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[00:00:00] afraid? And why are you so afraid? And
[00:00:03] why are you so afraid? [music]
[00:00:05] And why are you so afraid? Why are you
[00:00:08] so afraid? And why are you so afraid?
[00:00:11] And what are [music] you so afraid? And
[00:00:14] what are you so afraid?
[00:00:17] So what's holding you back? Fear.
[00:00:19] [music] It's irrational.
[00:00:21] >> What are we actually afraid of?
[00:00:24] Especially Christians. We talk about
[00:00:25] eternal life and they're worried about
[00:00:27] losing their stuff and their money. I
[00:00:29] don't get that at all
[00:00:32] because you don't take [music] any of
[00:00:33] that stuff with you when you die. None
[00:00:36] of it.
[00:00:39] [music]
[00:00:46] This morning [music] when I woke,
[00:00:48] [singing] I couldn't stop hearing tear
[00:00:50] drops on my ceiling falling from the
[00:00:53] eyes of the beautiful [singing]
[00:00:54] angel I had slaughtered. [music] Hold
[00:00:56] me, ignoring what you told me.
[00:00:59] Only for a moment. Everything is fine in
[00:01:02] the [singing] beautiful golden path.
[00:01:03] Unfolding anger [music] in response to
[00:01:05] my emotion. All the trauma left
[00:01:08] unopened. Throw it all away and fly
[00:01:11] inside. [music] Get high. Good times.
[00:01:12] I'm reeling from the raindrops on the
[00:01:15] ceiling. From your heart, this is
[00:01:17] revealing. [music] You want to get away.
[00:01:19] You're born into my feel. Isn't that
[00:01:22] what life is made of? When you think
[00:01:24] about [music] all you gave up. When you
[00:01:26] think about all the glamour and the
[00:01:29] money that they sold you when the
[00:01:31] raindrops hit your ceiling. Will you see
[00:01:33] a human being? [music] Will you open
[00:01:35] your eyes or the things this is
[00:01:37] revealing? I survive what they sent to
[00:01:40] destroy me. Resurrected like [music] a
[00:01:41] biblical story. They thought that it was
[00:01:44] the old me, but it ain't the old me,
[00:01:46] it's the bold me. I [music] survive what
[00:01:48] they sent to destroy me. Resurrected
[00:01:50] like a biblical story. They thought that
[00:01:52] it was the old me, but it ain't the old
[00:01:54] me, it's the old me. Huh? Yeah. [music]
[00:01:56] I'm looking dangerous now. Yeah, they
[00:01:59] looking anxious now. Yeah, look at they
[00:02:01] faces now. Yeah, how did they [music]
[00:02:03] make it out? Yeah, I had to break it.
[00:02:06] I'm talking that family curse. Everyone
[00:02:09] said I wouldn't make it. Spoiler [music]
[00:02:11] alert, man. What are you so afraid of?
[00:02:13] Isn't that what life is made of? When
[00:02:16] you think [music] about all you gave up.
[00:02:18] When you think about all the language
[00:02:19] and the [ __ ] that they sold you.
[00:02:22] When the tear [music] drops hit your
[00:02:23] ceiling. We see a human being. Will you
[00:02:26] open your eyes aboard the pain? [music]
[00:02:28] Girl, why are you so afraid? And why are
[00:02:31] you so afraid? And why are you so
[00:02:34] afraid? And why are you so afraid? Why
[00:02:37] are [music] you so afraid? And what are
[00:02:40] you so afraid? And what are you so
[00:02:42] afraid? And why are you so afraid?
[00:02:45] [music]
[00:02:47] So what's holding you back? Fear. It's
[00:02:49] irrational. What are we actually afraid
[00:02:53] of? Especially Christians, you talk
[00:02:55] about eternal life and they're worried
[00:02:56] about losing their stuff and their
[00:02:58] money. I don't get that at all
[00:03:01] because you don't take any of that stuff
[00:03:03] with you when you die. None of it.
[00:03:08] [music]
[00:03:16] [music] This morning when I woke I
[00:03:18] couldn't stop hearing tear drops on my
[00:03:21] ceiling falling from the eyes of the
[00:03:23] beautiful [singing] angel I had
[00:03:24] slaughtered [music]
[00:03:27] >> life. Today we have a number of massive
[00:03:29] developments involving the Treasury
[00:03:31] Department and the Small Business
[00:03:33] Administration and we have interviews
[00:03:36] coming from California from Ciro the
[00:03:38] Susanville Indian Rancheria Native
[00:03:42] American individuals. We have videos
[00:03:45] that we're going to show you today. We
[00:03:46] went there to California, interviewed
[00:03:48] them. But first, we'll take you to these
[00:03:50] breaking developments from the US
[00:03:52] Treasury Department. Kelly Laughler at
[00:03:54] the SBA announced the suspension of
[00:03:55] seven companies linked to Fermage
[00:03:57] Crutchfield. That's the investigation
[00:03:59] that we've conducted. The Treasury
[00:04:00] Department announced a full-scale audit
[00:04:03] of the AA program worth $9 billion.
[00:04:06] And this is on top of as reminder to
[00:04:10] date we have saved the taxpayers over
[00:04:11] $320 million. Secretary Bassenda
[00:04:14] suspended $253 million in government
[00:04:16] contracts to ATI and this was in
[00:04:19] conjunction with the GSA and Department
[00:04:21] of Treasury. Doge announced 75 million
[00:04:23] in suspension in government contracts to
[00:04:25] ADA firms. So people talk about nothing
[00:04:29] happening. There you have the tweet from
[00:04:31] the Treasury Department. US Treasury
[00:04:32] Department announced a comprehensive
[00:04:34] audit of the contracts and task orders
[00:04:37] awarded under preferencebased
[00:04:39] contracting approximately 9 billion in
[00:04:41] contract value. This 8-day program
[00:04:45] represents $100 billion.
[00:04:49] That's 5% of the United States deficit,
[00:04:52] which is why we have the the prices we
[00:04:54] have, the inflation that we have. And
[00:04:57] coming up here in a minute, we're gonna
[00:04:58] have interviews from tribal members of
[00:05:02] the Susanville Indian Rancheria telling
[00:05:05] their stories of the 8day fraud. I think
[00:05:08] we have a little tease of that uh just
[00:05:11] to show you
[00:05:11] >> how much money that's coming in. It's
[00:05:14] heartbreaking because my grandma has a
[00:05:18] home on the reservation. and there's no
[00:05:20] insulation in her house. And here you
[00:05:22] have this millionaire making money off
[00:05:24] of us and we're here begging begging for
[00:05:27] help. All the things that were created
[00:05:30] for us, we don't benefit from all of
[00:05:33] this money that you see. We don't
[00:05:35] benefit a single dime from any of that.
[00:05:38] Why do we have to suffer? Why do we our
[00:05:40] elders have to like not have healthcare?
[00:05:43] Why why is our people struggling when
[00:05:45] [snorts] when we could be we could be
[00:05:47] millionaires? You know,
[00:05:49] >> my personal opinion
[00:05:52] is that they all need to be taken out.
[00:05:55] >> Well, we have a lot more coming and this
[00:05:58] is fascinating to see these Native
[00:06:01] American individuals. By the way, these
[00:06:02] programs were intended to help them.
[00:06:05] Even if you like these programs, you'll
[00:06:08] see later on here on the show that the
[00:06:11] lawyer for this group is personally and
[00:06:13] viciously attacking me as being
[00:06:15] anti-Native American. But all of the
[00:06:18] people on the tribe, they want these
[00:06:20] people in jail. Even if you like these
[00:06:23] programs, they're not helping the people
[00:06:25] they were intended to help. Let me say
[00:06:27] that again. Even if you like the idea of
[00:06:31] these programs,
[00:06:33] they are not helping. The person has
[00:06:35] tears in her eyes. And by the way,
[00:06:36] there's a lot more. This is
[00:06:38] unbelievable. Our reporters went to
[00:06:40] California and attended the meeting.
[00:06:42] We're going to show that here in 5 to 10
[00:06:44] minutes. But but let me just take a step
[00:06:45] back. For the past month, we've been
[00:06:47] exposing this 8-day contractor fraud.
[00:06:50] And every step of the way, we learned
[00:06:53] the rabbit hole keeps getting deeper.
[00:06:55] For those of you who have followed
[00:06:56] along, I appreciate it. For those who
[00:06:57] are just getting up to speed, here's a
[00:06:59] quick overview of what the 8A contractor
[00:07:01] fraud is and what we've uncovered. This
[00:07:04] 8A program is the SBA, that Small
[00:07:07] Business Administration initiative that
[00:07:09] helps small business owners and
[00:07:11] controlled by socially and economically
[00:07:14] disadvantaged individuals to develop and
[00:07:16] grow. Now, to be eligible, a business
[00:07:19] must be 51% owned and controlled by US
[00:07:22] citizens or socially and economically
[00:07:24] disadvantaged. So, we went undercover.
[00:07:26] just a couple weeks ago released those
[00:07:28] tapes exposing how federal contractor
[00:07:30] ATI government solutions exploited this
[00:07:33] ADA program to secure more than $100
[00:07:35] million in no bid contracts while
[00:07:38] subbing out the vast majority of the
[00:07:39] work to Accenture. Questions remain to
[00:07:42] what extent is Accenture a
[00:07:44] co-conspirator in this racket these
[00:07:47] Washington DC firms stand to benefit?
[00:07:50] ATI's contract manager explained how ATI
[00:07:53] uses Native American classification to
[00:07:55] win lucrative government contracts
[00:07:57] without competition only to pass 80% of
[00:08:00] the work to non-native subs while
[00:08:01] keeping a majority of the profits. Now,
[00:08:04] on paper, this ATI group, which is
[00:08:06] currently under criminal investigation
[00:08:08] by the Department of Justice, is owned
[00:08:10] by the Susanville Indian Rancheria, a
[00:08:12] federally recognized Native American
[00:08:14] tribe that's in Northern California. But
[00:08:18] in reality, the share of the profits
[00:08:20] have been going to a select few like
[00:08:22] this CEO Fermage Crutchfield guy who all
[00:08:24] the Native Americans want now to be in
[00:08:26] prison and his white guys DC executive
[00:08:30] team that use the Susanville to secure
[00:08:32] themselves contracts and make themselves
[00:08:34] rich. You know, self-interest in graft
[00:08:37] and greed and corruption is just the
[00:08:40] norm in today's world. And the problem
[00:08:43] with these government programs is they
[00:08:45] seek to help the minorities, but in
[00:08:47] practice they don't. So the theme of
[00:08:50] today's show is we're going to actually
[00:08:52] go to the reservation in California
[00:08:55] and take you inside the board meetings.
[00:08:58] We attended them last week. We went
[00:09:01] there. We go there. By the way, you know
[00:09:04] that journalism journalism is broken
[00:09:06] when the unique value proposition of the
[00:09:08] journalists is to actually go to the
[00:09:10] location they report on. But we went
[00:09:12] there. There's the people who say we
[00:09:15] shouldn't have these programs because of
[00:09:16] DEI. But there may be an argument in
[00:09:19] fact to have these programs.
[00:09:22] I don't know. I'm not going to comment
[00:09:24] on that. But even if you believe that
[00:09:27] for those of you who are watching that
[00:09:29] we should help these disadvantaged
[00:09:33] people, socially and economically
[00:09:35] disadvantaged communities, that's not
[00:09:38] actually what's happening. But perhaps
[00:09:40] even worse than the monetary waste is
[00:09:43] the real human beings, the victims who
[00:09:46] are being used and exploited for their
[00:09:49] minority status to make white guys rich.
