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[00:00:00] There's a lot going on in the world
[00:00:01] right now, but if you're on social
[00:00:02] media, and of course you are, because
[00:00:04] it's really America's only remaining
[00:00:05] news source, you know there's only one
[00:00:07] story going on, and it's Israel.
[00:00:10] Everyone online is arguing about Israel.
[00:00:13] And really, they fall into one of two
[00:00:16] camps generally speaking. So probably
[00:00:18] the more aggressive side are the
[00:00:20] deranged Taliban level ethnarcissists
[00:00:23] who are telling you that any criticism
[00:00:25] of the secular government of Israel is
[00:00:27] tanamount to blood label against the
[00:00:28] Jewish people.
[00:00:30] And if you think that maybe it was not a
[00:00:32] great idea to arm Joseph Stalin, the
[00:00:35] greatest murderer in history, then
[00:00:36] you're a Holocaust denier. Shut up. And
[00:00:39] then on the other side, a group every
[00:00:42] bit as obsessed with Jews are the people
[00:00:43] who hate Jews who are telling you that
[00:00:46] anyone who's Jewish is bad by virtue of
[00:00:48] being Jewish. It's a blood thing.
[00:00:51] Two things are interesting. One, there
[00:00:52] are very few kind of conventional
[00:00:54] Christian voices saying, "Wait a second,
[00:00:56] this is a secular government." another
[00:00:59] country and it has probably nothing to
[00:01:02] do with my religion or anybody's
[00:01:04] religion. And we should never judge
[00:01:07] people on the basis of their immutable
[00:01:10] qualities because guilt
[00:01:13] and virtue are not passed down
[00:01:14] genetically, but almost no one is saying
[00:01:16] that. So you really have the ethnarcists
[00:01:19] and the anti-semites and they're at war
[00:01:21] with each other. That's the online
[00:01:23] picture. What's even more interesting
[00:01:25] and maybe even more distressing is that
[00:01:28] in the US government the conversation
[00:01:30] while much more muted is a mirror of
[00:01:33] this in that a lot of the conversation
[00:01:35] is about Israel. Israel a tiny country
[00:01:38] in the Middle East not critical to our
[00:01:40] national security by the way but the
[00:01:42] conversation the bandwidth is consumed
[00:01:45] by questions of Israel. So wherever you
[00:01:49] stand on Israel, whether you're on one
[00:01:50] of the two sides just described or
[00:01:52] neither one of them, you know in your
[00:01:55] gut that this is bad. If a country like
[00:01:58] ours, supposedly the most powerful in
[00:01:59] the world, is devoting all of its time
[00:02:01] internally to conversations about
[00:02:03] Israel, it's probably not going in a
[00:02:05] good direction. There's probably a lot
[00:02:08] being neglected in favor of this very
[00:02:11] specific boutique conversation about
[00:02:13] this tiny little country. It's just not
[00:02:15] good for anybody, including Israel, by
[00:02:17] the way. So, what's the antidote to
[00:02:20] this? How do you fix it? Here are four
[00:02:22] things you can do to make the
[00:02:25] conversation about Israel and the
[00:02:26] relationship with Israel a lot healthier
[00:02:29] than it currently is. Here are the four.
[00:02:32] The first is get some global perspective
[00:02:35] on what we're talking about. The United
[00:02:37] States is a nation of 350 million
[00:02:41] people. It has some of the deepest
[00:02:42] natural resources in the world. That
[00:02:44] would include energy and water,
[00:02:46] agricultural products. The United
[00:02:48] States, however it's managed, is a
[00:02:51] powerhouse globally and always will be
[00:02:54] because its strength is inherent. It's a
[00:02:55] huge decisive country
[00:02:59] in the scope of world history. The
[00:03:00] United States makes things happen.
[00:03:02] Israel, this is not an insult, merely an
[00:03:04] observation, by contrast, is a tiny and
[00:03:07] inherently insignificant country, at
[00:03:09] least geopolitically, in that it has
[00:03:11] only 9 million people and no natural
[00:03:15] resources, no meaningful natural
[00:03:16] resources. So, it is insignificant. It
[00:03:19] is also physically tiny. It's about the
[00:03:22] size of New Jersey, famously, but it has
[00:03:23] a much smaller GDP than New Jersey. It
[00:03:28] is a much smaller economy than the state
[00:03:30] of New Jersey. is an economy about the
[00:03:31] size of the state of Arizona and almost
[00:03:33] 1/ half the economy of the state of
[00:03:35] Massachusetts or Illinois. It just
[00:03:38] doesn't really matter actually if you're
[00:03:40] looking at a map and thinking through,
[00:03:42] you know, where does power politics go.
[00:03:44] Israel is not even on the list. Again,
[00:03:47] it's tiny. It's got the population of
[00:03:51] Burundi. It's got a smaller population
[00:03:53] than Belgium. Like, what is this anyway?
[00:03:56] And yet, despite its objective
[00:03:59] insignificance,
[00:04:00] it is the focus of the conversation, but
[00:04:02] it's also the focus of the spending. So,
[00:04:04] right now, as we speak tonight, there
[00:04:07] are two THAAD missile batteries in
[00:04:10] Israel. That's one quarter of the
[00:04:13] world's total supply of THAD missile
[00:04:15] batteries. The THA missile battery is an
[00:04:16] Americanmade, very high techch missile
[00:04:19] battery that takes incoming missiles out
[00:04:21] of the sky. And one quarter of the
[00:04:24] world's entire supply of these is in
[00:04:27] Israel right now manned by US troops by
[00:04:31] Americans in uniform or not. They are
[00:04:33] American military personnel and they are
[00:04:36] manning these batteries to protect
[00:04:38] Israel. And that shouldn't surprise you
[00:04:40] because since October 7th, 2023, which
[00:04:43] is a little less than two years ago, the
[00:04:45] United States has spent at minimum $30
[00:04:47] billion defending Israel.
[00:04:50] Huge. And for some perspective, the
[00:04:52] entire Israeli military budget before
[00:04:56] October 7th was about 25 billion. So the
[00:04:59] United States has put at least 30
[00:05:01] billion into defending Israel in less
[00:05:04] than 2 years. Over the course of its
[00:05:06] existence, a little less than 80 years,
[00:05:08] the United States has put 300 billion at
[00:05:11] least, those are just the onbooks
[00:05:13] numbers into supporting Israel. 300
[00:05:15] billion. Israel is by far, no one comes
[00:05:18] close, the largest recipient of US aid
[00:05:21] over time and currently. So, anyone who
[00:05:24] says, "Oh, it's just a drop in the
[00:05:25] bucket. It's totally insignificant," is
[00:05:27] lying or doesn't know the numbers. By
[00:05:29] the way, number two is Egypt. So, why
[00:05:31] are we spending so much money on Egypt?
[00:05:32] Well, we're doing it at the request of
[00:05:33] Israel. So, you could probably add that
[00:05:35] to the tally. It's not an attack. It's
[00:05:37] merely perspective. We are spending our
[00:05:42] time, our money, and we're taking
[00:05:44] enormous risks on behalf of a country
[00:05:46] that geopolitically is not significant
[00:05:50] at all.
[00:05:52] The interesting thing is
[00:05:54] most Americans have no idea that this is
[00:05:56] true. They don't know how
[00:05:59] disproportionate our attention to Israel
[00:06:01] and our spending on Israel is relative
[00:06:03] to the rest of the world. And if you
[00:06:04] want some sense of how disproportionate
[00:06:06] India and China combined, neither of
[00:06:09] which is a strong ally at the moment
[00:06:12] combined represent more than a third of
[00:06:14] the entire world's population. Both our
[00:06:16] rivals economically, both our rivals
[00:06:18] militarily, at least potentially. and
[00:06:20] our relationship with them has gotten
[00:06:22] worse or has at the very least
[00:06:24] languished because of our relationship
[00:06:27] with Israel because of the bandwidth
[00:06:28] consumed by tending to it and also
[00:06:31] because of some of the inevitable
[00:06:32] conflicts that have arisen because of
[00:06:35] our support for Israel which is engaged
[00:06:37] in an extremely controversial which is
[00:06:38] to say hated war in Gaza which is not
[00:06:40] even really a war it's a massive
[00:06:42] displacement of people and killing on on
[00:06:45] a on a grand scale of unarmed people of
[00:06:48] unarmed combatants of civilians of women
[00:06:50] and children. And the world sees this
[00:06:52] and the world rejects it and the world
[00:06:54] hates it. And so Israel's really last
[00:06:56] remaining ally of size other than the UK
[00:06:59] is the United States. And so there's a
[00:07:01] huge cost to this. But again, most
[00:07:05] Americans have no perspective on just
[00:07:07] how disproportionate our commitment is
[00:07:10] because they marinate in lies about this
[00:07:13] relationship, mostly from our political
[00:07:15] class, also from the media. But really,
[00:07:17] if you were to lay the blame on one
[00:07:19] group in the United States, it's our
[00:07:21] elected leaders who continuously lie to
[00:07:23] us about the nature of this
[00:07:25] relationship, its significance,
[00:07:28] and they do it generationally. They've
[00:07:30] been doing it for many decades. Here,
[00:07:32] and this is just one example, but the
[00:07:34] most fun to watch. This is Nikki Haley
[00:07:37] at the Republican presidential primary
[00:07:39] debate 2023 describing the United
[00:07:41] States's relationship with the state of
[00:07:43] Israel. Watch. Last thing we need to do
[00:07:46] is to tell Israel what to do. The only
[00:07:49] thing we should be doing is supporting
[00:07:50] them and eliminating Hamas. It is not
[00:07:53] that Israel needs America. America needs
[00:07:57] Israel.
[00:07:59] >> It is not that thei Israel needs the
[00:08:02] United States. The United States needs
[00:08:04] Israel.
[00:08:06] How could that possibly be true? It is
[00:08:10] in no sense true. In fact, it's one of
[00:08:12] those lies that's not three degrees off
[00:08:14] the truth. It is a complete inversion of
[00:08:17] the truth. And the truth, which is
[00:08:18] obvious to anyone who looks at the
[00:08:19] numbers or is paying any attention at
[00:08:21] all, is that Israel could not survive
[00:08:23] without the United States. That's not an
[00:08:25] argument for pulling all aid to Israel.
