This Is the Turning Point Tour | 2025 Recap

[00:00:00] [music] [00:00:04] Thank you to all of you for being here [00:00:06] tonight. This event was originally [00:00:09] supposed to be a conversation between me [00:00:11] and Charlie. Now it will be a [00:00:14] conversation about Charlie. It will be a [00:00:17] conversation about his life and what his [00:00:19] assassination means for our country. [00:00:22] The enemies of civilization, the [00:00:24] assassin, as well as the people who [00:00:26] excused and cheered him on, thought that [00:00:29] they could stop Charlie Kirk's movement. [00:00:32] In reality, they have not even stopped [00:00:33] his lecture tour. [00:00:43] Charlie's brightness came not primarily [00:00:46] from his professional accomplishments. [00:00:48] They came from his character. You did [00:00:51] not have to be a personal friend of his [00:00:53] to notice it. You could see it in [00:00:55] everything he did. There was simply a [00:00:58] light and a levity to the man. And it [00:01:01] was constant. Even when he was stressed, [00:01:04] even when he was arguing, which was [00:01:06] frequent, even when he suffered [00:01:09] setbacks, [00:01:11] that light and that levity stem from one [00:01:13] fact. Charlie's savior lives. [00:01:27] We're mourning Charlie right now. And I [00:01:30] think it's right to mourn Charlie. I [00:01:32] think it's right to grieve. I have no [00:01:35] use for the happy clappy kind of modern [00:01:37] religion that tells us we can't be sad [00:01:39] when our friend dies simply because we [00:01:42] have faith in his salvation. Death is [00:01:46] bad. Murder is bad. [00:01:50] People who commit murder need to be [00:01:51] punished. People who celebrate murder [00:01:54] need to be punished, too. [00:02:07] Death reminds us that something has gone [00:02:10] wrong. Death was not part of the [00:02:12] original plan. Jesus wept at the death [00:02:15] of his friend just moments before he [00:02:17] raised him from the dead. We can know [00:02:21] that in everything, God works for good [00:02:23] with those who love him, who are called [00:02:25] according to his purpose, while still [00:02:27] recognizing the difference between good [00:02:29] and evil. We can entrust Charlie's soul [00:02:32] to our Lord Jesus Christ as Charlie [00:02:34] always entrusted himself, while still [00:02:37] knowing that his assassin took something [00:02:39] from us that he didn't have to take. [00:02:43] What the assassin took was not even [00:02:45] Charlie. He could not have taken [00:02:47] Charlie. Charlie belongs to God, as do [00:02:50] we all. What the assassin took from us, [00:02:52] more precisely, is what we imagined [00:02:55] Charlie's future would be. That is part [00:02:59] of what makes death so shocking. The [00:03:01] realization that our plans are not [00:03:04] guaranteed. Man plans and God laughs. [00:03:08] But we say he was going to do this. Oh, [00:03:13] she was going to do that. We were going [00:03:16] to speak at the University of Minnesota [00:03:18] together. [00:03:20] We weren't actually. We do not have [00:03:23] ultimate control over those things. [00:03:26] Everyone who knew Charlie and many [00:03:28] people who did not know Charlie [00:03:30] personally knew that he would be [00:03:32] president one day. [00:03:35] We knew it. We knew it. [00:03:45] But would is a conditional verb and it [00:03:49] depends upon ifs that are out of our [00:03:51] control. Charlie would have been [00:03:53] president, but he won't be. In the wake [00:03:56] of Charlie's death, many people are [00:03:58] presuming to declare what he would have [00:04:01] believed about this or that issue. Not [00:04:04] what he did believe, mind you. what he [00:04:06] would have believed, what he would have [00:04:08] said if he had lived longer. This kind [00:04:11] of talk is as absurd as it is unseemly. [00:04:15] It is appointed for men to die once and [00:04:17] after that the judgment, with the [00:04:19] exception of Charlie's beloved wife and [00:04:22] the people very closest to him. Those [00:04:24] who would chime in for Charlie today are [00:04:27] appropriating an authority that does not [00:04:29] belong to them. It's a usurppation. At [00:04:32] best, it is a waste of time. And one [00:04:34] thing we all know Charlie never did was [00:04:37] waste time. He worked about 27 hours a [00:04:41] day, eight days a week. [00:04:44] Charlie accomplished more in his 31 [00:04:46] years than most people could accomplish [00:04:48] in many lifetimes. [00:04:51] His most public accomplishments were [00:04:52] political. [00:04:54] His most important were religious. He [00:04:57] wanted to be remembered for his faith. [00:04:59] He wanted to help as many souls to [00:05:01] heaven as he could. If you want to honor [00:05:04] Charlie, go to church, read the Bible, [00:05:08] pray, and do it right now. [00:05:11] >> It's so great to be with you. Thank you [00:05:13] so much for being here, you guys. I am [00:05:17] thrilled to be here with you guys [00:05:18] tonight. And of course, my only sadness [00:05:22] is that it's not with Charlie. [00:05:24] Charlie asked me to go on the tour with [00:05:26] him a couple of months ago and we were [00:05:29] going back and forth on which stop would [00:05:31] make the most sense and you know he [00:05:33] proposed one date and I couldn't do it [00:05:34] or you know the other way around and we [00:05:37] settled on Virginia Tech a while ago and [00:05:40] he was so looking forward to this. I was [00:05:43] just talking to Erica [00:05:45] and she wanted to tell me that number [00:05:47] one wanted me to tell you he's so [00:05:49] looking forward to this. he so wanted to [00:05:51] be here with you and that she is so [00:05:54] proud of you for showing up and she also [00:05:57] wanted me to tell you that she's got [00:05:59] your back. Turning Point has got your [00:06:01] back. [00:06:05] I guess I wanted to start with just [00:06:08] thanking you for showing up. [00:06:10] Showing up. They say half of life is [00:06:13] showing up and you did that. And in this [00:06:15] particular circumstance, showing up is [00:06:17] courageous [00:06:19] given what happened with Charlie. And [00:06:20] I'm sure many of you thought about it. [00:06:22] I'm sure many of you had conversations [00:06:23] with your parents about it. Is it safe? [00:06:26] Should I do it? Am I going to be okay? [00:06:28] And I had conversations with my family [00:06:30] about it, too. But I think we all came [00:06:32] for the same reason, [00:06:35] obviously, to hear me. [00:06:38] But really, the reason is to send a [00:06:40] message that we will not be silenced by [00:06:44] an assassin's bullet, [00:06:47] by a heckler's veto, [00:06:51] by a left-wing woke professor, or anyone [00:06:54] who tries to silence us from saying what [00:06:57] we really believe. [00:07:02] Those days are done. [00:07:05] They're really done. [00:07:08] The last in-person conversation I had [00:07:10] with Charlie was in July and you just [00:07:12] saw a tiny clip of it at the end of that [00:07:14] reel. We were in Tampa at the Turning [00:07:17] Point event and [00:07:19] we did a long segment. We talked about [00:07:21] Epstein. We talked about a bunch of [00:07:22] stuff and we finished it with Charlie [00:07:24] asking me, "What advice do you have for [00:07:27] all these students here?" Because it was [00:07:28] the student action summit. So, it was a [00:07:29] bunch of young people just like you. [00:07:32] And it wasn't rehearsed. He didn't know [00:07:34] what I was going to say. We just happen [00:07:35] to have a lot of shared values. And I [00:07:38] said, [00:07:40] say the thing you really want to say. [00:07:42] Say what you really believe. [00:07:45] Say what's actually in your heart. Don't [00:07:47] go along with what the professor wants [00:07:50] you to say just to get a pat on the head [00:07:52] or a good grade. It's truly deeply [00:07:54] important. [00:07:57] And let me explain why. You you know the [00:08:00] basics, but let me explain more. [00:08:02] For too long, what's been happening in [00:08:04] college campuses and high schools and [00:08:06] middle schools for that matter and [00:08:08] possibly below is that students who are [00:08:11] right-leaning or conservative in thought [00:08:12] or independent-minded