that suddenly conservatives
[00:33:06] had and he kind of became and I would
[00:33:08] say like they kind of turned him into
[00:33:09] like a demigod, you know, and he could
[00:33:11] do no wrong and he's at the White House
[00:33:12] and now his kids there and everyone's
[00:33:13] like applauding this and I go, "Wait a
[00:33:14] wait, wait a second. Have we checked in
[00:33:16] on what his values are like who this
[00:33:18] person actually is? Or are we just
[00:33:19] saying you had so much money that you
[00:33:21] could afford X and that's it? And that's
[00:33:22] all that's required um to get into our
[00:33:24] good graces, which is wealth. And does
[00:33:26] that make us any better than the left?"
[00:33:27] And the left, I would say, worships
[00:33:29] celebrities and worships Hollywood and
[00:33:30] like Taylor Swift writes a post and so
[00:33:32] there therefore they vote. Same thing,
[00:33:34] different side of the aisle in my view,
[00:33:36] the way that I was looking at it. And
[00:33:38] then this blowup happens last week or
[00:33:41] the week before. And I was just
[00:33:42] wondering what your take was on that
[00:33:45] blowup as you're watching that from
[00:33:46] across the pond. What were you thinking
[00:33:48] about this kind of battle of the egos,
[00:33:51] if you want to call it, between Trump
[00:33:52] and Elon? And then suddenly Elon just
[00:33:55] dropped some Jeffrey Epsteines tweet out
[00:33:57] of nowhere. I was watching Doctor
[00:33:59] Strange Love, the Cubric movie about the
[00:34:03] advent of nuclear power and the
[00:34:05] impossible and improbable responsibility
[00:34:08] granted to military generals and
[00:34:11] presidents alike. What Cubri's genius
[00:34:14] accompanied by that other great British
[00:34:16] genius Peter Celis demonstrates so
[00:34:19] wonderfully is that even when dealing
[00:34:22] with Armageddon and the apocalypse,
[00:34:24] human beings are frail and fallen and
[00:34:26] broken. This is illustrated to great
[00:34:29] comic effect in that movie. Oh no,
[00:34:32] someone just has a bad day on the
[00:34:33] military base or comes up with a theory
[00:34:35] or notion and decides that they are
[00:34:37] going to let loose nuclear warheads on
[00:34:41] Russia. And the story sort of unpacks
[00:34:43] how ridiculous it is that anyone would
[00:34:45] be granted that authority. It's a kind
[00:34:46] of anti Oppenheimimer where Oenheimimer
[00:34:49] sort of studies from a kind of sort of
[00:34:50] earnest and intellectual perspective the
[00:34:52] morality of coming up with a weapon and
[00:34:54] what would you do to stop the Nazis? Is
[00:34:56] it okay to kill baby Hitler? those kind
[00:34:58] of sort of parlor game intellectual
[00:35:00] musings about moral philosophy. What
[00:35:03] what you get when you don't approach it
[00:35:04] seriously but you promote approach it
[00:35:06] comically Candice is Elon Musk is a
[00:35:10] brilliant man a very brilliant fallen
[00:35:13] man. Donald Trump is the man clearly the
[00:35:15] world inverted commas needed for this
[00:35:18] time. Where I got to even as you say as
[00:35:20] a communist is that my mistrust and
[00:35:24] loathing of neoliberal
[00:35:27] marionets and pretenders hiding behind
[00:35:30] faux morality who wear every single
[00:35:32] judgment you could tug a thread. You
[00:35:34] know, Hillary Clinton shrill and
[00:35:35] outraged about the Qatari jet and yet
[00:35:38] the Clinton Foundation taking millions
[00:35:41] from the very same United Arab Emir
[00:35:43] nations just makes you almost yawn at
[00:35:47] their lack of morality. Well, what I
[00:35:49] would say we're living in now is an age
[00:35:52] of a revival of national po national
[00:35:55] nationalist populism to act as a
[00:35:56] bullvver against globalism. And it's a
[00:35:59] good a prophylactic as people are likely
[00:36:01] to come up with. Forgive the word. I
[00:36:02] know you're a Catholic. And I um and
[00:36:05] also the the other thing is a kind of as
[00:36:08] you suggested in your question the
[00:36:10] elevation of brilliant but obviously
[00:36:13] limited because they are men to
[00:36:16] positions of outrageous power. Now I
[00:36:18] would any day take an Elon Musk over a
[00:36:22] Jeff Bezos or a Mark Zuckerberg based on
[00:36:24] the limited amount I know about any of
[00:36:26] them. Elon Musk may be a great genius
[00:36:29] when it comes to technological
[00:36:31] innovation, marketing, the understanding
[00:36:33] of the require I mean it's a long long
[00:36:35] portfolio of excellence that he has
[00:36:37] access to. But I would say that when
[00:36:40] people like Elon, not people like him,
[00:36:42] he's a unique and as I keep saying
[00:36:43] brilliant man. when anyone has access to
[00:36:46] that amount of power, I would want to
[00:36:48] start looking at the structures of power
[00:36:51] themselves or the institutions
[00:36:52] themselves because I don't think anybody
[00:36:55] is capable of yielding that much power
[00:36:58] particularly with the way that the world
[00:36:59] operates now. Look at the revision
[00:37:00] that's taking place around figures that
[00:37:03] you just would have irrefutably regarded
[00:37:07] as unreachable irrable rather geniuses.
[00:37:11] Churchill, like a sort of magnificent
[00:37:13] hero that sort of almost burned himself
[00:37:15] on the altar of war. Uh Martin Luther
[00:37:18] King, a person who had allowed himself
[00:37:20] to be consumed by the civil rights
[00:37:22] struggle. Gandhi happy to be martyed for
[00:37:25] the freedom of India. All broken, all
[00:37:27] flawed. Gandhi, oh he slept in a bed
[00:37:29] with his nieces. Martin Luther King was
[00:37:30] having sex with his secretary. Winston
[00:37:32] Churchill was an alcoholic and
[00:37:34] overplayed his hand in dresdon to the
[00:37:36] detriment of the German people. Well,
[00:37:37] guess what? they're not perfect and
[00:37:38] perfection is not a standard that's ever
[00:37:40] going to be attained by any human being.
[00:37:41] So perhaps look at how you institute
[00:37:43] systems and if they're not a reflection
[00:37:45] of divine and holy values, you will come
[00:37:47] across the same flaws and failings that
[00:37:49] human beings always come across. Hubris,
[00:37:51] uh love of power, false idolatry.
[00:37:54] Scripture is full of people that for a
[00:37:55] moment have the holy hand, whether it's
[00:37:56] Saul or Solomon, but then turn again to
[00:37:59] their own power. for you or I can we be
[00:38:01] confident even with the limited power we
[00:38:03] possess through the screens that people
[00:38:04] watch us on now that I won't fall again
[00:38:06] that I'm not consumed by the fact that I
[00:38:07] feel like I'm being unfairly attacked by
[00:38:10] deep state authority authoritarian power
[00:38:13] media conspiracy albeit it's a gun I
[00:38:15] loaded through years of clumsy foolish
[00:38:18] consensual promiscuity how can I feel my
[00:38:22] human fear around those ideas and keep
[00:38:25] focused on my own fundamental irrelevant
[00:38:28] acceptance how to how I may serve you. I
[00:38:30] know you have challenges in your life.
[00:38:32] You've had an extraordinary ascent,
[00:38:34] brilliant relationships, brilliant
[00:38:36] alliances, some of which have not worked
[00:38:38] out. And you're a mother and a wife and
[00:38:40] a woman, and you're going to have to
[00:38:41] deal with your own fallibility.
[00:38:43] Thankfully, the one thing both you and I
[00:38:45] have elected to do is turn away from
[00:38:47] self where possible, albeit falteringly
[00:38:49] and failingly, and towards Christ, and
[00:38:51] to focus on what we are told, not what
[00:38:54] we just deduce and make up. I'm told I'm
[00:38:57] I'm married. That means I'm married.
[00:38:59] That means I'm with my wife now. I'm
[00:39:00] with my wife when I'm walking down
[00:39:02] bleeding Broadway in Nashville last
[00:39:04] night. My daughters and my my daughters
[00:39:06] are at my side and my son is in my arms
[00:39:07] and I'm with my wife. There's not a
[00:39:09] moment where I get to say, "Oh, it'd be
[00:39:10] nice to look at some pornography. It
[00:39:12] would be nice to cash in on some female
[00:39:14] attention. Those days are long, long
[00:39:16] gone and good riddance." But you know, I
[00:39:20] sometimes hanker after outrageous power.
[00:39:22] In fact, just before everything kicked
[00:39:23] off in my country, I was thinking about
[00:39:24] running for mayor. There was a mayoral
[00:39:26] election in London. And I was just
[00:39:27] starting to talk to people about it,
[00:39:29] whether or not I could get some sort of
[00:39:31] like, you know, populist pseudo
[00:39:32] celebrity sort of rush to minimal local
[00:39:38] political power in in London. And some
[00:39:40] might argue that London could do with a
[00:39:42] a populist mayor that's sensitive to the
[00:39:44] needs of working people, aware of
[00:39:46] Britain's national identity and some of
[00:39:48] the challenges that city faces. But
[00:39:50] that's not the way that it rolled out at
[00:39:52] that moment in time. And in a way
[00:39:53] perhaps that's a great blessing because
[00:39:54] I'm a deeply fallible flawed human
[00:39:57] being. I'm malleable and foolish and
[00:40:00] hubristic and the best I can do is like
[00:40:02] our great teacher and leader Paul own
[00:40:05] that. Own that maybe maybe in our
[00:40:07] weakness he may be strong in us. Maybe
[00:40:09] if we're willing to be sacrificed on the
[00:40:11] cross that he can be reborn in us. Maybe
[00:40:13] then we can be a vessel for his power.
[00:40:16] Because if it's coming from Russell it
[00:40:18] will end up being selfish and foolish
[00:40:20] and broken. And to to know that is at
[00:40:22] least to know something. I think one of
[00:40:24] the things I struggle with with a lot of
[00:40:26] these characters that are being kind of
[00:40:28] put into the forefront throughout this
[00:40:30] administration, whether you're talking
[00:40:31] about Peter Teal, who's very close to JD
[00:40:32] Vance, or you're talking about Elon
[00:40:34] Musk, who was in there for a moment, is
[00:40:37] I've I've begun to view everyone through
[00:40:40] the lens of family. Um, and if you think
[00:40:43] about Christ, when we say, okay, well,
[00:40:45] we're leaning towards Christ, you know,
[00:40:47] we're we're finding our faith. We're
[00:40:48] leaning into Christ. Well, what what
[00:40:50] would be leaning into the Antichrist?
[00:40:51] What is Antichrist? Just kind of
[00:40:52] breaking that down. What is Antichrist?
[00:40:54] Right. Self um anything that aspires to
[00:40:57] destroy or pervert the family unit, I
[00:40:59] would say, is is quickly behind it,
[00:41:01] right? Because there is to be
[00:41:02] Christlike. You're talking about I'm
[00:41:04] with my wife. I'm with my kids. Say
[00:41:07] about why I really appreciate Tucker
[00:41:08] Carlson. It's how he lives his life as
[00:41:10] he as he leads his family, right? Um my
[00:41:12] grandfather was the same way. I think
[00:41:14] it's if if there's any reason why I
[00:41:16] turned out like I did and and have the
[00:41:18] values that I have is because of my
[00:41:18] grandfather. My grandfather was like
[00:41:20] Lord and then family you know faith
[00:41:22] family and I worry about this sort of AI
[00:41:26] automated future that I think that we're
[00:41:28] barreling towards. Um where we have
[00:41:30] these people that are interested in
[00:41:32] shaping the future of our countries but
[00:41:35] to what end if they don't aspire to
[00:41:38] family right and this kind of you know
[00:41:40] Elon Musk impregnating so many women via
[00:41:42] IVF. That's weird to me. I just find
[00:41:44] that to be weird. It makes me
[00:41:45] uncomfortable and I can't explain it
[00:41:46] where I I just don't want someone who
[00:41:48] thinks the future is us, I don't know,
[00:41:51] being robots, you know, is that really
[00:41:53] is that what we want? Have we stopped to
[00:41:55] consider what how these people are
[00:41:56] living their lives and what that
[00:41:58] actually means? And so that's something
[00:42:00] that I worry about is is it just seems
[00:42:03] to me that there is this very
[00:42:05] intentional
[00:42:07] um race towards an automated future. And
[00:42:11] I think a lot of these guys are playing
[00:42:13] a part in it. Sam Alultman, Elon Musk,
[00:42:15] Peter Teal. And because we view
[00:42:17] ourselves as left versus right. And so
[00:42:19] if somebody good about Trump, we're
[00:42:21] like, "Yeah." If somebody says, you
[00:42:22] know, something good about Camala
[00:42:24] Harris, you're like, "Yeah, we're all
[00:42:25] in." That we don't necessarily stop and
[00:42:27] pause and say, "Okay, but actually,
[00:42:28] where do these people stand on Christ?"