[00:08:27] It's just an acknowledgement of the
[00:08:29] physical reality. Israel fights its wars
[00:08:31] with American backing, with the
[00:08:33] guarantee, the implied defense guarantee
[00:08:35] that we have provided for so many years
[00:08:36] since at least 1973, 50 years. and its
[00:08:41] social services are made possible, which
[00:08:44] are quite generous, made possible by
[00:08:46] American subsidies. In other words,
[00:08:47] every dollar that goes to the Israeli
[00:08:50] military from the United States is a
[00:08:53] dollar that the nation of Israel can
[00:08:55] spend on its own people. And so there is
[00:08:57] no world in which America needs Israel
[00:09:02] more than Israel needs the United
[00:09:04] States. And of course, Nikki was Haley
[00:09:07] was never asked to explain how exactly
[00:09:09] that could be true. What are you talking
[00:09:10] about, Governor Haley? Not one person
[00:09:12] asked her that question. And no one
[00:09:14] asked her that question because anyone
[00:09:17] in whose mind that question appeared
[00:09:19] would have paused for fear of being
[00:09:21] attacked as an anti-semite for asking a
[00:09:23] question about geopolitics. That has
[00:09:26] been the state of play in the United
[00:09:27] States for my entire life, over 50
[00:09:29] years.
[00:09:31] Politicians make nonsensical statements.
[00:09:33] Nobody wants to even ask a follow-up
[00:09:35] question for fear of being attacked. It
[00:09:38] is a state of perpetual intimidation.
[00:09:41] Everybody's afraid of Israel. Afraid of
[00:09:44] the topic, afraid in some cases of the
[00:09:47] state itself. We have not had an honest
[00:09:49] conversation about this ever. Certainly
[00:09:53] not in my lifetime. And that suits the
[00:09:55] Israelis just fine. And if you're
[00:09:57] wondering why there's an awful lot of
[00:09:59] lunatic anti-semitic comment about
[00:10:02] Israel online, you have to wonder how
[00:10:04] much of that is organic. Some of it, of
[00:10:06] course, they're always haters. But how
[00:10:08] much of it is not organic at all? How
[00:10:10] much of is of that
[00:10:13] the lunatic all Jews are evil?
[00:10:17] How much of that is being jinned up on
[00:10:20] purpose to make legitimate questions
[00:10:22] about the US government's relationship
[00:10:24] with the government of Israel seem like
[00:10:26] crackpot stuff, like hate, like David
[00:10:29] Duke level lunacy?
[00:10:32] Probably some because it serves their
[00:10:34] interests.
[00:10:36] Now, that is a criticism of the state of
[00:10:39] Israel and its incredibly sophisticated
[00:10:41] propaganda campaign, which again the
[00:10:44] rest of us have been marinating in for a
[00:10:45] long time. But the true villain here, I
[00:10:48] would argue, is not the state of Israel,
[00:10:51] the Jews.
[00:10:53] It's the United States. It's our leaders
[00:10:55] who are putting up with this. Israel is
[00:10:57] a small country with very limited
[00:10:59] resources, and it is doing its best to
[00:11:02] serve its own interests. You'd think
[00:11:04] every country would act that way, and
[00:11:06] most do, but there are some that don't,
[00:11:08] and ours would top that list. And so the
[00:11:11] true shame here, the actual villain in
[00:11:13] this story is the leadership of the
[00:11:16] United States that is putting up with
[00:11:18] serial humiliation for decades.
[00:11:21] And for what reason? So if there's
[00:11:24] someone to be mad at, it's our leaders.
[00:11:27] And that leads to the second thing that
[00:11:28] we can do to fix this truly unhealthy
[00:11:32] relationship, this poisonous
[00:11:33] relationship, which is getting worse, by
[00:11:34] the way. It's breaking our society into
[00:11:37] pieces. It's truly hurting the Trump
[00:11:40] administration. The second thing we can
[00:11:42] do after getting global perspective on
[00:11:43] what we're actually talking about here,
[00:11:45] a tiny country that is in the deepest
[00:11:47] sense insignificant to the United
[00:11:49] States. The second thing we can do is
[00:11:50] get some freaking self-respect
[00:11:53] and stop being ordered around by a
[00:11:54] client state. That's not good for us.
[00:11:56] It's not good for them. It's not good
[00:11:59] for anybody. It's like being screamed at
[00:12:01] by your children. No normal parent would
[00:12:04] allow that because it's totally
[00:12:07] destructive. It's not good for you and
[00:12:09] it's not good for the child. And that is
[00:12:11] exactly the relationship that we have
[00:12:12] with the state of Israel. In fact, not
[00:12:15] in theory. In fact, it is a huge country
[00:12:18] and a tiny country. The huge country
[00:12:20] supports the tiny country. And that's a
[00:12:22] pretty nice thing to do. Whether it's
[00:12:24] wise or not is a whole separate
[00:12:26] conversation. But if you're going to
[00:12:27] have that relationship, a parent to a
[00:12:29] child, you cannot be yelled at,
[00:12:32] humiliated, spied upon, bossed around by
[00:12:35] the child, by the person in the
[00:12:37] inherently subordinate position. You
[00:12:39] can't do that. And you can't be shamed
[00:12:41] into ignoring things that are quite
[00:12:43] clearly not the behavior of a
[00:12:45] subordinate ally to a big brother ally.
[00:12:48] For example, spying on the country that
[00:12:51] makes your economy and your defense
[00:12:52] possible, which the Israelis have been
[00:12:53] doing for generations. That's a fact.
[00:12:56] One of them very famously was caught,
[00:12:57] Jonathan Pard, who's an American
[00:12:59] citizen, taking real secrets, like
[00:13:01] actual military secrets, and sending
[00:13:05] them to Israel, which promptly sent a
[00:13:06] bunch of them to the Soviet Union, which
[00:13:08] was our arch rival, our foe at the time.
[00:13:11] And that happened, and he went to
[00:13:12] prison. And then somehow he got out of
[00:13:13] prison and went to Israel, where he
[00:13:15] continues to denounce the United States.
[00:13:17] And anyone who says anything about it is
[00:13:19] attacked. Oh, you're an anti-semitic. It
[00:13:21] has nothing to do with anti-semitism.
[00:13:24] That's insulting. Why would we ever put
[00:13:26] up with that? Why we put up with the
[00:13:28] attack on the USS Liberty that
[00:13:29] everyone's so afraid to talk about,
[00:13:30] clearly targeted on purpose by a country
[00:13:33] we're supporting, Israel? And it's
[00:13:35] somehow shameful to say that. Why? Why
[00:13:38] is it shameful to say that? Who knows
[00:13:40] why it's shameful to say that? But it
[00:13:41] shouldn't be. And until we have some
[00:13:43] self-respect, not anger or hate, but
[00:13:47] just dignity, it will continue. In June,
[00:13:50] for example, during the 12-day war, such
[00:13:54] as it was with Iran, the US and Israel
[00:13:56] versus Iran, bombing on all sides during
[00:14:01] that short conflict,
[00:14:03] IDF officers in the Pentagon, foreign
[00:14:06] military officers in the Pentagon, by
[00:14:07] the way, they're not the only foreign
[00:14:08] military officers in the Pentagon, to be
[00:14:10] clear. There are NATO officers. They're
[00:14:14] from other country, British, but there
[00:14:16] are a bunch of Israeli Defense Force
[00:14:19] officers in the Pentagon that week.
[00:14:23] And during that week, ask anyone who
[00:14:26] works at the Pentagon, they enraged
[00:14:29] American Pentagon staff by just barging
[00:14:32] into meetings, giving orders, making
[00:14:33] demands,
[00:14:35] and nobody did anything about it. How
[00:14:38] can a foreign military officer barge
[00:14:41] into military headquarters, even if
[00:14:43] invited, but barge into a meeting and
[00:14:44] start demanding, "We want this, we want
[00:14:46] that, you need to get on this." Huh?
[00:14:49] The more you allow that kind of deeply
[00:14:52] unhealthy behavior, the more you're
[00:14:54] going to get. And that's exactly what
[00:14:57] has happened. Because of the weakness of
[00:14:59] our leaders, we have incited predators
[00:15:02] in a foreign country to take advantage
[00:15:04] of us. Oh, that's such an anti-Israel
[00:15:07] thing. say it's not anti-Israel at all.
[00:15:09] It's a demand that the people whose job
[00:15:12] it is whose sacred duty it is to defend
[00:15:14] and represent us, our leaders both at
[00:15:16] the Pentagon and all throughout the US
[00:15:19] government, that they do that, that they
[00:15:21] stand up and defend us against all
[00:15:25] potential threats, against all foreign
[00:15:27] countries to the extent they need to,
[00:15:29] and that they do not prostrate
[00:15:31] themselves before a foreign nation.
[00:15:33] That's just basic. Why have a government
[00:15:36] especially a strong government if it's
[00:15:38] taking orders from another weaker
[00:15:39] government and that is the state of play
[00:15:42] and it has been for a very long time
[00:15:46] and they're not even pretending to such
[00:15:48] an extent that the prime minister of
[00:15:50] Israel goes on television to openly
[00:15:55] participate in meddle in internal
[00:15:58] American politics taking sides attacking
[00:16:01] people Americans you wouldn't think it
[00:16:04] would be his business he's not an
[00:16:06] American leader. He's not even an
[00:16:07] American citizen.
[00:16:10] Going on television to attack Americans
[00:16:14] because they're not fully on board with
[00:16:16] sending billions more to a country of 9
[00:16:20] million people.
[00:16:22] And in case you think that's an
[00:16:24] overstatement, here is the prime
[00:16:25] minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu,
[00:16:27] commenting on American politics.
[00:16:29] >> We talked about the woke right and he
[00:16:31] said, "I call it the woke reich."
[00:16:35] That's a brilliant
[00:16:37] >> the woke right because these people, you
[00:16:40] know, they're not any different from the
[00:16:42] woke the left. I mean, they're they're
[00:16:43] insane. They're the reason,
[00:16:46] >> but they're actually meeting on some of
[00:16:47] the things we have to fight back. How do
[00:16:50] we fight back? Our influencers, I think
[00:16:53] you should also talk to them if you have
[00:16:54] a chance to that that community. They're
[00:16:58] very important.
[00:16:59] >> And secondly, we're going to have to use
[00:17:02] the tools of battle. And the most
[00:17:04] important ones are on social media. And
[00:17:06] the most important purchase that is
[00:17:08] going on right now is
[00:17:10] >> class.
[00:17:14] >> Tik Tok.
[00:17:15] >> Tik Tok. Number one. Number one.
[00:17:18] >> And I hope it goes through because it's
[00:17:20] uh
[00:17:20] >> it can be consequential.
