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[00:00:00] What is your price?
[00:00:03] Because if your price is not your life,
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[00:00:19] Health Sharing. Joining us today is
[00:00:22] Michelle Evans. Michelle joins us in
[00:00:24] studio here today in Florida. Michelle
[00:00:26] is the current Republican Party chair of
[00:00:28] Williamson County in the state of Texas.
[00:00:31] You come from that's the Austin area.
[00:00:33] Austin Capital, Texas. Evans is
[00:00:35] currently under criminal investigation
[00:00:37] for an event stemming back to May of
[00:00:39] 2023 when she was at the state capital
[00:00:42] in support of something called SB14,
[00:00:46] a bill which was eventually passed
[00:00:48] statewide to ban gender transition
[00:00:50] surgeries for minors. Now, at the event,
[00:00:53] Evans encountered a biological male
[00:00:56] lawmaker using the women's bathroom and
[00:00:59] confronted him. A colleague of
[00:01:01] Michelle's took a photo of the man,
[00:01:03] fully clothed, using the sink, and
[00:01:06] posted it to Facebook to argue against
[00:01:08] this activity. Now, Evans posted the
[00:01:11] photo to X. And here you have the photo
[00:01:13] with the caption, "I'm sure it won't be
[00:01:16] the last time today, but just had to
[00:01:17] tell this man to stop using the women's
[00:01:19] arrest in the capital. These are young
[00:01:21] girls here on school field trips. Take
[00:01:23] her delusion and fetish
[00:01:26] the f out of of our spaces. Hashtag.
[00:01:30] Hashtags are a thing of the past, but
[00:01:31] she uses hashtags. Trans women are men.
[00:01:34] Protect female spaces. # Texas
[00:01:36] legislature.
[00:01:38] Evans posted that photo and due to the
[00:01:40] posting, a district attorney for Travis
[00:01:43] County, that's the county that Austin,
[00:01:46] Texas, is located in, Jose Garza,
[00:01:49] launched an investigation to whether
[00:01:50] Evans violated a state law prohibiting
[00:01:52] the photographing a recording of another
[00:01:54] person in a bathroom without consent.
[00:01:56] And there's the lawsuit. And this is um
[00:01:59] in United States Court of Appeals for
[00:02:00] the Fifth Circuit.
[00:02:02] >> That's an appeals court. We have that in
[00:02:04] common, by the way. We're both
[00:02:05] litigating in appeals courts.
[00:02:06] >> We're both on the right side. I'm in the
[00:02:08] DC Circuit Court. You're in the fifth
[00:02:10] circuit court of appeals. This is
[00:02:12] recently December 9th, 2025. Michelle
[00:02:14] Evans, plaintiff versus Jose Garza.
[00:02:19] >> And again, this is all from 2023. Long
[00:02:22] introduction for you, Evans. This is a
[00:02:25] lot going on here. Now, last month, and
[00:02:28] I got to set up for the audience and
[00:02:29] know what's going on.
[00:02:29] >> Sure. Elon Musk's ex came out in support
[00:02:33] of Evans legal case, stating that
[00:02:35] posting the photo that she hadn't even
[00:02:38] taken herself is within the purview of
[00:02:40] the First Amendment. And it's and this
[00:02:42] is the uh global government affairs for
[00:02:44] X faces potential criminal charges um in
[00:02:48] sharing political commentary about a
[00:02:50] heated topic. Now, Evans joins us here
[00:02:54] today. So, wow.
[00:02:55] >> Yeah.
[00:02:56] >> Unbelievable. Uh I don't even know where
[00:02:58] to begin. Where do you want to begin?
[00:03:00] >> Um, let's begin on the day that this
[00:03:02] happened because that's when things were
[00:03:04] kind of wild. Actually, I'm going to go
[00:03:05] back a couple weeks before that.
[00:03:07] >> Okay.
[00:03:07] >> So, this was the third time that the
[00:03:09] House was debating
[00:03:11] >> passage of this bill. The first time
[00:03:14] they debated it, everybody was removed
[00:03:16] from the gallery because the trans
[00:03:18] activists had kind of a what we called a
[00:03:20] transerection. They unfurled banners.
[00:03:23] They um
[00:03:24] >> trans what?
[00:03:25] >> Transerection.
[00:03:26] >> A trans surrection. And I thought you
[00:03:27] said trans erection.
[00:03:29] >> No, no, that was a generation. That's
[00:03:30] >> a whole different issue.
[00:03:32] >> Okay. Trans erection continued.
[00:03:34] >> And uh so everybody was removed from the
[00:03:36] gallery. We couldn't debate the bill. Um
[00:03:38] the second time there was a point of
[00:03:40] order. It was very short-lived. And so
[00:03:42] the third time, you know, we were
[00:03:43] anticipating this would pass. We would
[00:03:45] be successful. Uh myself and dozens of
[00:03:49] other activists um conservative
[00:03:51] activists were in the audience wearing
[00:03:54] matching red shirts and um that said
[00:03:57] save Texas kids. Uh during a lull we
[00:04:00] took a bathroom break. I escorted some
[00:04:02] of the older females I was carrying that
[00:04:05] day and we anticipated that there might
[00:04:07] be something um hinky happening and you
[00:04:10] know the that transurrection
[00:04:13] I'm trying to say it in a way that's not
[00:04:15] confusing
[00:04:17] um one of the activists the trans
[00:04:19] activist like hit my hand to try to take
[00:04:21] my phone away. They were screaming. They
[00:04:23] were berating us getting in our faces.
[00:04:25] So just to kind of add some protection I
[00:04:28] took them to the restroom. This man
[00:04:31] walks in,
[00:04:31] >> took who to the restroom?
[00:04:32] >> These ladies with me, the the other
[00:04:34] conservative activists ladies.
[00:04:37] >> Um, while we're in line, a man walks in,
[00:04:40] very clearly a man, you know, besides
[00:04:42] the pink hair, nothing.
[00:04:45] >> That's the That's the individual in the
[00:04:46] photograph.
[00:04:47] >> Yes.
[00:04:47] >> Okay.
[00:04:48] >> Um, we allowed him to go before us, do
[00:04:52] his business. He came out, uh, was
[00:04:55] washing his hands. I held the door open
[00:04:57] to the whole restroom. So, what's
[00:05:00] notable is like in that situation,
[00:05:02] everybody can see inside that space.
[00:05:04] There's you can't see the stalls, but
[00:05:05] you can see who's lined up and who's
[00:05:07] drying their hands. So, um it's not
[00:05:10] really a private area. Uh as he was
[00:05:13] leaving, I said, "Please use the
[00:05:15] restroom across the hall next time. This
[00:05:17] is not a men's space." And he said,
[00:05:19] "Well, I'm legally a woman." Um
[00:05:23] go back to the gallery. A friend of mine
[00:05:24] says, "Hey, did you hear that they there
[00:05:26] was a man in the restroom?" I'm like, I
[00:05:28] said, "Yeah, I was in there." He said,
[00:05:30] "Well, so and so put it on Facebook." He
[00:05:32] sent me the picture. I did a a tweet
[00:05:35] about it, next post, and it just went
[00:05:38] viral really quickly, which had never
[00:05:41] happened to me before. So, it was a very
[00:05:43] odd experience to be happening in real
[00:05:45] time.
[00:05:46] >> Um, one and a half million views,
[00:05:48] tweeted 15, like retweeted 1500 times.
[00:05:52] Um, and people were making comments,
[00:05:54] trans activists were making comments
[00:05:55] like, "I'm going to report you to the DA
[00:05:58] to DPS, tagging Capitol DPS." And within
[00:06:02] a few hours, a DPS lieutenant,
[00:06:04] Department of Public Safety Lieutenant
[00:06:06] came over and took me aside and said,
[00:06:08] "Hey, we need to talk to you about
[00:06:09] this." Um, they took Go ahead.
[00:06:11] >> Sorry. Sorry. Finished.
[00:06:13] >> They took me to a a holding office and
[00:06:16] asked me about the photo. I said I
[00:06:18] didn't take it. And that's pretty much
[00:06:20] where the conversation ended.
[00:06:22] >> Did you tell the individual to take the
[00:06:24] photo? Did you participate in or did
[00:06:28] they just do it without you?
[00:06:29] >> They did it. I didn't know when as far
[00:06:32] as I know that's settled constitutional
[00:06:33] law. Like if someone else takes a photo,
[00:06:35] you're allowed to publish it.
[00:06:36] >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's what they're
[00:06:39] trying to investigate me for is a state
[00:06:40] jail felony sex crime. So,
[00:06:44] >> for the publication of someone else's
[00:06:46] fault,
[00:06:46] >> transmitting uh a recording or a photo
[00:06:50] of somebody in a private space without
[00:06:53] their consent
[00:06:55] with the intent of um sexualizing a
[00:06:59] photo in some way, which clearly this is
[00:07:01] not
[00:07:02] >> some state law, and pardon me, I haven't
[00:07:04] looked into the particular law, but it
[00:07:06] seems to me a matter of federal law. Uh
[00:07:09] there's a case called Bart Nikki voper
[00:07:11] which I know about because of the FBI
[00:07:13] rate against me with the Ashley Biden
[00:07:14] diary that if somebody else breaks the
[00:07:16] even if even if the photographer broke
[00:07:19] the law your publication of it shouldn't
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[00:09:26] Well, and this man had already announced
[00:09:28] that he was a a candidate for Texas
[00:09:30] House. So, it's also in our mind
[00:09:33] political protected political speech
[00:09:35] because it's kind of a no no holds
[00:09:38] barred when it's a politician. You know,
[00:09:41] there's the I guess it was like Larry
[00:09:45] Flint
[00:09:46] >> um used to do a lot of satire about
[00:09:49] public figures. So, that kind of changes
[00:09:51] the game too. But um and plus it was
[00:09:54] retweeted by 1500 people. You know, I
[00:09:57] didn't take the photo. I published it.
[00:09:59] These people republished it by
[00:10:01] retweeting it. So, including trans
[00:10:03] activists, but none of them are being
[00:10:05] pursued.