[00:42:30] And and what I'm and I'm saying there is
[00:42:32] truth. Where do these people stand on um
[00:42:35] this issue, that issue? Are they
[00:42:37] Antichrist or are they for Christ on
[00:42:38] these topics? And that might be where I
[00:42:40] find myself a bit of an orphan at the
[00:42:43] moment. I don't think you're an orphan.
[00:42:45] I think you're a beloved daughter on on
[00:42:48] that basis. And I think it's an
[00:42:51] excellent tool. I was thinking about
[00:42:54] what Christ has said about marriage and
[00:42:57] certainly I feel that scripturally
[00:43:01] life without family is possible. He
[00:43:03] himself was a celibate single man albeit
[00:43:07] a god man. And I feel that in marriage
[00:43:10] we can emulate the church's relationship
[00:43:13] as a whole with our spouse. And
[00:43:16] certainly I can see the many benefic
[00:43:19] benefits of the institution of marriage
[00:43:21] and I am the privileged recipient of
[00:43:23] those benefits thanks to my beloved wife
[00:43:25] Laura. But I would say that your point
[00:43:29] about Christ or Antichrist as the
[00:43:32] spectrum upon which we are all moving is
[00:43:35] an accurate one and a good means of
[00:43:38] assessment. When people as is customary
[00:43:41] and somewhat popular these days make
[00:43:44] claims that the cultural legacy of
[00:43:46] Christianity is with value of value. I
[00:43:48] like the architecture or I like the
[00:43:51] morality or the idea that life has
[00:43:53] meaning and value and that we're sacred
[00:43:56] and because we are made in his image
[00:43:58] because we bear his hallmark his
[00:43:59] molecular signature that when George
[00:44:01] Orwell describes a boot stamping on the
[00:44:04] face of a human being forever as the
[00:44:06] ultimate dystopic image. He is
[00:44:08] describing the state's tendency and
[00:44:10] desire to scrub away God's signature
[00:44:13] across all life, across humankind, and
[00:44:16] across nature. I would say that the sort
[00:44:19] of tower of babel component that's
[00:44:22] within technological progressivism is a
[00:44:24] great cause for concern and
[00:44:27] constonnation. And yet our Lord uses the
[00:44:29] image of the yoke which would have been
[00:44:32] technology once to be bound together
[00:44:35] with him to walk his steps with him. His
[00:44:38] yoke is light. The burden is not hard to
[00:44:41] carry. If all technology might be used
[00:44:44] like this yoke in the service of walking
[00:44:46] with our Lord, then Neuralink could be
[00:44:48] fantastic. Then AI could be magnificent.
[00:44:50] Then rocket ships could be glorious. But
[00:44:53] my sense is that from as long as there's
[00:44:55] been technology, the technology has
[00:44:57] almost by default ended up in the hands
[00:44:59] of the most powerful individuals and
[00:45:01] institutions and been utilized for them
[00:45:03] to maximize their power and to preserve
[00:45:05] their system. Any system whether it's
[00:45:07] the human anatomy or a virus or global
[00:45:10] economics has its own self-preservation
[00:45:12] as its utmost priority otherwise well
[00:45:14] that's the obviously its terminity is
[00:45:17] assured. So I would say that this myth
[00:45:21] of progressivism under which we've long
[00:45:23] toiled which requires that we forget
[00:45:25] perhaps deep history forgotten and lost
[00:45:27] worlds that we may have once inhabited
[00:45:29] so that we can all toil labor and
[00:45:32] continue to worship under the illusion
[00:45:34] that it's never been like this before.
[00:45:36] Whether it's penicellin or Tesla, we're
[00:45:38] roaring onwards. And now we know that a
[00:45:40] woman's place isn't in the home. It's in
[00:45:42] the workplace and you can do what you
[00:45:44] want. And we're the gods of our own
[00:45:45] bodies and we're the gods of the vaccine
[00:45:47] and we're the gods of the molecules. You
[00:45:49] can snip off that and stitch up that and
[00:45:51] you can do this or that or whatever
[00:45:52] because you are god cuz there is no god.
[00:45:54] This idea that we're advancing somewhere
[00:45:56] that there is a telos and that we're in
[00:45:58] control of it. that I believe to be the
[00:46:00] ultimate devil worship because what it
[00:46:03] has done is it's posited that human
[00:46:05] rational power the power of the
[00:46:06] individual and our collective power I
[00:46:08] suppose is democracy the idea that a
[00:46:10] mandated mass is equivalent to a god is
[00:46:12] that what the proposition is is somehow
[00:46:16] superior to the divine authority of our
[00:46:19] creator God the father our triune
[00:46:21] relational god our god that sent his
[00:46:24] only son the son that gives us the
[00:46:26] advocacy of the holy spirit that that
[00:46:28] power can be user that that power can be
[00:46:30] ignored that that power can be emulated
[00:46:32] and replaced and people make
[00:46:34] intellectual claims abundantly and I
[00:46:36] don't feel like they fully know what
[00:46:38] they're saying and even that he says
[00:46:40] from the cross forgive them they know
[00:46:41] not what they do when the claim is made
[00:46:43] that we will solve disease that we will
[00:46:44] solve poverty that we will occupy Mars
[00:46:47] that we'll do this or that it we are
[00:46:49] advancing from a point that we should
[00:46:51] never have left we are marching
[00:46:52] forthright out of Eden not turning back
[00:46:54] to glance at the flaming sword I don't
[00:46:57] think we're advancing at all no I I
[00:46:59] think that's one of the great illusions.
[00:47:00] And I wonder I I I when I take a look at
[00:47:02] the world today and I look at the
[00:47:03] ancient civilizations that were bombing,
[00:47:05] the old church structures that were
[00:47:06] bombing, I see this very intentional
[00:47:08] darkening darkening of mankind. I
[00:47:10] actually think if you want to get into
[00:47:11] my conspiracies that the enlightenment
[00:47:13] was not an enlightenment. I think it was
[00:47:14] the darkening of mankind. I think
[00:47:16] something happened. There was some sort
[00:47:17] of a great reset in about 1850. And if
[00:47:20] you control the textbooks and you
[00:47:22] control what people know and they tell
[00:47:23] you, "Oh, well, it was so terrible and
[00:47:24] everybody was dying. We don't know. We
[00:47:26] have no idea." And and I do think that
[00:47:28] there is um we have removed ourselves
[00:47:31] from the source like we've removed
[00:47:32] ourselves from God in so many ways. And
[00:47:34] I mean even when I realized and this is
[00:47:36] like a small thing that happened in my
[00:47:37] life so this is totally anecdotal but
[00:47:39] when I moved down here and Tennessee and
[00:47:41] I was like okay well I want to start to
[00:47:42] to grow stuff like I'm from New York
[00:47:44] City. I want to learn to like grow
[00:47:45] vegetables and kind of went outside and
[00:47:48] realized I had no idea how to do that. I
[00:47:50] had no idea what agricultural zone I was
[00:47:51] in. I didn't know what could grow. And I
[00:47:53] said and this is advanced civilization.
[00:47:55] I can't feed myself. I don't know how to
[00:47:57] grow uh and and drop a seed out. And
[00:47:59] then I this this older woman who's got
[00:48:02] like 26 grandchildren helped me and
[00:48:04] she's like, "You just put the seeds in
[00:48:05] the dirt and here's what grows here."
[00:48:07] And just this spiritual awakening that I
[00:48:11] had that I was an absolute idiot, you
[00:48:13] know, for all the fancy things living in
[00:48:15] New York City, okay, if the electricity
[00:48:17] went out, they would die. They would all
[00:48:19] die, okay? And they are the brightest
[00:48:21] minds. Oh, they're so bright. They're so
[00:48:23] smart. They have these cars, you know,
[00:48:25] these cars that can drive by themselves.
[00:48:27] Oh, so you're saying they can't drive?
[00:48:28] Like, you know, so the people, we're
[00:48:29] going to get to a place where we don't
[00:48:30] know how to drive. We don't know how to
[00:48:32] grow our own food. We don't know how to
[00:48:34] take care of our own children. I mean,
[00:48:35] even the idea, and this is another thing
[00:48:38] I thought about recently, obviously,
[00:48:38] because I'm exclusively breastfeeding my
[00:48:40] my infant. And I'm thinking to myself, I
[00:48:42] I I sent a a text to Brett Cooper who
[00:48:46] who I used to a former colleague of mine
[00:48:48] and I said to her because she's
[00:48:49] pregnant, think about the fact that they
[00:48:50] created this environment where women are
[00:48:54] paying
[00:48:56] going to the store and paying for
[00:48:58] formula and this is now a household
[00:49:00] expense, right? Formula because it's
[00:49:02] easier, you'll be able to get to work.
[00:49:03] That's something that your body just
[00:49:05] produces for free. I mean, we're really
[00:49:07] quite dumb. If you spend a lot of time
[00:49:09] thinking about it, we're idiots. Our
[00:49:11] grandparents were smarter than us. Think
[00:49:13] about this all the time. My grandfather
[00:49:14] could go outside. He knew every, you
[00:49:16] know, this grows here, that's poison. He
[00:49:18] could look at it and tell you if you had
[00:49:19] a burn, a cut, he knew what he could
[00:49:21] pull and fix. And we have none of that
[00:49:23] knowledge because we've given it to
[00:49:24] these gods, these doctors. And what do
[00:49:26] we get for it? We get vaccines. We get
[00:49:28] kids that have never been sicker. You're
[00:49:29] telling me that society has advanced and
[00:49:31] kids are allergic to oxygen. I mean, I'm
[00:49:33] I'm being facitious a little bit,
[00:49:34] hyperbolic, but these kids are allergic
[00:49:36] to everything. They're like peanuts and
[00:49:37] tree nuts and now they can't allow sea
[00:49:39] nuts and and D-nuts. And I'm going,
[00:49:40] okay, kids are allergic to everything
[00:49:43] and you're telling me that this is
[00:49:44] because there's been medical
[00:49:45] advancements. Women don't know how to
[00:49:46] feed their own children and I stopped
[00:49:49] reading the internet of telling me how
[00:49:50] to do. I'm like, why am I asking the
[00:49:51] internet like how often I should feed my
[00:49:54] in this is so weird. I'm in some weird
[00:49:55] ass simulation where we've let go of our
[00:49:58] our instinct, our our divine instinct.
[00:50:01] And so, no, I actually think this is not
[00:50:04] progress. And I think that when you get
[00:50:05] these tech lords that come in and tell
[00:50:07] you how great it's going to be when your
[00:50:10] car is going to be able to drive itself,
[00:50:12] I just think no thank you. Excellent.
[00:50:15] You're describing degeneration.
[00:50:17] Degeneration almost by definition is a
[00:50:19] decomposition down to the smallest unit.
[00:50:22] That's what happens when things
[00:50:23] degenerate. If you degenerate down to
[00:50:25] the level of the individual, you have no
[00:50:27] cohesion. You have no elders. You have
[00:50:29] no wise woman that's going to tell you
[00:50:30] how to grow vegetables or and encourage
[00:50:33] you how to look after your children. No
[00:50:35] multi-generational
[00:50:36] relationships, no true family, no
[00:50:39] community. Ancestry is so important.