even and may have [00:08:14] heterodox thinking on whatever is issue [00:08:17] of the day it is have been clamming up [00:08:20] because we all know very well that 99% [00:08:24] of our professors are leftists and [00:08:26] they're not going to like us if they [00:08:27] find out that we're not. and they will [00:08:29] like us more if they at least think we [00:08:32] might be leftists. Like there's still a [00:08:34] chance and we're not gonna get as good a [00:08:37] grade on our paper if we write [00:08:39] right-wing things instead of left-wing [00:08:41] things. If we take all the positions [00:08:44] that they want us to take, especially on [00:08:46] cultural issues, we're going to be [00:08:47] well-liked and well-graded. And maybe [00:08:49] you want to go to med school. Maybe you [00:08:51] want to go to grad school. So your [00:08:53] grades matter. So you figure, I'm just [00:08:55] going to play along for the short term [00:08:57] for the long term gain. And then [00:08:58] finally, maybe when I get out there into [00:09:00] the world, I can say how I feel. At that [00:09:02] point, I can express my actual beliefs. [00:09:04] But what happens is you get into grad [00:09:08] school or med school or law school and [00:09:10] you just run into a bunch more of the [00:09:11] same kind of professors. They're just [00:09:13] giving you a different degree. So, the [00:09:15] game has to keep going because your [00:09:17] grades don't stop mattering when you get [00:09:18] into law school or med school or grad [00:09:20] school that you could argue they matter [00:09:21] even more because now you're competing [00:09:23] for your real job at the end of this [00:09:25] particular stint. So, you need to have [00:09:27] the perfect days in your med school. [00:09:29] You've got to, you know, these are [00:09:30] competitive people. We're all doctors. [00:09:32] We're all lawyers. We're all grad [00:09:33] students. So, you keep doing it this [00:09:35] routine. And then you get hospital hired [00:09:38] at a hospital or a law firm or a company [00:09:42] that likes these grades and has no idea [00:09:44] who you really are because you've done [00:09:45] nothing. You haven't put anything on [00:09:47] your resume that would telegraph you [00:09:48] might not be like-minded to them. You [00:09:50] might actually be on the right side of [00:09:51] the aisle. So, they welcome you into [00:09:52] their company and then you may find out [00:09:55] the hard way a year or two or more into [00:09:58] it that there has been a mismatch [00:10:02] because they're not looking for somebody [00:10:05] who thinks the way you do, who loves [00:10:07] America the way you do, who believes in [00:10:10] personal integrity the way you do. [00:10:12] They're looking for a woke duck that's [00:10:16] going to follow in line behind without [00:10:19] making too much noise. And they see on [00:10:20] your resume, you are such a person. You [00:10:23] never caused trouble. You didn't put [00:10:24] Turning Point USA on your resume while [00:10:27] applying. You didn't ha you didn't walk [00:10:29] into that interview with your advanced [00:10:32] history or you know politics and gov [00:10:37] essay and a D on the front of it and you [00:10:40] didn't hold it up like a badge of honor [00:10:42] saying let me show you what I wrote and [00:10:44] why I got this D. Because I refused to [00:10:48] write that capitalism is bad. I refused [00:10:52] to write that men can become women. I [00:10:56] refused to say the Second Amendment [00:10:58] should be repealed. I refused to say [00:11:01] that hate speech is not free speech. [00:11:05] I refused [00:11:07] and told that employer right from the [00:11:09] get-go who you really were. So that at a [00:11:12] minimum, if you weren't like-minded, you [00:11:14] had a basic respect for the fact that [00:11:16] you stand up for what you believe in and [00:11:18] you don't lie about what's important to [00:11:20] you. [00:11:21] >> What practical steps do you plan to take [00:11:22] or you think the government should take [00:11:24] when it comes to higher education not [00:11:26] evolving into indoctrination camps? [00:11:29] >> I like what Margaret Thatcher said. She [00:11:31] said, "First you need to first you need [00:11:33] to win the argument, then you can go win [00:11:35] the votes." But when you're talking [00:11:37] specifically about somebody who becomes [00:11:39] so radicalized, somebody who becomes so [00:11:44] um perverted in their thinking, so many [00:11:48] somebody who is it's there are people [00:11:51] that see that and hear that and feel [00:11:53] that and they know they see it and we [00:11:57] have to watch out for those. Those are [00:11:58] our friends. Those are our neighbors. [00:12:00] It's not law enforcement does an amazing [00:12:02] job, but they can't be everywhere to [00:12:05] everything. It goes to this question [00:12:06] earlier about mental health. You know, [00:12:09] um we have a long long ways to go to [00:12:13] assessment and how we treat it. And it [00:12:16] it I don't want to oversimplify it. Um, [00:12:20] again, it also I think goes back to this [00:12:22] degree of tolerism that I just think [00:12:25] there's some things, some actions, some [00:12:27] places that are just we should not [00:12:29] tolerate them and we should not put up [00:12:32] with them and we shouldn't have to live [00:12:34] with them. And there has to be a way to [00:12:36] to balance their constitutional rights [00:12:40] with our right for freedom. Right? I'm [00:12:43] wearing this shirt, right? Freedom, [00:12:44] right? Yes. Freedom. [00:12:50] Freedom is also your ability to live the [00:12:52] life that you want to lead the way you [00:12:54] want to lead it. We're all children of [00:12:55] God. And if we start with that premise [00:12:57] that we're all children of God, we can [00:12:59] deal with it compassionately, but it [00:13:01] doesn't mean we have to tolerate some of [00:13:03] the things that are being spewed. And [00:13:06] when it crosses over that line to not [00:13:09] just hatred, but it it crosses over the [00:13:11] line to say, "Oh, we're going to act out [00:13:13] and thrash out in violence." Those [00:13:15] people need to be arrested. They need to [00:13:17] be detained. They need to be booked. And [00:13:20] some of them need to be incarcerated. [00:13:23] [applause] [00:13:24] So that has to happen and it's not [00:13:27] happening now nationally, locally. It's [00:13:29] just not. [00:13:30] >> Tyler, can I can I can I just bring up [00:13:32] something on that one? Tyler, is that [00:13:33] okay? So I I just want I want to bring [00:13:35] up something because you you [00:13:36] specifically asked about universities, [00:13:38] right, in college. And uh one of the [00:13:40] things that I've been most concerned [00:13:41] about over the the past couple of [00:13:43] decades is the the lack of thought [00:13:45] diversity on college campuses. It it's [00:13:47] deeply troubling. And um I I I want to [00:13:50] give a shout out again to the [00:13:51] legislature. Um we worked very closely [00:13:53] with Utah State University on something [00:13:55] that I think is groundbreaking. Um it [00:13:57] will over the next couple years it will [00:13:59] be in every university in the state. Um, [00:14:01] but we're going to start teaching [00:14:03] Western thought again um to all of our [00:14:06] freshmen in this [cheering] [00:14:08] th [applause] [00:14:10] this this this is not I I want to be [00:14:14] very careful. This is not conservative [00:14:16] thought. We're we're not trying to [00:14:18] replace forcing liberal ideas on all of [00:14:21] our students with conservative ideas. [00:14:23] This is the the founding of Western [00:14:25] thought. These are the great books. This [00:14:27] is this is Aristotle. Um these are the [00:14:30] Stoics. This is Marcus Aurelius. Um, [00:14:32] it's the great British philosophers and [00:14:33] the Scottish philosophers. These are the [00:14:35] people that and and it's our founders. [00:14:37] These are the people that our founders [00:14:39] relied on to start this great nation. [00:14:41] This is what Abraham Lincoln and [00:14:43] Frederick Douglas and Martin Luther [00:14:45] King. This is what all of us studied in [00:14:47] college until about 20 