[00:09:52] Fermage Crutchfield and ATI have raked
[00:09:54] in millions from this program. Here's a
[00:09:56] look at their profits. By the way, look
[00:09:58] at this.
[00:10:01] We've shown this before 200% growth
[00:10:03] rate, tens of millions of dollars a
[00:10:06] year, hundreds of millions of dollars a
[00:10:08] year. And remember, this is all supposed
[00:10:09] to be helping the tribe. We have
[00:10:11] whistleblowers inside
[00:10:13] coming to us. We have so many
[00:10:15] whistleblowers. I just spoke to one last
[00:10:16] night and they sent us their council
[00:10:19] agenda for October 17th.
[00:10:21] I think we have that agenda. That
[00:10:23] October 17th agenda shows that Fermage
[00:10:25] Crutchfield presenting on Ciro [snorts]
[00:10:29] and actually provided only a $2 million
[00:10:32] dividend check signed by Fermage
[00:10:34] Crutchfield to the Ciro tribe. That's
[00:10:37] all they got. By the way, the people
[00:10:39] there, they don't even see that money.
[00:10:43] Supposedly, a portion of the profits the
[00:10:44] tribe gets from their partnership with
[00:10:46] Crutchfield Companies, but according to
[00:10:47] the individuals there, they received
[00:10:49] none of even that money. So, the more we
[00:10:51] dug and the more we realized the money
[00:10:53] wasn't going to its intended recipients.
[00:10:55] We started to doing research about
[00:10:57] what's really going on. There's OSENT,
[00:10:59] that's open source, and there's human,
[00:11:00] that's human intelligence. We went to
[00:11:02] California and met with Susanville
[00:11:04] Indian Rancheria, the tribe Fermage
[00:11:07] Crutchfield, an ATI used to defraud the
[00:11:09] American taxpayer. And we heard how they
[00:11:11] were impacted by this scheme. I do want
[00:11:14] to address one thing real quick before I
[00:11:15] do that. Before I take you to those
[00:11:17] videos, um
[00:11:21] before we play the interviews, I want to
[00:11:22] say a word about the tribe members. We
[00:11:24] used an image in one of our previous
[00:11:25] videos that featured their ancestors.
[00:11:27] And I want to make it clear that the
[00:11:29] tribe members and their ancestors are
[00:11:31] not to blame in this. They're not the
[00:11:32] vict they are the victims, not the
[00:11:34] villains. But in using that image taken
[00:11:37] off the website, it might have come
[00:11:38] across the tribe was somehow involved.
[00:11:40] That is not our intention. And if it was
[00:11:42] taken that way by anyone there, I want
[00:11:44] to sincerely apologize. They have come
[00:11:46] to us with these tips. We have insiders
[00:11:49] in California recording and they are
[00:11:52] more upset than anybody because in their
[00:11:54] words, they've been exploited. Now,
[00:11:58] let's take you to these videotapes. This
[00:12:01] is one of the most incredible things I
[00:12:04] think we've ever done. Um, following our
[00:12:06] investigation, we received this letter
[00:12:09] for one of the tribal members that sums
[00:12:10] up their sentiment perfectly. This is
[00:12:12] Ella Low, concerned tribal member. Do we
[00:12:16] want to read this on the air? This is
[00:12:18] pretty long. You want to read this? You
[00:12:19] want to read? Okay. A few minutes. Uh, I
[00:12:21] am lolo, a concerned member of our
[00:12:23] tribe. I speak not out of anger, but out
[00:12:26] of duty to protect what our ancestors
[00:12:29] built, ensure that generations after
[00:12:31] inherit a future grounded in integrity,
[00:12:34] not exploitation.
[00:12:35] There's that exploitation word. For too
[00:12:37] long, our people have been
[00:12:38] misrepresented, painted as seeking
[00:12:40] handouts. When the truth is, we receive
[00:12:41] nothing but promises and empty words.
[00:12:44] While others have profited, we continued
[00:12:47] to live, work, and serve with honesty
[00:12:49] and pride. The recent revelations
[00:12:52] surrounding the O'Keefe investigation
[00:12:53] have brought long hidden truths to the
[00:12:55] surface. Truth about power, about
[00:12:57] misuse, about leadership that has
[00:13:00] strayed far from the values we were
[00:13:01] taught to uphold. Again, this is a
[00:13:04] concerned, if you're just tuning in,
[00:13:06] you're this is a letter from a concerned
[00:13:08] tribal member, and we're about to show
[00:13:09] you the videotapes.
[00:13:12] This moment has shamed us in the public
[00:13:14] eye. Let me be clear. Our people are not
[00:13:16] the shame. The shame lies in the actions
[00:13:19] of those who have forgotten who they
[00:13:20] serve. Leadership is not a birthright.
[00:13:23] It is a responsibility.
[00:13:26] And it goes on
[00:13:28] um about facing the truth. So on
[00:13:31] November 1st during the trib's general
[00:13:33] council meeting that was last week, our
[00:13:35] undercover journalists were there and
[00:13:37] followed up with tribal members
[00:13:39] expressing gratitude for the expose.
[00:13:42] Interviews captured raw reactions from
[00:13:44] elders and you may just learn a thing or
[00:13:47] two about how these reservations work
[00:13:49] and the system. Our undercover
[00:13:51] journalist also sat down with tribal
[00:13:52] members and expressed their deep
[00:13:54] frustrations, feeling of exploitation,
[00:13:56] and a sense of being rented Indians,
[00:13:59] quote unquote. These are their words to
[00:14:00] enrich non-tribal outsiders. Let's go to
[00:14:03] the first video tape. Roll clip one.
[00:14:07] >> When I was told with the video area
[00:14:09] chairman, I found out that day right
[00:14:12] before Tuesday's meeting.
[00:14:13] >> So what I'm saying moving forward,
[00:14:17] >> we should all see how this plays out.
[00:14:19] But what I found out, and I'm not going
[00:14:21] to speak for Mary or the rest of the
[00:14:23] board, I didn't know we had another
[00:14:24] board of those individuals. I know CIR.
[00:14:27] I know four tribes. I didn't know we had
[00:14:29] an ATI. I didn't know we had an SS5. But
[00:14:32] we have tribal members in on those
[00:14:34] boards that are we need answers from and
[00:14:37] that's what we are doing.
[00:14:38] >> Do you know what the meeting is?
[00:14:40] >> Um some of our members stole half a
[00:14:43] billion dollars and give the elders or
[00:14:46] the kids money for coats.
[00:14:49] They just have ripped us off. They need
[00:14:51] to be in jail. Some of the
[00:14:53] >> you read online it's small business
[00:14:55] administration that man they've been
[00:14:57] ripping off bad
[00:14:58] >> really
[00:14:58] >> and they can't find one of the guys and
[00:15:01] he's got access to have a billion
[00:15:03] dollars. Where's he at? He should be at
[00:15:04] this meeting.
[00:15:05] >> Who's that?
[00:15:06] >> The Li one of the Li family there. The
[00:15:09] whole Li family's been ripping off all
[00:15:11] this time.
[00:15:12] >> So get him out of there. Go back to
[00:15:14] Washington DC and bid on fictitious uh
[00:15:17] Indian companies that don't exist. They
[00:15:20] get extra money for that. Really?
[00:15:22] >> It's all a facade.
[00:15:24] >> Interesting.
[00:15:25] >> Yeah.
[00:15:27] >> More interesting on the Yeah.
[00:15:29] >> Oh,
[00:15:30] >> how many subs? Okay. My first question
[00:15:33] is, are we a rent to Indian company
[00:15:36] where these government uh that gets
[00:15:39] these government uh jobs?
[00:15:42] So, it's not actually you guys doing it,
[00:15:44] but your subs are doing work.
[00:15:46] >> We're just managers.
[00:15:47] >> So, we're are we're Indian.
[00:15:50] >> Yes. No, I should say this though.
[00:15:52] Majority. Yes. Majority in part.
[00:15:54] >> So they're using our status to go and
[00:15:56] work at these places.
[00:15:58] >> So there you have it. That's that's a
[00:16:00] secret recording from the board meeting
[00:16:04] where they're saying they feel like
[00:16:06] quote rented Indians and this guy Lowry
[00:16:09] who runs one of these four tribes firms
[00:16:11] says yes. Yes. Majority yes. Yes. And
[00:16:14] no. You also saw Kurt Marino and Gene
[00:16:17] Lamar, tribal elders, that these people
[00:16:20] need to be in jail.
[00:16:22] You heard that right. These people are
[00:16:24] actually calling for the same thing that
[00:16:26] you're calling for, which is I want
[00:16:28] these people to be arrested. Who's going
[00:16:30] to be held accountable? All a facade. It
[00:16:33] would be more interesting. They were
[00:16:34] responding to my cameraman. It should be
[00:16:36] more interesting when they go to jail.
[00:16:39] We also have a clip. We were able to
[00:16:40] meet with tribal members on November
[00:16:42] 1st. Um, in the wake of these videos, we
[00:16:46] were also be able to find the emergency
[00:16:48] general council meeting. And I want to
[00:16:51] make it clear, these tribal members were
[00:16:53] completely in the dark. They did not
[00:16:55] know anything about these businesses.
[00:16:58] They did not know anything about uh
[00:17:02] these the ATI group. You you kind of
[00:17:05] heard the first guy say that. I've never
[00:17:07] heard of these things before. So they
[00:17:09] they they really felt exploited and when
[00:17:10] they when they hear these big numbers
[00:17:12] being tossed around, they're not
[00:17:14] receiving any share of it. Um and they
[00:17:17] suffered and they're watching white guys
[00:17:20] become millionaires. Roll clip too.
[00:17:24] >> We want to know what what kind of money
[00:17:26] came towards our tribe.
[00:17:29] Who benefited from this money? I haven't
[00:17:33] seen anything come our way to help us.
[00:17:36] We saw Aryen freely speaking about
[00:17:41] how he's basically just being a shell
[00:17:46] company for these big corporations or
[00:17:48] for this gentleman. Um what's his name?
[00:17:51] Crutchfield. Um and how he wasn't even
[00:17:53] someone who was part of our tribe, but
[00:17:55] he's making money off of us.
[00:17:57] >> They found someone they could bend over
[00:17:59] and they use him. these pass through
[00:18:01] companies that they've created, we we as
[00:18:04] a tribal membership knew nothing about
[00:18:07] until the O'Keefe investigation opened
[00:18:10] up.
[00:18:10] >> I've asked them in a few meetings, you
[00:18:13] know, are you are you ignorant or what?
[00:18:16] You can't
[00:18:18] run our business. Why do we have these
[00:18:20] people now? Look what's going on.
[00:18:24] >> We want to get rid of it.
[00:18:25] >> Yeah.
[00:18:26] >> Okay.
[00:18:26] >> We're not dumb people. We don't need
[00:18:29] outsiders running our business.
[00:18:32] >> We're not not benefiting the people
[00:18:34] anyway.
[00:18:34] >> We're not getting nothing out of
[00:18:36] >> here. I want to break away from Circle.