[00:50:41] It's Yes, you're quite right. You're
[00:50:44] quite right. This idea of dependency is
[00:50:46] important because we are 100% dependent
[00:50:48] on our Lord and Creator. Again, St.
[00:50:50] Francis regarded dependency in its uh I
[00:50:54] understand in its Latin root. I'm
[00:50:55] certainly obviously not a scholar of
[00:50:56] Latin means hung upon and St. Francis
[00:50:59] apparently would sometimes like a
[00:51:00] landscape artist stand upon his head to
[00:51:03] look at the vistas to get a new
[00:51:05] perspective so that he didn't so he
[00:51:07] began to question his environment. So
[00:51:09] suddenly the masonry and tall towers of
[00:51:11] Aisi looked suddenly not solid and
[00:51:15] permanent but but by the very fact of
[00:51:17] their weight hanging upside down. The
[00:51:20] masonry and towers look suddenly
[00:51:21] fragile, elegant, delicate, capable of
[00:51:24] falling. If you've ever looked at
[00:51:26] Jupiter and his moons through a
[00:51:29] telescope, you will see that it looks so
[00:51:31] fragile out there. These vast entities,
[00:51:34] these great spatial objects hung upon
[00:51:37] the moment. Once it would have been
[00:51:38] natural for us to depend entirely on God
[00:51:41] to have moments of recognition,
[00:51:43] acknowledgement and prayer before every
[00:51:44] meal, before making love, before
[00:51:46] embarking on a business negotiation. Now
[00:51:48] all things are profane, everything
[00:51:50] desacralized, everything cast out. And
[00:51:53] yet look at its results. We have created
[00:51:56] new gods. We are dependent now on the
[00:51:58] state. Uh when back in the glorious days
[00:52:01] of my communism and anarchy that you
[00:52:03] disrupted that faithful day on that
[00:52:05] visit, I was familiar with an anarchist
[00:52:07] saying that um we have been deskkilled.
[00:52:10] There was a time where men would know
[00:52:12] how to fix their car, women know how to
[00:52:14] make food or you know and of course that
[00:52:15] I'm not saying that you have to be
[00:52:16] entirely defined by sexes in in matters
[00:52:19] of that nature but the idea yes that we
[00:52:21] don't know how to feed ourselves. They
[00:52:22] want to create false dependency. What is
[00:52:25] our natural state with our relationship
[00:52:26] with God? Dependence. We are dependent
[00:52:28] on God. They want us dependent on them.
[00:52:31] You are right. We're one solar flare
[00:52:32] away, one power cut away from savagery,
[00:52:35] from the savagery that in a sense
[00:52:37] legitimizes their control. Not only
[00:52:39] that, Candice, like think of what is
[00:52:42] unconsciously being inculcated that your
[00:52:44] body isn't a sanctuary, a temple. Did
[00:52:47] you not know that your body is a temple?
[00:52:49] Your body can feed your baby. Your body
[00:52:51] is perfect. You don't need to give that
[00:52:53] job to Nestle or encourage you to
[00:52:56] pollute it. you know, you're drinking
[00:52:57] and making it sexy, like, you know, wine
[00:53:00] culture for women, which is obviously
[00:53:02] aimed at like, oh, it's so classy if
[00:53:03] you'd have a glass of wine. I mean, I'm
[00:53:05] just so conscious of this stuff now. And
[00:53:06] I'm telling you, mankind is growing
[00:53:08] increasingly incapable, increasingly
[00:53:11] inefficient, and at the same exact time
[00:53:13] that we're being told that we've never
[00:53:15] been more efficient. I'll give you
[00:53:16] another example anecdotally is, so I was
[00:53:18] going to this cafe every day when I
[00:53:19] lived in Philadelphia. And I every
[00:53:21] single day would drive, I would put it
[00:53:22] where it was in my GPS, and I would
[00:53:24] drive about 3 miles to it. I got about
[00:53:26] six months and I realized I don't know
[00:53:27] how to get to this cafe. I keep putting
[00:53:29] it into my ways and I keep looking at
[00:53:31] the phone to drive this cafe. But like
[00:53:32] I've been doing this for three months. I
[00:53:33] should know how to get to the cafe. So
[00:53:35] one day I said I put my phone away and
[00:53:36] try to get to this cafe and I had to and
[00:53:38] within two days I learned how to get
[00:53:40] there. Well, I've come so reliant on the
[00:53:42] tech go left here, go right here that it
[00:53:44] could pause what for 6 months I've
[00:53:47] driven to a cafe and I don't know where
[00:53:48] it is on the map. That's getting dumber.
[00:53:50] Tech is making us dumber because we're
[00:53:51] becoming more and more reliant on tech
[00:53:53] which then creates a problem when you
[00:53:55] have these tech lords who realize that
[00:53:56] like they're selling us it's going to be
[00:53:58] easy. It's going to be so much easier.
[00:53:59] Just let let ways do the thinking for
[00:54:01] you. Even AI, the answers have been so
[00:54:03] wrong. I I play this game with my
[00:54:04] husband. He's like, "Well, this is
[00:54:05] supposed to be a really good AI." Um and
[00:54:07] I don't remember which one it was.
[00:54:08] They've all got their own names now.
[00:54:09] There's Grock, there's this, there's
[00:54:10] this guy, whatever. Um and I said,
[00:54:12] "Well, let's ask it a question that we
[00:54:13] know the answer to." I mean, I have so
[00:54:15] many times it's been patently wrong
[00:54:17] about me. What like would you ask it?
[00:54:19] Well, so there was for for whatever
[00:54:20] reason when Grock first got started, it
[00:54:22] was convinced I was Jewish, which is
[00:54:23] quite hilarious.
[00:54:26] Sorry. That my husband that my husband
[00:54:28] was Jewish and they got this information
[00:54:30] because all it is obviously it's
[00:54:31] scraping information from the internet.
[00:54:33] So that just means that it gives the
[00:54:34] same power to the New York Post and if
[00:54:38] they say something is true, then it's
[00:54:39] true. So if you say is cano
[00:54:40] anti-semitic, well, what has been
[00:54:41] published the most? Is it a yes or a no?
[00:54:43] and they'll explain to you why it's true
[00:54:45] based on scraping the data from the
[00:54:46] people that have the most power to
[00:54:47] create the data in the first place. So,
[00:54:49] it's nonsense. Yeah, people were arguing
[00:54:51] with me online telling me that my
[00:54:52] husband was Jewish. And I was going, but
[00:54:54] he's not. I mean, it's fine if he is,
[00:54:55] but he's not. And then at some point,
[00:54:57] they realized and then they the AI
[00:54:59] corrected it, but people will be relying
[00:55:01] on that and going, well, it's it's AI,
[00:55:03] so it can't be wrong. And it's like, no,
[00:55:05] it it can be wrong. Okay, if if it had
[00:55:07] scraped all the data during COVID about
[00:55:09] whether the vaccines were safe or
[00:55:10] whether the vaccines were going to keep
[00:55:12] you safe from COVID, it was going to
[00:55:13] tell you yes, you have to think like you
[00:55:16] have to do this by yourself. You cannot
[00:55:18] rely on technology. It's making us
[00:55:20] stupid and I am it's one of the things
[00:55:22] that concerns me the most. It's like
[00:55:23] people can't even read. They don't even
[00:55:25] have the attention span to sit down and
[00:55:28] read a book cover to cover anymore. Our
[00:55:30] children are becoming increasingly more
[00:55:32] dumb with every generation. And so I am
[00:55:35] like I think the greatest generation was
[00:55:36] my granddad's generation. You know, I
[00:55:38] think we've kind of gotten really stupid
[00:55:40] since. Yeah. But we needn't yield to it.
[00:55:42] We needn't yield. We can be fueled
[00:55:44] again. There is a revival happening. We
[00:55:46] are participating in the revival. Do you
[00:55:48] know how to grow your food? Even now,
[00:55:49] I'm going to go straight from here to a
[00:55:51] garden center. I'm going to buy myself a
[00:55:53] packet of carrots. I'm going to empty
[00:55:55] whatever sacks of fertilizer Lindsey
[00:55:57] Graham is carrying in his trousers by
[00:55:59] whatever means he prefers. And I have no
[00:56:01] opinion on what that might be. and I
[00:56:03] will grow me some carrots and I'll paint
[00:56:04] a missile like shape on it and I'll give
[00:56:06] it right back to Lindsay and Lindsay you
[00:56:07] can put that wherever you want to
[00:56:08] darling. Yeah. Have you ever hunted? But
[00:56:10] do you think about that? Like if you
[00:56:11] just turned off all the lights wherever
[00:56:13] you live in in England if they turn off
[00:56:15] all the electricity like how long are
[00:56:17] you surviving? Listen I am friends with
[00:56:19] Bear Grills. Bear Grills is a bold
[00:56:21] Christian who remained friends with me
[00:56:23] even as the very nation itself turned
[00:56:25] like a sort of a yping praying mantis to
[00:56:27] devour one of its great sons. Me in this
[00:56:29] instance. And and I I would say that um
[00:56:32] not good enough. Not good enough. But
[00:56:33] listen to this. It's what they want to
[00:56:35] create. The modalities are safety and
[00:56:37] convenience. We're we're going to keep
[00:56:39] you safe and this is for your
[00:56:40] convenience. These are the tools that
[00:56:42] the beast will use to lure you in. It's
[00:56:44] not going to tell you I'm oppressing you
[00:56:45] because I'm a sort of a new bureaucratic
[00:56:47] Hitler. I'm some fusion of Orwell, Kfka,
[00:56:50] and Huxley offering you sort of a
[00:56:53] comfortable uteral safety. the
[00:56:54] distraction of the soma and the unending
[00:56:57] bureaucracy and shifting rules and the
[00:56:59] lawfare and the confusion. No, of course
[00:57:00] it's not going to tell you that it they
[00:57:02] want, I believe, Candice to turn the
[00:57:04] whole world into an airport full of
[00:57:06] checkpoints and measures that are
[00:57:08] continually undertaken, rituals voided
[00:57:11] of meaning, voided of ceremonial power,
[00:57:14] continual hollow removal of shoes, take
[00:57:17] this vaccine, sign this, declare your
[00:57:20] obedience to this. Only then when they
[00:57:22] have created an environment where
[00:57:23] sterility and sanitary conditions are
[00:57:26] above all else, then then they can do
[00:57:29] conduct whatever final experimentation
[00:57:30] of population reduction they're
[00:57:32] interested in. Because the truth is I
[00:57:34] believe that the epochs traveled thusly.
[00:57:37] Agricultural revolution maners nature.
[00:57:39] Industrial revolution maners matter.
[00:57:41] Technological revolution maners
[00:57:44] attention and consciousness itself. They
[00:57:46] want absolute control over attention and
[00:57:48] consciousness. The problem is, of
[00:57:49] course, that you have to multiply
[00:57:50] agriculture by industry because then you
[00:57:52] got industrial agriculture. We're moving
[00:57:54] so far away from the time where you
[00:57:56] might say, "Do you know what? I'd like
[00:57:57] to check out of this system. I'd like
[00:57:58] our own community where we can grow and
[00:58:00] rear our own food, trade where only
[00:58:02] necessary, use technology. Perhaps we
[00:58:04] will use cryptocurrencies to parallel
[00:58:06] trade and parallel barter and use the
[00:58:08] miracle of modern contemporary
[00:58:10] technology to maximize the freedom of
[00:58:12] the individual that we may worship God
[00:58:14] that we may live by God's principles not
[00:58:16] by the deacto false idols mollocks and
[00:58:18] bales that they're setting up for us to
[00:58:20] worship. Because if you can have Airbnb
[00:58:23] and aggregate empty hotel rooms and if
[00:58:25] you can have Uber and suddenly you can
[00:58:27] centrally coagulate and yet somehow
[00:58:29] democratize the taxi cab all for the
[00:58:31] offshore profits of various companies
[00:58:33] that benefit for it then surely this
[00:58:35] very same technology could be used to
[00:58:36] run communities to have true democracy
[00:58:39] and if what people want is nationalism
[00:58:41] they can have it and if what they want
[00:58:42] is Sharia law they can have it and if
[00:58:43] what people want is LGBTQ plus gender
[00:58:46] fluidity then they can have it. People
[00:58:48] can live now in communities according to
[00:58:50] their will. Me, I will follow the path
[00:58:52] of Christ which includes non-judgment
[00:58:54] and wherever possible trying my best in
[00:58:56] all my failing to move towards love and
[00:58:58] forgiveness and loving one another as he
[00:58:59] loved us. That means up to the point of
[00:59:01] death if required up to the point of
[00:59:03] death. And this then might mean that we
[00:59:06] can diffuse some of this ongoing never-
[00:59:08] ending constant cattleing clap trap
[00:59:10] cacophony of argument that defines our
[00:59:12] culture these days and move into
[00:59:14] something like a solution which it seems
[00:59:16] like you're ready to do that your family
[00:59:18] are ready to do that my family are ready
[00:59:19] to do and like why do we want to
[00:59:21] fetishize the areas where we disagree?