[00:17:22] >> And the other one, what's the other one
[00:17:23] that's most important?
[00:17:25] >> X.
[00:17:26] >> X.
[00:17:28] >> Very good.
[00:17:29] >> And you know, so we have to talk to
[00:17:32] Elon. He's not an enemy. He's a friend.
[00:17:34] We should talk to him. Now, if we can
[00:17:37] get those two things, we get a lot. And
[00:17:38] I could go on on other things, but
[00:17:40] that's not the point right now. We have
[00:17:42] to fight the fight.
[00:17:45] It's almost unbelievable that he said
[00:17:47] that on camera. Imagine this is a
[00:17:50] foreign leader bragging about how he's
[00:17:53] censoring Americans. Again, this guy
[00:17:55] runs a country of 9 million people
[00:17:57] that's totally dependent on our tax
[00:17:58] dollars to exist. And here he is on
[00:18:01] camera and he's a sophisticated guy. Of
[00:18:03] course, he knows that he's being filmed
[00:18:06] saying, "Anyone who opposes me in the
[00:18:09] United States who opposes more aid to
[00:18:11] Israel or opposes getting sucked into
[00:18:13] war with Iran, which does not serve
[00:18:14] American interest, that person is not
[00:18:16] simply mistaken or wrong. I'm not going
[00:18:18] to bother to explain why that person is
[00:18:20] wrong. That person is a Nazi, part of
[00:18:22] the woke Reich, a Nazi.
[00:18:27] And the only way to fix it is by
[00:18:28] preventing Americans in the last country
[00:18:31] on earth with guaranteed freedom of
[00:18:33] speech.
[00:18:35] Prevent Americans from hearing the other
[00:18:37] side. And so we push Congress to force a
[00:18:40] Tik Tok sale, which is true, by the way.
[00:18:42] And when that happened, and various
[00:18:44] members of Congress like, "No, really,
[00:18:45] it's about China." There were people in
[00:18:46] line said, "No, I think it's really
[00:18:48] about Israel."
[00:18:50] You you you kind of wish it was about
[00:18:51] China. Here he is just admitting, "No,
[00:18:53] no, no. We push the US Congress to
[00:18:55] censor in the United States to commit
[00:18:58] censorship in the United States because
[00:19:00] we think it's bad for us and we need to
[00:19:04] talk to Elon." The only reason we have
[00:19:06] free speech in the United States right
[00:19:07] now is because of Elon Musk. By the way,
[00:19:11] a naturalized American, a foreigner who
[00:19:14] looked at the United States and said,
[00:19:15] "What's great about that country?"
[00:19:16] People can say what they believe because
[00:19:18] they're not slaves. They're not subjects
[00:19:20] of the state. They're citizens of a
[00:19:22] nation that they own.
[00:19:26] Free speech is central
[00:19:28] to the entire idea of America. In fact,
[00:19:30] it's really the only thing that sets us
[00:19:33] apart from any other country on Earth.
[00:19:34] It's not our market economy. It's
[00:19:37] freedom of speech. And here's this guy,
[00:19:39] a foreign head of state, who, let me
[00:19:41] restate, is totally dependent on our tax
[00:19:44] dollars to exist, is saying Americans
[00:19:47] don't have that right. and he's going to
[00:19:49] do some kind of secret pressure campaign
[00:19:52] on Elon Musk to censor X because it
[00:19:54] bothers Israel. You know, that's the
[00:19:57] point at which you just say no.
[00:19:59] Absolutely not. That is not allowed. But
[00:20:01] since no one has said that, it is
[00:20:03] continued. And that's why when you go on
[00:20:05] social media, you see person after
[00:20:06] person taking
[00:20:10] that guy's line.
[00:20:12] That guy's line. Repeating foreign
[00:20:15] government talking points on social
[00:20:18] media as Americans.
[00:20:20] Oh, you're you can't say that. It's
[00:20:23] true. It's 100% true. And it's also
[00:20:26] totally counterproductive. By the way,
[00:20:28] this is not a sophisticated
[00:20:31] propaganda campaign. This is a brutal
[00:20:34] and brutish propaganda campaign where
[00:20:38] anyone who disagrees with anything is
[00:20:40] immediately slandered and smeared. Megan
[00:20:44] Kelly, who's got to be the single most
[00:20:46] moderate person on the question of
[00:20:47] Israel, who said a 100 times and means
[00:20:48] it. By the way, I like Israel. I'm not
[00:20:51] against Israel, you know, but maybe it's
[00:20:53] not a great idea to get sucked into one
[00:20:55] of their wars. We've done that. Let's
[00:20:57] not do it again. Nazi immediately calls
[00:21:00] her an anti-semite and won't stop.
[00:21:03] Meanwhile, the actual anti-semites, and
[00:21:06] there certainly are some online, never
[00:21:08] get criticized by BB or anyone else in
[00:21:11] his orbit. That's kind of interesting,
[00:21:12] isn't it? I wonder why that is. When you
[00:21:15] have actual anti-semites, you know,
[00:21:18] doing videos making fun of Awitz, but
[00:21:20] they get a pass. H maybe things are not
[00:21:23] quite as they seem.
[00:21:25] But normal people who harbor no hate
[00:21:29] toward anyone or try not to are
[00:21:32] immediately slandered in a way that
[00:21:34] makes it in some cases hard for them to
[00:21:37] have jobs if they deviate even a little
[00:21:39] bit. So what's the effect of this? Not
[00:21:41] that it's up to me to tell Israel how to
[00:21:42] run its propaganda campaigns, but the
[00:21:45] effect just noticing is that it turns
[00:21:47] allies into enemies. You can agree on
[00:21:51] 98% of things, but if you think maybe it
[00:21:53] was a bad idea to bomb Doha, Qatar,
[00:21:58] the site of the largest military base in
[00:22:00] the Middle East, which exists to protect
[00:22:01] Israel, if you think it was a bad idea
[00:22:03] for the Israeli government to bomb Doha,
[00:22:08] then you're a what, a Nazi?
[00:22:10] Just in point of fact, by the way, Hamas
[00:22:13] was originally in Qatar because the
[00:22:16] Israeli government asked them to accept
[00:22:18] Hamas. That air base exists to protect
[00:22:20] Israel.
[00:22:22] By the way, that was such a reckless
[00:22:26] and demented move that MSAD MSAD in
[00:22:31] Israel opposed it and wouldn't
[00:22:33] participate in it because they thought
[00:22:34] it was too reckless. So to say that
[00:22:37] there is, you know, quite a bit of
[00:22:39] latitude for debate in Israel is an
[00:22:41] understatement. Assad refused to
[00:22:42] participate in that. But as an American
[00:22:44] on social media, if you're like, I think
[00:22:46] it's a little crazy that our ally is
[00:22:48] bombing another one of our allies
[00:22:49] without even telling us and then lying
[00:22:51] and pretending that they had permission
[00:22:52] from the president to do this, which
[00:22:54] they did not.
[00:22:56] If you say that, you're a Nazi. You're
[00:22:57] part of the woke Reich. This can't
[00:23:00] continue. It's too crazy. It's
[00:23:01] counterproductive for them and it's
[00:23:03] deeply destructive of our political
[00:23:05] conversation and of our country itself.
[00:23:08] Now the good news is that the
[00:23:10] humiliation which has gone I mean just
[00:23:12] give you one more example of the
[00:23:13] humiliation which is almost beyond
[00:23:15] belief. So Israel is our greatest ally.
[00:23:17] We should never ask anything of them. Of
[00:23:19] course you you heard Nikki Haley you
[00:23:20] hear all of them say exactly the same
[00:23:22] thing. Protecting Israel is the most
[00:23:23] important thing. They're our only real
[00:23:25] ally. If they're our only real ally, why
[00:23:27] does Israel have a long history of
[00:23:30] transferring military technology,
[00:23:31] including American military technology,
[00:23:34] to China? To China? Most people have no
[00:23:37] idea that's true. It is true. Why is
[00:23:39] China running the port of Hifa, Israel's
[00:23:41] biggest port? Really, if they're such a
[00:23:44] close ally, and of course, the answer is
[00:23:46] because from Israel's perspective, we're
[00:23:48] not a close ally. We're a country that
[00:23:50] has been willing to help them. But when
[00:23:53] you only have 9 million people in a
[00:23:55] limited defense budget, you know, you
[00:23:58] take help where you can get it. So, the
[00:23:59] loyalty is not reququed. It's one way.
[00:24:04] And I think the good news is that the
[00:24:07] government of Israel, in particular, the
[00:24:09] prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has
[00:24:11] pushed it too far. And he did that in
[00:24:14] part by running around telling people
[00:24:17] what he thought was true. Apparently, I
[00:24:19] control Donald Trump. I control the
[00:24:20] United States Congress. I control the
[00:24:21] United States. He said that to political
[00:24:25] allies and opponents in his country. He
[00:24:27] said it to foreign heads of state. Fact.
[00:24:30] I control these people. Don't you worry.
[00:24:32] And by the way, if you kick me out of
[00:24:34] office, the next guy probably won't have
[00:24:35] the level of control that I have. He's
[00:24:36] made that case openly, verbally. He said
[00:24:39] it out loud. And that was too much for
[00:24:42] our president. And so in one of the
[00:24:45] great moments, it was just
[00:24:49] it was a cool shower on a hot day.
[00:24:52] President Trump pushed back, not
[00:24:54] directly, but you can watch this clip
[00:24:56] and see that he's had enough. Here is
[00:25:00] President Trump the other day asked
[00:25:02] about Israel's plans to annex the West
[00:25:04] Bank. Watch.
[00:25:06] >> Did you promise leaders this week that
[00:25:08] you would not allow Israel to annex the
[00:25:09] West Bank? And is that something that
[00:25:10] you
[00:25:11] >> I will not allow Israel to annex the
[00:25:13] West Bank? Nope. I will not allow it.
[00:25:15] It's not going to happen.
[00:25:16] >> Did you speak with Netanyahu about this?
[00:25:18] >> Yeah, but I'm not going to allow it.
[00:25:19] Whether I spoke to him or not, I did.
[00:25:21] But I'm not allowing Israel to annex the
[00:25:24] West Bank.
[00:25:24] >> Mr.
[00:25:25] >> There's been enough. It's time to stop.
[00:25:27] >> It's been enough. I will not allow it.
[00:25:29] He's not just talking about the West
[00:25:30] Bank there. Obviously,
[00:25:33] these are political people. They
[00:25:34] understand when your poll numbers fall
[00:25:36] dramatically, particularly among the
[00:25:38] young men who help make you president.