[00:10:06] >> Do you know of any other cases like this
[00:10:09] where someone took a photograph in a
[00:10:11] bathroom of a transgender individual?
[00:10:14] >> Um the only one that I'm aware of is
[00:10:17] Pton McNab who is a female athlete. um
[00:10:20] in her college
[00:10:23] uh bathroom there was a man dressed as a
[00:10:26] woman. She took video of that person and
[00:10:29] told them to leave essentially and I
[00:10:31] think she was removed from her sorority.
[00:10:34] She was threatened with expulsion. Um
[00:10:37] but nothing happened to the man.
[00:10:38] >> No no criminal actions.
[00:10:40] >> So there's a lot to unpack here. In no
[00:10:43] particular order, the officer that
[00:10:45] confronted you, do you think he was just
[00:10:47] doing your job or do you think he agreed
[00:10:49] with the transgender movement
[00:10:51] activities?
[00:10:52] >> I think he was just doing his job. I've
[00:10:53] spoken with him subsequently and he's I
[00:10:56] wouldn't say that he's supportive, but
[00:10:58] he's been very communicative.
[00:11:00] >> Um, and if we could go team back to that
[00:11:03] fifth circuit court of appeals document
[00:11:06] from December 9th, 2025. So, this this
[00:11:09] got its way into federal court. Is that
[00:11:12] right?
[00:11:12] >> About a month after this happened, we
[00:11:14] sued.
[00:11:15] >> You sued as a plaintiff. You sued in the
[00:11:17] in the district court
[00:11:19] >> and then tell me about the journey
[00:11:22] >> from the time you sued, this is last
[00:11:24] month
[00:11:25] >> filed in the fifth circuit. How did that
[00:11:26] go?
[00:11:27] >> Um, we initially filed for an
[00:11:30] injunction. Um, but DA Garza said, you
[00:11:34] know, as long as this is pending
[00:11:36] litigation, we'll pause the criminal
[00:11:39] investigation. Well, in December 9th, in
[00:11:41] a two-1 opinion, the Fifth Circuit said,
[00:11:43] "No need to pause. Move forward." Um,
[00:11:46] this is
[00:11:47] >> move forward. Yeah.
[00:11:47] >> With the criminal investigation.
[00:11:49] >> Yes.
[00:11:49] >> Really?
[00:11:50] >> Yeah.
[00:11:51] >> So, this is this is the order uh from
[00:11:53] from the uh United States District Court
[00:11:56] for the Western District of Texas.
[00:11:57] >> Mhm.
[00:11:58] >> Um and they and they mentioned this
[00:12:00] penal code. Oh, here we go.
[00:12:02] >> Yep.
[00:12:02] >> Um we have the document if we want to
[00:12:04] throw that on the screen.
[00:12:06] Um,
[00:12:08] Evans team, this is penal code 1235. I
[00:12:10] want to pull that up. By the way, just
[00:12:12] do you know the penal code by I'll pull
[00:12:14] it up in a moment. But
[00:12:14] >> invasive visual recording.
[00:12:16] >> What is it?
[00:12:17] >> Invasive visual recording.
[00:12:18] >> Invasive visual recording.
[00:12:20] >> Yes. With the intent to invade
[00:12:21] somebody's privacy.
[00:12:23] >> I see.
[00:12:24] Um,
[00:12:26] do you think they have a point? Just
[00:12:28] like what if it wasn't a transgender
[00:12:29] individual? Is it what are you what is
[00:12:32] your argument about whether the person
[00:12:35] who took the photograph invaded privacy?
[00:12:38] >> Um I mean you can't see the man's face.
[00:12:41] >> Um it wasn't intended to invade his
[00:12:45] privacy. He's never been named publicly,
[00:12:47] at least not by me. The person that took
[00:12:49] the photograph has no idea who he is.
[00:12:53] Um, it was to make a political statement
[00:12:56] and just to make a a statement about
[00:12:58] biological reality, like you do not
[00:13:01] belong here. Please don't be in this
[00:13:03] space. Um, what's interesting is a
[00:13:07] couple of things have changed since May
[00:13:09] of 2023. This statute has changed where
[00:13:12] anybody who is convicted of this
[00:13:15] particular crime
[00:13:17] has to register as a sex offender. So,
[00:13:21] yeah.
[00:13:22] You know, I I in the weeks after this
[00:13:25] happened, my biggest fear was, do I am I
[00:13:28] going to be convicted and have to
[00:13:30] register as a sex offender, maybe lose
[00:13:32] my children as a result of that?
[00:13:34] >> You have to go to trial,
[00:13:35] >> right?
[00:13:36] >> When is that scheduled?
[00:13:38] >> Um, there has been no indictment that
[00:13:40] I'm aware of. I check the the warrant
[00:13:42] search database a few times a week to
[00:13:45] see if he's filed a warrant against me,
[00:13:46] and nothing has been filed so far.
[00:13:48] >> How long do they have? When's the
[00:13:49] statute of limitations expire? dismay.
[00:13:52] So, just a few.
[00:13:52] >> What do you think is going to happen?
[00:13:54] >> I mean, honestly, I think that he will
[00:13:56] just sit on it, but I'm not really
[00:13:58] willing to take that risk.
[00:14:00] >> It's one of those things where, and
[00:14:02] we're going to unpack this here over the
[00:14:04] next hour, but it seems to me, just
[00:14:06] having learned about this and, you know,
[00:14:09] and going through what I've been through
[00:14:10] that you probably will win as long as
[00:14:12] you don't give up.
[00:14:13] >> Right. Right.
[00:14:14] >> That's the bottom line. But to not the
[00:14:17] pun the process is the punishment.
[00:14:19] >> Yes. like we were saying. Yeah.
[00:14:21] >> And how have you handled that part of
[00:14:23] it?
[00:14:23] >> Um, it really is. You know, I've been
[00:14:26] asked many times, are you worried? Are
[00:14:28] you scared? Are you concerned?
[00:14:30] >> And I'm not at this point. It's
[00:14:32] >> because it's it's such a a small price
[00:14:36] to pay in the the bigger picture.
[00:14:38] >> I'm happy that things have changed in
[00:14:40] the our our state that in public
[00:14:42] buildings, men are no longer allowed to
[00:14:44] be in women's restrooms. Mhm.
[00:14:46] >> Um so this would not happen now or if it
[00:14:49] did there would be um consequences. Just
[00:14:52] a few days before the 21 decision, um
[00:14:55] Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton
[00:14:57] released um a tip line that he'd set up
[00:15:00] in response to the Texas Women's Privacy
[00:15:02] Act going into effect on December 4th um
[00:15:06] to notify his office if men are in
[00:15:09] women's spaces in public buildings. And
[00:15:11] he actually encouraged submitting photo
[00:15:14] evidence. So things have changed and if
[00:15:16] I can be a part of that or if I was a
[00:15:18] part of that then I'm more than happy
[00:15:21] that my story helped inform lawmakers
[00:15:24] that this ludicrous stuff was happening
[00:15:26] in Texas.
[00:15:27] >> It's pretty um
[00:15:29] tr you know a hard thing psychologically
[00:15:31] to go through this court process this
[00:15:34] criminal I mean it how has it I mean how
[00:15:36] must affect you in some way? Yeah. I
[00:15:38] mean, the biggest, like I said, the
[00:15:40] biggest fear I hear I had in the the
[00:15:42] short term was if I'm investigated,
[00:15:46] convicted, you know, state jail felony,
[00:15:49] you don't get out on good time. You just
[00:15:50] do your straight three years. And I I
[00:15:53] don't, you know, orange is not my color.
[00:15:56] Um I wouldn't look forward to that in
[00:15:58] any way, but um I'm confident in
[00:16:01] >> Well, it might turn you into a martyr if
[00:16:02] you did that. If you become a martyr,
[00:16:04] >> I think some of this would as well, I
[00:16:07] guess. I mean, I could I I would I
[00:16:10] wouldn't mind, you know, after the
[00:16:11] December 9th decision, I talked to my
[00:16:14] county sheriff and I said, "What's
[00:16:15] what's the process? If DA Garza files a
[00:16:19] warrant, are they going to come up here?
[00:16:21] Do they ask you to come to my house and
[00:16:24] pick me up?" And he said, "You can do a
[00:16:26] walk
[00:16:26] >> warrant for your arrest,
[00:16:27] >> right?" He said, "You know, you could
[00:16:30] arrange for a walkth through in
[00:16:31] Williamson County, take your picture,
[00:16:32] and go home." And so that's that's kind
[00:16:36] of my my short-term plan. Get my hair
[00:16:39] done, go take my picture.
[00:16:40] >> This really comes down to intent. Yeah,
[00:16:42] it and again, we're reading from the
[00:16:44] case here. Quote,
[00:16:45] >> this is the also in the fifth circuit,
[00:16:47] Penal Code 1235. We've looked it up
[00:16:49] here. Um, Penal Code 1235, the Texas law
[00:16:53] states that, and as you said, makes it a
[00:16:55] crime to secretly photograph, record,
[00:16:57] broadcast, or transmit or transmit.
[00:16:59] >> So,
[00:17:00] >> you did transmit it. So, I suppose
[00:17:02] that's part of the code whether you took
[00:17:03] the photograph or not. Visual images of
[00:17:06] another person's intimate areas or in
[00:17:08] private settings without their consent
[00:17:10] and with the intent to invade the
[00:17:13] privacy. Now, that's a key phrase here
[00:17:14] because was it your intent to invade
[00:17:17] their privacy?
[00:17:19] >> It wasn't even a private area. Okay.
[00:17:21] Like I said, I had the door held open.
[00:17:23] Nobody was complaining. I I laughed
[00:17:25] because USA Today covered the the Elon
[00:17:28] Musk involvement and today
[00:17:31] >> um uh a few weeks ago after they tweeted
[00:17:35] it out
[00:17:36] >> and the thumbnail photo for the article
[00:17:39] was the same bathroom full of trans
[00:17:42] rights activists sitting in that area.
[00:17:46] >> USA Today published that, but that's not
[00:17:48] a problem. They're all fully dressed.