years ago when it [00:14:50] just became whatever you want to do is [00:14:52] fine with us. And that's not okay. We [00:14:54] have to have a foundation to even have [00:14:56] these debates. And we've lost that [00:14:58] foundation. and we're getting that [00:14:59] foundation back here in the state of [00:15:01] Utah. [00:15:04] >> So, in my opinion, the mental health [00:15:06] crisis in America is the biggest threat [00:15:08] to the future of society. And the [00:15:09] numbers speak for themselves as in the [00:15:12] past 20 years, the reported uh [00:15:15] depression and anxiety rates have gone [00:15:18] uh from 8% to 20%. It feels like the [00:15:21] scale of this mental health issue is [00:15:23] overlooked and frankly being abused. uh [00:15:26] whether that is through social media [00:15:28] ecospheres and algorithms within school [00:15:30] systems or promotion of radical eth uh [00:15:33] radical left agendas such as [00:15:35] transgenderism. Uh so how will people [00:15:38] realize this massive issue that affects [00:15:40] all of us right now and what should we [00:15:42] do about it? [00:15:43] >> Look, it's an epidemic in our country. [00:15:45] Depression, anxiety, fentanyl, suicide, [00:15:49] all spreading like wildfire. And it's [00:15:51] not an accident that happened over the [00:15:53] same period that we see the rise of [00:15:56] psychological and polit political [00:15:57] poisons. Wokeism, transgenderism, [00:16:01] climatism, COVIDism. [00:16:04] These are symptoms in my view of a [00:16:07] deeper void of purpose and meaning in [00:16:10] our country, particularly amongst young [00:16:13] people. I'm not young compared to you [00:16:14] guys, but in my generation, millennials, [00:16:16] we see it. In your generation, Gen Z, we [00:16:18] see it. You have to fill that void with [00:16:20] the real thing. So, here's what I don't [00:16:22] think is going to work. I don't think [00:16:24] just symptomatic whack-a-ole is going to [00:16:25] work. I think we have to fill that void, [00:16:28] that black hole with the real thing, [00:16:31] with a vision of American national [00:16:33] identity that runs so deep that it [00:16:34] dilutes the poison to irrelevance. With [00:16:36] a self-confidence that comes from having [00:16:38] two parents in the home in a stable [00:16:40] nuclear family that gives a kid the [00:16:42] foundation to believe they can jump [00:16:44] higher when they do so from a stable [00:16:46] foundation. the revival of faith in our [00:16:49] country mediated not through the [00:16:50] government but through our culture. [00:16:52] Something that Charlie Kirk I know was [00:16:53] very focused on as well filling that [00:16:55] vacuum in the heart of every person. It [00:16:58] was actually a French scientist who once [00:17:00] said that it's Pascal Blae Pascal who [00:17:03] said if you have a void the size of hole [00:17:05] the size of God in your heart and God [00:17:06] doesn't fill it something else will [00:17:08] instead. So the way I look at it is [00:17:11] faith family patriotism start with just [00:17:13] pick two. Okay? It can't be zero. That's [00:17:15] where we're beginning. Now, where can [00:17:18] public leaders such as in government [00:17:19] make a difference? I think our schools [00:17:21] are a good opportunity to start. Early [00:17:23] detection in schools is a big [00:17:25] opportunity. Use an education system [00:17:27] that revives the self-confidence of our [00:17:29] young people. Bring back physical [00:17:31] education at a young age. Bring back the [00:17:33] presidential fitness test, PE as early [00:17:35] as kindergarten, physical health and [00:17:37] mental health are two sides of the same [00:17:39] coin. Serve healthier food in the [00:17:41] cafeterias. Revive civic education even [00:17:44] in high school. I personally think we do [00:17:46] that with some standards. I think every [00:17:48] high school senior who graduates from a [00:17:50] high school in this country should have [00:17:51] to pass the same civics test that [00:17:53] frankly every immigrant has to pass [00:17:55] before that immigrant becomes a voting [00:17:57] citizen. You got to know something about [00:17:58] your country, to be proud of your [00:18:00] country, to be proud of yourself. [00:18:04] But I want to give you credit for [00:18:05] putting your finger on the pulse of [00:18:06] something that knows no partisan [00:18:08] boundary. If you look at the numbers, it [00:18:10] knows no demographic or partisan [00:18:12] boundary. and we really want to fix the [00:18:14] country. We're going to fill that vacuum [00:18:15] in the heart of a generation. It's the [00:18:18] job of leaders like myself, governors [00:18:20] like those of us who are here and [00:18:22] leaders at every level, high and low, [00:18:24] including all the way to including the [00:18:25] household to play their role in stepping [00:18:28] up and reviving that missing sense of [00:18:30] purpose in our country. And if we do [00:18:32] that, I think the peak of this mental [00:18:33] health epidemic will be behind us. [00:18:35] >> Thank you. [00:18:36] >> Thank you, my man. Appreciate it. I also [00:18:38] wanted to start with some things that I [00:18:40] have personally learned that I think uh [00:18:44] might be helpful as you start your [00:18:46] journey. Um I'm a I'm an recovering [00:18:50] alcoholic. Um my mother died when I was [00:18:52] 13 years old. She committed suicide. [00:18:55] We've had three suicides in my family. [00:18:57] Um I contemplated suicide when I was [00:19:01] younger. It was kind of a family thing [00:19:04] that just made sense. um suicide and [00:19:07] suicidal thoughts, if anybody has had [00:19:09] them, uh you are under the grip of a [00:19:12] really powerful lie. Um and your life is [00:19:16] worth living. And once you conquer that [00:19:19] demon, life just gets better and better [00:19:21] and better. [00:19:23] [applause] [00:19:30] But when I was really young, I knew what [00:19:32] I was going to do. And I I believe I [00:19:34] heard a prompting from the Lord when I [00:19:36] was eight. And uh the Lord said to me, [00:19:40] "What you do in life will be a turning [00:19:42] point." [00:19:44] And uh uh I didn't know what that meant. [00:19:47] I was 8 years old, but I knew I was [00:19:49] going to be in radio. So I started doing [00:19:52] radio. I got into radio when I was about [00:19:54] 13. Uh and I have been doing it now for [00:19:58] this is my 49th year of doing broadcast. [00:20:01] Um, [applause] [00:20:08] and because I didn't understand the Lord [00:20:11] early on like I do now, [00:20:16] I thought I thought I was supposed to do [00:20:19] something great in the industry [00:20:23] and [00:20:26] I was very successful very young and I [00:20:28] made a lot of money when I was very [00:20:31] young and that is a very bad [00:20:33] combination. Fame, fortune, and 20 years [00:20:38] old. Uh, and every time I would make the [00:20:43] next milestone, it wasn't it. It wasn't [00:20:44] it. And I was more and more empty every [00:20:47] step of the way until I reached my 30s [00:20:50] and I was an alcoholic. no one would [00:20:53] work with me because I was an angry [00:20:56] alcoholic and I had a lot of things that [00:20:58] I had not dealt with. [00:21:01] So I want to tell you some of the things [00:21:03] that I have learned in my journey [00:21:06] because once I fixed those things, once [00:21:09] I dealt with those things, once I found [00:21:11] out who I really was, not what I thought [00:21:15] I was supposed to be, nothing else, just [00:21:18] who I really truly was, everything [00:21:22] changed overnight. [00:21:24] So let me start. I wrote down nine [00:21:27] things that I think are true and will [00:21:32] shape you into the person you were born [00:21:35] to be. Number one, question everything. [00:21:40] Everything. Anyone who tells you don't [00:21:43] ask that question, run from them. [00:21:46] Question everything. Thomas Jefferson [00:21:48] said in a letter to his uh nephew Peter [00:21:51] Carr. [00:21:52] Peter Carr was young. his mother had [00:21:55] died. Then his father is uh on his [00:21:57] deathbed and he asked Thomas Jefferson, [00:21:59] "Thomas, you're the smartest man I know. [00:22:01] Could you please help my son in his [00:22:04] educational upbringing?" So when Peter [00:22:06] became of age, he wrote him this long [00:22:09] letter and he said, "In mathematics, you [00:22:10] have to do this. In literature, you have [00:22:12] to read this. You have to speak these [00:22:13] languages. Never." I love this one. [00:22:15] Never read a book outside of its native [00:22:18] language. You will miss too much. [00:22:21] The last one was religion. [00:22:25] And he said, 'When it comes to religion, [00:22:27] above all things, fix reason firmly in [00:22:30] her seat and question with boldness even [00:22:35] the very existence of God. For if there [00:22:37] be a God, he must surely rather honest [00:22:42] questioning over blindfolded fear. [00:22:46] >> Amen. [00:22:46] >> That changed my life. That gave me [00:22:50] permission to question everything. I no [00:22:54] longer I no longer had to feel stupid. I [00:22:57] never had to feel guilty for questioning [00:22:59] God. I remember I read that and I [00:23:02] thought, you know what, God, I don't [00:23:04] really know you. I know you because of [00:23:07] what I have been taught. I know you [00:23:09] because of what everybody has told me. I [00:23:11] know you through church. I know you [00:23:13] through the Bible. But I don't really [00:23:15] know you. [00:23:17] I don't know if any of this is true. [00:23:22] So, I'm going to question with boldness. [00:23:24] And I'm going to start here. [00:23:27] I don't believe in you. I don't reject [00:23:29] you. But if you are my father in heaven, [00:23:33] you have built this entire system. So, I [00:23:36] will find you. I I imagined if it were [00:23:39] me and I were I'm a dad and I my [00:23:44] children had to find me on their own to [00:23:46] have real meaning and purpose. If I [00:23:49] built a room and it was a round room and [00:23:51] it didn't look like there were any doors [00:23:53] or windows. It was just this round room [00:23:55] all that's all they ever knew. [00:23:58] Everything I put in that room would [00:24:00] point to me. I would send them every [00:24:04] possible sign I exist. I'm on the other [00:24:08] side of this wall. [00:24:10] So if my heavenly father exists, [00:24:14] there's signs everywhere. [00:24:16] >> There are moments when you don't know [00:24:18] where to turn, when the money's not [00:24:20] there, when the courage is gone. When [00:24:24] you feel completely unseen, but [00:24:28] what you do have is conviction. And [00:24:31] conviction is enough for God to move [00:24:33] mountains. [00:24:35] And then As if to drive that message [00:24:38] home, I saw something else yesterday [00:24:40] that a lot of you guys saw. I saw a [00:24:43] photo of a dumpster full of Turning [00:24:45] Point posters, signs with my face on [00:24:48] them. And that's the reason my dad [00:24:50] hopped on a plane and flew from LA to [00:24:52] here to make sure that I wasn't alone. [00:25:04] These posters were tossed away like [00:25:07] garbage. Half the students here didn't [00:25:11] want me or Turning Point USA here. They [00:25:14] didn't want our voice, our values, our [00:25:17] faith, or our presence. For a second, it [00:25:21] kind of stung because let's be real, [00:25:23] we're human. And after what happened to [00:25:25] Charlie, it's scary to see something [00:25:27] like that happening. But then God [00:25:31] whispered, "What they meant to silence [00:25:34] you, I'll use to strengthen you." [00:25:36] [cheering] [00:25:41] >> So you can throw my face in the trash, [00:25:46] but you can't throw away the truth. You [00:25:48] can rip up signs, but you can't rip up [00:25:51] conviction. You can hate my presence, [00:25:54] but you cannot cancel purpose. [00:25:58] >> [cheering] [00:26:01] >> God has a funny way of using what the [00:26:04] world discards to raise up warriors. [00:26:07] What they meant for humiliation, he [00:26:10] turned into motivation. What they meant [00:26:12] to bury, he used to plant. And as I [00:26:15] looked at those signs surrounded by [00:26:17] garbage, I smiled because I realized you [00:26:21] can throw away my image. But you can't [00:26:24] silence the image of God that I know I [00:26:26] carry. [00:26:28] >> [cheering] [00:26:33] >> And that's what this is really about. [00:26:35] It's not about politics, but purpose. [00:26:38] Standing for what you believe in will [00:26:41] always cost you something. And if [00:26:43] someone tells you otherwise, then they [00:26:45] haven't stood up for anything. [00:26:48] I've decided that I would rather stand [00:26:51] alone in truth than sit comfortably in a [00:26:54] lie. [00:29:03] I've been a big fan of your show my [00:29:05] whole life. I used to watch it with my [00:29:07] father on TV and he's watching me right [00:29:10] now. And so this is really a privilege. [00:29:12] >> Um I'd like to say I agree with you on [00:29:15] most things um foreign policy, domestic [00:29:18] policy. However, there's one thing [00:29:20] >> that I do not agree with you with. [00:29:22] >> Weed. [00:29:26] I do not smoke. [00:29:28] >> I hate weed. Everyone loves weed. All [00:29:30] the cool kids love weed. I hate weed. [00:29:32] >> SO, OKAY. BUT I'M SORRY. I WON'T GUESS, [00:29:34] BUT TELL ME WHAT YOU DISAGREE with me [00:29:35] on. [00:29:36] >> I do disagree with you on abortion. [00:29:38] >> Yeah, a lot of people do. [00:29:40] >> And I'd like to call myself a [00:29:42] conservative, and sometimes it feels [00:29:43] like a copout to say that I'm a [00:29:45] pro-choice conservative. Um, I'm a man [00:29:48] of faith. I I do go to church, and I [00:29:50] believe in Jesus Christ, that he's my [00:29:52] Lord and Savior. But I think that when I [00:29:56] act as a conscientious actor, the same [00:29:58] way Henry David Theorough did with um [00:30:01] not want to support a government that [00:30:02] supports slavery and the same way [00:30:04] Socrates [00:30:05] did when he was in prison. I just don't [00:30:09] think I can align the belief that [00:30:11] abortion should be banned with the idea [00:30:13] that the government should be limited [00:30:15] and not infringing within people. [00:30:17] >> Does government have the right to [00:30:19] prevent people from killing each other? [00:30:22] I mean yes to a certain extent. I think [00:30:25] that [00:30:26] >> what what would be that extent? [00:30:28] >> I mean [00:30:29] >> when can government when can government [00:30:32] not tell people not to kill each other [00:30:34] >> in cases of self-defense? [00:30:37] >> If someone breaks into my property that [00:30:39] is correct. [00:30:40] >> Someone breaks into my property and I [00:30:42] act in retaliation. [00:30:44] I don't think the government should have [00:30:45] the right to say you can't do that. [00:30:47] >> I think I think you're absolutely right. [00:30:48] Of course I vehemently agree with you. I [00:30:51] think the distinction would be the child [00:30:55] didn't actually break in. [00:30:57] Um the child [00:31:00] didn't do anything wrong and one of to [00:31:04] to the young lady who was asking me [00:31:05] about the theocracy that she worries is [00:31:07] coming. Not soon enough. Sad. Uh but no, [00:31:10] totally kidding. Sort of. But um [00:31:16] you know one of the basis of the western [00:31:18] justice I was just extoing is that you [00:31:19] can't punish the innocent. That's why we [00:31:20] don't believe in collective punishment. [00:31:22] You only punish people who have done [00:31:23] something wrong. And the worst thing [00:31:24] that you can ever do in life and in the [00:31:27] justice system is punish the innocent. [00:31:30] You know what the famous was it Hugo [00:31:32] Black or some famous primary justice [00:31:34] said you know rather have 10 men go free [00:31:36] than one innocent man be punished. And [00:31:38] and I think most decent people feel that [00:31:40] way. I certainly do. and and that that [00:31:42] stems from a Christian understanding of [00:31:43] justice. So it's hard to identify the [00:31:46] crime the child has committed. Now you [00:31:48] could um I think we can conclusively say [00:31:50] the child has hasn't actually done [00:31:52] anything wrong. [00:31:53] >> Yes. [00:31:53] >> So you can't kill him. And you could [00:31:55] make the argument and people have that [00:31:57] for the first in fact made