[00:18:38] We do not need them. We don't need uh
[00:18:41] Doyle Li and his How many um companies
[00:18:46] has he developed? It's um humiliating
[00:18:50] that town's people are saying ugly
[00:18:54] things about us. Like we're involved in
[00:18:58] mafia. I mean, come on. The ones that
[00:19:01] are on these other boards, they need to
[00:19:05] be prosecuted for what they did,
[00:19:07] including our chairman. And Arian was
[00:19:10] just playing dumb and just wanted to be
[00:19:12] like, "Well, I didn't know this is a big
[00:19:14] scheme. O'Keefe's a scheme." and it's
[00:19:17] the internet hoax.
[00:19:18] >> If it's wrong, then it's wrong and we're
[00:19:20] going to do what we have to do. If it
[00:19:22] comes out and this is a bunch of
[00:19:24] misinformation and it's all right, then
[00:19:26] we're going to have to make those kind
[00:19:27] of decision.
[00:19:30] >> The idea that this media group has
[00:19:33] decided that they're trying to uh create
[00:19:36] some uh white horse that's coming in to
[00:19:40] save the day about SBA administration or
[00:19:43] things like that. It's absolutely an
[00:19:45] attack on tribal government and Alaskan
[00:19:48] Native participation in federal
[00:19:50] contracting.
[00:19:51] >> He's trying to gaslight us into thinking
[00:19:54] that this is a take down of tribes in
[00:19:56] our sovereignty when in reality they're
[00:19:59] they're taking our sovereignty and
[00:20:01] selling it.
[00:20:03] >> I was going to use the word gaslighting
[00:20:04] myself. There was a there was a mashup
[00:20:06] of clips there. We'll be putting this
[00:20:08] out on our ex in a more uh edited down
[00:20:11] version. But there you have the actual
[00:20:15] native. This is fascinating. The actual
[00:20:18] people Tracy Lent Susanville Indian
[00:20:21] Rancheria tribal member is calling it
[00:20:24] gaslighting and we're not receiving any
[00:20:26] money from this. And then the the the
[00:20:29] guy in charge, it reminds you of Animal
[00:20:30] Farm, the pigs in the in the barn. The
[00:20:33] people in charge are taking all the
[00:20:35] money
[00:20:37] and and then they're attacking me in a
[00:20:41] very strange way. Go back to that Aryan
[00:20:42] Hart clip. We're going to see if this is
[00:20:45] misinformation. We're going to wait to
[00:20:46] see. That's a very strange reaction.
[00:20:48] There's only one truth. He knows the
[00:20:50] truth, but he's wanting to wait to see
[00:20:54] what the perception is, whether he can
[00:20:56] get away with it. This is a human nature
[00:20:58] thing that we're fighting. Play this
[00:21:00] Aryan heart clip again. Uh, we're going
[00:21:02] to wait to see if it's wrong. If it's
[00:21:03] wrong,
[00:21:04] >> if it's wrong, then it's wrong. And
[00:21:06] we're going to do what we have to do. If
[00:21:08] it comes out this is a bunch of
[00:21:09] misinformation and it's all right, then
[00:21:11] we're going to have to make those tough
[00:21:13] decisions.
[00:21:13] >> So, pause. If it is wrong, it's like,
[00:21:16] well, if people perceive it to be wrong,
[00:21:18] it's it really is so crazy. And this
[00:21:21] happens all across the world, all across
[00:21:23] the country. There's probably 20,000
[00:21:26] other stories just like this one. Um,
[00:21:31] the lawyer. Play the lawyer. This is, I
[00:21:33] guess, a lawyer for Craig Jacobson. Go
[00:21:36] to his clip.
[00:21:39] >> The idea that this media group has
[00:21:41] decided that they're trying to uh create
[00:21:45] some uh white horse that's coming in to
[00:21:48] say the day about SDA administration or
[00:21:52] things like that. It's absolutely an
[00:21:54] attack on tribal government and Alaskan
[00:21:57] Native participation in federal.
[00:21:59] >> So it's perceived as an attack against
[00:22:03] tribal government. I'm not sure what
[00:22:06] that means when every individual that we
[00:22:08] interviewed claimed that the individuals
[00:22:12] making up the tribe feel like they're
[00:22:14] being exploited. So we continued our
[00:22:16] interviews with tribal members Tracy
[00:22:19] Lent and Valerie Edwards. These are
[00:22:21] brave people, by the way. They they were
[00:22:23] willing to go on camera. This is not
[00:22:25] undercover taping. You'll see just how
[00:22:27] emotionally distraught they are that
[00:22:29] people like Feritch Crutchfield are
[00:22:31] making themselves gazillionaires while
[00:22:34] the members continue to live in nearly
[00:22:36] impoverished conditions. We actually
[00:22:38] went on the location and it was not a
[00:22:40] pretty sight. We also obtained audio
[00:22:43] from the economic meeting where Fermage
[00:22:44] Crutchfield presented the tribe with
[00:22:46] that $2 million check, the portion of
[00:22:47] the profits for the arrangement. and the
[00:22:50] moment a tribal member pushed back
[00:22:51] calling the relationship quote rented
[00:22:53] Indians. Roll clip three.
[00:22:55] >> We hear about all this money is going
[00:22:58] through certain tribal people's hands
[00:23:01] but it's not getting to our people. So
[00:23:04] that's what I'm upset about.
[00:23:06] >> To hear how much money that's coming in
[00:23:09] is heartbreaking
[00:23:11] because my grandma has a home on the
[00:23:14] reservation. There's no insulation in
[00:23:16] her house and here you have.
[00:23:18] Unbelievable. Look at this. I want you
[00:23:20] to look at this. Keep the image on the
[00:23:22] screen, please. The humanity of this.
[00:23:26] You look you look at investigative
[00:23:28] reporting through the lens of of
[00:23:30] villains and victims. I've never seen in
[00:23:32] my career a more pronounced
[00:23:37] contrast
[00:23:38] between the villain and the victim. This
[00:23:41] woman, you can't even afford insulation.
[00:23:43] And we're talking about hundreds of
[00:23:45] millions of dollars. Tracy Lent, tribal
[00:23:48] member. This millionaire guy, this white
[00:23:50] guy making money off of these people.
[00:23:53] Keep playing.
[00:23:54] >> This millionaire making money off of us.
[00:23:57] And we're here begging, begging for
[00:23:59] help. All the things that were created
[00:24:02] for us, we don't benefit from all this
[00:24:05] money that you see, we don't benefit a
[00:24:08] single dime from any of that. Why do we
[00:24:11] have to suffer? Why do we our elders
[00:24:13] have to like not have healthcare? Why?
[00:24:15] Why is our people struggling when
[00:24:18] [snorts] when we could be we could be
[00:24:20] millionaires?
[00:24:21] >> Look at that. Look at this. Look at this
[00:24:22] clip. Go back to her. That That was a
[00:24:24] very profound thing she just said. I
[00:24:26] mean, isn't that the intent
[00:24:29] of of the program to I mean, I guess if
[00:24:32] there I don't even I don't understand
[00:24:34] what the intent was behind the ADA, but
[00:24:36] go back. Please go back to that image.
[00:24:38] I'm She's more interesting than me. I
[00:24:40] mean, isn't that the intent? I If you
[00:24:43] believe and Lyndon B. Johnson's Great
[00:24:45] Society or wherever this came from.
[00:24:47] You're trying to help people like this
[00:24:50] who are a product of their own
[00:24:52] circumstances
[00:24:55] and they're not seeing a single dime of
[00:24:57] this money.
[00:24:58] I just wanted you all to see the human
[00:25:00] face.
[00:25:03] The circle is now complete. We've showed
[00:25:05] you the fraud. We've showed you how it
[00:25:08] works. And now we're seeing the victims,
[00:25:11] the people in Susanville, California. If
[00:25:14] you don't know where that is, that's a
[00:25:15] very northeastern section of the state
[00:25:17] of California. Uh an hour and a half
[00:25:20] northwest of Reno, an hour north of Lake
[00:25:23] Tahoe, way in the middle of nowhere.
[00:25:25] Impoverished. Keep playing the
[00:25:27] recordings. We have more tape from the
[00:25:29] reservation.
[00:25:30] >> My personal opinion is that they all
[00:25:33] need to be taken out and Doy Li needs to
[00:25:37] go to jail. That's how I
[00:25:40] >> We have Valerie Edwards calling for
[00:25:41] Doyle Lowry. He's the guy who runs the
[00:25:44] four tribes. They want them in jail.
[00:25:46] They want them incarcerated
[00:25:49] for taking the money. They want the same
[00:25:51] thing you want. Isn't that interesting?
[00:25:52] Even though the lawyer attacks me
[00:25:54] personally and says, "I'm we're we're
[00:25:55] targeting this is all gaslighting." It's
[00:25:59] all a lie. Whole world's a fraud. You
[00:26:02] begin to realize things are not what
[00:26:04] they seem. Keep playing.
[00:26:09] That's all we have for clip three. Let's
[00:26:11] go to
[00:26:12] the next clip.
[00:26:15] By the way, notice that Tracy said her
[00:26:17] grandma doesn't have insulation in her
[00:26:18] house. And keep in mind that Susanville
[00:26:20] averages 36 in of snow a year. In this
[00:26:25] next clip,
[00:26:26] Tracy explains a beautiful metaphor for
[00:26:28] what's being done to the tribe by those
[00:26:30] with no vested interest in their home,
[00:26:34] their culture, and taking advantage of
[00:26:37] them. Let's play. Let's roll clip four.
[00:26:40] If you go up past on the tribe, there's
[00:26:43] a new building that's being built for
[00:26:46] the health center. Um, going back again,
[00:26:49] that that project actually doesn't help
[00:26:51] our people. It just is almost like a
[00:26:54] pass through to throw money out.
[00:26:56] >> Pause. Look at that. She even used the
[00:26:58] word pass through.
[00:27:01] >> Sorry, I keep interrupting. Go back to
[00:27:02] the beginning of the clip.
[00:27:06] If you go up up past on the tribe,
[00:27:09] there's a new building that's being
[00:27:12] built for the health center. Um, going
[00:27:15] back again, that that project actually
[00:27:17] doesn't help our people. It just is
[00:27:20] almost like a pass through that throw
[00:27:22] money at. So, you would think that four
[00:27:24] tribes would be in charge of that
[00:27:25] construction cuz they're construction
[00:27:27] company. Correct. But there's there's
[00:27:29] there's a construction company. They
[00:27:30] have their sign with their logo on there
[00:27:33] and someone told them to go and make a
[00:27:35] line through our area behind our houses
[00:27:38] where there's artifacts. They also
[00:27:41] bulldozed a tree that
[00:27:45] I grew up with and
[00:27:49] I saw the tree laying there [laughter]
[00:27:51] and maybe it was cuz I've
[00:27:54] [clears throat]
[00:27:54] had so much connection to this tree and
[00:27:56] my family. Um, I felt like that's what
[00:28:01] Aaron and them are doing because they
[00:28:04] have no connection to this place and
[00:28:07] they're willing to sell it out to make
[00:28:10] something easier for some other people.
[00:28:13] And so with that, I feel like we need to
[00:28:17] have a voice, you know, and you know,
[00:28:20] mine's shaky right now, but I feel like,
[00:28:23] you know, it's time for us to wake up
[00:28:25] and to not be complacent anymore. It's
[00:28:28] time for us to be the people that, you
[00:28:31] know, our ancestors called us to be
[00:28:33] because my my grandpa was a lone
[00:28:35] survivor of a massacre and that same
[00:28:38] blood that's in him is in me, too.