[00:17:50] You can see their faces. This man, like
[00:17:53] I said, face obscured, fully dressed, at
[00:17:56] a sink, everybody can see him. This is
[00:17:58] not an area that in a women's restroom
[00:18:00] at least, you would anticipate anybody
[00:18:02] to undress, to do anything private, you
[00:18:07] know, it's it's just not considered a
[00:18:09] private area in my
[00:18:10] >> This is the uh statement from Global
[00:18:13] Affair. Have you talked to Elon
[00:18:14] directly?
[00:18:15] >> I have not.
[00:18:16] >> No,
[00:18:17] >> I have emailed uh a little bit with the
[00:18:20] attorneys. they reached out to my
[00:18:22] attorney.
[00:18:22] >> I mean, this week he's dealing with his
[00:18:24] baby mama and all the whole situation
[00:18:27] there. So, he would probably you
[00:18:28] probably should talk to him directly
[00:18:29] about this. I mean, listen, I'm I I I
[00:18:32] generally support your your your cause,
[00:18:33] especially with children. I don't I
[00:18:35] don't think that
[00:18:36] >> if you want to pardon my language, but
[00:18:37] if you want to chop your
[00:18:39] >> privates off and you're 25 years old,
[00:18:42] okay, that's one thing. But if you start
[00:18:43] doing it with children, that's another.
[00:18:45] But going I'm just I'm just kind of
[00:18:47] gonna be a legal nerd for a second. It
[00:18:49] seems like the problem is in Texas, a a
[00:18:52] bathroom is per se a private place
[00:18:53] according to the statute.
[00:18:55] >> So, uh, you know, if even if someone is
[00:18:59] clothed and fully clothed and just
[00:19:02] washing their hands, the law would treat
[00:19:04] a bathroom as a as a private place. The
[00:19:06] location itself carries significant
[00:19:08] legal weight and the bathroom is
[00:19:10] explicitly named in the statute. So, it
[00:19:12] comes down maybe to prosecutorial
[00:19:14] discretion whether this guy has the
[00:19:15] balls to bring you before a jury.
[00:19:18] >> Yeah. and uh he's he's not he's like
[00:19:22] many DAs in large blue urban areas. He
[00:19:26] doesn't necessarily prosecute criminals,
[00:19:29] violent criminals, but um I wouldn't put
[00:19:32] it past him to
[00:19:34] >> he doesn't go after violent. It goes
[00:19:36] back to prosecutorial discretion,
[00:19:37] >> right?
[00:19:38] >> And that kind of raises bigger issues,
[00:19:40] >> right? And um so they launched an
[00:19:43] investigation into you
[00:19:45] >> and tell us about the phone seizure
[00:19:48] situation.
[00:19:49] >> So when this happened on May 12th, 2023
[00:19:53] um when I was in the holding office with
[00:19:56] the DPS officers
[00:19:58] um well on my way down I called a couple
[00:20:00] of state reps who were on the floor and
[00:20:03] I said I need some help. Like I don't
[00:20:05] know what to do in this situation. One
[00:20:07] of them came off the floor. He's an
[00:20:08] attorney and you know he came into the
[00:20:11] room. He said, "Turn all your body cams
[00:20:13] off. We're no longer talking. He went
[00:20:15] out and spoke to the DPS lieutenant and
[00:20:17] came back and said, "They're telling me
[00:20:19] that you can leave, but your phone
[00:20:20] cannot." They believe that they had
[00:20:23] probable cause to seize my phone. So,
[00:20:25] turned it off and handed it over and
[00:20:29] still do not have that phone.
[00:20:32] >> They seized your phone. Do they have a
[00:20:33] warrant?
[00:20:34] >> No.
[00:20:34] >> No warrant?
[00:20:35] >> No.
[00:20:36] >> I'm not sure how the process is supposed
[00:20:37] to work. in the state of Texas. But
[00:20:40] >> are they supposed to have a warrant?
[00:20:41] >> I you know, in that situation, it was I
[00:20:45] I was out. I was in over my skis, right?
[00:20:48] I had not had any experience um of that
[00:20:52] type in my life. Do I want to get home
[00:20:54] to see my kids or do I want to um to
[00:20:58] hold on to my phone and and be stubborn
[00:21:02] about it? In retrospect, maybe I should
[00:21:04] have, but I wanted to be able to get
[00:21:07] home to see my children that night and
[00:21:08] not spend the night in jail or spend the
[00:21:11] night detained.
[00:21:12] >> I mean, are they trying to go through
[00:21:14] your phone to get contraband so they can
[00:21:16] embarrass you or find some not
[00:21:19] contraband, but you know, compromising
[00:21:21] information about how you op you know,
[00:21:24] your photos or your texts with friends
[00:21:26] or etc. That seems one possibility.
[00:21:28] >> Who knows? I mean, I I I wouldn't put it
[00:21:31] past anybody because it's in they DPS
[00:21:33] has said
[00:21:35] >> the next day it went to the Travis
[00:21:36] County District Attorney's office. So,
[00:21:38] it's in their possession. They do not
[00:21:40] have possession of it anymore. Um, and
[00:21:43] have communicated with him, you know,
[00:21:46] let's try to get it back to her and he
[00:21:48] will not.
[00:21:50] >> They they felt like they no longer had
[00:21:52] probable cause to keep it. and Travis
[00:21:56] County DA told them essentially, I don't
[00:21:58] care.
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[00:24:01] You know, imagining yourself
[00:24:05] getting a warrant for your arrest and
[00:24:06] you they'll probably give you bail or
[00:24:09] bond where you don't you're probably not
[00:24:10] going to spend time in jail. maybe be
[00:24:12] processed, but imagining yourself
[00:24:14] forward in that situation and you're
[00:24:17] you're headed to a trial under the
[00:24:18] statute and you're there's a jury. I
[00:24:20] don't know if it's nine people or 12
[00:24:22] people in Texas, but
[00:24:23] >> are you prepared to go through that if
[00:24:25] you need to?
[00:24:26] >> Yes.
[00:24:27] >> Does that scare you?
[00:24:29] >> Uh just the unknown part of it, like
[00:24:32] what I've been through civil litigation
[00:24:35] before. I've never been the subject of a
[00:24:37] criminal investigation or a trial. Um,
[00:24:41] it doesn't bring me any comfort that it
[00:24:43] would be in Travis County. Um, Travis
[00:24:45] County is the
[00:24:46] >> jury.
[00:24:46] >> Yeah.
[00:24:47] >> It's like mixed. It's like 6040
[00:24:49] Democrat. I'm assuming
[00:24:50] >> 7525.
[00:24:51] >> Really?
[00:24:52] >> Yes.
[00:24:53] >> And do you think that the political
[00:24:55] party of the jury would basically be
[00:24:57] dispositive of what they would how they
[00:24:59] would approach your innocence or guilt
[00:25:01] here? I think that they would
[00:25:05] I I think the potential is there that
[00:25:07] they wouldn't care whether my intent was
[00:25:09] to invade his privacy or not. They're
[00:25:11] going to say this is a trans woman who
[00:25:14] belongs in that space. He had a license
[00:25:17] that said he was a female. So that made
[00:25:19] him a female magically.
[00:25:21] >> What's the uh maximum punishment? Do you
[00:25:24] know?
[00:25:24] >> Three years.
[00:25:25] >> Three years in prison. Well, you would
[00:25:26] appeal that if you were found guilty. I
[00:25:28] would fight this as long I mean either
[00:25:30] way either through the the um free
[00:25:33] speech lawsuit or criminal whatever it
[00:25:36] is I am prepared to fight it as long as
[00:25:38] I can.
[00:25:40] >> And you the fifth circuit thing they
[00:25:41] ruled on the panel ruled on that. So
[00:25:43] where does your free speech lawsuit
[00:25:44] stand now?
[00:25:45] >> We've filed a petition to go on bonk. Um
[00:25:48] >> I don't think the two-1 opinion was
[00:25:51] necessarily reflective of the entire
[00:25:52] court which tends to be more
[00:25:54] conservative. And um how are you paying
[00:25:57] all these legal bills?
[00:25:58] >> I have a gift and go. Um
[00:26:00] >> what is that gives and go?
[00:26:02] >> Uh Michelle Wright's civil
[00:26:05] defense fund. I think
[00:26:06] >> we will put them on the screen here.
[00:26:07] >> That would be phenomenal.
[00:26:09] >> Michelle, say that again. What's the
[00:26:11] >> Michelle Evans I think it's civil rights
[00:26:13] defense.
[00:26:14] >> But I mean Yeah.
[00:26:15] >> And how much money have you raised so
[00:26:16] far? Order of magnitude.
[00:26:18] >> Um 8,000.
[00:26:19] >> Well, that's not going to pay for all
[00:26:20] these little bills. No, I have so I have
[00:26:22] a great attorney named Tony McDonald. Um
[00:26:25] Tony McDonald.
[00:26:26] >> You know Tony McDonald? Yes, I do.
[00:26:28] >> So, um super nerdy law lawyer that I
[00:26:32] just I I adore him.
[00:26:34] >> So, he is he's doing this because it's
[00:26:37] the right thing to do, but I feel he
[00:26:39] deserves to be compensated for what he's
[00:26:41] doing. It's been fairly quiet for the
[00:26:43] last two and a half years until this
[00:26:46] decision came or this ruling came. So I
[00:26:48] gave him some money initially, closed
[00:26:51] down the gifts and go and was just kind
[00:26:54] of not thinking much about this case and
[00:26:57] then that ruling came out on December
[00:27:00] 9th. So things have kind of heated up
[00:27:03] since.
[00:27:03] >> What's been the hardest part for you to
[00:27:05] deal with of all the things over the
[00:27:06] last three years? Was there a moment?
[00:27:08] Was there a breaking point? Was there a
[00:27:10] a challenging part of this process for
[00:27:12] you? The most challenging?
[00:27:15] Uh the thought of not seeing my
[00:27:18] children, the thought of them not having
[00:27:20] a mother either because she's behind
[00:27:22] bars or because she's suddenly a
[00:27:26] registered sex offender and you know
[00:27:28] somebody makes an argument that I
[00:27:30] shouldn't have custody of my own
[00:27:31] children.