[00:59:23] Why do we want to fetishize that? I'm it
[00:59:25] don't actually matter to me what all
[00:59:27] these movie stars or geopolitical powers
[00:59:29] are doing. just would like to be able to
[00:59:31] happily grow a carrot, tend to an
[00:59:34] animal, and raise my children according
[00:59:36] to my beliefs. Yeah. You know, I think
[00:59:37] one of the biggest answers to society,
[00:59:40] and I say this as a a former feminist,
[00:59:42] you know, when I was young, of course, I
[00:59:43] think most people when they're younger
[00:59:44] are on the left and I was a feminist
[00:59:47] because of whatever I was learning in
[00:59:49] school that caught me up in that
[00:59:50] feminist simulation. And now that I'm a
[00:59:52] mother and it it I think it's just quite
[00:59:54] evil. It's like it's the thing that
[00:59:55] gives the women that gives women the
[00:59:57] most clarity, the most perspective, the
[00:59:59] most wisdom. It the happiness of the
[01:00:03] family unit and you're being told,
[01:00:05] "Nope, nope. You got to compete with
[01:00:07] men. You don't want to have children.
[01:00:08] Suspend children for as long as
[01:00:09] possible. Take all of these horrible
[01:00:11] toxic birth control pills because, you
[01:00:13] know, you need to have control over your
[01:00:14] body because men don't have to get
[01:00:16] pregnant." And when I reflect on that, I
[01:00:18] just think this is such an intentional
[01:00:19] evil. This is not by accident. You know,
[01:00:21] this is when I talk about these elements
[01:00:23] of Antichrist, right? What are we
[01:00:24] talking about here? You're you're
[01:00:26] telling a woman, you know, she's got to
[01:00:27] compete with her own. She's got to be at
[01:00:29] war with her own biology. You know, in
[01:00:30] order to stick it to the man, she's got
[01:00:32] to be at war with her own biology. And
[01:00:34] at the same time, you're telling men
[01:00:35] that they have to act like women, which
[01:00:36] is incredible. You're telling women to
[01:00:38] act like men while you're saying to men,
[01:00:40] being masculine is toxic. It's toxic
[01:00:42] masculinity. These terms that get you to
[01:00:44] reject your nature. And anything that is
[01:00:46] at war with nature, it's necessarily, of
[01:00:48] course, at war with God. And so I think
[01:00:50] deeply about that and there there are so
[01:00:51] many things that I've done since I'm say
[01:00:53] really the last years that I've done
[01:00:56] because I recognize how wrong my prior
[01:00:59] perspectives were. I mean even like
[01:01:01] going and learning how to hunt in Africa
[01:01:04] the importance of actually catching your
[01:01:05] own food like you you must do this you
[01:01:09] must do this at one point even if you
[01:01:11] don't keep this up it how sacred that
[01:01:13] process is and how it brings you so much
[01:01:15] closer. I don't even like shop at the
[01:01:17] grocery store anymore. I go to the
[01:01:18] farmers market. Like there's something
[01:01:20] that is more spiritual about that
[01:01:22] experience of knowing the farmers and
[01:01:24] the ranchers. And then when I see how
[01:01:26] we're all being driven and we're told
[01:01:27] this is for your convenience, you know,
[01:01:29] this experience is for your convenience.
[01:01:30] The grocery store is for your
[01:01:32] convenience. And no, I think it's it's
[01:01:34] it's very intentional and it's pulling
[01:01:35] us away from like I mean there's just
[01:01:38] the spirit the the spirit of Christ.
[01:01:40] What do we do for like say women that
[01:01:43] will find being a mother difficult?
[01:01:45] Because obviously it is very difficult.
[01:01:46] It is difficult. And how do we then
[01:01:48] afford that? Or what about um women that
[01:01:51] don't feel that that's their identity or
[01:01:53] their role? How do we create a culture
[01:01:56] that accommodates lovingly the variety
[01:01:58] within these general categories? You
[01:02:00] know, it's really interesting. So, I've
[01:02:02] yet, of course, I've met tons of women
[01:02:04] who say, "I don't want to have kids. I
[01:02:05] want to have kids." And then typically
[01:02:06] what happens, I would say for the
[01:02:07] overall majority of them is they hit
[01:02:09] about 28 years old and biology just
[01:02:11] comes online. like when they when they
[01:02:12] uh speak about suddenly a woman realizes
[01:02:15] she's looking at a baby and they've
[01:02:16] gotten a lot cuter. Something happens
[01:02:17] biologically in your mid20s where that
[01:02:19] changes. Um but I think for the women
[01:02:22] that that doesn't change for the first
[01:02:23] question I have is like what birth
[01:02:25] control are you on because there have
[01:02:26] been all these studies that show because
[01:02:28] what are you doing when you're when
[01:02:29] you're on birth control? You're stopping
[01:02:31] your body from going through this
[01:02:32] natural process. You're becoming
[01:02:34] something other. It's like it's other
[01:02:36] than what you would feel naturally if
[01:02:38] you were not loaded up with all of these
[01:02:40] pills. It's not a natural thing for a
[01:02:41] woman to go, I just don't want to have
[01:02:42] kids. It's a natural for a man.
[01:02:44] Procreation is the most natural thing in
[01:02:46] the world. What are we doing here,
[01:02:47] right? If we're not procreating and so's
[01:02:49] gone wrong, I think. And then for the
[01:02:52] very few, and I mean I've maybe met one
[01:02:55] person in my life and it's truly because
[01:02:57] of trauma that they suffered that they
[01:02:59] don't want to procreate. It has more to
[01:03:01] do with I think I'm going to become
[01:03:03] this, which I think a lot of people go
[01:03:04] through. Am I going to be like my
[01:03:05] mother, like my father? Why didn't my
[01:03:06] mother want me? I'm I was adopted.
[01:03:08] whatever that is, that's typically a,
[01:03:10] like I said, a trauma that needs to be
[01:03:11] resolved. Um, and I I don't push it on
[01:03:13] anyone because I everyone's on their own
[01:03:15] journey. I just know what happens on the
[01:03:17] other end of that. The women, you get
[01:03:19] these examples like Chelsea Handler who
[01:03:21] like wrote a book about how funny it was
[01:03:22] when she got all of these abortions who
[01:03:25] and and I genuinely feel so sad for her
[01:03:27] where she now openly speaks about how
[01:03:29] she's on all of these anxiety pills and,
[01:03:31] you know, trying to find meaning in her
[01:03:33] life and meaning was was given to her
[01:03:36] twice. And you wrote a whole book about
[01:03:37] rejecting that, you know, rejecting that
[01:03:39] meaning. And so I feel I feel very sad
[01:03:42] for people like that because I then I
[01:03:43] think what do you fill that cup up with?
[01:03:44] And that's not to say, of course, many
[01:03:46] people are struggling with fertility
[01:03:47] issues, but they want they aspire to
[01:03:49] family. It's so natural to want to
[01:03:51] procreate. So when you find somebody
[01:03:52] that doesn't, I just go, okay, what's
[01:03:54] going on here? I have a lot of questions
[01:03:56] and not up for me to answer those
[01:03:58] questions or to pry any further. But I I
[01:04:00] think it's important for people with
[01:04:01] families to speak out on the gift of it.
[01:04:04] And yes, you're tired. It's exhausting
[01:04:06] and uh I'm I barely slept last night,
[01:04:09] you know, I've got an infant, but that
[01:04:13] exhaustion, the difference between going
[01:04:14] behind and sitting behind a computer and
[01:04:16] working for the man and because your
[01:04:18] infant is crying because you're the only
[01:04:20] thing that makes sense to him, like I
[01:04:22] hope you realize how beautiful that
[01:04:24] exhaustion is. Like there's such beauty
[01:04:26] in in parenting that you you can't
[01:04:28] really describe it to people until until
[01:04:29] they get there. Yes, we have abandoned
[01:04:32] so much. It's like we have willingly
[01:04:34] taken on the manacles and shackles of
[01:04:37] worldliness being told that it somehow
[01:04:39] represents our freedom when lain upon
[01:04:43] the earth as it says in the Gnostic and
[01:04:45] non-cononical gospel of Thomas is the
[01:04:48] kingdom of heaven that it is available
[01:04:50] to us and that isn't the same as a kind
[01:04:52] of bland homogeneity that there are a
[01:04:54] variety of ways that a woman might be a
[01:04:56] mother or a man might be a father or
[01:04:58] elect not to follow that path at all but
[01:05:00] it is nice to know that we're not living
[01:05:02] in a postmodern relativistic world where
[01:05:04] anything can be true and that you might
[01:05:07] decide on this truth or that identity
[01:05:10] that there is a purpose a teology that
[01:05:12] there is a a force a cradle a holding a
[01:05:15] heralding that's taking place and
[01:05:17] certainly my personal experiences since
[01:05:20] becoming a father have been oh right
[01:05:23] like that mad delusion that I toiled
[01:05:26] under that what I am and what I want is
[01:05:29] the most important thing in the world
[01:05:30] and whether that means I've got to
[01:05:32] become famous or earn a bunch of money
[01:05:34] or control what other people think about
[01:05:36] me or make people laugh the whole time.
[01:05:38] I mean, it's it's kind of difficult to
[01:05:40] shake off that programming entirely. And
[01:05:43] I revert to it sometimes. I'm selfish a
[01:05:45] thousand times a day, I'm sure. But what
[01:05:47] I at least have now is an understanding
[01:05:49] that there is a path, that there is a
[01:05:52] way that appears as we walk it through
[01:05:54] him. that if you wear his yoke, if you
[01:05:57] walk alongside him. If in the moment,
[01:05:58] moment to moment, you seek first the
[01:06:00] kingdom of heaven, then righteousness is
[01:06:03] given to you, that I can be a father to
[01:06:05] my son and to my daughters, and I can be
[01:06:08] a husband to my wife. I can I have some
[01:06:10] purpose here in the infinite and the
[01:06:13] unknowable. Why would you accept their
[01:06:16] gods? Why would you accept their gods of
[01:06:18] consuming? How come what are people
[01:06:19] doing? Are we waiting for our last gasp
[01:06:22] before going, "Oh my god, I just spent
[01:06:23] my whole life worshiping the sort of
[01:06:25] illusion of who I thought I was or what
[01:06:26] I was supposed to be doing when it's all
[01:06:29] here abundantly." It's not to say that
[01:06:31] it's not frightening and fraught with
[01:06:32] trepidation and even the just sort of
[01:06:34] mundane business of being the father of
[01:06:38] Mabel and Peggy and Herby. Sometimes
[01:06:41] just a an exhausting weight, an
[01:06:44] exhausting weight. But usually there's
[01:06:45] some lessening. There's some part of
[01:06:47] myself that I need to let go of. Some
[01:06:50] selfish thing that I'm holding on to
[01:06:52] that needs to be relinquished for me to
[01:06:54] be the man they need me to be. Yeah. Men
[01:06:57] need to lead households for a reason. I
[01:06:59] mean, the changes in my husband from
[01:07:01] when we got engaged to when we had our
[01:07:02] children is just incredible. You can't
[01:07:04] even I couldn't even find the words to
[01:07:06] describe it. I think just the weight of
[01:07:08] realizing like I'm a father. Like I
[01:07:11] think men need that weight of I am a
[01:07:13] father. Think about like that's like
[01:07:14] incredible. and now my actions are going
[01:07:17] to impact this child. And especially
[01:07:19] when the children kind of come into
[01:07:21] their own and they understand like the
[01:07:24] father because they at least I have
[01:07:25] three boys and they think that like my
[01:07:28] my husband hung the moon and the stars
[01:07:31] like they're convinced you know it's
[01:07:32] like he's just like daddy I mean daddy
[01:07:33] daddy daddy like it's amazing and that
[01:07:35] weight of that of well your children
[01:07:38] think you're just perfect and you're
[01:07:40] Superman you're this and everything's
[01:07:42] fantastic. You need that. You need that
[01:07:44] weight to push you to be a better
[01:07:46] person, I think. And so it scares me
[01:07:48] when people say, "I don't want children.