[00:25:40] You have to ask why is that? And it's
[00:25:42] about this issue because it's too
[00:25:44] humiliating. And people who don't want
[00:25:46] to see their government bossed around by
[00:25:48] a tiny foreign power are not haters.
[00:25:51] They don't hate any ethnic group.
[00:25:55] They just don't want to be humiliated.
[00:25:57] And by the way, why should they be
[00:25:59] humiliated?
[00:26:00] That's the core problem right there.
[00:26:03] That's why Donald Trump has lost support
[00:26:05] over this Israel question. And he knows
[00:26:06] that and he's pushing back. And there's
[00:26:09] just no question from that clip
[00:26:10] whatsoever. So the third thing I think
[00:26:13] that would be very helpful to restore
[00:26:15] health and balance to the relationship
[00:26:16] between the United States and Israel is
[00:26:19] restore the concept of citizenship in
[00:26:21] the United States. If you're an American
[00:26:22] citizen, it means something. The first
[00:26:24] thing it means is equality. You are
[00:26:26] equal to every other citizen. There's no
[00:26:28] hierarchy of citizenship. All citizens
[00:26:30] are equal. Each gets one vote. Each gets
[00:26:32] justice before the law. That's the
[00:26:34] promise of the United States. And each
[00:26:35] gets to say exactly what he thinks.
[00:26:37] Period.
[00:26:38] Restore the value of citizenship. And
[00:26:42] the very first thing you you would do if
[00:26:44] you cared about that and you should
[00:26:45] because the country can't continue
[00:26:46] without it after you expelled everyone
[00:26:48] who's not a citizen from the country,
[00:26:50] which should happen immediately. They
[00:26:51] should be deported immediately for our
[00:26:53] own survival. But after doing that, the
[00:26:56] first thing you would do is not allow
[00:26:58] dual citizenship. Why would you allow
[00:27:00] that? You're a citizen of two countries.
[00:27:01] Can you really serve two masters
[00:27:03] simultaneously? By the way, it's not
[00:27:05] just Israelis who have dual citizenship.
[00:27:06] They're all Every nationality has dual
[00:27:08] citizenship in this country. It's not
[00:27:10] just Israel. And it shouldn't be allowed
[00:27:12] for a single moment. What is that? Whose
[00:27:14] side are you on? Don't accuse me of dual
[00:27:17] loyalty. You're a dual citizen. Whether
[00:27:19] it's Argentina or Mali or Israel, not
[00:27:22] allowed. And moreover, you are not
[00:27:24] allowed to serve in a foreign military
[00:27:26] without losing your American
[00:27:28] citizenship. You're fighting for another
[00:27:30] country. How can that be allowed? How
[00:27:32] can you retain your citizenship? By the
[00:27:34] way, why aren't you serving in our
[00:27:35] military? Every country has a different
[00:27:38] perspective on the world. And that grows
[00:27:41] from a whole bunch of different things,
[00:27:42] their history, their language, their
[00:27:44] size, their resources. But each country
[00:27:46] is different. And each country has a
[00:27:47] different set of priorities. And if
[00:27:48] you're fighting in a military for a
[00:27:51] country, you are not serving America's
[00:27:52] priorities. You're taking up arms on
[00:27:54] behalf of a foreign power. You're done.
[00:27:56] This would seem to be obvious. Many
[00:27:59] Americans have fought in Israel, in
[00:28:00] Gaza. Many Americans have fought in
[00:28:02] Ukraine, by the way, and a lot of other
[00:28:04] countries for foreign militaries. Lose
[00:28:06] your citizenship immediately. Of course,
[00:28:08] obviously.
[00:28:10] It's amazing that even exists. And Apac
[00:28:13] has to register under FAR, the Foreign
[00:28:16] Age and Registration Act of the 1930s.
[00:28:18] Of course, it's a foreign lobby. There
[00:28:19] are a million of them. But it's only
[00:28:21] Apac that doesn't register
[00:28:24] and it's only Apac that is somehow above
[00:28:26] criticism. It's a foreign lobby that is
[00:28:28] acting on behalf of a foreign
[00:28:29] government. It's and its interests.
[00:28:30] Again, it's one of many, but it's the
[00:28:33] only one that doesn't have to register.
[00:28:34] And of course, it should register
[00:28:35] immediately. You should know who
[00:28:39] is giving money to your politicians. You
[00:28:41] should know who is influencing them.
[00:28:43] There should be a record of that as
[00:28:44] there is with any other nation, any
[00:28:45] other lobby of a foreign power. And only
[00:28:48] Apac is exempt. What is the effect of
[00:28:50] that? It makes everyone paranoid.
[00:28:52] Doesn't make people like Israel more.
[00:28:55] When a topic cannot be spoken about and
[00:28:57] when anyone who raises it is called a
[00:28:59] Nazi, the woke Reich, or dismissed as a
[00:29:02] Holocaust denier, anti-semite or
[00:29:04] whatever, slandered in some way like
[00:29:06] that, it doesn't make the problem go
[00:29:08] away. It fers and people go crazy and
[00:29:11] get angry and become resentful.
[00:29:13] End all that. There's no reason to
[00:29:15] conduct any business like that in
[00:29:17] secrecy. It doesn't make things better
[00:29:19] at all. It doesn't make the person doing
[00:29:20] it stronger. It makes him weaker
[00:29:22] actually in the end.
[00:29:26] And the last thing that I think we need
[00:29:28] to do to restore balance between the
[00:29:30] relationship between the United States
[00:29:32] and Israel and to restore some sanity to
[00:29:36] the public conversation on this topic is
[00:29:38] to get our theology right.
[00:29:41] And this is not a message aimed at
[00:29:43] Israelis or Jews. This is a message
[00:29:45] aimed at Christians who are the largest
[00:29:47] group of Israel supporters in the United
[00:29:49] States. And their view of Israel is
[00:29:51] colored not just by sentimental
[00:29:53] attachment, which is fine, or trips to
[00:29:54] Israel, great, no problem. But by a
[00:29:58] Christian heresy, the oldest of the
[00:30:01] Christian heresies, which is that God
[00:30:04] somehow prefers some people based on
[00:30:07] their DNA. And of course, the whole
[00:30:09] point of Christianity is that that is no
[00:30:11] longer true. That there is no chosen
[00:30:13] people. The chosen people are people who
[00:30:15] choose Jesus. That is the Christian
[00:30:18] message right there. It's not an
[00:30:19] anti-Semitic message, by the way.
[00:30:22] It's the Christian message. It's the
[00:30:23] core Christian message. And yet, there
[00:30:25] are many, many self-described
[00:30:28] representatives of the Christian faith,
[00:30:29] the world's largest, who are daily
[00:30:33] sending a different message. And we
[00:30:35] should be very clear. Whatever this is,
[00:30:37] it's not Christianity. It is heresy. And
[00:30:40] among the many examples we could pick,
[00:30:41] we're going to go because we couldn't
[00:30:43] control ourselves with Lindsey Graham.
[00:30:45] Watch
[00:30:45] >> two people in my party. I'm tired of
[00:30:48] this crap. Israel is our friend. They're
[00:30:52] the most reliable friend we have in the
[00:30:54] M East. They're democracy
[00:30:57] surrounded by people who would cut their
[00:30:59] throats if they could. This is not a
[00:31:02] hard choice if you're an American.
[00:31:05] It's not a hard choice if you're a
[00:31:07] Christian.
[00:31:08] A word of warning. If America pulls the
[00:31:11] plug on Israel, God will pull the plug
[00:31:14] on us.
[00:31:17] >> God will kill you if you don't support
[00:31:19] BB Netanyahu. That's what he's saying.
[00:31:22] And there are cheers. Unfortunately,
[00:31:23] cheers when he said that. God will kill
[00:31:25] you. He will pull the plug on you like a
[00:31:28] quadriplegic in intensive care. You're
[00:31:30] going to flatline unless you support the
[00:31:33] secular abortion on demand government of
[00:31:35] Israel. That's the Christian perspective
[00:31:37] really. That God loves some people more
[00:31:39] because of their DNA. That is not the
[00:31:42] Christian message. That's the opposite
[00:31:43] of the Christian message. The Christian
[00:31:45] message is universal. That's the whole
[00:31:48] point of it. The chosen people in
[00:31:51] Christianity are those who choose Jesus.
[00:31:53] The entire New Testament is that story.
[00:31:56] And anyone who says otherwise has not
[00:31:58] read it or is lying.
[00:32:00] God does not prefer you because of your
[00:32:02] DNA or anyone else because of their DNA.
[00:32:06] Period.
[00:32:07] So the fact that people can stand up in
[00:32:09] the United States in 20125 and say
[00:32:12] something like that and by the way, not
[00:32:14] even make the case, just invoke the
[00:32:16] power of God as a weapon, he will kill
[00:32:18] you. He'll pull the plug on your country
[00:32:21] unless you go along with this. We need
[00:32:22] more war. Listen to yourself.
[00:32:26] And it's not just Lindsey Graham. It's
[00:32:28] the speaker of the house, Mike Johnson.
[00:32:30] It's a lot of people, some of whom are
[00:32:32] very nice people. People have dinner
[00:32:34] with him. They seem perfectly normal.
[00:32:36] But this is a heresy and it's deranged.
[00:32:39] And you know it's deranged because it is
[00:32:41] a justification for killing the
[00:32:42] innocent. And in Christianity, if
[00:32:44] there's one thing that's crystal clear,
[00:32:47] it's that Christians cannot abide the
[00:32:49] killing of the innocent. People who have
[00:32:51] done nothing wrong cannot be killed.
[00:32:54] That's a sin. You are not allowed to do
[00:32:56] that. Period. And if you find anyone
[00:32:59] leveraging the message of Jesus to
[00:33:01] justify the killing of innocents, that
[00:33:04] person is committing heresy.
[00:33:07] So those are the four things I think
[00:33:09] that we probably should do right away to
[00:33:10] restore some balance and health, reduce
[00:33:13] the craziness in the relationship and
[00:33:15] the conversation
[00:33:17] about Israel. But now for an update on
[00:33:20] where exactly things are in a complex
[00:33:22] and dynamic moment globally uh with
[00:33:25] regard to Israel. Our old friend Mr.
[00:33:28] Saxs is here.