[00:27:32] >> That's the pro that's the most um
[00:27:35] upsetting part. People came to my home,
[00:27:37] people published my address, you know,
[00:27:40] that was it is what it is. like a
[00:27:44] >> random people or news people?
[00:27:47] >> No, random people. Activists.
[00:27:49] people.
[00:27:50] >> Yeah, people.
[00:27:51] >> They're not They don't consider you a
[00:27:53] friend.
[00:27:54] >> They don't. Um my my former neighbor,
[00:27:58] they moved within the last five or six
[00:28:01] months. It was a
[00:28:05] a a poly amorous throple with a two
[00:28:10] transidentifying males. Um,
[00:28:13] >> I don't even know. That's that's a
[00:28:14] mouthful.
[00:28:15] >> It was a lot. And it was a lot to
[00:28:17] explain to my children when the the dad
[00:28:20] in this home right next door to us
[00:28:22] suddenly started walking around with
[00:28:25] fake breasts and short shorts and things
[00:28:27] like that. It's not something you want
[00:28:28] to explain to your,
[00:28:30] >> you know, nine-year-old son.
[00:28:32] >> Um,
[00:28:32] >> we didn't have those issues in the 90s.
[00:28:35] Not really.
[00:28:36] >> No, it was it was fairly underground if
[00:28:38] it happened at all. Um, it definitely
[00:28:40] was not paraded out in public and there
[00:28:43] there wasn't a civil document.
[00:28:45] >> They're 12, 14, and 18 now.
[00:28:48] >> So, they're coming of age for the most
[00:28:50] part.
[00:28:51] >> Yeah.
[00:28:52] >> Um, can we go to the clip of the phone
[00:28:54] of the phone seizure? Let's go back to
[00:28:55] the phone seizure
[00:28:58] section. Kind of relates to my
[00:29:00] situation. My phones were seized, but
[00:29:01] that was the FBI, not the
[00:29:03] >> not the Department of Public Safety with
[00:29:06] probable cause. Uh, go ahead and play
[00:29:09] the clip.
[00:29:09] >> A DPS lieutenant approached me in the um
[00:29:12] house gallery and asked me to come
[00:29:14] outside for a few questions. They
[00:29:16] ultimately took me to a holding office
[00:29:18] in the capital and uh illegally detained
[00:29:22] me and illegally seized my phone, which
[00:29:24] I still do not have. Um, the lieutenant
[00:29:26] that spoke to me said, "We received
[00:29:29] several reports about this photo that
[00:29:31] you took." And I said, "I didn't take
[00:29:32] the photo." And that was where the
[00:29:34] conversation ended. but he continued to,
[00:29:36] you know, escort me to the holding
[00:29:38] holding room. Um, but he said that the
[00:29:41] Travis County District Attorney had also
[00:29:43] received calls and had taken an interest
[00:29:45] in the case. So, without a search
[00:29:47] warrant, they seized my phone. They
[00:29:48] basically told me, "You can leave, but
[00:29:50] your phone cannot." So, I wasn't allowed
[00:29:52] to leave until I gave my phone up.
[00:29:56] >> Interesting. You weren't allowed to
[00:29:58] leave.
[00:30:00] That's fascinating. I mean, in my case,
[00:30:02] the FBI
[00:30:05] looked made me look at my phone and call
[00:30:07] and then they snatched it out of my
[00:30:08] hand. So
[00:30:09] >> Oh, wow.
[00:30:10] >> And then you've been on you've been on
[00:30:12] various that's that's the Sarah Gonzalez
[00:30:14] clip.
[00:30:14] >> Um, yeah.
[00:30:17] >> Yeah. Let's pull the redacted affidavit
[00:30:19] up from the FBI case. And this is I'm
[00:30:22] going to put it on the screen for the
[00:30:23] audience here.
[00:30:24] >> Very informative.
[00:30:25] >> Yeah. Probable cause justifying the
[00:30:27] search of the subjur. Isn't the probable
[00:30:29] cause in the Texas case shouldn't isn't
[00:30:33] that something that that you should be
[00:30:34] able to see? I guess maybe not until
[00:30:36] cases dropped.
[00:30:37] >> Yeah, I did a um a public information
[00:30:39] request to the Travis County DA's office
[00:30:42] in June of 2023. The response was we
[00:30:46] have information, but we can't provide
[00:30:48] that to you because it's an active
[00:30:50] investigation. Up until then, you know,
[00:30:53] those the weeks prior, they had said
[00:30:54] there is no investigation, but then they
[00:30:56] confirmed it in that communication.
[00:30:58] >> Well, the active investigation when is
[00:30:59] no longer active, you have a right to
[00:31:01] see that probable cause
[00:31:02] >> and it's still an active investigation
[00:31:04] >> until May.
[00:31:05] >> Yeah.
[00:31:06] >> Um, so we went over the Elon Musk uh
[00:31:09] reaction and uh um the first amendment
[00:31:14] protects Evans's speech. Fifth circuit,
[00:31:17] Evans is pursuing an appeal before the
[00:31:19] seven 17. That's an unbank.
[00:31:21] >> Uh can you explain to the audience what
[00:31:23] embank means?
[00:31:24] >> It means you get the entire panel of
[00:31:26] judges instead of just the three. Um the
[00:31:29] first step in the fifth circuit is to
[00:31:32] get the three judge panel.
[00:31:34] >> We we in I had a situation in the ninth
[00:31:37] circuit court of appeals where we
[00:31:39] >> friendly.
[00:31:39] >> What's that?
[00:31:40] >> It's not as friendly.
[00:31:41] >> Not as friendly, but more friendly than
[00:31:44] it's ever been.
[00:31:44] >> Okay.
[00:31:45] >> Uh we tried to overturn the Oregon
[00:31:48] recording law. We won and then they won
[00:31:51] and bonk. So it was reversed.
[00:31:53] >> Okay.
[00:31:54] >> The system always has a way of
[00:31:55] protecting itself.
[00:31:57] >> Yes.
[00:31:57] >> It's hard to go up against the system.
[00:32:00] >> It's an organism that will surround
[00:32:02] itself. Yeah.
[00:32:03] >> Yes. And and you're getting wrapped up
[00:32:05] in I'm very impressed you've been able
[00:32:07] to do all this with $8,000. Like that's
[00:32:10] perhaps the most impressive thing. I
[00:32:11] think you need to add like one, two,
[00:32:13] three, four, five, six zeros to that
[00:32:16] number.
[00:32:16] >> Yeah. I can't even imagine. I mean, the
[00:32:19] the Excal team reached out to us just
[00:32:22] before Christmas um out of the blue and
[00:32:25] said that they were interested in
[00:32:27] helping with the case and they've never
[00:32:29] they have not gone into detail about
[00:32:30] what help they want to provide, at least
[00:32:33] not directly to me. Um it was
[00:32:35] misrepresented in the media as though
[00:32:37] they're funding my case. There's been no
[00:32:39] discussion of financial support
[00:32:41] whatsoever. It's just they have an
[00:32:43] interest in the case and they want to
[00:32:45] help see it through.
[00:32:47] >> Um, they are listed. I think I saw DA
[00:32:50] Garza's response to our onbound petition
[00:32:53] and it included that legal team as u
[00:32:56] part of my representation.
[00:32:58] >> There's your give page.
[00:33:00] >> That's me.
[00:33:01] >> Um, $8,563
[00:33:04] which if the market rate for an attorney
[00:33:07] is $500, that's about 16 hours of legal
[00:33:10] work. Um, what's interesting too is that
[00:33:13] a lot of these attorneys, they they
[00:33:17] profit, not yours. You're you have an
[00:33:19] unbelievably exception to the rule, but
[00:33:22] attorneys tend to profit from
[00:33:24] >> the unjust persecution, prosecution.
[00:33:28] Everyone makes money.
[00:33:30] >> It's a lawyer picnic. Everybody gets pie
[00:33:32] except for the client. Do you ever feel
[00:33:34] that way? Uh, so the organization that I
[00:33:37] work for just concluded a jury trial and
[00:33:39] some civil litigation um where we were
[00:33:42] the plaintiffs and we I got to see our
[00:33:46] attorney not not Tony but a different
[00:33:48] attorney in action and I will say that
[00:33:52] some are very much worth
[00:33:55] what they charge. Um, seeing the
[00:33:57] defendants uh attorneys, I will say some
[00:34:00] of them are definitely not worth what
[00:34:02] they charge and the the jury verdict
[00:34:04] reflected that.
[00:34:07] >> Um, and you we have another picture of
[00:34:10] of the Senate Committee on State Affairs
[00:34:13] here.
[00:34:13] >> Oh.
[00:34:16] >> Oh, there's a video.
[00:34:17] >> Good morning. My name is Michelle Evans.
[00:34:18] I'm the chairman of the Williamson
[00:34:20] County Republican Party. speaking today
[00:34:22] in support of SB7. In 2021, at a high
[00:34:25] school in the suburbs of Austin, several
[00:34:27] teenage girls who were dressing out for
[00:34:29] band practice were confronted with a
[00:34:30] disturbing situation. A teenage boy who
[00:34:33] identified as gender fluid was in the
[00:34:35] female changing area with them. When one
[00:34:37] student reported this to her parents and
[00:34:39] the family confronted school
[00:34:40] administrators, the females were given
[00:34:42] the option of changing at home or in
[00:34:44] pop-up tents. Deference was given to the
[00:34:46] district or by the district to the male
[00:34:48] and his identity. In 2023, a male in his
[00:34:51] 40s who only recently had decided he
[00:34:54] identified as a woman felt entitled to
[00:34:56] use a women's restroom here in the
[00:34:57] Capitol. After women spoke out about the
[00:35:00] incident, they were treated like
[00:35:01] criminals. Recently, a post-operative
[00:35:03] transidentifying male was housed with
[00:35:06] women in a federal prison in Texas.