[01:07:50] I don't want family." Even if people who
[01:07:51] say, "I don't want children." You don't
[01:07:52] want family. You don't want a husband.
[01:07:54] You don't want somebody else to be
[01:07:55] accountable to. That's what What does
[01:07:56] that say about you? You don't want to be
[01:07:58] you want to be accountable to nothing
[01:07:59] and no one but yourself. Probably not on
[01:08:02] the best trajectory. It might be the
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[01:10:21] I want to ask you a few things if I may,
[01:10:23] even though it's your podcast. Am I
[01:10:24] allowed to? Yeah, of course. How come
[01:10:25] you've gotten involved in like celebrity
[01:10:27] type stuff, you know, like um and and
[01:10:29] how like like some of the big stories
[01:10:31] I've seen you talk about and I'm
[01:10:32] fascinated by your work and I admire it
[01:10:34] and admire the way you conduct yourself
[01:10:36] is like say like say something like
[01:10:37] Blake Blake Lively. I don't know even
[01:10:39] what that means Blake Lively but like so
[01:10:42] and and say something like I obviously
[01:10:44] know what Justin Bieber is because I I
[01:10:45] like Justin Bieber. I feel for him. I
[01:10:47] feel like in a way he's the first ultra
[01:10:48] modern celebrity coming out of YouTube
[01:10:50] just being sort of latcheted and
[01:10:52] parasited and pulled apart and he's
[01:10:54] clearly going through something sort of
[01:10:55] profound and powerful and I've sort of
[01:10:57] pray for him and pray that he gets the
[01:10:58] protection Lord that he uh that he
[01:11:00] evidently needs. Why is it that you've
[01:11:02] got more interest in celebrity stuff and
[01:11:04] how is it like I like it when you do
[01:11:05] these investigative things. How is it
[01:11:07] that you sort of forgive the wording
[01:11:10] really get yourself into get your teeth
[01:11:12] into Bridget Mron's [ __ ] or something?
[01:11:14] How is it that like those stories sort
[01:11:17] of capture your attention and what is
[01:11:19] this sort of shift in you? I know that's
[01:11:20] a somewhat political story and it sort
[01:11:22] of pertains perhaps the globalist
[01:11:23] blackmail and those kind of things but
[01:11:24] the celebrity ones. Maybe you'll
[01:11:26] explain. Yeah. Well, so there's a couple
[01:11:27] of things about the celebrity ones. The
[01:11:29] first thing is, you know, I want people
[01:11:32] to wake up to what Hollywood actually
[01:11:33] is, right? So when you see people like
[01:11:35] Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively and oh
[01:11:37] it's so glamorous and it's perfect and
[01:11:38] then you get this person who just drops
[01:11:40] all of the text messages and the
[01:11:42] plotting and you know the narcissism.
[01:11:44] It's important for people to see that
[01:11:46] you know to to recognize um if you will
[01:11:49] just who these who these people actually
[01:11:52] are versus hold them up as moral icons.
[01:11:55] So what is it? Blake Lively has had an
[01:11:57] affair or Ryan Reynolds had a go. That's
[01:12:00] incredible. No, they just kind of they
[01:12:02] just tried to kick a puppy. I mean there
[01:12:04] they she was doing a movie signed on to
[01:12:05] do a movie. The guy Justin Baldoni was a
[01:12:07] major fan of hers. Loved hers. He was I
[01:12:10] mean he self flagagillating to get to
[01:12:12] get this woman on get this woman on his
[01:12:14] film. He cared deeply about the book to
[01:12:15] bring it to life and he wasn't obviously
[01:12:17] an A-lister. I had never heard his name
[01:12:19] before this. Sorry. Um, and yeah, I
[01:12:22] guess for whatever evil reason, Blake
[01:12:24] and Ryan wanted to take over his whole
[01:12:26] his whole little film production and uh
[01:12:29] how they orchestrated this with their
[01:12:30] star power like you manipulating them
[01:12:32] like we're friends of Taylor Swift,
[01:12:33] we'll do this, we'll do that. Reading it
[01:12:35] was quite stunning is the first thing
[01:12:36] and it it provided a a an opportunity
[01:12:39] for us to really say this is what
[01:12:40] Hollywood is like behind the scenes.
[01:12:41] You'll never see this this closely
[01:12:43] again. But the other element was this
[01:12:44] was how she tried to do it was with this
[01:12:46] fake, you know, she came out and plotted
[01:12:48] with the New York Times to come out with
[01:12:49] the story that he had, you know,
[01:12:51] sexually harassed her on set. Well,
[01:12:53] unbeknownst to her, she said, you know,
[01:12:54] this we were filming this scene, but
[01:12:56] there was um no audio. Well, unbeknownst
[01:12:58] to her, there was audio when they were
[01:13:00] running this, so he then dropped the
[01:13:01] audio and she just lied. I mean, it's
[01:13:03] just it's just crazy that she just
[01:13:05] literally to take this guy down was
[01:13:06] going to just me to him for funsies. And
[01:13:08] he's like, if you go through his
[01:13:10] Instagram, he's he's literally like the
[01:13:11] nicest. He's just like, "How can I be
[01:13:13] nicer to women?" Going back and
[01:13:14] examining myself. He's got this
[01:13:16] beautiful little family and we Why him?
[01:13:18] I don't know because he was weak and
[01:13:19] they could do it, right? Um, and so what
[01:13:21] scares me about that is that I have
[01:13:22] three sons. So, I'm very invested in
[01:13:24] cases about the Me Too, but that kind of
[01:13:25] attaches why I'm interested in the
[01:13:27] Harvey Weinstein case, even though
[01:13:29] Harvey Weinstein was definitively
[01:13:31] immoral. Um, cheated on his wife and
[01:13:33] stands for did a lot of things that
[01:13:34] stand against what I believe in, but he
[01:13:37] didn't rape those girls. There's no
[01:13:38] question in my mind that he didn't rape
[01:13:39] these girls. You read the emails, it's
[01:13:41] crazy. This was what it is. Tail as old
[01:13:42] as time. I've got power. You're sexy.
[01:13:45] What's the trade going on here? And they
[01:13:47] wanted parts. And then when their
[01:13:49] careers didn't take off and it became
[01:13:50] became, you know, um advantageous for
[01:13:53] them to play the victim, they did it. I
[01:13:54] don't like the me too movement. Okay. If
[01:13:56] you want to be a prostitute, be a
[01:13:58] prostitute. But don't re [ __ ] on that
[01:14:00] deal when you don't become Angelina the
[01:14:01] next Angelina Jolie. And so the me too
[01:14:05] issue is very important for me as as a
[01:14:06] mother to three sons. Um there has to be
[01:14:08] justice for men. You can't just you
[01:14:10] can't just call a man a rapist or
[01:14:12] pretend that you were sexually assaulted
[01:14:13] because you want something whether
[01:14:15] that's money success um uh or to write
[01:14:20] your own consciousness which I think in
[01:14:21] the example of Harvey Weinstein you know
[01:14:23] someone said to me if he had looked like
[01:14:25] Brad Pitt they probably would have been
[01:14:26] fine with it but they kind of were like
[01:14:28] I'm doing this thing I'm sleeping with
[01:14:29] Harvey Weinstein what do I get in return
[01:14:31] and they got nothing in return for it so
[01:14:33] I don't like these things and so the
[01:14:34] Blake Lively case is a mixture of the me
[01:14:36] too movement and also just being able to
[01:14:38] shine a light light on Hollywood
[01:14:40] Babylon. You don't like phony morality.
[01:14:42] That's it, isn't it? It's like when
[01:14:43] people are pretending to be moral and
[01:14:45] there is no morality. Well, obviously
[01:14:47] I've got some sort of personal
[01:14:48] investment because I've, as you
[01:14:49] obviously were, cuz thanks for sticking
[01:14:51] up for me, been accused of untrue,
[01:14:56] really serious sex crimes. Um, and I
[01:14:58] suppose I can't go into it with too much
[01:15:00] uh detail and you've not asked me to,
[01:15:02] but the fact of the matter is is that I
[01:15:06] recognize that my behavior was morally,
[01:15:09] you know, you shouldn't be sleeping
[01:15:10] around if you're certainly if you're a
[01:15:11] really successful person, it's really
[01:15:12] easy to sleep with women and there is a
[01:15:15] power imbalance there that that a man of
[01:15:17] God would be wise to and would not
[01:15:20] exploit. But that I think is very
[01:15:22] different from overriding people's will.
[01:15:25] charm and fame are ways in which
[01:15:29] people's will is directed like and all
[01:15:33] the time they just you know and you grew
[01:15:35] up with these women I I was working in
[01:15:37] New York people see a celebrity they
[01:15:38] flock to that celebrity women are
[01:15:40] willing to just so they can say I slept
[01:15:42] with Leonardo DiCaprio and I slept with
[01:15:44] Russell Brand I I I know what it means
[01:15:46] to be a woman and by the way that is
[01:15:51] that is an exchange it's a power that
[01:15:52] women have right beauty what is the
[01:15:54] story telling
[01:15:55] over and over again. Men will lose
[01:15:57] everything because of a beautiful woman.
[01:16:00] And and people are learning that lesson
[01:16:02] the hard way. You know, this is the the
[01:16:03] Helen of Troy. Let's launch the thousand
[01:16:05] ships for this woman. And so men are
[01:16:09] flawed when they see a beautiful woman.
[01:16:11] And women consciously know that. They go
[01:16:13] into these situations knowing what
[01:16:15] they're doing. And in reviewing the
[01:16:16] Harvey Weinstein situation, it was
[01:16:18] challenging for me because I assumed he
[01:16:19] was guilty. Yeah. Because there was so
[01:16:21] much media coverage. I'm like, well,
[01:16:22] there has to be something. There's so
[01:16:23] many women were speaking out. And then
[01:16:24] when I actually got down into it and
[01:16:26] looked into it, I was going, "There's no
[01:16:27] way they convicted him on this." So they
[01:16:29] have all of these emails. You got raped
[01:16:31] and then for 5 years you just kept going
[01:16:32] to see a rapist and and emailing him and
[01:16:34] saying, "I love you." And it's like,
[01:16:35] come on. It's defying common sense here.