this argument [00:31:59] that the first three months it's not a [00:32:01] human. [00:32:02] >> Um I think it's kind of a weird [00:32:04] argument. I I don't agree with it but at [00:32:06] least it's an argument. But if the child [00:32:07] can live outside the womb, um you're [00:32:10] killing an innocent person. That's not a [00:32:12] close call at all. And people who call [00:32:14] themselves pro-choice don't seem that [00:32:17] eager to ban that. Like that should be [00:32:18] illegal tomorrow. If a child can live [00:32:20] outside the womb, I don't care if you [00:32:22] think the child is not up to your [00:32:24] specifications, like the kind of child [00:32:26] you want. Oh, the child is spobifid or [00:32:27] whatever. It's sad. Okay. But it's not a [00:32:30] crime. Having a birth defect is not a [00:32:32] crime, is it? I Hitler thought it was a [00:32:33] crime. I don't think it was a crime. So [00:32:35] you can't kill people who haven't done [00:32:37] anything wrong. And and I I just think [00:32:39] your position would have more [00:32:41] credibility. I'm not attacking you at [00:32:42] all. Again, I had your position. So I [00:32:44] understand that people of good faith can [00:32:46] can arrive at the place you have. But I [00:32:48] think it would be good to think that [00:32:50] through because there are [00:32:53] tens hundreds of thousands of post [00:32:55] viability children murdered every year [00:32:57] in abortion. And like can we allow that? [00:33:00] How can we allow that? I can't hear what [00:33:03] you're saying, but [00:33:08] Okay. Well, I don't know. If 1% of the [00:33:10] country were in slavery, you'd be like, [00:33:12] it's just 1%. You know, like if [00:33:13] something's bad, it's bad and the [00:33:15] government should be against it. Like [00:33:16] what's the point of a government? The [00:33:18] point of a government is to, [00:33:21] you know, maintain the, as they used to [00:33:23] say, the monopoly on violence. It's it's [00:33:25] the people we elect to maintain order [00:33:27] and carry out [00:33:30] the imposition of what we think is [00:33:31] justice. And if we agree that you can't [00:33:33] kill innocent people, and I hope that [00:33:35] all of us do, then the government should [00:33:37] prevent it. Like what's the point of [00:33:38] having a government otherwise? It's not [00:33:40] just to like, you know, secure copyright [00:33:42] and make it, you know, easy for the [00:33:44] hedge funds to operate. There has to be [00:33:45] something else. And that would be a good [00:33:48] place to start. [00:33:49] >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Carlson. I [00:33:51] will be reflecting tonight. [00:33:53] >> Appreciate it. Thank you. [00:33:54] >> Hey, Ally. I'm Sparky Purcell from [00:33:57] Beluxy, Mississippi. Uh, I'm a disabled [00:33:59] veteran with a pretty serious PTSD [00:34:01] issues [00:34:02] >> and u [00:34:03] >> Well, thank you so much. Thank you. [00:34:06] [applause] [00:34:06] >> And [00:34:08] my I have I have uh two boys at home, 12 [00:34:12] and 14. My wife left me, of course, [00:34:14] PTSD, you understand? So, um uh but they [00:34:17] made me come, they made me uh listen to [00:34:19] Charlie Kirk for the last year, and I [00:34:22] don't want to listen. I don't go to [00:34:23] church anymore. Don't want to go to [00:34:24] church. And the reason why uh is that I [00:34:27] I you know I felt like no one was there [00:34:30] for me you know before the military and [00:34:33] the traumas and then during the military [00:34:36] you know it was trauma but it was people [00:34:38] were there for me after the military [00:34:39] there's nobody been there for me except [00:34:41] for the the VA you know [00:34:43] >> but I don't have any people in any [00:34:45] churches that really understand that you [00:34:48] know uh we would do anything for other [00:34:50] people but where are they for us we've [00:34:53] helped people [00:34:54] >> build our houses for free, fix their [00:34:56] cars, get them furniture, clothes for [00:34:57] the kids. We we run like dogs. [00:35:00] >> Yeah. [00:35:01] >> And and and I my struggle is [00:35:04] >> how would you how would you how would [00:35:05] you communicate to pastors and priests [00:35:09] like I would like to just say look this [00:35:12] is not working. [00:35:13] >> Yeah. [00:35:13] >> You know, forgive me. I got you. It's [00:35:15] not working for me. 40 years. I learned [00:35:17] about Jesus 40 years ago and and uh uh [00:35:21] you know my uh team in the military and [00:35:22] the unit I trained for, they love my [00:35:24] studies. I was pretty good, Sparky. But [00:35:27] uh I I just feel overwhelmed like I've [00:35:29] give up. Yeah. I you know we I have [00:35:31] people give me stuff all the time for [00:35:33] these families and we you know we just [00:35:35] carry it to them, give it to them and [00:35:36] you know if they're we find out how [00:35:38] they're we get behind the doors is kind [00:35:39] of what I'm saying. But but my problem [00:35:41] is [00:35:42] >> I still see Baptist and Methodists and [00:35:44] Catholics and Presbyterians. I I don't [00:35:46] understand that. Why are we still Why is [00:35:48] there no you want open dialogue? And [00:35:50] that's why I fell in love with Charlie's [00:35:51] idea. I went I got to get a hold of this [00:35:53] guy. [00:35:53] >> Yeah. [00:35:53] >> Now I'm a little pissed that he's gone. [00:35:55] But right [00:35:56] >> you know the open dialogue thing won't [00:35:58] happen in the churches. I can't talk [00:36:00] about anything. [00:36:01] >> Yeah. [00:36:02] >> Honestly, it really really gets people [00:36:04] behind those doors, you know. [00:36:06] >> Yeah. And that's a big conversation and [00:36:07] you ask a lot of good questions and a [00:36:09] lot of your frustrations are totally [00:36:12] totally understandable. Let me tell you [00:36:14] this. People will always disappoint us [00:36:17] and they will always betray us, but [00:36:19] Jesus never ever will. He never will. [00:36:22] And I know that can feel hard to believe [00:36:25] when you feel like the people who [00:36:26] represent Jesus aren't representing him [00:36:28] well and aren't loving you well and [00:36:30] aren't sacrificing well. And I totally [00:36:32] understand that. I really encourage you [00:36:35] and I can't I don't know what the [00:36:36] churches are like in Buxy. I don't but I [00:36:39] really want you to try again. And I [00:36:41] really want you to get yourself a Bible. [00:36:44] And I really want you to start at John [00:36:46] 1. And I want you to just pray and say, [00:36:48] "God, if I'm missing something, will you [00:36:50] show me?" And I want you to start there [00:36:52] because that's where all of us start. [00:36:53] People will disappoint you and fail you [00:36:56] and betray you and leave you, but Jesus [00:36:58] never ever will. [00:37:01] >> Your generation is living at a [00:37:02] crossroads. [00:37:05] And you are living in one of the most [00:37:07] defining moments in American history. [00:37:11] And we are all witnessing in real time [00:37:14] the battle that is raging for the soul [00:37:17] of your generation. [00:37:19] Again, your generation. [00:37:22] This is far more than political. [00:37:26] And you will hear the world and the [00:37:27] culture for that matter pressure you and [00:37:30] say, "Go with the flow. Don't ruffle [00:37:33] feathers. [00:37:35] Don't say that you might offend someone. [00:37:39] You might lose some friends if you wear [00:37:42] a red hat, if you go to a Turning Point [00:37:44] USA chapter event. [00:37:50] But [00:37:51] when I hear that, I just I need to be so [00:37:54] blunt and honest with you now because [00:37:56] before when I heard it, I said, "Okay, [00:37:59] now when I hear that, [00:38:04] if you're worried about losing a friend, [00:38:08] you might [00:38:11] I lost my friend. I lost my best friend. [00:38:17] And if you're nervous about standing up [00:38:18] for the truth, [00:38:20] the assassination of my husband [00:38:24] puts into perspective [00:38:28] all those fears. [00:38:31] It really does [00:38:33] because my husband never went with the [00:38:35] flow. [00:38:36] He swam in the streams of significance. [00:38:41] And Charlie knew so deeply to his core [00:38:45] that comfort doesn't change the world. [00:38:50] And you cannot influence the world when [00:38:52] you look like it. [00:38:57] The enemy of truth doesn't need to [00:38:59] destroy a nation overnight. [00:39:02] He just needs to convince people that [00:39:04] truth no longer matters. [00:39:08] And the enemy thrives when Christians [00:39:10] don't speak up, when citizens don't [00:39:13] vote, when students don't think for [00:39:16] themselves. [00:39:18] But in Ephesians 5:1, it says, "Have [00:39:22] nothing to do with the fruitless deeds [00:39:24] of darkness, but rather expose them." [00:39:28] That's what it means to live as salt and [00:39:30] light. [00:39:32] to bring flavor to a world gone bland in [00:39:35] clarity, to a world that lost its way [00:39:38] and it's lost in confusion. Because [00:39:40] Christians are called to go into the [00:39:43] public space to correct air with truth [00:39:46] and that's what my husband did [00:39:49] when he would sit there with his [00:39:51] microphone. [00:39:52] I got to watch this evolve over the [00:39:55] years. [00:39:57] At first he would hold the microphone [00:39:59] the whole time. [00:40:01] He would listen. [00:40:04] Then his ears went on. He would put the [00:40:07] microphone down. And he wasn't [00:40:09] listening. He was hearing. He was [00:40:12] absorbing what the students were saying [00:40:15] and what they were asking. [00:40:17] He was engaging. [00:40:20] He was calm. [00:40:22] He wasn't combative. He never insulted. [00:40:26] He just wanted you to think. Again, like [00:40:28] I said, he never told you what to say. [00:40:30] He just wanted to challenge you so that [00:40:32] what your convictions were, you actually [00:40:36] understood why you had them rather than [00:40:37] they being talking points because your [00:40:39] professor told you so or your friend [00:40:41] told you so. [00:40:43] He wanted the best of you because he [00:40:46] demanded the best of himself. [00:40:50] And Charlie would say this all the time. [00:40:55] Your rights don't come from the [00:40:56] government. They come from God. [00:41:00] And he knew what every founding father [00:41:02] knew. And [00:41:05] almost nearly almost every university [00:41:08] has forgotten that you cannot have [00:41:09] freedom without virtue. And you cannot [00:41:11] have virtue without God. [00:41:15] And that's what makes this nation so [00:41:17] different. That's what makes it worth [00:41:18] defending as a courageous generation. [00:41:23] And another thing that Charlie used to [00:41:25] say all the time is that it does not [00:41:27] take skill to be courageous. [00:41:29] It takes a choice to be courageous. [00:41:36] And now is the time to make that choice. [00:41:38] Either you sit on the sidelines. I mean, [00:41:39] I don't know what else can wake you up. [00:41:43] I I really don't know what else could [00:41:45] stir that fire within you to get [00:41:48] involved or to use your voice or to make [00:41:50] a difference. If if you're looking for [00:41:52] another sign, I have [00:41:55] I have no idea what to tell you. [00:42:00] I just I just want to encourage you [00:42:01] though [00:42:03] that [00:42:07] yes, [00:42:08] this is about America. [00:42:11] And yes, my husband would say saving [00:42:14] Western civil civil, excuse me, [00:42:16] civilization. That's true on both [00:42:17] fronts. [snorts] [00:42:19] But deeper than that, this is about your [00:42:20] soul because the fight for freedom [00:42:23] starts within [00:42:26] inside of each and every one of you. [00:42:29] So again, please [00:42:34] stand firm [00:42:36] against the wickedness of the devil and [00:42:39] the schemes of man. [00:42:42] Be alert because his tactics are so [00:42:45] clever. What he'll do is he will find [00:42:48] one thing. He will find fear. He'll find [00:42:51] disappointment. He will find one thing [00:42:52] and he will wedge it in between you and [00:42:54] the Lord. And he will make it grow. He [00:42:57] will make it grow so much that you lose [00:43:01] sight. It becomes this almost like an [00:43:04] eclipse [00:43:06] where the truth is hidden behind it. And [00:43:11] yes, the light's still there, but you [00:43:13] can't see it anymore. That's the enemy's [00:43:16] tactic. And the bottom line is that the [00:43:18] enemy doesn't need to change your [00:43:19] theology. [00:43:21] He just needs to change your vision. [00:43:24] And if he can get in your head and blur [00:43:27] your vision and distort your vision, [00:43:32] he'll do it. He'll do whatever he can. [00:43:35] But what the enemy forgets though [00:43:40] is that the presence of a shadow is [00:43:42] proof that there is light. [00:43:45] He forgets that. And Charlie's murder [00:43:48] might seem like we're standing in a [00:43:50] shadow as if death was the victory meant [00:43:53] for the enemy. But looking around in [00:43:55] this arena, you are proof that this [00:43:58] light of truth burns so brightly. [00:44:03] So brightly. [00:44:15] The Lord is calling you to rise. Please [00:44:18] hear me when I say that courageously. He [00:44:21] is. [00:44:23] Do not be afraid. It is so easy to be [00:44:25] afraid. But we are commanded to not be [00:44:28] afraid. [00:44:33] And when you take that stand, [00:44:35] it will encourage and inspire someone [00:44:38] else to do the same. [00:44:41] Whether that is someone in your circle, [00:44:45] whether that's a family member, whether [00:44:47] that's someone you never even met before [00:44:49] because they saw you posting something [00:44:52] on social media. [00:44:54] You can't change a nation if you're [00:44:56] enslaved to fear. [00:45:00] And you can't call out corruption [00:45:03] if you're still chained to comfort. [00:45:08] And you can't stand for truth if you [00:45:10] first do not kneel before the Lord. [00:45:12] >> Hello, Mr. Vice President. Thank you so [00:45:14] much for giving this opportunity to talk [00:45:16] here today. I did not agree with many of [00:45:19] the things that you said right ahead of [00:45:21] this, but I don't think that's my point [00:45:23] to discuss here. What I want to ask is [00:45:27] you are married to a woman who is not [00:45:30] Christian in her Wikipedia. I mean I [00:45:33] just looked that up. I I wanted to know [00:45:35] what her faith was. I didn't know this [00:45:37] before. But she still calls herself [00:45:40] Hindu. You are raising two kids, three [00:45:43] kids in inter [00:45:46] cultural racial religious household. How [00:45:51] are you maintaining [00:45:53] or how are you teaching your kids not to [00:45:56] keep your religion ahead of their [00:45:59] mother's religion? Or how are you [00:46:01] teaching them that your kind, their dad [00:46:05] kind who got here just few years or few [00:46:08] hundred year few decades ago is [00:46:10] different or is better than your mom's [00:46:14] kind who got here just a generation [00:46:16] before. How are you balancing that? And [00:46:19] when you talk about too many immigrant [00:46:22] here, what is when did you guys decide [00:46:25] that number? Why did you sell us a [00:46:29] dream? You made us spent our youth, our [00:46:33] wealth in this country and gave us a [00:46:35] dream. You don't owe us anything. We [00:46:38] have worked hard for it. Then how can [00:46:40] you as a vice president stand there and [00:46:44] say that we have too many of them now [00:46:47] and we are going to take them out to [00:46:49] people who are here rightfully so by [00:46:53] paying the money that you guys asked us. [00:46:56] You gave us the path and now how can you [00:46:59] stop it and tell us we don't belong here [00:47:02] anymore. And one more thing I'm sorry [00:47:04] one more thing. Do you have to be [00:47:06] >> there's a lot there. I don't know if I'm [00:47:07] going to remember all this but I will I [00:47:08] will try. Sorry. I'm sorry. I had to say [00:47:10] all of this and please take it with due. [00:47:13] I mean, I'm saying all of this course. [00:47:14] No, no, go ahead. I have no intention of [00:47:17] causing a scene here or anything, but [00:47:20] >> we're not close to causing a scene. [00:47:21] Don't worry. [00:47:22] >> But we talked about Christianity all of [00:47:25] this. I'm not even Christian and I'm [00:47:27] here standing to so support. Why