[00:33:31] >> Oh Jeff, thank you so much. Uh
[00:33:35] >> thank you Tucker and thank you for
[00:33:37] really what a remarkable statement you
[00:33:40] just made and how many important things
[00:33:42] you said. Um,
[00:33:43] >> well, it's it's just bad and it doesn't
[00:33:45] need to be bad. And I just I think this
[00:33:48] is one place where I do agree with the
[00:33:50] neocons, some of whom are, you know,
[00:33:52] they are ethnarcists, a lot of them, but
[00:33:54] they're right when they say if if the
[00:33:56] national conversation is all about Jews
[00:33:58] and people are all mad, like that's just
[00:34:00] not good for anybody. I don't think
[00:34:01] that's good. We need to deescalate and
[00:34:03] pull back. We need to draialize this
[00:34:06] right away. Right away. And make it
[00:34:09] sane. And otherwise what's going to
[00:34:11] happen anyway that enough lecture for me
[00:34:14] where
[00:34:14] >> No no no no but it's a it's an important
[00:34:16] point because the whole issue about
[00:34:18] Israel is not about Jews by the way.
[00:34:21] Exactly. The Jews in in the United
[00:34:23] States completely divided on this issue
[00:34:26] as our non-Jews. This is not about Jews.
[00:34:29] This is about a state and what it's
[00:34:31] doing right now. Uh its history and
[00:34:35] American interest. And I think you said
[00:34:38] that all extremely clearly.
[00:34:40] >> So do you think there's been a lot of
[00:34:42] talk today about another war with Iran?
[00:34:47] Do you think that that's coming?
[00:34:50] >> I think it's very likely because
[00:34:53] Netanyahu is absolutely intent and he
[00:34:58] has been intent for nearly 30 years.
[00:35:01] It's nearly 30 years since he first
[00:35:04] became prime minister in 1996 in
[00:35:07] dragging the United States into a
[00:35:09] prolonged war with Iran. And he dragged
[00:35:14] the United States and it's a shame uh
[00:35:16] that the United States government went
[00:35:19] along with it. But he dragged the United
[00:35:22] States into a war with Iran uh just
[00:35:25] recently and it's extremely dangerous
[00:35:28] and of course he wants to do it again.
[00:35:30] It's been part of Netanyahu's policy to
[00:35:35] pull the United States into repeated
[00:35:37] wars. This is uh why this whole
[00:35:41] relationship is so completely
[00:35:44] dysfunctional. Uh Netanyahu back in 1996
[00:35:49] with American political adviserss
[00:35:53] actually came up with a a document
[00:35:57] called Clean Break. Clean break is a
[00:36:00] very strange but very clear statement of
[00:36:04] what has trapped the United States for
[00:36:07] nearly 30 years. Uh clean break says,
[00:36:10] "Well, Israel's never going to
[00:36:13] compromise with its Palestinian
[00:36:17] Arab population in its midst and in uh
[00:36:21] the Palestinian lands. uh it's going to
[00:36:24] control all of those lands and it's
[00:36:27] going to control or expel or kill or
[00:36:32] ethnically cleanse the Palestinian
[00:36:34] population and that's going to create
[00:36:38] unrest and it's going to create a
[00:36:41] militant reaction and then what clean
[00:36:44] break says is yes that's going to happen
[00:36:46] and we will go to war against any other
[00:36:51] country in the region that uh supports
[00:36:55] uh opposition to greater Israel, that is
[00:36:59] Israel's control over all of Palestine.
[00:37:03] And there's just one footnote to that.
[00:37:07] When uh Netanyahu said we will go to
[00:37:10] war, what he meant was the United States
[00:37:13] will go to war for us. So Netanyahu has
[00:37:17] been the great champion of pushing
[00:37:21] America into endless wars for the last
[00:37:25] three decades. He was the big
[00:37:28] cheerleader of the Iraq war. People may
[00:37:31] remember that or they can refresh their
[00:37:34] memories. A devastatingly wrong war sold
[00:37:38] on completely phony pretenses that
[00:37:42] Netanyahu cheerled. And one can even go
[00:37:45] online and find his testimony to
[00:37:48] Congress in October 2002 about how
[00:37:52] wonderful this war is going to be and
[00:37:56] how it's going to lead to a breakout of
[00:37:58] freedom throughout the Middle East. He's
[00:38:02] full of it and he's been full of it for
[00:38:05] nearly 30 years. But he has had many
[00:38:10] wars in sight that he has actually
[00:38:12] dragged the United States into. Uh the
[00:38:15] war in Syria which goes on and started
[00:38:19] with Obama in 2011 ordering the or
[00:38:24] assigning the CIA the task to overthrow
[00:38:27] the Syrian government was again at
[00:38:31] Netanyahu's and Israel's behest.
[00:38:35] absolutely extraordinary
[00:38:38] the ongoing wars in Lebanon, in Syria,
[00:38:42] in Iraq, the recent so-called 12-day war
[00:38:47] with Iran, which was a disgrace and a
[00:38:50] great danger. Even the wars in in East
[00:38:54] Africa, in Sudan, in Somalia, and in
[00:38:58] Libya were pushed by Netanyahu
[00:39:03] as needing to that we need to overthrow
[00:39:07] regimes that support uh opposition to
[00:39:12] Israel's control over the Palestinians.
[00:39:16] And uh in 2011, just to take another
[00:39:19] case, because Obama did double duty that
[00:39:22] year, he went to war with Syria in a
[00:39:26] completely weird way of assigning the
[00:39:29] CIA the overthrow, but he also launched
[00:39:34] a war against Libya to overthrow Moar
[00:39:38] Gaddafi. Uh this was the Obama Hillary
[00:39:42] Clinton teamwork to drag America into
[00:39:45] more wars. This has its roots in
[00:39:49] Netanyahu's doctrine which is we will
[00:39:53] control all of Palestine. This will lead
[00:39:56] to unrest. It will lead to militancy. It
[00:40:00] will lead to suffering of the
[00:40:02] Palestinian people. So what? But it will
[00:40:05] lead to challenges to Israel and we will
[00:40:09] confront those by overthrowing the
[00:40:12] governments that support the militancy
[00:40:15] against Israel's control over Palestine.
[00:40:19] And the US has played along until today.
[00:40:22] And I have to say,
[00:40:25] even though we saw uh just that tape of
[00:40:28] uh President Trump saying that no,
[00:40:32] Israel will not enex the West Bank.
[00:40:34] First of all, don't hold your breath
[00:40:37] because we've not yet seen an American
[00:40:41] president for 30 years that has resisted
[00:40:45] Israel. And I am still uh uh fearful
[00:40:51] that Trump is the same because frankly
[00:40:55] what we have right now and Netanyahu
[00:40:59] said so. Israel is involved in seven
[00:41:02] wars right now. It's disgusting. They're
[00:41:05] all over the Middle East in war. They're
[00:41:08] in war in Gaza. They're in war in the
[00:41:11] West Bank. They're in war in Lebanon.
[00:41:14] They're in war with Syria. They're in
[00:41:17] war with Iraq. They're in war with Iran.
[00:41:21] They're at war with Yemen. And uh
[00:41:27] so far, the United States has funded,
[00:41:32] armed, and diplomatically supported all
[00:41:36] of this. And the United States has
[00:41:39] absolutely
[00:41:41] not. And in this government, and it's
[00:41:43] true of the previous ones as well, not
[00:41:46] said a word about the state of
[00:41:50] Palestine, which is absolutely key to
[00:41:53] peace. There needs to be a state for the
[00:41:56] Palestinian people alongside a state for
[00:42:01] the Israelis. This is international law.
[00:42:04] It's absolutely obvious to almost every
[00:42:07] country in the whole world. But the
[00:42:09] United States listens to Netanyahu. And
[00:42:12] by United States, I don't mean the
[00:42:14] people. Because just as you said, the
[00:42:16] American people are against all of this.
[00:42:18] By the way, by large majorities, this is
[00:42:21] not being driven by American public
[00:42:24] opinion. This is our American political
[00:42:26] class telling Americans what to believe,
[00:42:31] not what Americans actually believe.
[00:42:34] Americans want the United States to
[00:42:37] recognize the state of Palestine. The
[00:42:39] United States public opposes what Israel
[00:42:42] is doing by large majorities. This is
[00:42:45] the political class. But unfortunately,
[00:42:47] it includes the White House and it
[00:42:50] includes the Congress and it hasn't
[00:42:52] stopped yet. And the situation in the
[00:42:55] Middle East is explosive and Netanyahu
[00:42:58] is working overtime to pull us into yet
[00:43:00] another war. Can may I ask you you said
[00:43:04] a moment ago that no American president
[00:43:06] has ever constrained Israel in a
[00:43:08] meaningful way. I think George
[00:43:11] >> in the modern period.
[00:43:12] >> Yeah. George HW Bush kind of tried and
[00:43:14] there was talk of an assassination
[00:43:16] attempt against him and he lost of
[00:43:17] course after one term. Um but why do you
[00:43:22] why do you think that is? Why is a
[00:43:24] country of 9 million people able to
[00:43:27] dictate terms to a country of 350
[00:43:29] million people?
[00:43:32] Well, first of all, there's no
[00:43:33] legitimate reason for that. In other
[00:43:36] words, there's no intrinsic
[00:43:40] US interest in any way, whether it's
[00:43:43] military or security or economic
[00:43:48] for this uh to be the case. There's no
[00:43:52] moral reason for this to be the case. In
[00:43:56] other words, one could support Israel
[00:43:58] without supporting Israel's reckless
[00:44:02] extremism and militarism and all its
[00:44:06] wars. And so there's no reason for the
[00:44:10] United States government to have given a
[00:44:14] blank check, actually handed our
[00:44:16] military and our intelligence over to
[00:44:19] Israel to tell us what to do. There's no
[00:44:23] legitimate reason for this.
[00:44:27] The question why this is the case is of
[00:44:31] course I think to all of us even no
[00:44:34] matter how much on the inside we are or
[00:44:38] how many decades we've watched this a
[00:44:40] bit of a mystery.
[00:44:41] >> Yes.