[00:35:08] Subsequently, an incarcerated female was
[00:35:10] treated for catastrophic injuries after
[00:35:12] he penetrated her with a pencil. The
[00:35:15] passage of HB2 229 was a significant
[00:35:18] step toward acknowledging what humans
[00:35:19] have known for millennia. But men who
[00:35:22] adopt a false identity do not care about
[00:35:24] statutory definitions. Further, they and
[00:35:26] their enablers ignore the fact that
[00:35:28] males make up the overwhelming majority
[00:35:30] of penetr perpetrators of violence,
[00:35:33] sexual or otherwise, and they ignore
[00:35:35] that males cannot simply identify out of
[00:35:38] these patterns of aggression. In fact,
[00:35:40] transidentifying males have been shown
[00:35:42] to have an even greater tendency toward
[00:35:44] sexual predation and violence. This is
[00:35:46] not to say that all of these delusional
[00:35:48] males are violent. But there's certainly
[00:35:50] no way for a teenage girl to know which
[00:35:52] transidentifying male is a friend and
[00:35:54] which is a foe. We mustn't treat these
[00:35:56] males any differently than we would any
[00:35:58] other male. Women and men are inherently
[00:36:01] and beautifully different. On the whole,
[00:36:03] women have distinct physical
[00:36:04] vulnerabilities as a result of the
[00:36:06] mutable characteristics. And as a
[00:36:08] society, we have rightfully respected
[00:36:10] that these distinctions are worthy of
[00:36:11] legal protections. It is only in recent
[00:36:14] years that we have seemed to have lost
[00:36:15] this respect. And as a result, women
[00:36:17] have lost their rights to safety,
[00:36:19] dignity, fairness, privacy, and consent
[00:36:21] simply because men are afraid of other
[00:36:23] men in men's spaces. That is not women's
[00:36:25] cross to bear. Thank you.
[00:36:27] >> And thanks. Now, what was was tell us
[00:36:29] about the circumstances of this
[00:36:31] testimony? Uh, well, you'll be happy to
[00:36:33] hear that the man sitting next to me was
[00:36:35] the first
[00:36:37] Mr. Corpus Christi bear. So, that was
[00:36:39] exciting. But,
[00:36:40] >> a what? A bear?
[00:36:43] >> A big hairy gay man. Um,
[00:36:46] >> not a trans, but just just gay.
[00:36:48] >> Yeah. So, this was the Senate hearing,
[00:36:51] uh, committee hearing on SB7, the Texas
[00:36:53] Women's Privacy Act. Um that day they
[00:36:57] had a bunch of trans rights activists
[00:36:59] come and scream things from the gallery
[00:37:02] when we were testifying. Um and I was
[00:37:05] just using my story and other stories
[00:37:07] that I was privy to to advocate for the
[00:37:11] passage of that and it did pass, thank
[00:37:13] God.
[00:37:14] >> So what got you into this issue?
[00:37:17] um the story that I shared at the
[00:37:19] beginning of that testimony of the girls
[00:37:21] at Round Rock High School who were told
[00:37:24] that they needed to go home to change
[00:37:27] because of a a gender fluid male that
[00:37:29] was using their space. They didn't um
[00:37:32] ask the the parents went to
[00:37:35] administration and said why doesn't he
[00:37:36] just use the gender neutral single stall
[00:37:39] to change and the school ultimately said
[00:37:42] it's his parents think that that's
[00:37:45] discriminatory. So, we are allowing him
[00:37:47] to use the girls space. If the girls
[00:37:49] have a problem with that, they need to
[00:37:51] go home to change, they can use a pop-up
[00:37:53] tent or they can all share the single
[00:37:55] use bathroom.
[00:37:57] >> Yeah, we have another clip. Uh, let's
[00:37:58] pull the the other clip of you speaking
[00:38:00] with Sarah Gonzalez.
[00:38:01] >> Please explain just kind of from start
[00:38:05] to finish what is going on. So myself
[00:38:07] and a a few other well dozens of other
[00:38:10] activists arrived at the Capitol early
[00:38:12] in the morning of May 12th to watch
[00:38:14] history be made and see SB14 voted into
[00:38:17] law.
[00:38:18] >> Um while we were there, I was escorting
[00:38:21] older women to the bathroom because they
[00:38:24] felt uncomfortable going. They knew that
[00:38:25] there was a possibility that men would
[00:38:27] be there and in fact
[00:38:28] >> which is in Texas in Texas
[00:38:31] >> and at the capital where laws are made
[00:38:33] and should be upheld. But we went into
[00:38:36] the bathroom. There was probably six or
[00:38:38] seven women with me. And lo and behold,
[00:38:42] a man came in, used the stall, and when
[00:38:45] he came out, you know, while he was in
[00:38:48] there, I told people very quietly,
[00:38:49] "There's a man here so that they would
[00:38:51] know, you know, if they're not
[00:38:52] comfortable with that, that they would
[00:38:53] wait." He came out, washed his hands. I
[00:38:57] went and opened the door, the entry door
[00:38:59] for the bathroom, and held it open until
[00:39:01] he was done. And then as he was exiting,
[00:39:03] I said, "Next time you use the bathroom
[00:39:05] across the hall, that's the men's
[00:39:06] bathroom. Do not come back in here." And
[00:39:09] he looked at me and said, "Well,
[00:39:10] legally, I'm a woman." Which whatever
[00:39:13] that means. But um and I said, "That
[00:39:15] doesn't matter that this is not your
[00:39:17] bathroom. This is a woman's space." Um
[00:39:20] and then when I returned to the gallery,
[00:39:22] a friend of mine in there said, "Oh
[00:39:24] yeah, so and so posted it on Facebook
[00:39:27] already." And I said, "Okay, go ahead
[00:39:28] and send me the picture." So he did. I
[00:39:31] received the picture basically thirdand
[00:39:32] not knowing that a picture was taken in
[00:39:34] there and tweeted it out and said
[00:39:36] basically this is not probably not going
[00:39:38] to be the last time I have to tell a man
[00:39:39] to not use the women's bathroom at the
[00:39:41] cap today. There are several school
[00:39:44] field trips, elementary school field
[00:39:47] trips at the cap at the time with young
[00:39:49] girls. You never know who you're going
[00:39:50] to be in the bathroom with. Um it went
[00:39:53] viral and about eight hours later a DPS
[00:39:58] lieutenant approached me in the um house
[00:40:00] gallery and asked me to come outside for
[00:40:02] a few questions. They ultimately took me
[00:40:04] to a holding office.
[00:40:06] >> Yeah. I mean I kind of going through the
[00:40:07] same stuff. By the way, did you see the
[00:40:09] uh the just did you hear the Justice
[00:40:10] Alto Supreme Court Alto viral moment uh
[00:40:15] just the other day when he pressed the
[00:40:17] ACLU lawyer on regarding the laws? the
[00:40:20] definition of van. I I I heard it. Yes.
[00:40:23] >> It's kind of like reminds me of like
[00:40:24] double think in George Orwell's 1984. I
[00:40:28] don't know if the team you can you can
[00:40:29] pull that audio clip of from X, but
[00:40:32] while they're doing that, what like why
[00:40:37] is this happening?
[00:40:39] I know it's like a very meta
[00:40:41] >> Yeah.
[00:40:41] >> foundational question, but
[00:40:43] >> what's going on in society? I mean, we
[00:40:46] could go down the rabbit trail of, you
[00:40:48] know,
[00:40:49] >> what's the 60-second version in from
[00:40:51] your perspective? There is this
[00:40:55] I mean we live in a society that's me me
[00:40:58] and and everybody wants their special
[00:40:59] rights and it's you know kind of this um
[00:41:02] Olympics of who's the most
[00:41:06] um marginalized the intersectionality of
[00:41:09] all of these different identities and
[00:41:10] whatnot but ultimately it's men who want
[00:41:14] to invade women's everything. you know,
[00:41:18] uh, one of the female athletes that was
[00:41:21] in DC this week for the Scotas case was
[00:41:25] saying, you know, this if men are
[00:41:27] allowed to come into our spaces, into
[00:41:29] our sports, there is no longer a female
[00:41:32] category. There's going to be men male
[00:41:34] category on both sides, right?
[00:41:36] >> There won't there won't be a male
[00:41:38] category. And nobody, for some reason,
[00:41:41] it just is not being absorbed by people
[00:41:43] on the left, these ideologues who will
[00:41:46] live and die by feelings instead of, you
[00:41:51] know, facts and and I just
[00:41:55] it's this circular logic. What defines
[00:41:58] how do you define a man woman or what is
[00:41:59] a woman?
[00:42:00] >> That seems to be a losing issue for
[00:42:01] them. Like if this is the the the hill
[00:42:03] that they die on, if this is the hill
[00:42:05] that district attorney Jose Garza dies
[00:42:08] on,
[00:42:10] I it seems like he's going to lose that
[00:42:13] power struggle. I mean, as so goes the
[00:42:16] country,
[00:42:16] >> God willing, but they are so dug in in
[00:42:20] places like Austin, and it's really I
[00:42:23] mean, there's a bit of Austin in my
[00:42:25] county, so we we see a little bit of it.
[00:42:27] It's a not a very conservative area, but
[00:42:31] it's a little more conservative than the
[00:42:33] center of Austin. Um, but they're they
[00:42:38] cannot seem to dig themselves out of
[00:42:40] this hole and it's they they perpetuate
[00:42:43] it. He gets reelected easily.
[00:42:47] Um even though there's an increase in
[00:42:50] crime, there is increase in homelessness
[00:42:53] on the streets, he's not um he's not
[00:42:56] prosecuting violent criminals, he's
[00:42:58] going after law enforcement for the
[00:43:00] summer of love and their response. Um so
[00:43:04] he's he's still considered fair well
[00:43:07] fairly popular enough to retain a seat.
[00:43:10] >> We have that clip from Justice Alto.
[00:43:11] Let's pull that up. This is from the
[00:43:13] United States.
[00:43:13] >> Yes, your honor. If it does that, then
[00:43:16] is it not necessary for there to be for
[00:43:19] equal protection purposes, if that is
[00:43:21] challenged under the equal protection
[00:43:23] clause, uh an understanding of what it
[00:43:26] means to be a boy or a girl or a man or
[00:43:29] a woman?
[00:43:30] >> Yes, your honor.