[00:28:41] And I want to make sure that when I
[00:28:43] leave this earth that I want to make
[00:28:45] sure that it is good for my nieces and
[00:28:48] my nephews. And the fact that they're
[00:28:52] trying to steal that from us makes me
[00:28:55] really angry.
[00:28:57] >> Throughout the course of these
[00:28:58] interviews, we unknowingly discovered
[00:29:00] that the tribal members were previously
[00:29:02] voiceless. And they thanked our
[00:29:04] journalists often for providing them a
[00:29:06] platform to tell their stories. Not just
[00:29:08] these, but many whistleblowers inside
[00:29:11] the federal government. Even last night,
[00:29:13] another ADA guy sent me documents from
[00:29:16] within his company where they were
[00:29:17] processing invoices and doing no work.
[00:29:20] And again, there are people who say that
[00:29:23] we should not have these programs at
[00:29:26] all. But maybe you're one of the people
[00:29:28] who say, "No, we should have an ADA
[00:29:30] minority disadvantaged small business
[00:29:32] program." And if you're one of that,
[00:29:35] let's talk about you. If you think that
[00:29:37] there should be these programs,
[00:29:39] then these programs should help these
[00:29:40] people. Don't you agree? If the programs
[00:29:43] are there and they're not helping the
[00:29:45] people, if they're not seeing any money,
[00:29:48] then what the hell is going on?
[00:29:50] Even if you like these programs, like
[00:29:53] let's say you're aio I would love to get
[00:29:55] Okasio Cortez's reaction to this. Or
[00:29:57] who's the guy the the Jeff Hakee? I want
[00:30:00] to know what Hakeem Jeff has to say
[00:30:03] about Tracy Lent crying her eyes out
[00:30:06] that they're being stolen from. What do
[00:30:09] they think?
[00:30:11] It's fascinating, isn't it? When you
[00:30:14] actually realize this is not about
[00:30:18] helping people. It's about money and
[00:30:20] it's about raw power. They're not
[00:30:24] helping the people. The programs were
[00:30:27] intending to help. But we're not done.
[00:30:31] No, no. This is going to be this I'm
[00:30:33] going to keep this this is going to be
[00:30:34] every week each week in perpetuity.
[00:30:38] In the next clip, you'll hear secretly
[00:30:40] recorded audio from the emergency
[00:30:42] council meeting as it quickly spirals
[00:30:44] out of control. We were there recording
[00:30:47] it and all of the tribe demands Aryan
[00:30:50] Hart, that's like the top guy. They all
[00:30:53] demand his resignation. Roll clip five.
[00:30:56] I've never told anybody they can take my
[00:30:58] sovereign rights away. And I don't care
[00:31:02] if the chairman sold his soul out or
[00:31:05] whatever. I never and and none of our
[00:31:08] people either. So um our concern is um
[00:31:13] our tribe, it's being slaughtered right
[00:31:16] now. I feel like we're being made an
[00:31:18] example to others. I requested that the
[00:31:23] uh tribal chair remove himself.
[00:31:26] >> Like I bet you got your [ __ ] brought
[00:31:28] down. Here's your money.
[00:31:29] >> Who stole money for getting yourself?
[00:31:32] >> There's none of that help. You'll help
[00:31:34] yourself though.
[00:31:35] >> So if I thought that if me stepping down
[00:31:38] was going to fix all these problems and
[00:31:39] all these problems go away,
[00:31:43] that's what I would do.
[00:31:45] So, that on the screen you have Aryan
[00:31:48] Hart, the tribal chairman, the head um
[00:31:52] saying, "I if if people want me gone,
[00:31:54] I'll go." And then everyone shouting,
[00:31:56] "Then do it." All the people in the
[00:31:58] meeting are are screaming, "That's what
[00:31:59] we want. We want you to resign." He's
[00:32:01] refusing to to do so. [snorts]
[00:32:06] >> Problems and all these problems will go
[00:32:07] away.
[00:32:10] That's what I would do.
[00:32:13] >> Do it. We're going to see it through as
[00:32:15] a council, as a
[00:32:21] >> thank you and have a good rest of your
[00:32:22] weekend.
[00:32:30] >> This is just incredible. These tribal
[00:32:32] members once silenced victims. They wept
[00:32:35] with gratitude at the chance for their
[00:32:37] truth to be aired here at OMG.
[00:32:39] emboldened. They provided recordings,
[00:32:41] many of these, to our journalists here.
[00:32:44] And the act of their fearless truth
[00:32:46] turned their victimhood into a
[00:32:48] warriorhood, attempting to restore their
[00:32:51] stolen sovereignty. And they've thanked
[00:32:53] me, and they've thanked my reporters for
[00:32:55] providing a platform in which their
[00:32:56] voices could finally be heard. Now,
[00:32:59] we're going to take a few messages away,
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[00:37:29] >> Okay, we're back at the Price is My Life
[00:37:32] coming off of these new tribal
[00:37:35] interviews and we have OMG correspondent
[00:37:38] new to the team, Mike Casey. Uh Mike
[00:37:41] Casey was in Undercover in New York and
[00:37:43] we're going to get to your reporting on
[00:37:44] the New York election and the New Jersey
[00:37:46] election. and you went undercover to
[00:37:47] expose uh the nonprofit that we exposed
[00:37:50] in the film line in the sand. Before we
[00:37:52] get to that footage, your reaction to
[00:37:53] this all these tribal clips and the 8day
[00:37:56] fraud that you've witnessed.
[00:37:57] >> Who would have thought the deep state
[00:37:59] runs so deep it has its tentacles around
[00:38:01] Native American tribes? Who would have
[00:38:03] thought that? And what I noticed in
[00:38:05] particular is Mr. Kurt said he's a
[00:38:07] member of the tribe. He said there's a
[00:38:08] board that he didn't even know of.
[00:38:10] There's several boards didn't even know
[00:38:11] of. How many boards in your local
[00:38:13] communities or in your state or counties
[00:38:15] that you don't know about? These
[00:38:16] government boards that are having these
[00:38:18] multi-million dollar deals that are in
[00:38:20] the dark. That's what the deep state
[00:38:22] really is. And if it wasn't for James
[00:38:23] O'Keeffe and these reporters OMG
[00:38:25] exposing this, how many other minority
[00:38:28] groups are being taken advantage right
[00:38:29] now? How many nonprofits are having all
[00:38:31] these uh the money, you know, being
[00:38:33] exploited?
[00:38:34] >> You know, I I don't like like the people
[00:38:35] in the tape said, they didn't even know
[00:38:38] that these groups existed. They said
[00:38:40] that. That's right. And and by the way,
[00:38:42] Elon Musk, speaking of the deep state,
[00:38:44] he retweeted your story. He reposted
[00:38:47] your the video that you recorded. Um,
[00:38:50] what accent was that that you used when
[00:38:52] you went undercover in New York?
[00:38:53] >> Well, Elon's an immigrant. I guess I'm
[00:38:54] an illegal immigrant, so I guess we have
[00:38:56] that in common.
[00:38:56] >> You were posing as an illegal immigrant.
[00:38:58] >> Yes. I I have no idea what accent I was
[00:39:00] supposed to be, frankly. I just thought
[00:39:01] on the spot. There was I've gotten
[00:39:03] people messaging me saying, "Was that
[00:39:04] Jamaican? Was that Australian? Was that
[00:39:07] Indian? Was that
[00:39:07] >> Was that vote? I want to vote. I went
[00:39:09] through I don't know if that's that's
[00:39:10] Dutch or South African, but we have the
[00:39:13] clip. Let's let's roll the clip uh from
[00:39:15] New York City.
[00:39:17] >> Uh from New York City. This is from
[00:39:19] Michael Casey undercover in New York
[00:39:22] exposing just set up for the audience
[00:39:24] what you were exposing.
[00:39:25] >> I was exposing Pedro Rodriguez, this
[00:39:27] nonprofit, Alah Hernada, which you
[00:39:29] previously exposed.
[00:39:30] >> And he's has a different location now.
[00:39:32] >> Yep. He moved same pl same location. No,
[00:39:34] different location, same name though,
[00:39:36] >> from Queens to another part of Queens.
[00:39:38] >> Yep. He moved it down the strip about 15
[00:39:39] minutes away, different location, but
[00:39:41] the same name, same group, same people,
[00:39:43] same everything. And he was helping who
[00:39:44] he believed to be an illegal alien, find
[00:39:47] a voting location. He gave me the the
[00:39:49] address of his church to put down as the
[00:39:51] voting as the address.
[00:39:53] >> Let's see the clip again.
[00:39:55] >> Yes. Uh I
[00:39:57] sent me here to vote. I was recommended
[00:39:59] to come here to to find information to
[00:40:01] vote.
[00:40:03] >> Sorry.
[00:40:03] >> When did you register to vote?
[00:40:05] >> I I did not I I I didn't sign anything.
[00:40:07] and they told me to come here to meet
[00:40:08] >> okay to vote too. Okay. But uh you know
[00:40:14] they got to know
[00:40:16] >> this Michael Casey.
[00:40:17] >> All right. So So they to he told you who
[00:40:19] to vote for which as a nonprofit he's
[00:40:23] not allowed to do because it's a 501c3
[00:40:26] under the registered charity laws. So he
[00:40:27] kind of did that kind of secretly.
[00:40:29] >> And how how much time did you spend with
[00:40:31] him in in the office?
[00:40:32] >> I spent about 15 minutes there. You know
[00:40:34] I I walked in. I was trying to find some
[00:40:36] information. We weren't sure if you're
[00:40:37] in the right place or not cuz it's a
[00:40:38] different address. But I saw him. He was
[00:40:40] wearing the same blue shirt from when
[00:40:41] you first encountered him.
[00:40:42] >> Exact same
[00:40:42] >> same blue shirt, same tie, too. I
[00:40:44] believe
[00:40:45] >> from my confrontation.
[00:40:46] >> So, I immediately sprung into action. I
[00:40:47] just thought of an accent on the spot. I
[00:40:49] think the real crime is the fact that he
[00:40:50] fell for that accent and didn't even
[00:40:52] notice that I dropped it midway through.
[00:40:53] That's the real crime, I think, this
[00:40:55] whole thing. Not to mention the several
[00:40:56] other crimes, helping legal aliens vote,
[00:40:58] the nonprofit status, helping out
[00:41:00] candidates. You're not supposed to do
[00:41:01] any of that. And it's so brazen that he
[00:41:04] just within minutes counsels you. Do you
[00:41:07] have another clip from New York City and
[00:41:09] some of the reporting that Casey did on
[00:41:11] the ground
[00:41:13] exposing?
[00:41:13] >> O'Keefe Media Group reporting from New
[00:41:15] York City just before Halloween. And the
[00:41:17] only thing scarier than all the ghosts
[00:41:18] and the goblins and this rain this
[00:41:21] Halloween.
[00:41:22] >> I think it was one of the other clips in
[00:41:23] the polling location. Do we have that?
[00:41:29] Uh that that's actually me in there with
[00:41:31] you. Uh I actually went in there with
[00:41:33] you with a wig. The same wig that we
[00:41:35] used on the rancheria if you want to
[00:41:37] play some of that footage.
[00:41:43] That's me. Pause. So that's me going in
[00:41:45] with you getting camera B. Actually
[00:41:48] recording this myself and we actually
[00:41:50] confronted Pedro. Do we have that?
[00:41:55] >> Um these two had questions as well.
[00:41:57] >> Yeah. I remember me.
[00:42:00] >> You are a bunch of thieves and criminals
[00:42:02] and liars.