[01:16:38] And so I'm I'm sickened by it. And the
[01:16:40] fact that Gloria Alra is at the center
[01:16:41] of it. I I think Michael Jackson told
[01:16:43] the truth about her. He was What did he
[01:16:45] say? Well, he was very much he named
[01:16:47] names including Rabbi Schmoolie,
[01:16:48] strangely enough, and and very much
[01:16:50] implied that this was a gang that was
[01:16:52] operating and uh we'll never know beyond
[01:16:55] that. He had a list of six people uh
[01:16:58] that he had had issues with and Gloria
[01:17:01] Allred was on it. And I think that woman
[01:17:03] is a viper and and you know, she should
[01:17:07] know that hell is an eternity. And so
[01:17:09] your your wins here. you think you're
[01:17:11] taking down people, branding people as
[01:17:14] rapists, a sexual accuser, so that you
[01:17:16] can get money and more power for
[01:17:17] yourself, you will meet your maker one
[01:17:19] day, too. So even when you're talking
[01:17:21] about stuff that's somewhat celebrity
[01:17:23] oriented and say scintillating,
[01:17:27] you're looking at what false morality
[01:17:31] underlies it and how it's exploitative
[01:17:33] and where the power is in it and the way
[01:17:36] that new morality is often masking
[01:17:39] itself as virtuous when underneath it.
[01:17:42] Yeah. I suppose. All right. So the this
[01:17:43] one of the things that became really
[01:17:44] obvious in co this is a thing I thought
[01:17:46] about again lately is the what
[01:17:49] underwrites the idea of massive
[01:17:51] sanctions during COVID get in your house
[01:17:53] 6 feet apart wear a mask take the
[01:17:55] vaccine is human life is sacred and
[01:17:57] anything we can do to protect human life
[01:18:00] we must do and it's only when you
[01:18:02] reflect on how those are not the values
[01:18:04] that the culture sets it up sets itself
[01:18:06] up by or abides by that you realize hang
[01:18:08] on that can't have been true there must
[01:18:10] have been another reason what they were
[01:18:11] also saying like you know let your
[01:18:12] grandma die alone. So, it's anti-f
[01:18:14] family, okay? It doesn't matter. Stay
[01:18:15] away from your family. It's dangerous.
[01:18:16] Tell on your neighbors, you know, like
[01:18:17] no sense of community. Um, and we can
[01:18:20] keep you alive. We are a man and we can
[01:18:22] keep you alive. So, all you have to do
[01:18:23] is turn on your screens and we'll tell
[01:18:24] you what to do and hop on one foot at
[01:18:26] the grocery store and we'll keep you
[01:18:27] alive. What is it? It's Antichrist.
[01:18:29] That's why I was just like, "No, didn't
[01:18:31] wear a mask. I did I hung out with my
[01:18:33] family and friends." Like, I'm not going
[01:18:34] down that way. Like, I am just to me I
[01:18:37] will stand against that sort of
[01:18:38] authority because I can see things like
[01:18:40] that and people were putting you
[01:18:42] Dr. Fouchy signs in their yard. I mean,
[01:18:44] like worshiping this man in a way that
[01:18:47] was terrifying and willing to call and
[01:18:49] tell on their neighbors and willing to
[01:18:51] allow their parents and their children
[01:18:53] to die alone in a hospital for fear that
[01:18:55] you might catch a vir invisible virus.
[01:18:58] Um, and willing to roll up their sleeve
[01:19:00] to submit their bodies. I mean, there
[01:19:02] was an excellent article cuz George gets
[01:19:04] the Spectator UK. The Spectator UK is
[01:19:05] very good and I wish I could find it. I
[01:19:08] know it was written by a woman and she
[01:19:09] basically said this bears all of the all
[01:19:11] of the markers of a religion, right? You
[01:19:13] know, there's a they're sacrificing.
[01:19:15] They're doing this. They're doing that.
[01:19:17] They're they even have what they're
[01:19:19] wearing. Like it's on a yarmaka. They're
[01:19:20] wearing the mask. Yeah. It's amazing. It
[01:19:22] was f it was a great read. I should find
[01:19:23] that article. George will have it
[01:19:24] upstairs somewhere cuz I was like, "This
[01:19:25] is fantastic. You should keep this."
[01:19:26] Yeah. Secularism is a religion. I
[01:19:28] suppose if you create a culture where
[01:19:29] people are not willing to die and kill
[01:19:31] for what they believe in but are willing
[01:19:33] to be herded unskilled from one socially
[01:19:38] appointed ritual or right to another
[01:19:40] consuming waiting to die then that's you
[01:19:43] what you have is a kind of a hive of
[01:19:45] manageable individuals rather than
[01:19:47] equipped awakened men and women that
[01:19:50] know how to hunt, know how to feed
[01:19:51] themselves, know how to fight, know how
[01:19:53] to protect themselves and one another
[01:19:55] and believe ultimately in eternal truth.
[01:19:58] Recognize we're here temporarily. We're
[01:20:00] going to die. So, we're not going to
[01:20:02] spend all our time here just trying to
[01:20:03] cling on to it, making it depending on
[01:20:05] that which is temporary instead of
[01:20:07] rightly depending upon that which is
[01:20:09] eternal. The first thing you have to do
[01:20:10] is dismiss the idea there is no God,
[01:20:12] there is no Christ. What we have is our
[01:20:14] religion, our faith, our orthodoxy.
[01:20:17] Yeah. And that's why Sam Harris lost his
[01:20:19] mind during co because he's a committed
[01:20:21] atheist. He tours around the world
[01:20:22] speaking about atheism and debating
[01:20:24] people and this is why God is not real.
[01:20:26] And so when he thought he could die and
[01:20:28] this was it, he lost his mind, lost his
[01:20:30] marbles. He's like, he was in a fragile
[01:20:32] mental state real the idea of dying for
[01:20:36] an atheist, right? And so he was willing
[01:20:38] to submit everything to the state. He
[01:20:39] was telling everybody do this, do this,
[01:20:40] do this. This is how we're all going to
[01:20:41] stay alive. It's scary. You know, it's
[01:20:43] it's and by the way, there is no such
[01:20:46] thing as an atheist, obviously. And Sam
[01:20:48] Harris showed us that there's such thing
[01:20:49] as an atheist because he bec joined the
[01:20:51] Church of CO in 4 seconds. you know, he
[01:20:53] replaced his god with the authority of
[01:20:55] the state um and participated it
[01:20:58] everybody like religion is natural,
[01:21:01] right? And so if you're going to tell me
[01:21:04] that somebody doesn't believe in God,
[01:21:06] tell me who it is and I'll show you who
[01:21:07] their god is, right? I mean, why do you
[01:21:09] think you have these like protesters,
[01:21:11] vegan protesters, the things that
[01:21:12] they're willing to do, right? To make a
[01:21:15] statement that people shouldn't be
[01:21:16] hunting. And you go, okay, so that's
[01:21:18] your that's your faith. Everybody has a
[01:21:20] faith and that's yours. sacred there
[01:21:22] because it's a connection to something
[01:21:25] eternal and divine. Yeah, you can't have
[01:21:26] anything. All there is is nihilism.
[01:21:28] People misunderstand the argument
[01:21:30] against atheism is people seem to think
[01:21:32] that what the claim of religion is is
[01:21:34] that oh you think that without God I
[01:21:36] can't have ethics and morals. It's like
[01:21:39] no without God you can't claim that your
[01:21:42] morals or ethics are based on anything
[01:21:44] other than what you think. And lo and
[01:21:47] behold, look how they changed. The left
[01:21:49] used to believe this, now they believe
[01:21:50] that. They used to believe in free
[01:21:52] speech. Now they don't believe in free
[01:21:53] speech. The right used to believe in
[01:21:54] this, but now they don't. Because you
[01:21:56] can't make gods of man. You can't create
[01:21:59] permanent. You can't create false idols.
[01:22:01] You can't make a god with your own
[01:22:02] hands. God is here all pervading, ever
[01:22:05] present. The very thing that you use to
[01:22:06] deduce there isn't a god is God. Your
[01:22:09] sentience, your awareness, your
[01:22:10] participation in eternity, the fact that
[01:22:12] you live at the altar of the present
[01:22:14] moment, that is God in real life action
[01:22:17] right now. And when you use that
[01:22:18] facility, that great gift of divinity,
[01:22:20] that divine spark and flow, that living
[01:22:22] water to denounce and deny God's own
[01:22:25] existence, you are participating in
[01:22:27] false idolatry and devil worship.
[01:22:28] Without God, you can't make a claim for
[01:22:30] animal rights, for women's rights, for
[01:22:31] the environment, for anything because
[01:22:32] nothing means anything. There is no
[01:22:34] meaning other than that which we derive
[01:22:35] from the observation of patterns. And
[01:22:37] the very fact that there are patterns is
[01:22:38] a further indication of the hallmark of
[01:22:40] God. Because otherwise, would you why
[01:22:41] would you recognize mathematics or music
[01:22:44] or geometry? What would these things be
[01:22:46] across the infinite blur? What would
[01:22:48] these p patterns amount to? So there is
[01:22:51] no argument against it. And this is a
[01:22:53] revival. I think we're in one and we
[01:22:55] are. And that's why I'm actually against
[01:22:56] psych psychiatry. And I don't know if
[01:22:58] you've ever gone down the Sigman Freud
[01:22:59] rabbit hole. If you haven't, you should.
[01:23:01] The modern psychology mommy. Oh, it's
[01:23:04] give us a line. Mommy's looking sexy.
[01:23:06] Oh, it's so much worse and it's so much
[01:23:07] darker. And mom does look sexy. If you
[01:23:09] do enough coke, oh my god, I think I
[01:23:12] would have sex with my mother. His
[01:23:14] drugs, drug addiction was the least of
[01:23:16] it. Was the least of it really? Yeah, it
[01:23:18] really was. It's there. What about Yung?
[01:23:21] Um, well, I haven't read anything about
[01:23:23] him, but I know that he kind of departed
[01:23:24] from him. Archetypal ctography, there is
[01:23:26] a delime, sublime, inaccessible great
[01:23:28] mystery. Well, that is accessible.
[01:23:30] Actually, it's permeating everything.
[01:23:31] But Freud, the what the cocaine and and
[01:23:33] mommies looking hot under, you know,
[01:23:35] covering child pedophilia for all of his
[01:23:39] homies that were pedophiles. Sure. Um
[01:23:41] 10,000% real by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Uh
[01:23:44] discovered in the Freud archives by the
[01:23:46] director and then he tried to ring the
[01:23:47] bell and the psychiatric community was
[01:23:49] like, "You must not do this. This is
[01:23:50] going to this is going to ruin
[01:23:52] everything. It's going to show that like
[01:23:53] we're just all frauds and we're making
[01:23:54] stuff up because we want to um actually
[01:23:57] have we see ourselves as gods and we
[01:23:59] want to have access to people by telling
[01:24:01] them what their selves should be. I
[01:24:03] think it's you know, you go to psych
[01:24:04] psychology. I know it works for some
[01:24:06] people in therapy, but a lot of times
[01:24:08] it's all about you, you you you you this
[01:24:10] self. And sure, you can come across a
[01:24:11] good I'm sure you can come across a good
[01:24:13] psychologist and a good therapist, but
[01:24:14] more often than not, a lot of the ills
[01:24:16] that we have in society say are because
[01:24:17] people are constantly being validated
[01:24:20] validated across from the psychologist
[01:24:21] and this is who you are and this is what
[01:24:22] you are and that's how we end up with
[01:24:24] transgenderism and you can actually be
[01:24:25] 20 different selves if you want. Um, and
[01:24:27] there's no tr there's no truth.
[01:24:29] Everything's subjective. But I I had
[01:24:32] wondered with this struggle that cuz I
[01:24:36] think it conflicts. I think modern
[01:24:38] psychology conflicts with Christ because
[01:24:39] it was intended to uh to conflict with
[01:24:41] Christ. Um if you get into what Sigman
[01:24:44] Freud believed in, but I wonder if that
[01:24:46] was kind of the struggle that Jordan
[01:24:47] Peterson was having with committing to
[01:24:49] Christ. It's like wait because
[01:24:50] psychology tells me that I'm able to
[01:24:53] comprehend and I would love to ask him
[01:24:55] this question. You know, I'm able to
[01:24:56] comprehend the mind. I am my own God.