are we [00:47:31] making Christianity one of the major [00:47:34] thing that you have to have in common to [00:47:36] be one of you guys to show that I love [00:47:39] America just as you do? Why is that [00:47:43] still a question? Why do I have to be a [00:47:45] Christian or [00:47:46] >> Okay. So I there there was a lot there [00:47:49] and I'm going to try to respond to as [00:47:51] much of it as I can. So on on the [00:47:53] question of of immigration, so first of [00:47:56] all, I can believe that we should have [00:47:59] lower immigration levels. But if the [00:48:01] United States passed a law and made a [00:48:05] promise to somebody, the United States, [00:48:07] of course, has to honor that promise. [00:48:08] Nobody's talking about that. I'm talking [00:48:10] about people who came in in violation of [00:48:13] the laws of the United States of [00:48:14] America. And I'm talking about in the [00:48:16] future reducing the number reducing the [00:48:19] number of people. [00:48:21] Sorry, what? [00:48:22] >> Can I continue on that? Because when you [00:48:25] just said you are not stopping with the [00:48:29] people who came here legally, right? But [00:48:31] you are pushing out policies that hurt [00:48:34] us and these policies are not even [00:48:37] solving the problems. These policies are [00:48:40] just creating [00:48:41] >> No, ma'am. Okay. So, so again, I I I'm [00:48:43] gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna finish [00:48:44] answering the question and then um if [00:48:47] you know if if I've answered all nine of [00:48:49] your questions in less than 15 minutes, [00:48:52] then we can keep on going. [00:48:56] I we got to have a little fun, right? [00:48:58] So, here here's here's the thing. I I [00:49:00] can believe that the United States [00:49:04] should should lower its levels of [00:49:06] immigration in the future while also [00:49:08] respecting that there are people who [00:49:10] have come here through immigration path [00:49:12] lawful immigration pathways that have [00:49:13] contributed to the country. But just [00:49:15] because one person or 10 people or a 100 [00:49:18] people came in legally and contributed [00:49:20] to the to the United States of America, [00:49:23] does that mean that we're thereby [00:49:24] committed to let in a million or 10 [00:49:27] million or a 100red million people a [00:49:28] year in the future? No. No, that that's [00:49:30] not right. We cannot have I'll I'll go [00:49:33] and finish. We cannot have an [00:49:34] immigration policy where what was good [00:49:37] for the country 50 or 60 years ago binds [00:49:40] the country inevitably for the future. [00:49:42] There's too many people who want to come [00:49:43] to the United States of America. And my [00:49:45] job as vice president is not to look out [00:49:47] for the interest of the whole world. [00:49:49] It's to look out for the people of the [00:49:51] United States. Now, [00:49:59] Now you you you you asked you asked a [00:50:02] personal question about about our [00:50:04] interfaith household. And yes, my wife [00:50:06] did not grow up Christian. I think it's [00:50:08] fair to say that she grew up in a Hindu [00:50:10] family, but not a particularly religious [00:50:12] family in either direction. In fact, [00:50:14] when I met my wife, we were both I would [00:50:16] consider myself an agnostic or an [00:50:18] atheist. And that's what I think she [00:50:19] would have considered herself as well. [00:50:21] You know, everybody has to come to their [00:50:23] own arrangement here. The way that we've [00:50:24] come to our arrangement is she's my best [00:50:27] friend. We talk to each other about this [00:50:28] stuff. So, we've decided to raise our [00:50:31] kids Christian. Our two oldest kids who [00:50:33] go to school, they go to a Christian [00:50:34] school. Uh our eight-year-old did his [00:50:36] his first communion about a year ago. [00:50:39] That's the way that we have come to our [00:50:40] arrangement. [00:50:42] But thank you. [00:50:47] My 8-year-old was also very proud of his [00:50:48] first communion. Thank you guys. I'll [00:50:50] tell him that old miss wishes him the [00:50:51] best. But I think everybody has to have [00:50:54] this this this own conversation when [00:50:56] you're in a marriage. I mean, it's true [00:50:57] for friends of mine who are in [00:51:00] Protestant and Catholic marriages, [00:51:02] friends of mine who are in, you know, [00:51:03] atheists and Christian marriages. You [00:51:05] just got to talk to your The only advice [00:51:07] I can give is you just got to talk to [00:51:09] the person that God has put you with. [00:51:11] And you've got to make those decisions [00:51:13] as a family unit. For us, it works out. [00:51:15] Now, most Sundays, Usha will come with [00:51:17] me to church. As I've told her and I've [00:51:19] said publicly and I'll say now in front [00:51:21] of 10,000 of my closest friends, do I [00:51:23] hope eventually that she is somehow [00:51:26] moved by the same thing that I was moved [00:51:28] in by church? Yeah, I honestly I do wish [00:51:31] that because I believe in the Christian [00:51:33] gospel and I hope eventually my wife [00:51:36] comes to see it the same way. But if she [00:51:38] doesn't, then God says everybody has [00:51:41] free will and so that doesn't cause a [00:51:42] problem for me. That's something you [00:51:44] work out with your friends, with your [00:51:46] family, with the person that you love. [00:51:48] Again, the most one of the most [00:51:50] important Christian principles is that [00:51:51] you respect free will. Usha is closer to [00:51:54] the priests who baptize me than maybe I [00:51:56] am. They talk about this stuff. My [00:51:58] attitude is you figure this stuff out as [00:52:01] a family and you trust in God to have a [00:52:03] plan and you try to follow it as best as [00:52:05] you can. And that's what I try to do. I [00:52:07] want to make a final point. [00:52:12] So, I I don't want to cut you off. I [00:52:13] want to be respectful to all the people [00:52:14] behind you in line, but I want to make [00:52:16] this point about immigration. Okay, [00:52:19] if you ask the question, what is the [00:52:21] exact right number of immigrants for the [00:52:24] United States to let in? It is just very [00:52:26] specific on the context. If you go back [00:52:28] to the 1920s, the United States passed [00:52:31] an immigration reform act that [00:52:33] effectively cut down immigration to [00:52:35] close to zero for 40 years in this [00:52:37] country. And what happened over those 40 [00:52:39] years? the many many people who had come [00:52:42] from many different foreign countries [00:52:44] and different foreign cultures, they [00:52:46] assimilated into American culture and [00:52:48] there was an expectation that they would [00:52:50] assimilate into American culture. I [00:52:52] think we have two problems in our [00:52:53] immigration system today. And my my [00:52:55] guess is you're probably a slightly more [00:52:57] leftist political persuasion, liberal [00:52:59] political persuasion, maybe not. But [00:53:01] here's the thing. I remember back back [00:53:04] in in my establishment GOP days when I [00:53:06] was still very early getting involved in [00:53:08] Republican politics. I remember a [00:53:12] conservative think tank person who told [00:53:14] me that one of the reasons why [00:53:16] immigration was really good is that if [00:53:19] you had enough diversity in a country, [00:53:22] people would mistrust each other and [00:53:24] they wouldn't join labor unions. [00:53:27] Okay. So when I see a lot of left-wing [00:53:29] people who theoretically support [00:53:31] organized labor, saying we need to flood [00:53:33] the country with a limitless number of [00:53:35] immigrants, they're unwilling to set any [00:53:37] limitations on it. My response to that [00:53:39] is you are destroying the very social [00:53:42] trust on which American freedom and [00:53:44] prosperity was built and that is really [00:53:47] important to me. [00:53:51] So the honest answer to your question, [00:53:52] what is the exact number of immigrants [00:53:54] America should accept in the future? [00:53:56] Right now, the answer is far less than [00:53:59] we've been accepting. We have got to [00:54:01] become