[00:42:03] >> Pause. So, this is the guy from Line in
[00:42:05] the Sand that we exposed that he was
[00:42:07] stamping fake addresses and giving them
[00:42:10] to anybody so they could have a personal
[00:42:12] address. He even I gave him my name
[00:42:14] minus one vowel and he gave and now I'm
[00:42:17] a resident of Woodside, Queens, New
[00:42:18] York. [laughter]
[00:42:20] And this was in the film. And this is
[00:42:21] the same guy that just they there's no
[00:42:24] accountability and they just start it
[00:42:25] up. So, keep going yet.
[00:42:29] Yeah. Which one do you think?
[00:42:30] >> I I just I said it. So camera. Yeah.
[00:42:33] >> Just like the scheme with the documents
[00:42:35] from last year. Remember
[00:42:37] >> I steal children. How many people steal
[00:42:39] children? I steal children. We're
[00:42:40] investigative reporters.
[00:42:42] >> How am I How AM I STEALING CHILDREN?
[00:42:45] >> WHY?
[00:42:45] >> YES.
[00:42:46] >> I don't know.
[00:42:47] >> He's claiming I steal children.
[00:42:50] >> Now, there's one of three theories about
[00:42:53] why he said that. Number one, he's
[00:42:54] projecting to his parishioners. He's
[00:42:56] saying, "This guy's the devil. Let me
[00:42:58] just say a bunch of crazy stuff." Number
[00:43:01] two, he's projecting onto me what he's
[00:43:04] doing, which he steals children. Um or
[00:43:08] he's just nuts. I mean, which of those
[00:43:10] three do you think it is?
[00:43:11] >> Well, do you notice when we confronted
[00:43:13] him, you know, he projected again cuz he
[00:43:15] cuz when we walked in, he said, "You're
[00:43:17] in you entered here illegally." Now, if
[00:43:19] an illegal alien enters the country
[00:43:20] illegally, he helps them vote, helps
[00:43:22] them get fake addresses. But if Vtor is
[00:43:23] nonprofit illegally, then he freaks out
[00:43:25] and calls the law enforcement. That's
[00:43:27] another sign of projection. Whenever
[00:43:29] someone commits a crime or whenever he
[00:43:30] commits a crime, he projects it onto
[00:43:32] somebody else.
[00:43:33] >> I mean, it's it's all a form of
[00:43:35] projection and gaslighting. It's a huge
[00:43:37] problem in American society, the amount
[00:43:38] of gaslighting. Speaking of gaslighting,
[00:43:41] we will show you my conversations with
[00:43:44] journalists at the New Yorker and
[00:43:46] Columbia Journalism Review, which are I
[00:43:48] think are funny. I'll let you be the
[00:43:50] judge of that here in a moment. Um, any
[00:43:52] other footage from the New York City
[00:43:54] elections? I think we have some clips
[00:43:55] that we the polling locations. Do we
[00:43:58] have that? And and some most of these
[00:44:01] places, Mike, you visited these polls.
[00:44:03] Were they honest? Were the polling
[00:44:04] locations in New York City honest?
[00:44:06] >> I'll give credit where it's credit is
[00:44:07] due. I will visited three burrows,
[00:44:10] Manhattan, the Bronx, and Queens at
[00:44:12] polling locations. And at pretty much
[00:44:14] all of them, they were by the book.
[00:44:16] They, you know, they gave me a lot of
[00:44:18] Ivo voted stickers, but they I didn't
[00:44:19] get as far enough to vote. I didn't uh
[00:44:21] get to do anything illegal, which uh
[00:44:22] which I chose not to do. And they all
[00:44:25] confirmed that everything that Pedro was
[00:44:27] doing was wrong, illegal, and at at at
[00:44:29] best just stupid.
[00:44:31] >> How many polling locations did you
[00:44:32] visit?
[00:44:32] >> About five.
[00:44:33] >> Five. I I think it might be a good idea
[00:44:36] for citizen journalists to do this every
[00:44:38] election to expose electioneering. And
[00:44:40] and I understand there are certain laws
[00:44:42] that prohibit recording, etc., but
[00:44:44] certain jurisdictions you can. And I
[00:44:46] think that'd be a good assignment for
[00:44:47] us. and and you also worked with Scott
[00:44:50] on the New Jersey elections.
[00:44:51] >> Yep.
[00:44:51] >> So the outcome of the Jersey election,
[00:44:54] Democrat won, Democrat won in New York.
[00:44:56] Your political analysis on the situation
[00:44:59] in New York and New Jersey.
[00:45:00] >> My political analysis is I I thought
[00:45:02] Montan was going to win by much more. I
[00:45:04] thought that he was going to blow it out
[00:45:05] of the water. I was surprised Andrew
[00:45:06] Cuomo kept him so close. I guess the
[00:45:09] Andrew Cuomo's affinity for attractive
[00:45:11] women definitely sealed the deal for him
[00:45:13] and closed the gap a little bit. New
[00:45:15] Jersey, unfortunately, was a real loss,
[00:45:17] unfortunately. You know, we both know
[00:45:18] New Jersey very well. We love New
[00:45:19] Jersey. It's our uh it's our home, I
[00:45:21] guess. Our our origin story there. Um
[00:45:25] >> we're both from the same Bergen County.
[00:45:27] >> Exactly. You know, unfortunately, they
[00:45:29] gaslit a lot of people in New Jersey
[00:45:31] into believing that our candidate was uh
[00:45:33] you know, a crazy extremist who's going
[00:45:35] to raise taxes and you know, ban this
[00:45:37] and ban that. And sadly, that we don't
[00:45:39] have a real media apparatus in many
[00:45:41] parts of this country. There's no OMG
[00:45:44] across the country of what we do here.
[00:45:46] So, it's the people fall for the social
[00:45:48] engineering and fall for the propaganda,
[00:45:50] unfortunately.
[00:45:51] >> Well, we need to change that, Mike. We
[00:45:53] need to have dozens of citizen reporters
[00:45:55] in New Jersey. I when I went to New
[00:45:56] Jersey during the election of 2024, I
[00:45:59] was struck by how incredible it was to
[00:46:01] see the lines of 600 people in South
[00:46:03] Jersey, which is like very Republican
[00:46:05] area. They were not afraid to stand
[00:46:07] there for hours. Um, uh, have any other
[00:46:10] clip? So, a clip from this polling
[00:46:11] location. Let's play the clip. Sorry.
[00:46:12] >> Do you need to be a citizen to vote or
[00:46:15] >> I don't think you need to be a citizen.
[00:46:17] You need to be a resident.
[00:46:19] >> Okay.
[00:46:19] >> All righty. But the application will
[00:46:21] tell you.
[00:46:22] >> I may be wrong.
[00:46:24] >> Yeah. Just cuz I've only been here a few
[00:46:26] weeks. I don't I don't know.
[00:46:28] >> And I don't
[00:46:29] >> You don't need to be a a United States
[00:46:31] citizen. You only need to be a New York
[00:46:34] City resident. They told you.
[00:46:35] >> That's what they told me. I will give
[00:46:37] this woman credit though. She did take
[00:46:38] out the form and you know the rest of
[00:46:40] the clip. uh she looked at the form and
[00:46:42] showed me and I and I actually taught
[00:46:44] her something cuz she had realized
[00:46:45] herself that she was wrong in that in
[00:46:47] herself.
[00:46:47] >> These are uneducated people.
[00:46:49] >> Yeah, but that's the person who's run
[00:46:50] the poll location the entire day. So,
[00:46:52] the fact that she just learned that in
[00:46:53] that moment, what does that tell you
[00:46:55] that did somebody did somebody else come
[00:46:56] in before and just do it?
[00:46:58] >> Yeah, we were able to corroborate that a
[00:47:00] couple illegal immigrants, they don't
[00:47:01] get they get kind of get through the
[00:47:04] system uh because it's they're supposed
[00:47:06] to take them out, but they get through.
[00:47:09] Uh, keep playing this pole worker that
[00:47:10] was secretly recorded by OMG
[00:47:12] correspondent
[00:47:13] >> Mike asks for citizenship.
[00:47:17] >> Does it say it must register? You must
[00:47:20] be a US citizen 18 years old.
[00:47:23] >> Yeah. So you're not a citizen then you
[00:47:26] can't vote.
[00:47:27] >> Oh okay.
[00:47:28] >> So when you become a citizen then you
[00:47:30] can register to vote. Okay. Well, you
[00:47:34] fill that out and um you need to do it
[00:47:36] like within 10 weeks so he can get
[00:47:38] registered into this.
[00:47:40] >> This is the guy that that I spoke with
[00:47:42] and I asked him, you know, do you know,
[00:47:44] can you tell me who to vote for this
[00:47:46] electioneering in in any election when
[00:47:48] someone there inside the booth tells you
[00:47:51] who to vote for? And this guy didn't
[00:47:52] fall for it. He was pretty pretty honest
[00:47:54] broker. I think he unlike the government
[00:47:57] subcontractors that receive hundreds of
[00:47:58] millions of dollars, this minimum wage
[00:48:02] poleworking employee realized that the
[00:48:05] to pay was pretty absurd. Roll clip.
[00:48:08] >> The election though, so I feel kind of
[00:48:10] ignorant, you know, so I don't I don't
[00:48:11] know.
[00:48:12] >> Correct. Well, if you're not registered,
[00:48:13] you can't vote anyway, so it doesn't
[00:48:14] really matter whether you know anything
[00:48:15] or not.
[00:48:16] >> Not to be rude.
[00:48:17] >> The pastor said to vote for the guy with
[00:48:19] the M.
[00:48:21] >> The pastor Hornada, Miss Mr. Rodriguez.
[00:48:24] Who's that?
[00:48:25] >> Uh, Pedro Rodriguez.
[00:48:26] >> I think pastors should stick to God.
[00:48:28] >> Pause. I think pastors should stick
[00:48:31] stick to God. A little bit of a a little
[00:48:34] bit of anti-religious remark, but he was
[00:48:36] he was uh seemed like a pretty honest
[00:48:38] broker.
[00:48:39] >> Yeah, it's good to see at least some
[00:48:40] some people in our elections bureaus
[00:48:43] have some integrity left in them. I
[00:48:45] think we need a complete citizen
[00:48:47] journalism forensic audit of all polling
[00:48:50] locations to determine what percentage
[00:48:53] of New York City and New Jersey polling
[00:48:58] locations will give you electioneering.
[00:49:00] Is it 5%? I would like to see the
[00:49:02] comments. Uh team, if you could tell me
[00:49:04] what the comments think. Is it 5%
[00:49:06] electioneering? 10% 20% 50%. It's
[00:49:09] there's going to be some honest ones.
[00:49:10] Let's call it at least 50% are honest.
[00:49:13] But even if you have 10 or 20% of
[00:49:15] electioneering or the 2% okay 2% are
[00:49:18] electioneering, right? It's at least 2%.
[00:49:22] I don't know what the answer is. It's
[00:49:24] more than 2% less% of
[00:49:26] >> it's a lot of votes.
[00:49:27] >> Yeah. Even just there's a sea of
[00:49:28] millions of people.
[00:49:29] >> We need a full citizen journalism
[00:49:31] forensic audit come next elections and
[00:49:35] we're going to we're going to have a
[00:49:36] ground swelling of and of course they're
[00:49:38] going to try to use the legal issues and
[00:49:40] 10 to 20%. Now now that's more like it.