[00:43:30] >> And what is that definition for equal
[00:43:33] protection purposes? What does what does
[00:43:35] it mean to be a boy or a girl or a man
[00:43:37] or a woman?
[00:43:38] >> Sorry, I misunderstood your question. I
[00:43:40] think that the underlying enactment,
[00:43:41] whatever it was, the policy, the law,
[00:43:43] the would have to we'd have to have an
[00:43:44] understanding of how the state or the
[00:43:46] government was dis understanding that
[00:43:48] term to figure out whether or not
[00:43:50] someone was excluded. We do not have a
[00:43:52] definition for the court. And we don't
[00:43:53] take issue with the we're not disputing
[00:43:56] the definition here. What we're saying
[00:43:57] is that the way it applies in practice
[00:43:59] is to exclude birthex males
[00:44:01] categorically from women's teams and
[00:44:03] that there's a subset of those birthex
[00:44:04] males where it doesn't make sense to do
[00:44:06] so according to the state's own
[00:44:08] interest. Well, how can you how can a
[00:44:11] court determine whether there's
[00:44:13] discrimination on the basis of sex
[00:44:16] without knowing what sex means for equal
[00:44:18] protection purposes?
[00:44:20] >> I think here we just notice we we we
[00:44:22] basically know that the that they've
[00:44:25] identified pursuant to their own
[00:44:26] statute, Lindsay qualifies as a birthex
[00:44:29] male and she's being excluded
[00:44:30] categorically from the women's teams as
[00:44:32] the statute. So, we're taking the
[00:44:34] statute's definitions as we find them
[00:44:36] and we don't dispute them.
[00:44:38] Yeah, that's that's um your reaction to
[00:44:40] that. Listening to that again,
[00:44:42] >> that gives me a headache. I just I I'm
[00:44:45] trying to follow along with her logic.
[00:44:48] And you know, first of all, to to use
[00:44:51] the term she to refer to a man in a or a
[00:44:55] boy in a court of law, I think is just a
[00:44:58] travesty. I mean, in any place like we
[00:45:02] should expect a court of law to be based
[00:45:04] in truth and reality. That's you're
[00:45:07] always looking you're seeking objective
[00:45:09] truth in a court of law of law.
[00:45:11] >> Yeah.
[00:45:12] >> Yeah. All all you know it's supposed to
[00:45:14] be logical and rational. But
[00:45:15] >> yeah, but Judge Amy Coney Barrett even
[00:45:18] adopted their language referring to this
[00:45:21] boy as a trans girl.
[00:45:22] >> How did she do that?
[00:45:23] >> She said um what she was asking some
[00:45:26] question about, you know, what do we do
[00:45:28] about these trans girls? Like we don't
[00:45:31] do anything because they're boys.
[00:45:32] >> Why do you think she did that?
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[00:47:35] >> I don't I mean there's there's terms
[00:47:37] going around toxic empathy, suicidal
[00:47:39] empathy.
[00:47:39] >> Suicidal empathy. I've heard that one.
[00:47:41] >> Yeah. Gad, sad, and toxic empathy.
[00:47:42] >> I've heard that I've heard that recent.
[00:47:43] I've never heard suicidal empathy until
[00:47:45] recently. I don't know if it's a new
[00:47:46] term.
[00:47:46] >> It's a book that's coming out.
[00:47:48] >> Is it?
[00:47:48] >> Yeah.
[00:47:49] >> It's um it's a uh it it it kind of
[00:47:54] reminds me of the old adage about like
[00:47:56] white guilt. that kind of concept.
[00:47:58] >> This is the passage from George Orwell's
[00:48:00] 1984. I I quote it religiously. I
[00:48:03] recommend that everyone re reread this
[00:48:05] book every single year. If you don't
[00:48:08] like reading, listen to it. By the way,
[00:48:09] I was born in the year 1984.
[00:48:11] >> Oh,
[00:48:11] >> that's ironic. Put up on the screen.
[00:48:13] Double think. Double think means the
[00:48:16] power of holding two contradictory
[00:48:18] beliefs in one's mind simultaneously and
[00:48:20] accepting both of them.
[00:48:22] >> That seems like it seems like the ACLU
[00:48:25] lawyer was involved in that. Yeah.
[00:48:27] >> Deal.
[00:48:27] >> And I've got mixed views on the ACLU
[00:48:29] because they defended me in the amicus
[00:48:30] brief with the FBI raid.
[00:48:33] >> So,
[00:48:33] >> I have a feeling they're not going to
[00:48:34] defend me.
[00:48:36] >> Probably. Well, it your your case
[00:48:38] involves kind of two competing
[00:48:41] interests, which is the right to privacy
[00:48:42] and the first amendment,
[00:48:44] >> which is something that's fundamental to
[00:48:46] what I do. That's why it's fascinating
[00:48:48] to me. But
[00:48:49] >> yeah,
[00:48:49] >> that's an interesting, you know, looking
[00:48:51] at it looking at it not through the lens
[00:48:52] of like the trans issue just just right
[00:48:55] to privacy.
[00:48:56] >> Like let me let me pose a hypothetical
[00:48:58] to you.
[00:48:59] >> If it wasn't a picture of like a trans a
[00:49:02] it was just a picture of a guy,
[00:49:05] you know, in his baseball cap washing
[00:49:06] his hands.
[00:49:08] What does the law do in that situation?
[00:49:11] >> Travis County Da Garza, what does he do?
[00:49:13] >> What does the the law do? cuz cuz we are
[00:49:16] so and it's so unfortunate that we have
[00:49:19] to look at the world through who's in
[00:49:21] charge, who appointed the judge.
[00:49:23] >> Yeah.
[00:49:23] >> And and we've kind of resigned oursel.
[00:49:25] That's just the way it is. But
[00:49:28] >> let's assume for a moment that it was an
[00:49:30] it was an absolute neutral judge,
[00:49:33] >> right?
[00:49:34] >> And an absolute fair, honest,
[00:49:38] nonpartisan district attorney. And let's
[00:49:41] just call them Jones. Mhm.
[00:49:42] >> Jones took a photograph of a guy washing
[00:49:45] his hands with his trucker hat in the in
[00:49:48] in the Was it a men's restroom or a
[00:49:50] women's restaurant?
[00:49:51] >> It was in a women's restaurant.
[00:49:52] >> Women's restroom. Okay. And it was a
[00:49:53] dude.
[00:49:54] >> Yeah.
[00:49:54] >> Okay.
[00:49:55] >> Well, it was a dude.
[00:49:56] >> That kind of Well, that's kind of like a
[00:49:57] weird dynamic because the hypothetical
[00:49:59] have to be um
[00:50:00] >> Well, your it was a women's restroom.
[00:50:03] >> Yeah. Your hypothetical is that it's a
[00:50:04] man that's not pretending to be a woman.
[00:50:06] >> Let's let me change my my my mistake.
[00:50:09] Let me change the hypothetical. Let's
[00:50:10] say a man
[00:50:12] I'm feel like I'm in law school. Let's
[00:50:14] say a man by accident, not through he
[00:50:17] didn't intend to, but a guy in a trucker
[00:50:19] hat didn't look at the sign and was
[00:50:21] washing his hands in a women's restroom
[00:50:23] >> and a photo was taken of them
[00:50:27] under the Texas statute. Is that a
[00:50:29] crime?
[00:50:30] >> Well, we go back to the intent part of
[00:50:32] that the the statute, right? My intent
[00:50:34] my intent was never to invade anyone's
[00:50:36] privacy. And my the the hill I'm willing
[00:50:40] to die on here is that does his consent
[00:50:43] matter more than ours? In a women's
[00:50:45] space, does a man's consent matter more
[00:50:48] than our consent? Because at the moment
[00:50:49] that he entered our space, he was
[00:50:52] violating the consent of every woman in
[00:50:54] that in that room.
[00:50:56] >> Even if one woman amongst us consented,
[00:50:59] she does not get to consent for all of
[00:51:00] us. So,
[00:51:03] and and to kind of defend the woman that
[00:51:07] took that photo, she thought that she
[00:51:10] was documenting a crime.
[00:51:12] >> Is she been indicted or warranted?
[00:51:14] >> I have not named her.
[00:51:15] >> Not just you, not her.
[00:51:16] >> I I haven't named her. So, no.
[00:51:18] >> You have not named her. So, she's a
[00:51:19] she's an anonymous source at this point.
[00:51:21] >> Yes.
[00:51:22] >> And and if they compel you to testify at
[00:51:25] trial to name her, what will you do?
[00:51:26] >> No.
[00:51:28] >> You won't answer.
[00:51:29] >> No. If the judge orders you under
[00:51:32] contempt of court to name her, what will
[00:51:33] you do?
[00:51:33] >> I won't name her.
[00:51:35] >> You will not name her?
[00:51:36] >> No.
[00:51:37] >> Well, at the federal level, the US
[00:51:39] Marshalss will come and take you away,
[00:51:40] but I guess you'd be held in contempt of
[00:51:42] court. You might go to jail.
[00:51:43] >> It'll be one hell of a mug shot.
[00:51:46] >> You might have to outdo Trump.
[00:51:48] >> I I would do my best. I don't think I
[00:51:51] have the I don't think that's a good
[00:51:53] angle for me, but the lighting is a
[00:51:55] little weird. I'm sure
[00:51:57] >> I I just don't I don't think that she
[00:51:59] deserves to go through course
[00:52:01] >> what I'm being put through.
[00:52:02] >> You would be very brave indeed if you
[00:52:05] went through with that if it comes to
[00:52:07] that. But I I I guess also what I see in
[00:52:10] you is this willingness.
[00:52:12] >> You you you've resigned yourself to do
[00:52:16] eventually what you're going to have to
[00:52:18] do.
[00:52:18] >> Yeah. whereas most humans will will do
[00:52:21] anything to avoid being punished by the
[00:52:24] state and and and you're you're not
[00:52:26] built that way. That's why you're on the
[00:52:27] show. That's why we brought you here.
[00:52:29] >> This is a show for exceptional humans.
[00:52:31] Um and your price does seem to be your
[00:52:34] life.