a common community again. And you [00:54:03] can't do that when you have such high [00:54:05] numbers of immigration, which is one of [00:54:06] the reasons why we have the immigration [00:54:08] policy we do. Thank you. [00:54:10] >> Hello. So, we're in high school and [00:54:13] talking about politics is just really [00:54:15] brutal because it goes straight to name [00:54:17] calling. So, my question is for people [00:54:19] who disagree with us, how can we try to [00:54:22] find a way to commonly like come [00:54:24] together and talk about our age. [00:54:27] >> Well, first of all, [00:54:31] thank you ladies for being here tonight. [00:54:34] This is absolutely incredible to have [00:54:35] you. And I would say if you ever feel [00:54:38] like you are too nervous to talk to [00:54:41] somebody or you're not sure what to say, [00:54:44] remember our friend Charlie Kirk over [00:54:45] there. Channel Charlie. Take a moment. [00:54:49] Understand that you are speaking from a [00:54:51] place of truth. You are speaking from a [00:54:53] place of goodness. You are speaking from [00:54:55] a place of understanding and you can [00:54:58] just tell these people that this is what [00:55:00] you believe. They don't have to believe [00:55:02] it with you. And that is the beauty of [00:55:04] the United States of America because we [00:55:06] can agree to disagree in this great [00:55:09] country. That's what it's all about. [00:55:12] >> Once in a while you you have to beat the [00:55:14] drum. You have to stand up for what's [00:55:15] right even if it feels unpopular. So [00:55:18] oftent times the things that feel [00:55:19] unpopular are actually the most popular [00:55:23] things and you can't back down and you [00:55:25] can't cower and you can't hide and you [00:55:29] can't silence your voice and you can't [00:55:30] just think something and [00:55:31] compartmentalize it. You actually really [00:55:34] have to follow your heart, right? And [00:55:35] you also have to be smarter than them. [00:55:37] That's what Charlie did better than [00:55:38] anybody. He was the best debater and he [00:55:41] was sharper than them and he was right [00:55:42] on the issues, right? So between the [00:55:44] fact that he was smarter and he was [00:55:46] actually correct in terms of the policy, [00:55:49] he could win the debate. And and that's [00:55:51] what I hope you you can both do. And I [00:55:53] think that's what I hope we can all do. [00:55:55] Be smarter than them and be right on the [00:55:57] issues and win the debate and do so [00:56:00] using civility, you know, and not evil [00:56:03] and violence. [00:56:04] >> Thank you so much. That's really [00:56:06] helpful. [00:56:07] >> Thank you, ladies. [00:56:09] >> Yes. Hi, I have a question for all four [00:56:11] of you. Um, in America, and I assume so, [00:56:14] in England, we have a problem with [00:56:15] veterans and homelessness and mental [00:56:17] illness. What are we doing as a society [00:56:20] to help them? On the left, I see [00:56:23] disrespect towards towards veterans and [00:56:25] our culture where men can't talk and [00:56:27] talk about their feelings as our [00:56:28] military is majorly men. But on the [00:56:30] right, we make an abortionist big issue, [00:56:33] and I disagree with abortion in general. [00:56:35] But what are we doing to keep the people [00:56:38] that are already here that have fought [00:56:39] for our freedoms here and on this earth? [00:56:42] >> Well, we have to take care of our [00:56:44] veterans. Otherwise, this country's soul [00:56:47] will rot. We need to take care of people [00:56:49] who are protecting this country. So that [00:56:53] we're doing better. This administration [00:56:56] specifically is is doing better. But we [00:56:58] have to we have to help. I mean, there [00:57:01] used to be in World War I, there's a [00:57:02] thing called shell shock, you know, and [00:57:05] then it was like, you know, now it's [00:57:06] down to post-traumatic stress syndrome. [00:57:08] These are really tough things that these [00:57:10] people come back and what they've had to [00:57:11] endure. These are your neighbors. And I [00:57:13] would just like to say this, too, u [00:57:15] slight off subject. We need to figure [00:57:17] out a way to include everybody to do [00:57:19] what they can do for this country, not [00:57:22] what this country can do for you. We [00:57:24] need to put in a voluntary system of [00:57:26] university students and it's going to we [00:57:28] need two years of your life dedicated. [00:57:30] You want to do the military, you want to [00:57:31] serve overseas, you want to help people, [00:57:33] you're going to you should we need you [00:57:34] to do that. We can't just have a group [00:57:36] of people that's selective service and [00:57:38] then just send people over. Everybody. [00:57:40] So when some when there is a conflict [00:57:41] internationally, everyone's son and [00:57:44] daughter is potentially going to be sent [00:57:47] there. And that will make us all think [00:57:49] twice about some other war that we don't [00:57:51] want to get tangled in. Thank you. As I [00:57:55] want to mention one thing as a as a [00:57:57] veteran and that is um every country [00:58:03] uh has to have both [00:58:07] a force that will protect them from evil [00:58:10] outside the country. That's what the [00:58:11] military is about. And a force that will [00:58:14] protect people from evil inside the [00:58:15] country. That's the essential primary [00:58:18] purpose of government. to protect [00:58:20] innocent people from evil and punish [00:58:22] wrongdoers. Biblically, that's Romans [00:58:24] 13. Uh James Madison, who wrote our [00:58:27] constitution, said, "If men were angels, [00:58:29] no government would be necessary." [00:58:32] We need a government and a good [00:58:34] government to protect innocent people [00:58:36] from evil. Here's my question to you. I [00:58:38] don't know the answer to it. We have [00:58:40] limited resources in this country to [00:58:42] take care of people. Are we spending [00:58:44] more money on people who shouldn't be [00:58:49] here than we are on our own veterans? [00:58:52] >> Yeah. Like gender reaffirming care. [00:58:54] >> Well, not just that. I'm talking about [00:58:55] illegal immigration [00:58:57] >> in this state. [00:58:58] >> So, that shouldn't be. Every country [00:59:00] should take care of their own first. [00:59:02] That's why we have countries. That's why [00:59:04] God set up borders. [00:59:07] >> Thank you. [applause] Now, Peter. [00:59:09] >> Yeah. I just have a I have a very quick [00:59:11] book recommendation by Michael [00:59:13] Shelonburgger as it's appropriate called [00:59:16] San Francisco. And he lays out, if you [00:59:18] haven't read it, it's a phenomenal book. [00:59:20] It's evidence-based. And he talks about [00:59:22] homelessness and drug addiction. And one [00:59:24] of the things he talks about is a [00:59:25] principle uh shelter first, housing [00:59:28] earned. So, you have to incentivize [00:59:30] sobriety. But if you want a point of [00:59:32] contact to read about evidence-based [00:59:34] solutions, that's my recommendation. [00:59:36] >> Right. Thank you. Thank you. I [00:59:37] appreciate if I can ask I want to I want [00:59:38] Peter if you could talk to us about [00:59:40] because he he has a beautiful system. I [00:59:42] want you to think about this how to have [00:59:44] difficult conversations and it really [00:59:46] was because we're you're going to have [00:59:48] difficult conversations with the people [00:59:49] outside here who are still waiting for [00:59:51] us to leave. [00:59:53] How are we going to have difficult [00:59:54] conversations Peter and how how do we [00:59:56] handle it? [00:59:57] >> Thanks. So, I'm preparing myself for the [01:00:00] onslaught of booze I'm about to get for [01:00:02] this, but in 2013, I wrote a book, A [01:00:05] Manual for Creating Atheists. [01:00:09] Oh, wow. Okay, that wasn't what I was [01:00:11] expecting. And I walked backstage here [01:00:15] and I walked in to to I don't know, my [01:00:19] my new friend Frank, who wrote, "I don't [01:00:21] have enough faith to be an atheist." And [01:00:24] Frank came immediately over to me and [01:00:26] shook my hand and said, "Peter, it is so [01:00:28] nice to meet you.