[00:49:42] The comments are saying 10 to 20%. I
[00:49:44] think that's about right. If I were to
[00:49:46] ask people in Queens and Atoria or or
[00:49:48] Manhattan, who should I vote for? I
[00:49:51] think 10 to 20% would say vote for
[00:49:52] Mandami.
[00:49:53] >> And that's what you found Mr. Laurona
[00:49:55] doing.
[00:49:56] >> Yeah. And and that woman, you know, not
[00:49:57] to pick on her, but that woman we showed
[00:49:59] in the first clip of the poll worker,
[00:50:00] you know, you know, she was in Manhattan
[00:50:02] near Midtown, you know, credit where
[00:50:04] it's due, she admitted she was wrong in
[00:50:06] the end and corrected herself. But up
[00:50:07] until I pointed that out, me the illegal
[00:50:09] immigrant pointed that out that you know
[00:50:11] on reading the forum, she didn't even
[00:50:13] know you could you didn't have to be you
[00:50:14] had to be a citizen to vote. She wasn't
[00:50:15] even sure about that. And she's a pole
[00:50:17] worker. So what are they teaching these
[00:50:18] pole workers? What are these class?
[00:50:19] Because every pork has to have a porker
[00:50:21] class. What are they teaching you in
[00:50:23] this class? So much so this pole worker
[00:50:25] didn't even know herself. Some did
[00:50:27] credit, but she didn't know. And one
[00:50:29] thing to note too, James, is Pedro was
[00:50:31] was when he was you have to have an
[00:50:33] address to vote. You have to have a home
[00:50:34] address to go to cert
[00:50:35] >> which he stamps the the the paperwork
[00:50:37] with fake address.
[00:50:38] >> Well, for me, he was type defining my
[00:50:40] poll my my polling location as an
[00:50:42] illegal immigrant to go vote at. Um he
[00:50:45] was putting in the address of his
[00:50:46] church. So, I'm interested to see how
[00:50:48] many people have voted from that church,
[00:50:51] the nonprofit address.
[00:50:52] >> Well, that that is something to follow.
[00:50:55] Where are they now? We've always wanted
[00:50:56] to do where are they now? The call-in
[00:50:58] live number 8647139868.
[00:51:01] That's 864-7139868.
[00:51:05] That's not even our signal number, which
[00:51:07] is for sources. And the people who have
[00:51:10] an actual tip or a source that want to
[00:51:14] call in and talk about it will give you
[00:51:16] priority. We will be right back after
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[00:54:19] All right, the latest um artic, if
[00:54:21] you're just joining us, we've gone over
[00:54:23] the Susanville Rancheria fraud, the New
[00:54:26] York City elections electioneering fraud
[00:54:29] by Pedro Rodriguez, and now we're going
[00:54:32] to talk about the mainstream media. I
[00:54:34] wouldn't call it fraud. I would call it
[00:54:35] something. We'll let you be the judge.
[00:54:38] The New Yorker magazine, if we can throw
[00:54:40] that link up on the screen, did a big
[00:54:42] profile on Laura Loomer,
[00:54:45] who I hired at Project Veritas and New
[00:54:48] Yorker magazine. Well, the fact uh we
[00:54:51] have a quote from the New Yorker
[00:54:53] magazine. This is from Laura Loomer's
[00:54:55] Endless Payback.
[00:54:57] And I'm going to read you the coverage
[00:55:00] from the New Yorker magazine before we
[00:55:02] cut to my recording with the reporter
[00:55:04] staff writer at the New York New Yorker
[00:55:06] Antonio Hitchens is her name. Staff
[00:55:09] writer New Yorker. But from the actual
[00:55:13] article at the New Yorker interviewing
[00:55:16] Laura Loomer and asked me what I think
[00:55:18] about Laura Loomer. Now Laura Loomer is
[00:55:20] like a sister to me. She's someone I've
[00:55:22] known for a long time. Do we have the
[00:55:25] article? Can we throw it up on the
[00:55:26] screen? New Yorker magazine and I'll go
[00:55:30] ahead and send it to my production team
[00:55:31] right now. Um, they asked me about Laura
[00:55:34] Loomer
[00:55:35] and trying to get in dirt trying to get
[00:55:39] information [gasps] and they ended up in
[00:55:42] this fact check in this factchecking
[00:55:45] email. Maybe we can just pull up the
[00:55:46] fact email. They they call me a
[00:55:47] right-wing extremist or something like
[00:55:49] that. You are the founder of Project
[00:55:50] Veraritoss, which is a far-right
[00:55:52] undercover journal. Far right? What the
[00:55:55] hell does that even mean? Far right?
[00:55:58] What? What? What if anything that I've
[00:56:00] ever said, not even on this show, but in
[00:56:02] my life, constitutes a far right? This
[00:56:05] is a fact checker, Alex Brady.
[00:56:08] So, we call Alex Brady the fact checker,
[00:56:12] and be like, "What are you talking
[00:56:14] about?"
[00:56:16] And then
[00:56:18] we call the actual writer
[00:56:22] and the recording you're about to see is
[00:56:24] that conversation which we find very
[00:56:26] entertaining. Go ahead, play the
[00:56:27] >> Well, the fact checker reached out to me
[00:56:29] from New York magazine and said that I
[00:56:31] am the sole founder of Project Veratas,
[00:56:33] which is a far-right undercover
[00:56:35] journalist outlet. I reject the
[00:56:37] characterization and I'd like to know
[00:56:39] from you what evidence that you have
[00:56:42] that the organization I founded is a
[00:56:44] far-right undercover journalism
[00:56:46] organization.
[00:56:49] >> Um, I actually can't really comment on
[00:56:53] what the fact checker asked you because
[00:56:55] I haven't spoken to her, but why don't
[00:56:58] we decide how you want to characterize
[00:57:00] >> Aren't you the writer of the article?
[00:57:02] >> Pause. So, so this is wild. the the fact
[00:57:05] checker is not it's just like a little
[00:57:08] intern thing at the end of the article
[00:57:10] to just check the facts that have
[00:57:11] previously been written and now the
[00:57:12] writer is claiming that no no I I I
[00:57:15] don't even know what this is about that
[00:57:17] just to show you how ridiculous the
[00:57:19] situation is but keep going keep playing
[00:57:21] >> question
[00:57:24] >> uh yes but the fact checker as you know
[00:57:26] sometimes like she might look up some
[00:57:29] kind of definition for something and ask
[00:57:31] about it so
[00:57:32] >> hi there I think your fact checker
[00:57:33] reached out to me. So, do you want to
[00:57:35] talk to me or do you want to talk me
[00:57:37] talk to them?
[00:57:37] >> I I'm the fact checker.
[00:57:39] >> Okay. I do reject the characterization
[00:57:41] that Project Veratas is a far-right um
[00:57:44] journalism outlet. What do you mean by
[00:57:46] far right? Help me understand that.
[00:57:50] >> Um yeah, that's Antonia's
[00:57:52] characterization. Okay. Um she felt her
[00:57:55] coverage aligns with that label.
[00:57:57] >> I would have to talk to her about um
[00:58:00] what led her to decide to use that
[00:58:02] language. Yeah, I don't I don't agree
[00:58:03] with that. I'll call her. The fact
[00:58:05] checker is just relaying your reporting
[00:58:07] to me and I'm telling you that I reject
[00:58:11] the characterization that the
[00:58:12] organization is far right.
[00:58:14] >> But maybe a better way to put it is what
[00:58:16] led you to say that?
[00:58:20] >> Um, I'm imagining that that came from
[00:58:26] previous
[00:58:28] descriptions used in the New Yorker.
[00:58:30] Yeah, [snorts] that's Antonia's
[00:58:33] characterization.
[00:58:34] >> Who wrote that? Was that you? Was that
[00:58:37] your colleague? Was that an intern?
[00:58:40] >> It seems like we had some crosswires
[00:58:43] here. You and I have not yet had the
[00:58:44] chance to speak. So, fact-checking
[00:58:47] things that you haven't said to me is
[00:58:49] not helpful. Why don't we have you
[00:58:51] describe to me how you see your
[00:58:53] organization and then we can go from
[00:58:55] there so we can just move forward.
[00:58:58] investigative journalism organization.
[00:59:01] Just
[00:59:01] >> an investigative journalism
[00:59:04] undercover
[00:59:06] outlet. I think that's
[00:59:08] >> sure
[00:59:08] >> more descriptive. Um
[00:59:10] >> far right.
[00:59:12] >> You know, it's it's challenging for me
[00:59:14] because I want to talk to you. It's just
[00:59:16] that these sorts of like little digs,
[00:59:19] you understand what I'm saying? They're
[00:59:20] little digs.
[00:59:22] >> They're little They're like little
[00:59:23] knives. It's like, let me turn, you
[00:59:25] know, let me try to discredit and and
[00:59:27] and I don't know who is the person in
[00:59:29] charge that that does this, but had I
[00:59:32] not called you, you would have you would
[00:59:34] have gone to print with far right.
[00:59:37] >> Maybe there was an article in the New
[00:59:38] Yorker eight years ago that used that
[00:59:40] term.
[00:59:41] >> So, it's like the circular it's it's
[00:59:43] kind of like a pattern of propaganda. I
[00:59:46] was going to say circle jerk, but that's
[00:59:47] not appropriate. Uh, so it's kind of
[00:59:49] like a circular pattern of propaganda
[00:59:52] where we cite something that isn't true
[00:59:54] repeatedly and source it and then it
[00:59:56] appears in the New Yorker magazine,
[00:59:59] right?
[01:00:03] Hello.
[01:00:03] >> Do you want to communicate directly to
[01:00:06] me how you want to describe your
[01:00:07] organization?
[01:00:08] >> I think that's I think that's asked and
[01:00:10] answered. I think we did we did so a few
[01:00:12] minutes ago.
[01:00:13] >> Okay. Can you get back to me on what led
[01:00:15] you to what led Alex Brady, the fact
[01:00:18] checker, to
[01:00:20] >> say that I'm a far-right journalist?
[01:00:25] >> I can ask her about that for sure.
[01:00:28] >> Yeah, that's Antonia's characterization.
[01:00:33] >> Can we just jump on a three-way?
[01:00:36] Um,
[01:00:38] >> I can't do that this second because I
[01:00:41] have to get off the train to New York,
[01:00:42] but okay.
[01:00:43] >> I think that we've kind of reached the
[01:00:45] end of the usefulness of the far right
[01:00:49] >> debacle. I think we probably agree that
[01:00:50] it's an overused term that gets thrown
[01:00:52] around. And
[01:00:53] >> I just I just have one more question for
[01:00:55] you. Can you name anything that I've
[01:00:57] done in my life that would make me far
[01:01:00] to the right? Anything at all?
[01:01:07] I'm not using the term far right to
[01:01:09] describe you and so I just I don't see
[01:01:12] the usefulness of continuing this
[01:01:15] discussion. But
[01:01:16] >> I I I hear you. It's just here's what
[01:01:18] let me I'm I'm just going to
[01:01:20] >> pursue that digression. So [laughter]
[01:01:23] the the issue is that what led you to
[01:01:27] say it in the first place though because
[01:01:28] it's not really something that you need
[01:01:30] to get from me. It's a characterization.