[00:52:35] >> I got a couple questions. Number one,
[00:52:36] you mentioned that you were afraid of
[00:52:38] not seeing your kids. I mean, in that
[00:52:39] situation, that would h that would come
[00:52:40] to pass,
[00:52:41] >> right?
[00:52:42] >> So, what would you do with your
[00:52:43] children?
[00:52:45] >> Take care of your children.
[00:52:47] >> I think
[00:52:49] I've had some very surface level
[00:52:51] discussions with my kids about what's
[00:52:53] going on. Um,
[00:52:55] they don't really, you know, they're
[00:52:57] they're teenagersish and so they're not
[00:53:01] really absorbing the long-term impact
[00:53:03] right now. They're just like, "Oh my
[00:53:04] god, Elon Musk, I want a Tesla." Um,
[00:53:07] >> I want a Tesla.
[00:53:10] >> Well, maybe you maybe you'll get one.
[00:53:11] >> Yeah. I'm not, you know, I'm just happy.
[00:53:14] No, I'm just happy to have the the legal
[00:53:16] support, but
[00:53:18] >> um
[00:53:20] >> I think
[00:53:22] it's it's this this term keeps popping
[00:53:25] up in my head because I've been I'm
[00:53:28] going down a nerd hole, but reading this
[00:53:31] book about how the Stoics um influenced
[00:53:33] our founding fathers and John Quincy
[00:53:36] Adams like his motto was for future
[00:53:38] generations. So that's what I keep in
[00:53:42] the back of my head is that this is not
[00:53:44] about me. This is not about the woman
[00:53:46] that took the photo. It's not about even
[00:53:48] the man who was in the photo. This is
[00:53:51] about
[00:53:52] um creating a future that I'm
[00:53:55] comfortable my with my kids living in.
[00:53:57] And if we'd been if we'd continued down
[00:54:00] the path that we were on in 2023 and we
[00:54:03] hadn't passed the law that um outlawed
[00:54:07] gender modification surgeries and
[00:54:09] medications, if we hadn't passed the
[00:54:12] Texas Women's Privacy Acts, if we hadn't
[00:54:15] passed a lot of the stuff that we've
[00:54:16] passed in recent years, then what kind
[00:54:19] of future am I leaving for my kids if I
[00:54:20] just sit back and do nothing?
[00:54:23] >> So,
[00:54:23] >> what where did you inherit that virtue
[00:54:26] from?
[00:54:28] Uh, I have a very stubborn father and
[00:54:33] uh, a mom.
[00:54:36] I remember when I was a child, my
[00:54:37] parents would come home and be like,
[00:54:39] "Oh, this guy snatched a a purse from a
[00:54:43] woman that was on the street in front of
[00:54:44] us and we just went running after him or
[00:54:46] we saw this guy run a stop sign, so we
[00:54:50] followed him all the way home or
[00:54:51] whatever." Mhm.
[00:54:52] >> So, slightly vigilante mindset for them,
[00:54:55] but they just they're people who believe
[00:54:58] in doing the right thing at all times.
[00:55:00] >> And where are your parents from
[00:55:02] originally?
[00:55:02] >> Um, they're a Texan born and bred.
[00:55:05] >> Texan. And are they still alive?
[00:55:07] >> Yes.
[00:55:07] >> And what do they think about what you're
[00:55:09] going through?
[00:55:10] >> Um, you know, I need to ask my mom if
[00:55:12] she still has the text message that I
[00:55:13] sent her, my dad, the night that DPS
[00:55:17] took me into that holding office. I want
[00:55:18] to see what that exchange was. I
[00:55:20] obviously can't see it because I don't
[00:55:22] have that phone, but um they're h not I
[00:55:27] happy for me is not the term to use.
[00:55:30] Proud I guess in many ways. Um they're
[00:55:34] probably more fearful than I am about
[00:55:35] the the outcome.
[00:55:37] >> Um but they have tremendous values.
[00:55:42] They're very grounded. Um and they raise
[00:55:45] me well. I think
[00:55:47] >> they it's been said that a parent is
[00:55:49] it's harder for them to endure this if
[00:55:52] it's their child going through it than
[00:55:54] if they were going through it. When my
[00:55:56] parents saw me go through things, it was
[00:55:57] actually harder on them.
[00:55:59] >> Yeah.
[00:56:00] >> than it was on me, which struck me as a
[00:56:02] little bit counterintuitive because I'm
[00:56:04] a grown man.
[00:56:05] >> Yeah.
[00:56:05] >> But you're always going to be their
[00:56:07] >> their baby,
[00:56:07] >> their daughter, their baby.
[00:56:09] >> So, it may be harder in in your case on
[00:56:11] them that it sounds to me just observing
[00:56:14] you.
[00:56:15] >> Yeah. they might take it more difficult
[00:56:16] than you do.
[00:56:17] >> You know, my mom when the the Elon stuff
[00:56:20] came out um and it started to get more
[00:56:22] media attention again, she was asking
[00:56:24] me, "Do you have security at your home?"
[00:56:27] And I mean, my husband has his own
[00:56:32] pieces of security at home. So, I'm not
[00:56:34] super worried about that. But we I have
[00:56:36] done events in Austin um counterprotest
[00:56:40] to pride and things like that where I do
[00:56:41] have to hire private security.
[00:56:44] >> Um not just for me but for the other
[00:56:46] women that come I have a responsibility
[00:56:48] to people that come to these events to
[00:56:50] keep them safe.
[00:56:52] >> Um but I you know in those high-profile
[00:56:55] situations I'll have a one-on-one.
[00:56:58] Do you are you concerned more with your
[00:57:00] physical
[00:57:02] your physical safety or your or the
[00:57:05] legal situation? Does one of those rank
[00:57:07] as more concerning to you?
[00:57:09] >> Physical safety.
[00:57:10] >> Physical is more concerning to you?
[00:57:11] >> Yeah, absolutely.
[00:57:12] >> Um, and how do you a lot a lot of people
[00:57:16] particularly after Charlie Kirk's death,
[00:57:18] >> they they talk about they they say this
[00:57:20] to me privately. They go, "Oh, well, I
[00:57:22] don't want to speak up because look what
[00:57:23] they did to Charlie Kirk." kind of goes
[00:57:25] back to what happened in Dallas in 1963.
[00:57:27] If they can kill JFK, they can kill,
[00:57:30] right?
[00:57:30] >> You know, a doctor that saw the bullet
[00:57:32] wound. There's this sort of private
[00:57:34] confession
[00:57:36] now, they might kill me if I speak up.
[00:57:40] >> So, how do you reconcile that? I mean,
[00:57:42] does it go back to the Stoics and John
[00:57:44] Quincy Adams for you or what is what's
[00:57:46] your reconciliation in your own mind
[00:57:48] about that? Um, I mean this things were
[00:57:51] happening on that scale for me before
[00:57:54] what happened with Charlie Kirk. And so
[00:57:57] it didn't it it actually made me more
[00:58:00] comfortable with the way that I choose
[00:58:03] to live my life and to live it boldly
[00:58:05] and to live it um unashamed of what I
[00:58:11] think and what I believe to be right and
[00:58:13] true. Um, a few months I think four
[00:58:16] months after
[00:58:18] this incident in 2023. I was baptized
[00:58:23] and I cannot communicate to you how
[00:58:27] freeing that is that I don't worry about
[00:58:29] the outcome of things nearly as much as
[00:58:31] I used to. There's not nearly as much
[00:58:33] anxiety.
[00:58:34] >> Do you do you attribute that to the
[00:58:36] baptism?
[00:58:36] >> Uh yes. And just leaning into my faith
[00:58:38] and and
[00:58:39] >> and the baptism was be was as a result
[00:58:42] of this circumstance. No, I I'd started
[00:58:45] attending uh church again a few years
[00:58:48] before that. Um I was raised Christian,
[00:58:52] non-denominational, you know, we went to
[00:58:53] church irregularly kind of. Um my
[00:58:58] husband grew up Lutheran, was very um
[00:59:01] committed to finding a church home for
[00:59:03] us. And once we found some place that
[00:59:07] that fit for our family, it was just
[00:59:12] um it was just impressed upon my heart
[00:59:15] really strongly to continue to do what
[00:59:17] I'm doing, but um to do it without
[00:59:21] nearly as much anxiety as I would have
[00:59:23] before.
[00:59:25] >> And speaking of your husband, to the
[00:59:26] extent you're comfortable saying, what
[00:59:28] how does he approach all this?
[00:59:31] Um,
[00:59:34] I think he just wakes up every morning
[00:59:36] thinking like what's going to happen
[00:59:38] today kind of thing. You know, he's
[00:59:40] happy to be in the background and
[00:59:42] support everything that I do.
[00:59:44] >> Um, like you said at the outset, I'm the
[00:59:46] the county chair in my Republican party
[00:59:49] in my county. He's a precinct chair, so
[00:59:51] he sees a lot of the things that I do
[00:59:53] and he's happy that somebody has the
[00:59:58] balls to do it. your husband is happy
[00:59:59] that someone has the balls to do it
[01:00:02] >> because he would just, you know, he's he
[01:00:04] doesn't know how to
[01:00:05] >> What What does he do for a living?
[01:00:07] >> He works for a John Deere um rental
[01:00:09] company.
[01:00:10] >> It's a very Texan thing, I guess.
[01:00:11] >> Yeah, he when I met him, he was a
[01:00:13] semi-driver
[01:00:15] >> and a marine reservist and he switched
[01:00:18] to the office so I could be more active
[01:00:20] in politics.
[01:00:21] >> What's the most frequently asked
[01:00:22] question you've gotten from people, from
[01:00:24] the public, from going online? What do
[01:00:26] people ask you the most?
[01:00:29] >> Uh, if I'm scared.
[01:00:31] >> If you're scared.
[01:00:32] >> Yeah,
[01:00:32] >> because they're scared probably.
[01:00:34] >> Right. It's
[01:00:35] >> interesting.
[01:00:35] >> Or they would be if if they were put in
[01:00:37] the situation.