[00:44:43] And because I've seen this close up for
[00:44:48] more than 50 years and if you ask me am
[00:44:51] I really sure why
[00:44:55] Netanyahu who is a absolutely disgusting
[00:44:59] wararmonger who has dragged us into
[00:45:02] terrible wars who is committing massive
[00:45:06] war crimes. why he gets 57 standing
[00:45:10] ovations in the US Congress. If you ask
[00:45:13] me in my heart, do I really understand
[00:45:16] that? Is it the Apac lobby, the Israel
[00:45:20] lobby? Well, partly
[00:45:24] is it blackmail
[00:45:27] by Israel? because there's no doubt uh a
[00:45:31] lot of credible claims of Epstein and
[00:45:35] more about blackmail. Is it that uh is
[00:45:39] it direct bribes? Is it fear of American
[00:45:43] politicians? Is it the mainstream media
[00:45:48] which for a lot of reasons owned by a
[00:45:51] lot of billionaires that tend to be uh
[00:45:56] rather arted Zionists?
[00:45:59] Is it the large Christian Zionist vote
[00:46:03] base which is also a real thing?
[00:46:09] To tell you the truth, none of it really
[00:46:12] adds up. I agree
[00:46:13] >> in full because this is not in America's
[00:46:17] interest. It's not in America's interest
[00:46:20] to be isolated in the world together
[00:46:25] with a murderous rogue state, which is
[00:46:28] sad to say what the Israeli government
[00:46:32] has become. It is the most lawless state
[00:46:37] in the whole world right now. It's
[00:46:40] committing massive war crimes. It is, as
[00:46:43] Netanyahu said, at war in seven fronts.
[00:46:47] If you're at war in seven fronts, that's
[00:46:49] pretty weird. That shows you don't have
[00:46:52] diplomacy. You have war as a policy. And
[00:46:56] of course, Netanyahu does have war as a
[00:46:59] policy. And you know, Tucker, I am at
[00:47:03] the UN a lot, so I am in the UN Security
[00:47:07] Council a lot. uh listening or
[00:47:11] participating in UN sessions and and the
[00:47:16] UN uh the Israeli uh politicians come
[00:47:20] and they yell at the whole rest of the
[00:47:22] world and uh
[00:47:26] they yell at them in the most vulgar,
[00:47:29] stupid
[00:47:31] uh prayer and
[00:47:36] absolutely uh imbalanced an irrational
[00:47:39] way and then the the US representative
[00:47:42] says yes yes yes we we are with Israel
[00:47:45] so if you ask me why this is
[00:47:48] fundamentally
[00:47:50] first it's disgusting second it is no
[00:47:54] rational basis and third if it is the
[00:47:58] money the lobbying uh the uh mass media
[00:48:03] propaganda uh the uh
[00:48:07] really strange beliefs of some people.
[00:48:10] Whatever it is, even all of that for my
[00:48:14] mind doesn't add up because a president
[00:48:16] of the United States should be able to
[00:48:19] figure this out a little bit better.
[00:48:21] That this is absolutely not in America's
[00:48:24] interest. And we do not have a military
[00:48:28] that is to be handed out to another
[00:48:30] country to do whatever reckless things
[00:48:34] that country is doing. And right now,
[00:48:37] Israel is not only doing reckless
[00:48:40] things, it is committing a genocide. And
[00:48:44] that is not my opinion. That is the
[00:48:47] opinion pervasively of both scholars and
[00:48:54] uh specialists in this matter and in
[00:48:58] Israeli human rights organizations
[00:49:01] uh in uh countless observers inside
[00:49:05] Israel and observers all over the world.
[00:49:09] So, the US is actually, and I'm sorry to
[00:49:13] say it, complicit in genocide right now.
[00:49:16] A president should be able to figure
[00:49:19] this out. And they don't. And so, when
[00:49:22] you ask me this question, I can give you
[00:49:24] a list of answers, but
[00:49:27] >> somehow it doesn't add up for me because
[00:49:30] this is not so hard to figure out that
[00:49:33] we are on a terribly wrong track.
[00:49:36] >> I agree with you completely. I've
[00:49:37] thought about it a lot and um you don't
[00:49:40] have to hate Israel, which I don't, uh
[00:49:42] to ask like why the serial humiliation
[00:49:46] rituals and no one ever says, you know,
[00:49:49] basta ever. And and I do think there's a
[00:49:54] people perceive a deep threat. Well, I
[00:49:55] know that that's true. I wonder if the
[00:49:58] attack on Doha on Qar and in general the
[00:50:03] kind of non-stop effort to malign Qatar
[00:50:06] Qatar is the most important player in US
[00:50:09] pol it's also deranged it's all
[00:50:11] projection but I wonder if bombing a
[00:50:15] close US ally kind of critical US ally
[00:50:17] in that region Qar is a critical US ally
[00:50:19] just to be clear um I wonder if that was
[00:50:22] like too much I wonder if that was the
[00:50:25] beginning of the end for BB Maybe
[00:50:28] >> I have to say there's been a lot that
[00:50:31] should have been the beginning of the
[00:50:33] end going back 30 years uh going back to
[00:50:38] uh the Iraq war uh and even before that.
[00:50:43] uh starving a population in Gaza as
[00:50:47] Israel is doing right now should have
[00:50:50] been enough even without the bombing of
[00:50:55] Qatar. But uh yes, Qatar was an
[00:51:00] extraordinary event. Israel says we
[00:51:04] don't have to obey any laws anywhere. We
[00:51:07] will go anywhere. We will murder anyone.
[00:51:11] It's a murder operation. Mossad
[00:51:13] especially, but also
[00:51:16] this was the Israeli military in this
[00:51:19] case. They
[00:51:22] and and interestingly, what were they
[00:51:24] trying to do? According to them in
[00:51:28] Qatar, they were trying to murder the
[00:51:32] negotiators of Hamas who were
[00:51:35] considering a ceasefire proposal.
[00:51:39] Now, I find it pretty strange that you
[00:51:44] murder your counterpart negotiators as
[00:51:47] they're considering a proposal, but this
[00:51:50] is actually normal behavior of the
[00:51:54] Israeli government. They have done this
[00:51:57] repeatedly now that they murder
[00:52:00] precisely those who are negotiating. And
[00:52:03] the United States has been party to
[00:52:06] this. That's really
[00:52:10] awful and dangerous and absurd. What was
[00:52:16] that war in Iran about? It was a
[00:52:19] disgrace. But what it was about was
[00:52:23] Israel
[00:52:25] trying to stop a negotiated solution to
[00:52:30] the question of uh Iran's nuclear
[00:52:34] program. And people should remember that
[00:52:39] the US uh bombing of Iran took place
[00:52:45] a couple days before what was supposed
[00:52:48] to be the sixth round of negotiations
[00:52:52] with Iran that were reportedly
[00:52:56] progressing uh productively. There were
[00:52:59] serious things to be discussed and
[00:53:03] Israel typically went in and
[00:53:06] assassinated as many people as it could
[00:53:09] that were involved in those negotiations
[00:53:13] that were in senior reaches of the
[00:53:16] Iranian government. And then the United
[00:53:18] States joined in. Uh by the United
[00:53:21] States, I I mean uh President Trump and
[00:53:24] the military joined in
[00:53:29] in the midst of a negotiating process.
[00:53:33] Israel murdered the negotiators of
[00:53:36] Hezbollah. Israel has repeatedly
[00:53:40] murdered counterparts who would
[00:53:42] negotiate.
[00:53:44] Israel's right murdered its own prime
[00:53:46] minister who was trying to negotiate a
[00:53:48] peace. Yetsak Rabbine. This is the mode
[00:53:53] of operation of this extremist Israeli
[00:53:57] government that our politicians support
[00:54:01] to the hilt. And they do it uh
[00:54:07] knowing that what Israel is propounding
[00:54:11] is an absolutely extraordinary
[00:54:14] and deadly policy. And just to put it
[00:54:18] one more time, what Netanyahu and his
[00:54:22] coalition represent is a claim that is
[00:54:27] called greater Israel or eritz Israel
[00:54:32] hashma
[00:54:34] which in Hebrew is the greater Israel.
[00:54:38] And the claim is that Israel will
[00:54:43] control all of the lands that were the
[00:54:46] British Palestine. Uh Britain uh after
[00:54:51] World War I took imperial control over
[00:54:55] Palestine as usual. Britain left a
[00:54:58] disaster. This is Britain's way in the
[00:55:01] world. and
[00:55:04] instead of uh a Palestinian state for
[00:55:08] the 8 million Palestinian Arabs and a uh
[00:55:13] Israeli state for the 8 million Israeli
[00:55:16] Jews, what Netanyahu and his coalition
[00:55:20] want is that Israel controls all of the
[00:55:25] land, including therefore half the
[00:55:28] population that are Palestinian Arabs.
[00:55:31] Of course, they want to expel them.
[00:55:33] They're very clear about that. They want
[00:55:36] them out. They want an Arab free land of
[00:55:41] Israel. It's a
[00:55:44] unbelievably
[00:55:46] uh violent and destructive what they're
[00:55:50] doing. And this is what we are
[00:55:54] defending. And so
[00:55:57] again, Netanyahu came to the United
[00:56:00] Nations last week and he was very clear
[00:56:03] for any of these defenders of Israel in
[00:56:07] the United States. Uh Netanyahu said
[00:56:11] there will never be
[00:56:14] a state of Palestine.
[00:56:16] Now, are we really signing up to that?
[00:56:19] because that's signing up to mass war
[00:56:23] crimes, to genocidal actions, and to
[00:56:28] perpetual war for the United States. It
[00:56:32] But honestly, until today,
[00:56:36] President Trump hasn't said anything
[00:56:40] about that. The whole vast majority of
[00:56:43] the world says, "Of course, there needs
[00:56:45] to be a state of Palestine. Are you
[00:56:46] kidding? There are 8 million Palestinian
[00:56:48] Arabs. What else is there going to be?
[00:56:50] The International Court of Justice says
[00:56:52] this. The UN General Assembly says this.
[00:56:54] The UN Security Council says this,
[00:56:56] except the United States government,
[00:56:59] which says, "No, we protect Israel in
[00:57:02] this murderous path that they're on."
[00:57:04] >> It's remarkable. It's It's nauseating to
[00:57:07] me and shocking to me that any Christian
[00:57:09] could support this. Um especially with
[00:57:12] the enthusiasm that they do. And I, you
[00:57:14] know, God is going to have to judge
[00:57:16] them. I just think that's um it's so
[00:57:19] >> it's a little strange by the way even
[00:57:22] when when when Yes, it is a little
[00:57:24] strange when when Senator Cruz uh when
[00:57:29] you asked him about this, he couldn't
[00:57:31] even quote the Bible, right? By the way,
[00:57:33] uh he you you asked him and he said um
[00:57:38] >> well, God says that uh I will bless
[00:57:42] those who bless Israel, which is by the
[00:57:44] way not uh Genesis says. No,
[00:57:48] >> it says I will bless those who bless
[00:57:52] Abraham. This is a little bit different.