[01:01:32] It's a it's a it's a description. If
[01:01:35] you're unable to answer for me, if you
[01:01:37] ever have witnessed anything in your
[01:01:38] entire career, if you've never seen
[01:01:41] anything I've said or done that's
[01:01:42] rightwing, I I I would like to better
[01:01:44] understand the psychology of the
[01:01:46] mainstream media
[01:01:47] >> that would lead you to to say that
[01:01:50] because honestly, I'm not I'm not a
[01:01:51] far-right person. I'm a pretty
[01:01:53] >> Yeah.
[01:01:53] >> pretty straight as an arrow factually. I
[01:01:57] approach I take this very seriously. I
[01:01:58] take what I do very seriously. We've
[01:02:01] spent
[01:02:02] 25 minutes on the phone. Most of it um
[01:02:05] you being heard about how we've
[01:02:08] corrected a characterization of you that
[01:02:10] you disagreed with.
[01:02:12] >> Okay. Thank you so much.
[01:02:14] >> Um thank you.
[01:02:17] >> There you have it. Um Hutch Hutchkins
[01:02:19] Hitchens
[01:02:22] Antonia Hitchens. You could just you
[01:02:25] could just kind of the way they talk.
[01:02:28] It's their cadence. It's their It's
[01:02:31] their weird voice that they have. Um
[01:02:35] pretentious sort of circular I call it a
[01:02:38] circle jerk. Um a more appropriate
[01:02:41] politically correct way would be to put
[01:02:42] it circular messaging where they say
[01:02:45] something false and then other people
[01:02:46] cite it. So you have to do this type of
[01:02:48] thing. If you're watching this is what
[01:02:49] you have to do. Um my correspondent Mike
[01:02:52] Casey, your reaction to that
[01:02:53] unbelievable phone call with the New
[01:02:54] Yorker.
[01:02:55] >> The hunter became the hunted. You know,
[01:02:57] she thought she didn't get you in a
[01:02:58] gotcha moment after Laura Loomer, but
[01:03:01] she didn't realize who she was dealing
[01:03:02] with. She was dealing with the two
[01:03:04] greatest journalists the world has seen
[01:03:06] in modern history, Laura Loomer and
[01:03:07] James O'Keefe. She's a she spoon feeds
[01:03:10] corporate slop to in propaganda to the
[01:03:13] masses opposing as a journalist. And she
[01:03:15] thought she had one up on you, but the
[01:03:17] hunter became the hunted.
[01:03:19] >> The hunter became the hunter.
[01:03:20] >> Got her good. She didn't see it coming.
[01:03:21] She was a deer in the headlight. She
[01:03:22] didn't see it coming at all.
[01:03:23] >> And I think that the New Yorker did not.
[01:03:25] They came out with the article. They did
[01:03:27] not use far-right descriptions, but we
[01:03:30] can't pull up the article because it's
[01:03:31] behind a payw wall, but suffice to say.
[01:03:34] Now, moving on to the next subject, the
[01:03:36] Colombia Journalism Review. By the way,
[01:03:39] if you're watching this um and you want
[01:03:42] to learn how to do the citizen
[01:03:43] journalism, okefemed.com,
[01:03:46] you can become a member and you can
[01:03:48] subscribe to the O'Keeffe Academy where
[01:03:50] you learn how to do foyers, you learn
[01:03:51] how to do undercover work, you learn how
[01:03:52] to do the sort of elicitation
[01:03:54] techniques. But we have this gala on
[01:03:56] Thursday, Thursday evening. It's going
[01:03:58] to be unbelievable.
[01:03:59] Citizenjournalistgala.com.
[01:04:01] And the Colombia Journalism Review wants
[01:04:04] to talk to me about it. So I get a call
[01:04:05] and I take the call. And do we have that
[01:04:07] clip?
[01:04:09] >> Uh, do you have any
[01:04:09] >> Here we go. This is me speaking to the
[01:04:11] Colombia Journalism Review. What's his
[01:04:13] name?
[01:04:14] >> Amos Bashard, Colombia Journalism
[01:04:17] Review. Here we go.
[01:04:19] >> Uh, do you have any any questions? um
[01:04:21] you know about myself or or CGR um that
[01:04:23] I can
[01:04:23] >> Well, my team is concerned you're going
[01:04:25] to write a nasty article and not be fair
[01:04:28] to us. So, what do you think about that?
[01:04:31] >> Um no, I understand. Of course, I'm
[01:04:33] sympathetic to um anyone who, you know,
[01:04:36] speaks to reporters uh in a context and
[01:04:38] I I know it could be like a vulnerable a
[01:04:41] vulnerable thing. Um
[01:04:42] >> Oh, I've been I've been through
[01:04:43] everything. I've been arrested, raided,
[01:04:45] sued. I'm I'm not afraid to be
[01:04:47] vulnerable.
[01:04:50] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, of course.
[01:04:52] Yeah. Yeah.
[01:04:53] >> What do you think about what I what the
[01:04:54] work we do, the undercover journalism,
[01:04:56] and did you see the recent stories
[01:04:57] involving the SBA and the suspension of
[01:05:00] contracts and the Treasury Department
[01:05:02] and
[01:05:04] >> journal has reported on this and credit
[01:05:06] to the Wall Street Journal, the Treasury
[01:05:07] Secretary, the SBA. No, no, I I don't
[01:05:09] think any major media has reported this.
[01:05:11] Is extraordinary series of events that
[01:05:14] that this program has been defunded. the
[01:05:17] the SBA is suspending contracts and
[01:05:19] auditing 9 billion
[01:05:22] and if you did not follow social media
[01:05:25] and you only read the New York Times and
[01:05:27] the Columbia Journalism Review and CNN,
[01:05:29] you wouldn't know about it. So, we asked
[01:05:30] the Columbia Journalism Review guy about
[01:05:32] this and let's see what he says.
[01:05:33] >> Journalism and did you see the recent
[01:05:34] stories involving the SBA and the
[01:05:37] suspension of contracts and the Treasury
[01:05:39] Department and
[01:05:40] >> and and I tell you passroughs are a
[01:05:42] great thing as well.
[01:05:43] >> Yeah, passroughs.
[01:05:46] undercover and the ridiculous wig uh
[01:05:48] exposing the corruption and the lies.
[01:05:51] >> Um I I haven't had a chance to like
[01:05:53] delve in to the to the extent that I'd
[01:05:55] like to, but um I I have been keeping up
[01:05:58] and and reading up um kind of in
[01:06:00] preparation for this. Of course, our
[01:06:02] goal is to provide fair coverage
[01:06:04] >> reporting. How long have you been an
[01:06:05] investigative reporter?
[01:06:06] >> I'm not an investigative reporter. I'm
[01:06:08] uh yeah, I'm just I'm a staff writer
[01:06:10] here at at CJR. I've been here about two
[01:06:12] months. What's your favorite
[01:06:13] investigative report that we've done
[01:06:15] here at OMG?
[01:06:17] >> Um, I I I'm sorry I don't have uh I
[01:06:20] could I could if if you have I could be
[01:06:22] happy to kind of get back to you with
[01:06:25] >> Why does a guy like call me and never
[01:06:27] watch a single thing that we've done.
[01:06:31] By the way, that's a question I ask
[01:06:32] prospective employees. Can you name our
[01:06:35] favorite video? And they always say
[01:06:36] Fizer. It's like that's not that's not
[01:06:37] even an OMG video. That was Project
[01:06:39] Paradox video. But it was a great one.
[01:06:41] Okay, keep going. She's like, "I'm
[01:06:43] sorry. I wasn't prepared. I will say I'm
[01:06:46] an expert."
[01:06:46] >> You don't need to be an expert to be
[01:06:48] able to recount one thing that you've
[01:06:51] seen that you like.
[01:06:52] >> I would say I'm I'm kind of more in that
[01:06:55] in a traditional mold where I try not to
[01:06:57] express opinion one way or the other.
[01:06:59] Me, too. Me, too.
[01:07:00] >> Yeah. No, totally.
[01:07:02] >> Well, I'm interested in having you
[01:07:03] report on it. I'm interested in having
[01:07:04] you you you there. Have you ever been to
[01:07:07] Trump's Mara Lago?
[01:07:09] >> No. No. No. No. Yeah. That's uh
[01:07:11] interesting. Yeah. Very interested.
[01:07:13] >> You you you need to stay neutral and
[01:07:14] non-biased in your in in your coverage,
[01:07:17] right? [snorts]
[01:07:18] >> Abs. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. That's
[01:07:19] always that's always the goal.
[01:07:21] >> It's kind of a challenge, isn't it, in
[01:07:22] today's environment.
[01:07:24] >> Absolutely. Absolutely. It is um you
[01:07:27] know, a lot of it is um as I'm sure you
[01:07:29] know um perception, right? Things you
[01:07:31] can't control.
[01:07:32] >> Everyone wants to have an opinion about
[01:07:34] everything. Sometimes it's important to
[01:07:35] say I don't know. I don't know the
[01:07:36] answer to that. I [clears throat] I'm
[01:07:38] from the Andrew Breitbart tradition of
[01:07:39] just, you know, let let everyone watch
[01:07:41] what we're doing and report on it.
[01:07:43] >> You know, a lot of concern from people
[01:07:45] here that you're going to write a hit
[01:07:46] piece.
[01:07:47] >> No, I I understand. Yeah. Um
[01:07:50] >> the guys label me a right-wing activist,
[01:07:52] and it's just ridiculous. I mean, I'm
[01:07:53] not a right-wing activist. I don't think
[01:07:55] that's a fair characterization of the
[01:07:57] work that we do here.
[01:07:58] >> I didn't write that. Uh so, I can't
[01:08:00] defend that specific uh piece. I haven't
[01:08:03] I don't know specifically the one you're
[01:08:05] um thinking of. Well, it's just like
[01:08:06] right-wing extremist. I don't even know
[01:08:07] what that means. Right-wing extremist.
[01:08:09] What does that mean? Right. You know,
[01:08:11] >> it could mean a lot of different things.
[01:08:12] Yeah.
[01:08:12] >> I will hold you accountable if you write
[01:08:14] a hit piece.
[01:08:16] >> I I understand. And um you know, I can
[01:08:19] assure you that we'll fact check.
[01:08:20] >> This is serious stuff we're talking
[01:08:22] about here.
[01:08:23] >> Mhm.
[01:08:24] >> I agree. My plan is to cover the gala as
[01:08:26] as its own piece. Yeah,
[01:08:28] >> that's my plan. Yeah, that's what I'm
[01:08:30] thinking of. And then from there we can
[01:08:31] of course keep talking about coverage
[01:08:33] because you know my intention isn't to
[01:08:36] come in and just do one piece. It's to
[01:08:38] keep covering this world this scene
[01:08:40] because I'm yeah really interested in
[01:08:41] it.
[01:08:41] >> Also just read that are trying to
[01:08:43] understand the world we live in. I think
[01:08:46] uh would benefit from from from yeah
[01:08:48] learning about these people.
[01:08:50] >> I I'd like to learn more about you.
[01:08:53] [laughter]
[01:08:54] >> Can I interview you for for for OMG? Um,
[01:08:57] I I'll ask my um I'll run by my
[01:09:01] >> How does that How now? Come on. How does
[01:09:03] that work? Come on. I'm giving you a
[01:09:06] ticket which [clears throat] costs me
[01:09:08] money.
[01:09:08] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[01:09:09] >> You know, we got to be transparent.
[01:09:11] >> It's not like not on stage, right? That
[01:09:13] is what we're talking. Just like
[01:09:15] >> I mean, I could give you a shout out
[01:09:17] from the stage. I could say and we have
[01:09:19] someone from the Columbia Journalism
[01:09:20] Review here. [laughter] I could give you
[01:09:22] a shout out and then I could ask you to
[01:09:24] stand up and I could point at you.