[01:24:58] I'm in control. I would imagine that a
[01:25:00] psychiatrist or a psychologist would
[01:25:02] really struggle um to submit themselves
[01:25:04] to Well, you know, it isn't obvious to
[01:25:06] me at all, Candace, that that God isn't
[01:25:09] real. Abs. Absolutely. I mean, of
[01:25:11] course. Yeah. I mean, really good. I
[01:25:13] started to feel like it was being
[01:25:14] disrespectful to him because I do this
[01:25:16] is one of the things that I'm thinking
[01:25:17] in this space that we occupy where we
[01:25:19] have these voices and this access where
[01:25:21] you're doing so incredibly well where
[01:25:23] you're so potently brave and brilliant
[01:25:25] where you're such an example of all that
[01:25:27] is wonderful and wise and bold and
[01:25:30] sometimes capricious in the feminine
[01:25:34] that I wonder Candace if we can
[01:25:37] deliberately participate in the unity of
[01:25:40] his church in love that I was told that
[01:25:43] we need truth. In fact, in the Ephesians
[01:25:46] prayer, the belt of truth has to go on
[01:25:48] first. We have to gird ourselves in
[01:25:50] truth before we receive the grace of the
[01:25:52] breastplate of righteousness before the
[01:25:54] good news can be on our feet and the
[01:25:55] shield on our arm and the sword of the
[01:25:56] spirit in our hand and the helmet of
[01:25:58] salvation that can protect us from
[01:26:00] nefarious thoughts.
[01:26:03] What I wonder how we can be in this
[01:26:04] space that derives so much from conflict
[01:26:07] and argument and not glean into it, you
[01:26:11] know, like what the spats and the
[01:26:13] rivalry. I don't think it's rival. I
[01:26:14] think it's what I'm hitting up on there
[01:26:16] is actually something that you and I
[01:26:17] were just talking about how difficult it
[01:26:18] is to submit. Full stop. No matter who
[01:26:21] you are, how difficult it is to submit.
[01:26:23] Man versus self is is the most difficult
[01:26:25] struggle, right? And that's why I
[01:26:27] thought about how interesting it is like
[01:26:29] this is the struggle. It's it's versus
[01:26:31] your own mind, right? And so I think
[01:26:32] that entire field is saying, well, you
[01:26:35] now comprehend the mind. You can't ever
[01:26:36] comprehend the mind. You I can never
[01:26:38] comprehend my mind. It's constantly
[01:26:39] having to check yourself and check your
[01:26:40] ego and submit and and so I'm I'm
[01:26:43] thinking about it more philosophically
[01:26:45] of like this. It's it is a struggle to
[01:26:47] accept that you are kind of nothing, you
[01:26:51] know, in a in a way, you know, you're
[01:26:53] kind of Yeah. That's hard. It's a tough
[01:26:56] pill for anyone to struggle. That's why
[01:26:57] I'm working so hard. Look at all these
[01:27:00] things I've done. Yeah. And I and that's
[01:27:01] why I think it's like you in Sarah
[01:27:03] Marshall
[01:27:05] Marshall, but that is that is actually
[01:27:08] what brings I think what could bring
[01:27:09] everyone together. It's like we're all
[01:27:11] so hung up on that ego and believing in
[01:27:14] our title, actor, PhD, you know, doctor,
[01:27:18] I mean, whatever it is,
[01:27:21] graduated from Harvard, Oxford, whatever
[01:27:24] it is, it's very hard in and especially
[01:27:28] in this matrix where we we give out
[01:27:30] accolades for those things like you are
[01:27:32] an A-list actor. You even have lists
[01:27:34] now, A-list, Blist, Clist actor. Which
[01:27:36] one are you? Are you D-list? Are you
[01:27:38] Meghan Markle's a D-list they say and
[01:27:40] this person's this and not in the
[01:27:42] alphabet anymore. I mean hieroglyphs
[01:27:44] almost like a drawing of like sort of a
[01:27:45] bloke with a bird's head like that you
[01:27:48] know. Yeah. People just love yourself.
[01:27:50] It is still you're still A-list but this
[01:27:51] is the point and I think it's hard for
[01:27:53] us especially like I don't know just
[01:27:55] coming out of what did you go to
[01:27:56] university? Did you get a degree? We're
[01:27:58] constantly looking for these kind of
[01:28:00] meaningless things to tell us. Hey, if
[01:28:01] you ain't read The Great Divorce by CS
[01:28:03] Lewis yet, you should read it because it
[01:28:04] seems that the struggle that we have in
[01:28:06] embracing and entering heaven is our
[01:28:07] unwillingness to relinquish our
[01:28:09] attachments to our human identity in
[01:28:10] just the manner that you're describing
[01:28:12] that CS Lewis describes in an imaginary
[01:28:13] journey from hell, which is a gray
[01:28:15] dreary place actually rather than
[01:28:17] spectacularly horrific. They go to
[01:28:19] heaven and everything there is sort of
[01:28:21] hard and like it's almost like you would
[01:28:23] not more ethereal. Brilliant uh authoral
[01:28:26] choice by CS Lewis. Everything is denser
[01:28:28] and stronger and harder. They encounter
[01:28:31] entities and angels there as well as the
[01:28:32] other denisens of this hellish region
[01:28:34] that he describes the bus journey from
[01:28:36] and the arrival in heaven and many
[01:28:38] people can't anyone they're all invited
[01:28:40] to be in heaven come come to heaven come
[01:28:41] and be in heaven but people are like no
[01:28:43] I'm not letting go of that they're like
[01:28:44] sort of caught up in their relationship
[01:28:46] sometimes they meet people that they
[01:28:47] knew on earth that like yeah I know but
[01:28:49] I loved you like everyone's willing to
[01:28:51] relinquish and enter into paradise the
[01:28:53] obstacle to paradise is our
[01:28:55] unwillingness precisely to let go of
[01:28:56] that identity that we've got an altar
[01:28:58] and on it might a personal accolade or
[01:29:01] some form of personal identification or
[01:29:03] identity. And if you can't let go of
[01:29:04] that, then you're in trouble. That's why
[01:29:06] isn't identity politics ridiculous?
[01:29:07] Because instead of saying you are
[01:29:09] important, you're beautiful, you're
[01:29:10] perfect, yes, you are valuable, but not
[01:29:13] because of some temporary characteristic
[01:29:14] because of the vessel you inhabit,
[01:29:16] you're divinely important because you
[01:29:17] are made in the image of your creator.
[01:29:19] And you're part of this family and
[01:29:21] you're perfect and you are loved and you
[01:29:22] are forgiven. Come, come in, come in.
[01:29:24] No, I'm staying here. I want to stay
[01:29:26] here. I was in Sarah Marshall. like
[01:29:28] you're like clinging on to some crap
[01:29:31] trick. We all do it and we all do it and
[01:29:32] that's kind of the point and I think
[01:29:34] like we have to you you have to kind of
[01:29:36] experience that you I always say like
[01:29:39] you know you got to recognize that you
[01:29:40] suck a little bit you know it's good to
[01:29:42] just that's why I love having sisters
[01:29:44] because they just keep me humble you
[01:29:45] know oh my sisters yeah they we make fun
[01:29:47] of each other all the time we don't take
[01:29:49] we don't take ourselves so seriously you
[01:29:51] have to and toddlers will especially
[01:29:53] keep you checked if if you think that
[01:29:55] you're anything hang out with some
[01:29:57] toddlers they say everything that's on
[01:29:58] their mind the first thing that's on
[01:29:59] their mind about how you look this that.
[01:30:01] Um, and yeah, they like to pick
[01:30:03] something off you, don't they, a
[01:30:04] toddler? Like if you've got something on
[01:30:06] you, they'll pick that off. And
[01:30:08] actually, something I I meant to text
[01:30:09] you was somebody had commented when I
[01:30:11] had covered your situation in the UK and
[01:30:13] said that they thanked you for their
[01:30:16] actually said it was her daughter. I'll
[01:30:18] send you I actually screenshotted it,
[01:30:19] but forgot to hit send, but like
[01:30:20] basically her daughter owed her sobriety
[01:30:23] to you. And I just thought that was of
[01:30:25] everything that could have been said
[01:30:26] about you like, "Oh, I love him and
[01:30:28] this, love him that." like this is like
[01:30:29] such a beautiful thing that she was
[01:30:31] sharing the story in a very long comment
[01:30:32] about how her daughter just really
[01:30:34] struggled and then like I don't know why
[01:30:36] I don't know if you maybe if she watched
[01:30:38] a podcast she wasn't clear on what it
[01:30:39] was but she owed her sobriety to you and
[01:30:41] she said that she saw you at like she
[01:30:43] was in the same because you did the 12 I
[01:30:45] think you 12step program whatever it is
[01:30:47] and something that you said or did there
[01:30:49] completely changed her life and I was
[01:30:50] like this is the most beautiful thing
[01:30:52] I've ever read and I don't know why I
[01:30:53] didn't hit send I think it I have ADHD
[01:30:54] or something but I screenshott it so I
[01:30:56] have it on my phone I'll give it to you
[01:30:57] it might be that vaccine injury you've
[01:30:59] making you making you forget. This is so
[01:31:01] beautiful, but I didn't send it. I don't
[01:31:03] mind. Moved on now. But there are a lot
[01:31:04] of people that said that in the comments
[01:31:05] about you and I think that's the highest
[01:31:07] compliment that somebody can to I think
[01:31:10] can give you. And I'm wondering how did
[01:31:12] you by the way get sober? Like what was
[01:31:14] the thing that And how long have you
[01:31:15] been sober for by the way? 22 and a half
[01:31:17] years. And I got sober because it got so
[01:31:19] desperate. In fact, I'm an idiot. The
[01:31:21] only way I do anything, the only way I
[01:31:22] ever improve myself is through absolute
[01:31:24] desperation and total breaking point. At
[01:31:27] breaking point, I will stop drinking and
[01:31:29] taking drugs. I will surrender to Christ
[01:31:32] if there is enough external pressure. If
[01:31:34] I'm literally crucified, if I'm forced
[01:31:36] to recognize that my identity is
[01:31:38] temporary, transient, and impermanent
[01:31:40] that I can't look after the most
[01:31:42] important things in my life like my son
[01:31:44] and my son's well-being and his medical,
[01:31:46] he had had heart surgery when he was
[01:31:47] just born. And it was it just exposed me
[01:31:50] to the limitations of my power, which
[01:31:53] are narrow. How ridiculous to think that
[01:31:55] I'm important. How ridiculous to think
[01:31:56] that I'm like a god. How ridiculous to
[01:31:58] think that there's any accolade that
[01:31:59] anyone could acrue or acquire that would
[01:32:01] mean anything at all. So I was lucky
[01:32:03] enough to meet people that knew that
[01:32:05] someone like me could never take another
[01:32:08] drink or ever do drugs. And the fact is
[01:32:10] is that most people that drink and drug
[01:32:12] take drugs addictively Candice are
[01:32:14] indeed looking for God are indeed
[01:32:16] looking for a spiritual solution. And
[01:32:18] the 12step solution is a spiritual
[01:32:20] solution. It focuses not on the
[01:32:22] substance actually but on the self. It
[01:32:24] tells you you're worshiping yourself.
[01:32:26] That's what you're doing. And in order
[01:32:27] to sustain this mad system of worship,
[01:32:30] you need to drink and take drugs. And
[01:32:33] firstly, abstinence. Like once you force
[01:32:35] someone who's a dependent on drug,
[01:32:37] dependent, look at that word, dependent
[01:32:38] on drugs and alcohol, then you feel
[01:32:40] terrible and bare and naked and raw. And
[01:32:43] then you have to believe it's possible
[01:32:45] that you can change. You do this
[01:32:46] somewhat from the community, but also by
[01:32:48] investigating yourself where you will
[01:32:49] recognize that you've always known there
[01:32:51] was a god. you've always known it
[01:32:52] somewhere. Then you make a decision to
[01:32:54] allow that God to run your life under
[01:32:56] the guidance and tutilage of other
[01:32:58] people that you know are acting on the
[01:32:59] basis of these principles. That's why we
[01:33:00] have scripture. That's why we have
[01:33:01] clerics and priests and people that are
[01:33:03] ordained and that are able to carry that
[01:33:06] that kind of weight, burden,
[01:33:08] responsibility and duty. So you admit
[01:33:10] there's a problem, you stop drinking,
[01:33:11] you believe it's possible to change. You
[01:33:13] make a decision to turn your will in
[01:33:14] your life over to the career of God. You
[01:33:16] belong to a community. You inventory
[01:33:18] yourself and work out where you've been
[01:33:19] going wrong. You have to be 100% honest
[01:33:21] about everything you've ever done. Every
[01:33:23] resentment you've got against other
[01:33:24] people and yourself. There is an
[01:33:26] ideology 12step recovery is a miracle.