[00:57:55] uh and uh he couldn't even quote the
[00:57:58] passage properly, but it was in that
[00:58:01] name
[00:58:02] >> that he said this is why we have to do
[00:58:04] it. It's like you just heard or just we
[00:58:08] were just listening to Lindsey Graham.
[00:58:10] They can't even quote this so-called
[00:58:13] scripture that's telling them what to
[00:58:14] do. It's so preposterous
[00:58:17] and sad.
[00:58:18] >> Its effect is to is to really distort
[00:58:21] American politics. I thought we agreed
[00:58:23] during the Russia hysteria of the last
[00:58:26] administration that it was wrong and
[00:58:29] illegal actually for a foreign
[00:58:31] government to control our politics. Like
[00:58:34] I thought we all agreed on that. I've
[00:58:36] always felt that way. No matter what the
[00:58:37] government, Russia was not controlling
[00:58:39] our politics. That was the lie there.
[00:58:40] But the truth was that's wrong. And now
[00:58:44] it seems like our entire national
[00:58:46] conversation is about this tiny totally
[00:58:48] irrelevant little country with a one
[00:58:50] great city, Jerusalem. a geopolitically
[00:58:53] irrelevant country and that's at the
[00:58:56] behest of a foreign government and who's
[00:58:59] openly saying you don't agree with us
[00:59:01] we're going to censor you how can that
[00:59:03] stand how can a foreign leader call for
[00:59:06] censorship of American citizens and then
[00:59:09] all those little satellite groups the
[00:59:10] ADL Apac all of them all push that and
[00:59:13] then the Congress obeys like that seems
[00:59:16] to me that's got to be a red line No,
[00:59:21] >> there are so many big lies in all that
[00:59:24] is said day by day, but the biggest uh
[00:59:28] big lie in this regard is as as you
[00:59:31] noted rightly to say that those who are
[00:59:35] against Israel are anti-semites.
[00:59:37] >> Well, exactly.
[00:59:38] >> I I happen to be Jewish. I'm a gasast at
[00:59:42] what Israel is doing because Israel is a
[00:59:46] state. Uh it is first of all not a
[00:59:49] religion and least of all is it a
[00:59:51] reflection of 2,000 years of Jewish
[00:59:54] culture uh which is not what Israel is
[00:59:58] about at all and to say that it's
[01:00:02] anti-semitic
[01:00:03] to oppose a genocide or to oppose all of
[01:00:07] these wars that Israel is provoking
[01:00:12] is obviously a big lie. But that is what
[01:00:16] is propounded. And it's it really um
[01:00:22] it's strange uh to uh uh hear this
[01:00:26] especially because
[01:00:28] when one understands the history uh of
[01:00:31] Israel and the history of Zionism which
[01:00:34] is the political philosophy uh calling
[01:00:37] for the state of Israel.
[01:00:41] People should know, it's a little may
[01:00:43] sound a little strange in our current
[01:00:45] context. Uh,
[01:00:48] religious Jews were against Zionism at
[01:00:51] the start. This was not
[01:00:53] >> this wasn't even a a Jewish religious
[01:00:56] movement at all. This was a a group of
[01:01:00] uh basically secular Jews in Eastern
[01:01:04] Europe. And the rabbis of the day told
[01:01:08] them, "No, don't do this. this is a bad
[01:01:11] idea. This is not what Judaism is. This
[01:01:15] is just going to create a tremendous
[01:01:18] amount of trouble. And so this idea that
[01:01:23] being critical of Israel is somehow
[01:01:25] being anti-Semitic, which is what is
[01:01:28] being used as a cudgel against American
[01:01:31] society right now and against American
[01:01:34] universities, but uh pretty much across
[01:01:37] the board is not only wrong and absurd,
[01:01:41] but completely against the true history
[01:01:45] of these issues. And there's a a lot
[01:01:49] that can be said about it. But one thing
[01:01:51] that is a an illustration of this point,
[01:01:56] Israel emerged from British imperialism.
[01:02:01] Uh actually the uh modern Zionism
[01:02:04] so-called uh which was the idea of
[01:02:08] creating a Jewish state was a British
[01:02:12] Christian idea in the 19th century. It
[01:02:16] did not start as a Jewish idea. It was a
[01:02:19] British Christian idea. In Jewish
[01:02:23] tradition of 2,000 years, Jews were to
[01:02:26] live anywhere and they were to make
[01:02:30] their faith anywhere at their local
[01:02:33] synagogue. They didn't have to be
[01:02:35] anywhere in particular. There was no
[01:02:37] land idolatry. uh there was just a set
[01:02:41] of uh religious and ethical tenants that
[01:02:46] that was it. And there was no not only
[01:02:51] no mass call to uh have a Jewish state
[01:02:56] that was viewed as heretical, a term
[01:02:59] that you used earlier. uh in uh one of
[01:03:02] the guiding texts of religious Judaism,
[01:03:06] the Talmud, there is a part called the
[01:03:09] three oaths which rabbis in the early
[01:03:14] centuries AD uh wrote and compiled and
[01:03:20] this part Cubot
[01:03:23] 111 says don't return
[01:03:27] to Israel on mos don't because it'll
[01:03:31] just create trouble. Live peacefully
[01:03:33] where you are. That's actually a
[01:03:35] talmutic injunction that the rabbis
[01:03:38] followed for couple thousand years
[01:03:41] basically. So this whole idea of the uh
[01:03:47] modern
[01:03:48] state of Israel was actually a Christian
[01:03:51] idea. Yes.
[01:03:53] >> Specifically a British Christian idea.
[01:03:56] And it was an Anglican reverend who
[01:04:00] kind of gave this idea uh to Theodore
[01:04:05] Herzel who was a secular Jew in Vienna
[01:04:09] in the last years of the 19th century.
[01:04:12] Well, just without going into all of the
[01:04:16] detailed history, in 1917,
[01:04:20] Britain did a typical British imperial
[01:04:23] thing. Uh during World War I, it
[01:04:26] promised Palestine repeatedly to
[01:04:29] different groups. Uh Britain is nothing
[01:04:33] but deceitful in its imperial methods.
[01:04:37] So it promised the land of Palestine to
[01:04:39] the Arabs first in what are called the
[01:04:42] McMahon Sharif letters. uh it promised
[01:04:46] uh the Middle East to be divided with
[01:04:50] the French in what's called the
[01:04:52] Sykespico treaty and it uh then in 20 in
[01:04:58] 1917 excuse me uh under
[01:05:02] lobbying pressure uh of
[01:05:05] British and American Zionists or British
[01:05:10] Zionists who said let's bring America
[01:05:12] into this war thinking that It would be
[01:05:15] good announced in what's called the
[01:05:18] Balffor declaration that there should be
[01:05:20] a Jewish homeland in Palestine after
[01:05:24] World War I. Remember this was not even
[01:05:26] British land. This was Ottoman
[01:05:29] territory. But Britain being the British
[01:05:32] Empire said we're going to determine the
[01:05:34] fate of this and announce uh in the
[01:05:37] Balffor declaration that there should be
[01:05:39] a Jewish homeland.
[01:05:42] Now there was one Jew in the British
[01:05:45] cabinet in 1917,
[01:05:49] Edwin Montigue.
[01:05:51] What was that one Jew's reaction to the
[01:05:55] Balffor declaration which was issued by
[01:05:58] the foreign secretary? It was to oppose
[01:06:01] strongly, strenuously the Balffor
[01:06:03] declaration. What did Montigue say in a
[01:06:06] famous letter? He said, "Why are you
[01:06:09] doing this? We don't need a Jewish
[01:06:12] homeland. Jews are a religion. They're
[01:06:15] not a nation. They don't need a nation.
[01:06:18] And if you do this, you make me seem
[01:06:21] like I'm not British. I am first
[01:06:24] British. Thank you. I happen to be
[01:06:27] Jewish, but I'm British. And if you say
[01:06:30] that now, oh no, the Jews are in the
[01:06:35] state of uh Palestine. That's where
[01:06:37] their homeland is. you're going to make
[01:06:40] it seem like I'm less British. And this
[01:06:44] is how many people have felt over time.
[01:06:48] And I, as an American, completely
[01:06:52] totally resent when Netanyahu says,
[01:06:56] "We're the state of the Jewish people."
[01:07:00] Nonsense. That's even it's revolting. I
[01:07:04] happen to be Jewish, but Israel is not
[01:07:06] my state. the United States is my state
[01:07:09] >> and and it's revoling to be told
[01:07:11] otherwise.
[01:07:13] >> Who the heck is he
[01:07:15] >> to tell me this? Who's the who the heck
[01:07:17] is the Israeli government to declare
[01:07:21] such a thing? Complete nonsense. And so
[01:07:25] the history of all of this is completely
[01:07:28] different from what is thought and the
[01:07:31] claim that it is anti-semitic
[01:07:34] to be against the ghastly things that
[01:07:37] Israel is doing, stopping food shipments
[01:07:41] into Gaza to starve people, destroying
[01:07:44] all of the infrastructure to make Gaza a
[01:07:48] place of 2 million people unlivable,
[01:07:53] murdering ing more than 60 million
[01:07:55] people, the significant majority of whom
[01:07:59] are women and children, and then to be
[01:08:01] told, "No, you can't say you're against
[01:08:03] that. That's anti-semitic."
[01:08:06] This is a preposterous propaganda, not
[01:08:09] not a reality. It has nothing to do with
[01:08:13] this uh in in reality. And Zionism is
[01:08:17] not Judaism. It is a political ideology.
[01:08:21] and the extremist Zionism of Netanyahu
[01:08:25] and his cronies
[01:08:29] Smootric and Ben Gavir in particular who
[01:08:32] are murderous uh members of this
[01:08:36] government. Uh this is an extremism that
[01:08:40] is completely disgusting and has nothing
[01:08:45] whatsoever to do with Jewish beliefs or
[01:08:48] Jewish ethics.
[01:08:50] I I think one of the reasons that
[01:08:52] religious authorities in Europe at the
[01:08:55] time of the Belffor declaration, some of
[01:08:56] them thought this was a bad idea is
[01:08:58] because you know the point of being in
[01:09:00] the land of Israel biblically was
[01:09:03] because the temple was in Jerusalem on
[01:09:05] the temple mount right where Abraham
[01:09:08] brought Isaac and that was the center of
[01:09:11] the religion until 70 AD when the Romans
[01:09:13] destroyed the city and the temple and
[01:09:16] now so and then subsequently of course
[01:09:18] the rise of Islam Alaka mosque, third
[01:09:21] holiest place in Islam, was built on
[01:09:23] that site and the foundation is called
[01:09:25] the Western Wall, the Wailing Wall that
[01:09:27] all our politicians go to. The question
[01:09:29] of rebuilding the temple is almost never
[01:09:33] discussed publicly in the United States.