[01:00:38] >> I'm not sure. And I'm not I don't think
[01:00:41] that like I don't think I'm an
[01:00:43] exceptional human being. I just have a
[01:00:45] really loud mouth and
[01:00:47] >> um my effort bucket is empty at this
[01:00:50] age. Um, and I just really I I strongly
[01:00:55] feel like my daughter's future depends
[01:00:59] on people like me doing the smallest
[01:01:03] things.
[01:01:04] >> You know, I have a friend that lives in
[01:01:06] Mexico
[01:01:07] uh fled from Canada, but she was banned
[01:01:10] from Twitter for like four or five years
[01:01:12] for just saying men can't be women,
[01:01:14] though. And it sparked in her um this
[01:01:19] need to continue along that path. I mean
[01:01:22] just being banned for saying a sentence.
[01:01:25] >> Um switched up her entire value set. She
[01:01:29] was raised in a socialist household. She
[01:01:32] but now I think she's a dual citizen.
[01:01:35] She told me in 2024 that she was going
[01:01:37] to go to you know America just so that
[01:01:40] she could vote for Trump.
[01:01:43] >> You you have any regrets? Would you do
[01:01:44] it again?
[01:01:46] >> Oh, absolutely.
[01:01:46] >> Absolutely.
[01:01:47] >> Yeah.
[01:01:48] >> Yeah. That's another special quality
[01:01:50] within you. And maybe it's not that
[01:01:52] you're extraordinary, but you're you're
[01:01:54] ordinary. You're the ordinary man, so to
[01:01:56] speak, that you're willing to do the
[01:01:59] common sense thing. Uh but no regrets.
[01:02:03] Do it again. Um
[01:02:05] >> yeah. I mean I mean
[01:02:06] >> I mean I don't know. I mean it's January
[01:02:09] 15th. It's you said it's May is the
[01:02:10] statute of limitations. I don't know. I
[01:02:12] mean, if I was a betting man, I I I
[01:02:14] doubt he's going to do anything.
[01:02:16] >> I doubt it as well. Um, but like I said,
[01:02:19] you never know.
[01:02:20] >> You never know.
[01:02:20] >> So, better it's a a sword of damicles.
[01:02:23] The sword of Damocles is that blade that
[01:02:25] hangs over I don't know if you can throw
[01:02:26] an image on Google image.
[01:02:28] >> It It hangs over your head and you live
[01:02:31] with that.
[01:02:31] >> Yeah.
[01:02:32] >> And and it can fall at any moment. The
[01:02:35] phrase I use is it loomed over me. But
[01:02:37] that's that's
[01:02:39] the ancients called the sword of
[01:02:40] Damocles.
[01:02:41] >> Yeah.
[01:02:41] >> And the FBI thing for me it was about
[01:02:44] four I think September 2021 to
[01:02:50] >> February 25. So four and a half years
[01:02:53] sort of damicles and you learn to live
[01:02:56] with it.
[01:02:56] >> Yeah.
[01:02:56] >> You just learn to go about your day
[01:02:58] >> because most of the time it's just very
[01:03:00] quiet. It's not a and you're not
[01:03:02] inundated all day every day with this.
[01:03:05] It's just kind of it's in the
[01:03:06] background.
[01:03:06] >> It's in the background.
[01:03:07] >> Yeah.
[01:03:08] >> And the process is the punishment.
[01:03:09] >> I'm still going to the grocery store.
[01:03:11] I'm still pumping my gas. Like
[01:03:13] >> what's remarkable about your case is
[01:03:14] it's literally a photo.
[01:03:16] >> It's not like you conspired to invade
[01:03:20] the Capitol building and insurrection.
[01:03:22] It's not even like the, you know, the
[01:03:25] >> uh the semblance of a crime or the
[01:03:27] preponderant. It's just like a tweet.
[01:03:30] >> Yeah.
[01:03:31] >> It's like it's just you went on your
[01:03:33] phone and typed a few words.
[01:03:35] >> It's a routine thing that
[01:03:36] >> Yeah.
[01:03:36] >> so many people do on a regular basis and
[01:03:38] give no further thought to
[01:03:39] >> literally. I mean, someone else could
[01:03:41] have done the same thing if the other
[01:03:43] individual had posted the photo and
[01:03:45] they, you know, so um that's that's why
[01:03:47] I I don't I that's why I I'm making a
[01:03:50] prediction, which I never do. My staff
[01:03:51] knows this, but I feel compelled to tell
[01:03:53] you uh that that it's highly highly
[01:03:56] highly unlikely. And even if it did
[01:03:58] happen, the only way you could lose is
[01:04:01] if you apologized.
[01:04:03] >> Yeah.
[01:04:04] >> Or if you
[01:04:07] sold out the like the truth to protect
[01:04:09] yourself, if that makes sense.
[01:04:11] >> Yeah, it does.
[01:04:11] >> And just having gotten a chance to sit
[01:04:13] with you, there's no way you're going to
[01:04:15] do that.
[01:04:15] >> No, no, I can't. So therefore, I don't
[01:04:19] think you're gonna lose. Sort of.
[01:04:20] Damicles. That's not the image I had in
[01:04:22] mind, guys. Uh that's like a really
[01:04:25] ancient. I was thinking more like a like
[01:04:27] from the French Revolution, the
[01:04:29] guillotine kind of kind of dynamic, but
[01:04:31] yeah.
[01:04:31] >> Um,
[01:04:32] >> but you know, in the beginning it was a
[01:04:34] little fearful. Um, I think we're going
[01:04:36] to close here soon. Is there anything
[01:04:37] else I didn't ask you or anything else
[01:04:39] you wanted to cover
[01:04:40] >> from your situation or you want the
[01:04:41] public to know other than your gifts and
[01:04:43] go page, which we'll put up again?
[01:04:44] >> No, I just I'm I'm I feel very fortunate
[01:04:48] that I have a good team behind me and
[01:04:51] that that support system is growing. Um,
[01:04:55] the thing I love about Gifts and Go is
[01:04:57] that you can send prayers even if you
[01:04:59] can't send money.
[01:05:00] >> And that really is an action that people
[01:05:04] can take if they want to get involved.
[01:05:07] Um, and one that I appreciate equally to
[01:05:10] any kind of financial support. Um, I'll
[01:05:13] finally get to meet one of the attorneys
[01:05:16] in like 10 days. He'll be at an event.
[01:05:19] So, he lives in my county. It'll be an
[01:05:22] honor to meet him and just shake his
[01:05:24] hand and thank him because they don't
[01:05:26] have like there's enough going on on
[01:05:28] Elon Musk's plate. They don't have to
[01:05:30] get involved in some suburban mom's, you
[01:05:33] know, loudmouth case. But and even if
[01:05:38] the criminal statute of limitations runs
[01:05:40] out, my intent is to continue forward
[01:05:43] with the lawsuit
[01:05:45] >> because it's it's a matter of principle.
[01:05:47] There should never be a woman put into
[01:05:49] the position that I was put in, which
[01:05:51] is, you know, like I said, I'm not
[01:05:53] willing to name the person that took the
[01:05:55] photo because she doesn't deserve it.
[01:05:58] >> Does anybody else know who did other
[01:06:00] than you?
[01:06:01] >> I've never told anybody. Not even
[01:06:03] >> Does anybody else know?
[01:06:05] >> Um, I think Well, she took the photo off
[01:06:08] of her Facebook.
[01:06:09] >> I see.
[01:06:09] >> Um, so if anybody knew, it was just in
[01:06:13] that immediate sense.
[01:06:15] >> People I have one last question. People
[01:06:17] always ask, "What can I do?"
[01:06:19] >> And you did mention, you mentioned the
[01:06:21] gifts and go page. Put up again,
[01:06:22] everyone.
[01:06:23] >> Thank you.
[01:06:25] >> This is Michelle Evans's Give and Go.
[01:06:28] The goal is 50,000, raised 8,500. If you
[01:06:31] can't give money, you can give prayers,
[01:06:33] and that's very much appreciated. And I
[01:06:36] know the owner of Gives and Go. Great
[01:06:38] guy
[01:06:38] >> from Massachusetts. Uh
[01:06:41] >> they're very sweet. They'll call you and
[01:06:42] pray over you.
[01:06:43] >> Very kind people.
[01:06:45] >> Yeah. very very very giving and generous
[01:06:47] of his time. Um, but if someone is wants
[01:06:50] to get involved in this issue exposing
[01:06:51] what's happening with kids, the trans
[01:06:53] issue, and they say, "Michelle, what can
[01:06:55] I do? I want to do something." What's
[01:06:57] your response to them?
[01:06:59] >> Um, I'm sure that there's a a million
[01:07:02] different spunup orgs across the United
[01:07:04] States. I have been involved with
[01:07:07] independent women's um network, which
[01:07:10] independent women's forum. They've done
[01:07:11] a lot on this issue. Um they've given a
[01:07:14] platform for some friends of mine like
[01:07:16] Amy Ichigawa out of California who's
[01:07:18] talked about the men and women's prisons
[01:07:20] there. Um you had Vanessa Civan is a
[01:07:23] friend of mine. Um
[01:07:25] >> just one of the most authentic sweet
[01:07:28] people.
[01:07:29] >> Um she has protecting Texas children. So
[01:07:31] I encourage people to get involved in in
[01:07:34] legitimate organizations like those. Um,
[01:07:37] and just do the simplest, most right
[01:07:40] thing you can possibly do every single
[01:07:42] day and do the next right thing.
[01:07:44] >> Do the next right thing.
[01:07:46] >> I won't take credit for that. I listen
[01:07:47] to a lot of Ali Best Stucky and she says
[01:07:49] that
[01:07:49] >> Ali Bestucky do the do the next right
[01:07:51] thing. I like to say tell the truth.
[01:07:53] Just be honest.
[01:07:54] >> Yeah.
[01:07:55] >> Don't lie or do do the right thing every
[01:07:57] day in your own life. And those
[01:07:58] organizations ID IWF uh protecting uh
[01:08:02] children in Texas.
[01:08:04] >> Yeah. Protecting Texas children.
[01:08:05] >> Okay. Well, great to have you here.
[01:08:07] >> Thank you so much for the opportunity.
[01:08:10] >> What is your price?
[01:08:12] Because if your price is not your life,
[01:08:18] then you are for sale.
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