[01:33:28] Actually, it is ordained. It is
[01:33:30] anointed. It is divinely inspired. It's
[01:33:33] an American folk religion. In fact, that
[01:33:36] is provides a perfect pathway for people
[01:33:38] that are obsessed and attached. Cuz what
[01:33:39] is addiction other than attachment?
[01:33:41] Attachment to pornography, attachment to
[01:33:43] food, attachment to drugs, attachment to
[01:33:44] sex. It shows you the way to bring those
[01:33:47] full idols down and to recognize that
[01:33:49] you were made for love, that you were
[01:33:51] made for service. And it's a slow turgid
[01:33:53] journey. But the people that are
[01:33:55] addicts, they're devoted anyway. They're
[01:33:57] dedicated anyway. They've got no choice.
[01:33:58] Where where recovery goes wrong is the
[01:34:00] same way that the church can go wrong.
[01:34:02] Is seeing itself as secondary to the
[01:34:04] culture. When the church starts wearing
[01:34:05] the livery and the flags of the culture
[01:34:07] is in trouble, whether that's Nazism or
[01:34:09] some well-intended liberal idea. if it
[01:34:12] starts flying flags other there's only
[01:34:14] one flag the flag of Calgary that's the
[01:34:17] only flag that matters to a Christian
[01:34:19] and I feel that the 12 steps is
[01:34:22] miraculous precisely because it tells
[01:34:23] you you are a spiritual being you've not
[01:34:25] been told that you've been told you're a
[01:34:27] material being and you're trying to
[01:34:28] resolve that disjunct of knowing that
[01:34:31] the world is never enough that you can
[01:34:32] never have enough food or enough sex or
[01:34:33] enough porn or enough heroin to ever
[01:34:35] fulfill yourself stop trying walk a
[01:34:38] different path it's a beautiful
[01:34:41] beautiful um system and I'm yeah I'm
[01:34:44] most grateful for it. I think maybe for
[01:34:47] people that are struggling with
[01:34:48] addiction and there are so many people
[01:34:48] that listen to my podcast that are and
[01:34:50] whether it's porn addiction or drug
[01:34:52] addiction or drinking um it I think it's
[01:34:54] this they don't want to go through that
[01:34:56] period of shame like once you're drunk
[01:34:58] it's easier and I have no I have people
[01:35:01] in my family who have struggled with
[01:35:02] addiction have never gotten over it and
[01:35:04] so I'm always so curious when you see
[01:35:05] someone who's done it and I'm sure
[01:35:07] people that are still struggling with it
[01:35:08] and you know you will be an addict for
[01:35:10] life so it's like even if you're clean
[01:35:11] 22 years you're still an addict right
[01:35:13] what do you think is the like why are
[01:35:16] some people able to do this and then to
[01:35:18] speak about it and to provide such a
[01:35:19] light to others to get clean while
[01:35:21] others just you know 70 years old and
[01:35:24] can't stop the addiction can't stop the
[01:35:26] drinking is it is that fear of facing
[01:35:28] yourself do you think in part that I
[01:35:31] think that the disease of addiction is a
[01:35:34] perfect correlative to the idea of sin
[01:35:37] in fact I see sin now as in self the
[01:35:40] sibilent s of the serpent that coiling
[01:35:44] crawling thing of sin to worship
[01:35:46] yourself. Now, I think you it's
[01:35:49] difficult to get clean unless you're
[01:35:50] willing to take that first step. Some
[01:35:52] people will fall at the first step.
[01:35:54] They'll tell you, we all recognize it.
[01:35:55] Some people go, I don't have a problem
[01:35:57] with drink. I like drinking. It's okay
[01:35:58] to drink. That's like if you can't get
[01:36:00] someone over that, you're in real
[01:36:02] trouble. If they until they go, I know I
[01:36:04] just can't stop. That's good. That that
[01:36:06] acknowledgement. I can't stop. My life's
[01:36:08] falling apart. Then you've got an
[01:36:09] aperture there. Then you're ready for
[01:36:11] the second step. The second step is, do
[01:36:13] you believe it's possible? because I've
[01:36:15] stopped. I don't do it. I used to drink
[01:36:16] all the time. You meet people worse than
[01:36:18] you. I was in jail for this. I done
[01:36:19] that. I prostituted myself. I did this,
[01:36:21] that, or the other. And you meet people
[01:36:23] that have such terrible, glawing stories
[01:36:25] that tell you, I changed. I don't know
[01:36:26] how I did it, but a power greater than
[01:36:27] myself restored me to sanity. So, once
[01:36:30] there's an inkling of the possibility,
[01:36:31] they're ready for the third step. The
[01:36:33] third step is, do you recognize you
[01:36:35] can't be in control anymore? Something
[01:36:37] else. It literally says, "We made a
[01:36:40] decision to turn our will and our life
[01:36:42] over to the care of God as we understood
[01:36:44] God." It's extremely and explicitly
[01:36:48] spiritual. People try to secularize it
[01:36:50] and they can because 12step programs
[01:36:53] wisely stay out of that debate of trying
[01:36:55] to define what God might mean to various
[01:36:57] people. But once you say, "I'm not in
[01:37:00] charge anymore," then you will be
[01:37:01] willing to perhaps attend group support
[01:37:04] groups. You will be willing to conduct
[01:37:06] the written program. you will be willing
[01:37:08] to start reading the literature. You
[01:37:10] will be willing to consider helping
[01:37:12] other people to start recognizing that
[01:37:14] the problem's really been that you spend
[01:37:16] all your time thinking about yourself,
[01:37:19] what you want and what you don't want,
[01:37:20] what you desire and what you're afraid
[01:37:22] of. One thing the 12 steps don't do that
[01:37:24] I would love to contribute is they don't
[01:37:26] acknowledge that this isn't happening in
[01:37:28] neutrality. It's happening in a culture
[01:37:30] that overstimulates desire and
[01:37:33] overstimulates fear. In fact, those are
[01:37:35] the two rods that it attaches to you
[01:37:38] like some antichrist anti-sheperd with
[01:37:40] its rod and staff of fear and desire.
[01:37:42] Instead of offering you comfort and
[01:37:44] guidance, it offers continual
[01:37:46] stimulation and it continually navigates
[01:37:48] you back to self. The addict experiences
[01:37:50] this in extremist. Most people, our
[01:37:52] species in fact, are generally very
[01:37:54] adaptive. Okay, we're living in a cold
[01:37:56] place. We'll live in a cold place. We're
[01:37:57] living in a concrete jungle. We'll live
[01:37:59] in a concrete jungle. But the addict
[01:38:01] won't adapt. The alcoholic won't adapt.
[01:38:03] The alcoholic, the addict has to have
[01:38:05] God. Has to have God. And if you don't
[01:38:07] give the alcoholic God, it will make one
[01:38:09] and it will worship it on its knees at
[01:38:12] the toilet basin,
[01:38:14] the the steps of the brothel, anywhere
[01:38:17] where there's some sort of stimulant
[01:38:19] available. So the the the medality of
[01:38:21] the 12 steps, it emerges from the church
[01:38:23] and I believe it's going back into the
[01:38:24] church. It came out of a group called
[01:38:25] the Oxford group, which is a first
[01:38:27] century Christian movement that wanted
[01:38:29] to revive the principles of early
[01:38:31] Christianity. And I believe that what we
[01:38:33] have a lot to learn, particularly at a
[01:38:34] time when you, as you said earlier in
[01:38:36] our conversation, the myth of
[01:38:37] progressivism is falling apart. We're
[01:38:39] being told we're progressing while we're
[01:38:41] degenerating to the smallest imaginable
[01:38:43] units. We're decomposing. That these
[01:38:45] ideas, not only the 12 steps with the 12
[01:38:48] traditions might permit us a pathway,
[01:38:50] new ways to organize. These groups are
[01:38:52] incredible. No one's in a position of
[01:38:53] authority. Authority is derived from the
[01:38:55] consensus of the group. We discuss it
[01:38:56] together. It has to be the expression of
[01:38:58] the principles, the pre-stated
[01:38:59] principles of the group, which are
[01:39:00] things like love, kindness, service.
[01:39:01] They're not wacky crackers things.
[01:39:03] You're not supposed to be prioritizing
[01:39:05] making money. There's such a great
[01:39:07] legacy and such great potential and
[01:39:09] possibility. I'm very interested in how
[01:39:10] it could help, for example, the HHS, who
[01:39:13] I know have very bold ambitions for the
[01:39:14] health of America. What makes a country
[01:39:17] sick? What makes a country want to eat
[01:39:19] disgusting, processed, poisonous, toxic
[01:39:21] food? Well, mass marketing campaigns,
[01:39:23] wide availability, and economic
[01:39:24] conditions and poverty and the avail,
[01:39:26] you know, there's There are obvious
[01:39:27] causal reasons, but what is the sick
[01:39:29] psychic scar at the core of it? Why
[01:39:32] would you why would there be a
[01:39:33] pharmaceutical industry that wants to
[01:39:34] treat illnesses by making them worse and
[01:39:36] perpetuating them? Where is God in all
[01:39:38] this? How are we going to rewaken the
[01:39:41] spirit of our kind? How are we going to
[01:39:43] overcome the petty distractions, the low
[01:39:45] frequency quarreling and squabbbling and
[01:39:48] agree on a grand vision that's going to
[01:39:50] require unity under one God? maximum
[01:39:53] democracy, maximum personal individual
[01:39:56] authority. As long as that authority is
[01:39:57] seeded to a higher power and as long as
[01:39:59] we're running on principles like service
[01:40:00] and love one another, then we we have a
[01:40:02] chance. We can't continue to default to
[01:40:05] the closed system, the closed system of
[01:40:08] self-service, false idolatry, self-
[01:40:11] worship. That's exactly where this
[01:40:13] system seems to want all of us. You
[01:40:14] worshiping you, me worshiping me. All of
[01:40:16] us oblivious and blind, staggering
[01:40:18] around in the dark, consuming their
[01:40:20] products, believing their lies,
[01:40:22] degenerating, incapable of feeding
[01:40:23] ourselves and protecting one another. It
[01:40:25] seems to me that the utensils and tools
[01:40:27] and ideals lay all around us unused. And
[01:40:30] we just have to pick up our sword or
[01:40:32] pick up our cross at least and follow
[01:40:34] him. You know, Russell, I was thinking
[01:40:36] about it and I've decided I will let you
[01:40:38] into me and my husband's apocalyptic
[01:40:40] group. Good. play this game where we're
[01:40:42] like, "Okay, if we had to live off of a
[01:40:43] land, who would we allow to come onto
[01:40:45] our farm?" Because everyone's got to
[01:40:47] bring something. This person can sew.
[01:40:49] This person can cook. This person can
[01:40:50] hunt. And I was thinking, you know, at
[01:40:52] the beginning of this conversation, I
[01:40:53] don't know if Russell's going to be
[01:40:54] allowed apocalyptic group because he
[01:40:55] can't grow food. Doesn't know what
[01:40:57] agriculture is. But I think you provided
[01:40:58] entertainment. I could react. Great
[01:41:01] conversation, entertainment, doing a
[01:41:04] water, baptizing people in the Yes. In
[01:41:07] the water. Yes. that water that we're
[01:41:09] probably washing our feet in that water
[01:41:11] as well. Exactly. Exactly. You wouldn't
[01:41:13] you wouldn't know much about the land,
[01:41:15] but I think I think I'm going to let you
[01:41:17] in. Thank you for having me in your
[01:41:18] apocalyptic cult. We'll end it here.
[01:41:24] [Music]
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