[01:09:27] >> Oh, of course I'd want to is important.
[01:09:30] Identify make sure everyone knows
[01:09:32] >> people might throw tomatoes and
[01:09:33] vegetable. No, I'm just kidding. I'm
[01:09:35] just kidding.
[01:09:36] >> I'm ready to duck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm
[01:09:38] wearing I'll bring a raincoat.
[01:09:39] [laughter]
[01:09:40] >> You got to bring a tuxedo though. You
[01:09:41] got to wear a black tie.
[01:09:43] >> Okay. All right. Yeah, that's good to
[01:09:45] know.
[01:09:45] >> They're calling it black tie event at
[01:09:47] the Marago. Black tie. [laughter]
[01:09:50] >> That's good. That's nice. Do you have a
[01:09:51] tuxedo?
[01:09:53] >> I don't, but I will uh definitely
[01:09:55] acquire one.
[01:09:56] >> Are you going to rent or buy?
[01:09:58] >> What do you think?
[01:09:59] >> The only other time I've
[01:10:00] >> It depends upon Do you work out? Do you
[01:10:02] work out? Because if you have broad
[01:10:04] shoulders, sometimes the stuff off the
[01:10:05] rack doesn't fit.
[01:10:07] >> Oh, yeah. No, that's not that's not
[01:10:08] going to be a problem.
[01:10:10] >> From my physique,
[01:10:11] >> I'll put you on the list and you could
[01:10:13] text me your information for the Secret
[01:10:15] Service, name on ID, cell phone, and
[01:10:18] email, and we'll get you in there. Okay.
[01:10:20] All right. [snorts] Thank you.
[01:10:21] >> We'll see you on Thursday. Thank you.
[01:10:22] >> All right. Thanks. Bye.
[01:10:23] >> Bye.
[01:10:24] >> All right. So, we'll give Amos Bashad
[01:10:26] the benefit of the doubt. He'll be
[01:10:27] there. Everyone will be there. Um, you
[01:10:30] know, without accountability, freedom is
[01:10:31] an illusion. And this is a huge story.
[01:10:36] If you're just tuning in, we're wrapping
[01:10:37] up here on the Price is My Life Live.
[01:10:40] We're doing a new format. We
[01:10:42] distributing these video clips from the
[01:10:44] Susanville Indian Rancher. These Native
[01:10:45] American elders who feel they're being
[01:10:47] exploited, being taken advantage of. as
[01:10:49] we continue our undercover investigation
[01:10:51] into waste, fraud, and abuse in the 8A
[01:10:54] program. Suffice to say, I'll never be
[01:10:57] out of work [gasps]
[01:10:58] exposing all of this. And we have
[01:11:01] sources that we're working with right
[01:11:02] now who have sent us a slew of new
[01:11:04] documents. So, we'll get those clips up
[01:11:05] for you out immediately. And um and
[01:11:11] you'll get to see the the Colombia
[01:11:12] Journalism Review at the the Mara Lago.
[01:11:14] What a what an incredible thing I've
[01:11:16] done. We've we've managed to get the CG
[01:11:18] the Colombia journalism people, the
[01:11:21] Trump people, the DOJ people, the Native
[01:11:24] Americans. I mean, it's it's what unites
[01:11:26] us is so much more powerful than what
[01:11:28] divides us, as my friend Laura Logan
[01:11:30] once told me. Um, but Mike, your
[01:11:33] reaction to that?
[01:11:34] >> It's like amateur hour of journalists
[01:11:36] here. I mean, this is the really the new
[01:11:38] generation of journalists between those
[01:11:39] two young ladies and then this guy. You
[01:11:41] know, you have journalists at OMG who
[01:11:43] put their lives on the line, willing to
[01:11:45] sacrifice everything to get a good
[01:11:47] story, the truth out there. But this guy
[01:11:49] was too scared to even tell you if he
[01:11:52] liked any of your stories, what his
[01:11:53] thoughts on your stories were. And if
[01:11:55] he's doing a story on you, he should
[01:11:56] know all of your investigation. He's too
[01:11:58] scared to talk about one. It's fear. And
[01:12:01] why does a And going back to the the
[01:12:02] young woman from earlier, why does a
[01:12:04] journalist need a fact checker? Your
[01:12:06] their jobs as journalists are to be fact
[01:12:08] checkers themselves. Well, to be fair, I
[01:12:10] think these newsrooms, you know, before
[01:12:12] they run something, they have to have
[01:12:14] like this official position that just
[01:12:18] goes line by line to make sure
[01:12:20] everything's correct. But it did seem
[01:12:22] like there was some uh chicainery there
[01:12:24] because she said, "Well, I don't know
[01:12:27] what that's about and I don't know who
[01:12:28] they're all pointing their fingers at
[01:12:29] each other." I'm
[01:12:30] >> not sure I trust a fact checker wears a
[01:12:31] mask in 2025, though. Not Not sure about
[01:12:33] that.
[01:12:34] >> Yes. Um, well, we'll see you at the
[01:12:36] Citizen Journalism Foundation Gala. For
[01:12:38] those of you who are attending, you can
[01:12:39] donate to our nonprofit to fund this
[01:12:41] heroic work. And I'm really excited
[01:12:43] about this event because it's going to
[01:12:45] be an event that honors um people. I've
[01:12:49] been asked many times which famous
[01:12:52] people are coming to the gala and I tell
[01:12:54] them this gala is not for you. And if
[01:12:57] you don't like these types of events, by
[01:12:59] the way, I'm not one who does
[01:13:02] particularly like these types of
[01:13:03] political events, you will like this
[01:13:05] event because you're going to be around
[01:13:06] people who actually do things. And
[01:13:08] they're not big names, but they're big
[01:13:11] men. A celebrity is a big name. A hero
[01:13:15] is a big man. And we're going to honor
[01:13:18] them. And it's going to be quite moving.
[01:13:20] And I'm I'm never been more excited
[01:13:22] about anything in my life actually than
[01:13:24] this Thursday. I'm not exaggerating. And
[01:13:26] I think it'll be a dawn of a new era for
[01:13:29] Citizen Journalism Foundation, which is
[01:13:31] our nonprofit with OMG that funds the
[01:13:34] deep dive investigative reporting. If we
[01:13:37] could just close out the show by playing
[01:13:38] that clip again. This is the Susanville
[01:13:41] Indian Rancheria uh lady that the tease
[01:13:44] clip that you played at the beginning of
[01:13:45] the show. We could just play that very,
[01:13:47] very moving moment. And we're going to
[01:13:49] put all this out for you on X here. Uh
[01:13:51] either
[01:13:53] >> and we have one caller. Play the clip.
[01:13:54] We'll go to the caller and then we'll
[01:13:55] wrap.
[01:13:56] >> To hear how much money that's coming in
[01:13:59] is heartbreaking
[01:14:01] because my grandma has a home on the
[01:14:04] reservation. There's no insulation in
[01:14:06] her house. And here you come, this
[01:14:08] millionaire making money off of us and
[01:14:10] we're here begging, begging for help.
[01:14:13] All the things that were created for us,
[01:14:16] we don't benefit from. All this money
[01:14:19] that you see, we don't benefit a single
[01:14:22] dime from any of that. Why do we have to
[01:14:24] suffer? Why do we our elders have to
[01:14:26] like not have health care? Why why is
[01:14:29] our people struggling when [snorts] when
[01:14:31] we could be we could be millionaires?
[01:14:34] You know,
[01:14:35] >> my personal opinion
[01:14:37] is that they all need to be taken.
[01:14:40] >> All right, there it is. These are the
[01:14:41] Native American tribal elders saying the
[01:14:44] program that was intended to help them
[01:14:47] not helping them. And they want the
[01:14:48] people who are exploiting them to the
[01:14:50] tune of hundreds of millions of dollars
[01:14:51] to go to jail. And those are exclusive
[01:14:53] video interviews filmed by our reporters
[01:14:55] here at OMG. We have one caller.
[01:15:00] Oh, we have a Kennedy is his name wants
[01:15:02] to talk about Pedro. Go ahead. You're
[01:15:04] live. Go ahead.
[01:15:07] >> Hey, James. How are you? This is
[01:15:08] Kennedy. Uh Simbetti. Uh long time
[01:15:11] follower and I respect your work
[01:15:13] tremendously. Um going back to earlier
[01:15:17] when you uh you exposed the pastor
[01:15:21] uh pastor Rodriguez he said oh he's he's
[01:15:23] selling [clears throat] children or he's
[01:15:25] you know stealing children and
[01:15:27] immediately that just struck me as you
[01:15:30] know my spider sense started tingling I
[01:15:31] thought you know what you he didn't know
[01:15:34] what you were there to bust him about he
[01:15:35] didn't know that it was about elections
[01:15:37] and I think that his nervousness it was
[01:15:40] a confession by projection I think that
[01:15:42] what he had to say was one of his like
[01:15:45] root fears. Not to get all
[01:15:46] psychological, but I think definitely
[01:15:49] that guy should be followed or uh
[01:15:52] investigated, follow the money. And also
[01:15:54] the same way he didn't change his shirt,
[01:15:56] he didn't change his tie. All he did was
[01:15:58] move from one location to the next. I
[01:16:00] think that's the MO. When somebody is
[01:16:03] doing something wrong, they don't stop
[01:16:05] what they're doing. They just change the
[01:16:06] location. So, I love your work. Uh I
[01:16:09] [clears throat] wish I was still in New
[01:16:10] York. I would volunteer to help. But I
[01:16:13] think that that guy definitely needs to
[01:16:15] be watched or followed or track where
[01:16:17] the money goes or who his donors are
[01:16:19] because something's up. And um that's my
[01:16:22] >> Yeah, I I appreciate that comment.
[01:16:24] >> I appreciate your comment, Kennedy. And
[01:16:26] I mostly appreciate your willingness to
[01:16:28] go do the thing and people say, "What
[01:16:30] can I do?" That's the obvious question
[01:16:33] everybody always and thank you for the
[01:16:35] call. Everyone always says, "James
[01:16:37] O'Keefe, what can I do?"
[01:16:39] I think a lot of the people asking that
[01:16:41] question want to feel good about asking
[01:16:44] the question to me. Uh unfortunately to
[01:16:47] do the thing requires sacrifice. It
[01:16:49] requires a sacrifice of your time, your
[01:16:51] money and or your reputation has to be
[01:16:55] two of those three. So um you can do
[01:16:58] this and it's very rewarding but it's
[01:17:01] like negative yield investment in
[01:17:02] accounting. It's it's often maybe
[01:17:06] detrimental to us in a material sense,
[01:17:08] but helpful to us in a spiritual sense,
[01:17:10] in a truthful sense, in a societal
[01:17:12] sense. And imagine, and like you said,
[01:17:15] it's it's so true. Pedro Rodriguez
[01:17:17] confession through projection. Just
[01:17:19] throw the image, still image that you
[01:17:21] have on the video there, you know, you
[01:17:23] know, just unbelievable image on screen.
[01:17:25] I'm looking at of him saying that you
[01:17:28] steal children for exposing fake fake
[01:17:32] names on a paper. Um so uh but that is
[01:17:36] all the time we have today for the price
[01:17:38] is my life. Thank you all for tuning in.
[01:17:41] Uh until next week and until next time,
[01:17:44] stay tuned everybody. Take care. This is
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