[01:09:35] But there is a huge effort, by the way,
[01:09:37] bankrolled by a lot of Christians, just
[01:09:38] to be completely clear. Um, in the state
[01:09:41] of Texas, for example, there's a whole
[01:09:43] foundation, a number of foundations
[01:09:44] designed to abet this. But there is this
[01:09:47] kind of behind-the-scenes push to
[01:09:50] rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, which
[01:09:52] would require destroying the third
[01:09:54] holiest place in Islam, the mosque, the
[01:09:56] Alaka mosque. I've talked to a bunch of
[01:09:58] people about this who think that it's
[01:10:01] imminent, that it's not crazy to think
[01:10:03] that that mosque would be blown up in
[01:10:06] order to make way for the third temple.
[01:10:08] Do you fear that? If that happens, what
[01:10:11] happens next?
[01:10:13] Well, the extremism on display in Israel
[01:10:17] is uh as I said the most lawless in the
[01:10:22] world today. Israel is the rogue
[01:10:26] state of the whole world. Israel
[01:10:30] flagrantly violates every limit. Israel
[01:10:34] goes to war where it wants to. It
[01:10:38] murders uh foreign leaders where and
[01:10:42] when it wants to. It acts with complete
[01:10:45] impunity and disdain. And Netanyahu
[01:10:49] thinks that he controls and maybe he
[01:10:51] does the US government so that whatever
[01:10:55] he does he thinks he can get away with.
[01:10:58] So there's no doubt that there is a
[01:11:01] third temple movement uh that is uh part
[01:11:06] of this coalition, no doubt uh that
[01:11:10] there are people in this government who
[01:11:12] have absolutely no limit who talk openly
[01:11:17] about uh well they've already said to
[01:11:20] make Gaza completely uninhabitable and
[01:11:24] unlivable. uh that is ethnic cleansing
[01:11:27] or genocide or a combination of the two.
[01:11:31] Well, such people do not have limits.
[01:11:36] Would this go well for Israel? No. This
[01:11:40] would be suicidal.
[01:11:43] But zealatry can be suicidal. And
[01:11:46] there's a lot of zealatry.
[01:11:48] >> By the way, the the word comes from the
[01:11:50] region. Zealots were suicidal
[01:11:55] and and it comes from uh unfortunately
[01:11:58] even the ancient history of Israel.
[01:12:03] Many people then and today did not think
[01:12:07] it was the greatest idea to rebel
[01:12:10] against the Roman Empire. Uh the Jews
[01:12:15] >> ended up destroying themselves.
[01:12:19] uh they champion a mass suicide
[01:12:24] uh in in a place called Msada.
[01:12:28] But you know to have a belief system
[01:12:30] where you're championing mass suicide is
[01:12:33] a little weird. Maybe the behavior
[01:12:36] wasn't so prudent. Maybe it it wasn't so
[01:12:40] wise to be as completely extremist as
[01:12:44] you thought. And uh it's not so wise for
[01:12:47] Israel to be completely extremist and uh
[01:12:54] disdainful of every other place in the
[01:12:58] world thinking that the United States
[01:13:01] has your back so to speak when in fact
[01:13:05] as we said it's a little strange that
[01:13:08] the US politicians do every order of
[01:13:13] Israel up until now but The American
[01:13:15] people are fed up with this.
[01:13:18] >> Yes,
[01:13:18] >> they're disgusted with this. And
[01:13:20] eventually in our political system, that
[01:13:24] tends to move the politics a bit. When
[01:13:27] you have 70% of Americans saying, "Stop.
[01:13:31] This is hellish. What Israel is doing is
[01:13:34] completely terrible." That will
[01:13:36] eventually
[01:13:38] even enter the consciousness of our
[01:13:42] political class. Uh and um so if you ask
[01:13:47] me are there forces in Israel that could
[01:13:50] do this? Absolutely. And uh there are
[01:13:54] those who would do it tomorrow.
[01:13:58] This is a coalition government that
[01:14:02] caused Trump to say that annexation is
[01:14:06] impossible because they were on the
[01:14:09] verge of uh essentially annexing the
[01:14:12] Palestinian lands of the so-called West
[01:14:16] Bank, the West Bank of Jordan.
[01:14:18] completely against international law,
[01:14:21] completely against UN Security Council
[01:14:23] resolutions, completely against
[01:14:25] International Court of Justice,
[01:14:27] completely against reality because it's
[01:14:29] millions of people living there that
[01:14:32] they would have to murder or ethnically
[01:14:34] cleanse or completely suppress, which
[01:14:37] apparently they're ready to do for all
[01:14:39] of them because they say these are all
[01:14:41] hateful people and they don't even count
[01:14:46] how many people they're killing In fact,
[01:14:49] so yes, of course they're ready to do
[01:14:53] what you said.
[01:14:55] >> One of the costs apart from the, you
[01:14:57] know, the cost to the American social
[01:14:59] fabric, which is profound. The cost to
[01:15:01] the US Treasury also profound. It does
[01:15:04] seem like we're in a moment when the
[01:15:05] world is completely realigning. I know
[01:15:07] that you are right in the middle of that
[01:15:09] and have been your whole life. Um, and
[01:15:12] so I think you see it a lot more clearly
[01:15:14] since you're out of the country so
[01:15:16] often. But the huge population centers
[01:15:19] and the economic centers of the world
[01:15:21] which would be India, China to some
[01:15:23] extent, Russia but um Indonesia like
[01:15:26] huge countries bigger than the United
[01:15:28] States economies growing much faster
[01:15:30] they all seem to be kind of aligning
[01:15:32] against the United States and Israel or
[01:15:35] am I imagining that? Well, let me just
[01:15:38] say with regard to this uh Israeli uh
[01:15:43] genocide and extremism,
[01:15:46] almost the entire world knows what's
[01:15:49] happening, sees what's happening, and is
[01:15:52] against what's happening. Uh in this
[01:15:54] regard, the only significant uh state
[01:15:58] that supports Israel is the United
[01:16:01] States. So, it's essentially two against
[01:16:04] the world. As I said, I go to the UN a
[01:16:09] lot and I watch vote after vote and
[01:16:13] there have been several votes in the
[01:16:16] last couple of years showing that this
[01:16:19] is the overwhelming view of the world
[01:16:23] that Israel
[01:16:26] needs to end its rogue behavior. It
[01:16:30] needs to stop the mass murder. It needs
[01:16:33] to stop the starvation. It needs to
[01:16:38] re to to return to its borders, stop the
[01:16:43] wars all around it and enable the state
[01:16:47] of Palestine to exist and to function.
[01:16:52] And just to give you a few uh points on
[01:16:55] this, in several resolutions calling for
[01:17:00] a state of Palestine or Palestinian
[01:17:02] political self-determination,
[01:17:05] there have typically been out of the 193
[01:17:09] UN member states around 180 saying of
[01:17:14] course Palestine has the right of
[01:17:18] political self-determination.
[01:17:20] And there have typically been
[01:17:23] eight or at most 10 opposed to that. So
[01:17:26] around 180 against 10. Who are the 10?
[01:17:32] The 10 of course are Israel and the
[01:17:35] United States. And then Micronisia
[01:17:40] uh
[01:17:41] tiny.
[01:17:43] >> Micro. Yeah.
[01:17:44] >> Yes. Micronia, Nau, Vanuatu,
[01:17:49] Pao, Papu New Guinea. Uh if people want
[01:17:53] to follow them on a map, these are tiny
[01:17:56] dots in in the Pacific Ocean. Uh these
[01:17:59] are states where the US simply buys the
[01:18:03] vote uh because they're maybe 10,000
[01:18:06] people, 12,000 people in Nau or some
[01:18:10] count like that. So the US just pays for
[01:18:12] the vote. or in the case of Micronia,
[01:18:15] they're bound by compact to vote with
[01:18:17] the United States. And the only
[01:18:20] countries of any size that have voted
[01:18:25] any size at all other than these tiny
[01:18:28] tiny dots
[01:18:30] with the the US and Israel have been
[01:18:33] Argentina,
[01:18:35] Paraguay, and uh once in a while
[01:18:40] a country or two in Europe. That's it.
[01:18:43] uh the whole rest of the world is uh
[01:18:46] clear about all of this and when you add
[01:18:51] up the populations in the countries on
[01:18:54] these two sides of the vote and I've
[01:18:57] done that each time of course it's about
[01:19:00] 95% of the world population saying get
[01:19:04] on with it two states a state of
[01:19:07] Palestine a state of Israel Israel needs
[01:19:09] to stop its mass murder it needs to
[01:19:12] returned to the borders of the 4th of
[01:19:14] June 1967. According to international
[01:19:17] law, it needs to stop killing or
[01:19:20] ethnically cleansing or suppressing the
[01:19:23] Palestinian population. That's about
[01:19:26] 95%.
[01:19:28] And 5% is the US and Israel. The US by
[01:19:33] itself is 4.1% of the world population.
[01:19:36] Israel is tiny. Like you said, those
[01:19:39] islands are tiny. You add in Argentina
[01:19:43] and Paraguay and a couple of others and
[01:19:45] you get maybe to 5% of the world
[01:19:47] population. We're completely isolated in
[01:19:51] this. And people should also understand
[01:19:54] there's so many lies that are told
[01:19:57] especially as in our own
[01:20:01] Zionist dominated mass media uh that has
[01:20:06] been recklessly
[01:20:08] uh pro Netanyahu and this extremism for
[01:20:12] a long time. But one of the repeated
[01:20:17] lies is there's no one to talk to. uh
[01:20:20] you there's no way that there could be a
[01:20:22] peaceful Palestinian state. There's no
[01:20:25] way that the Arabs uh could ever be a
[01:20:28] partner in this.
[01:20:30] Completely, ridiculously the opposite.
[01:20:34] Since 2002,
[01:20:36] there has been what is called the Arab
[01:20:39] Peace Initiative, which has said that
[01:20:43] based on two states, there would be
[01:20:47] normal relations between the Arab
[01:20:50] countries and Israel, in other words,
[01:20:52] normalization
[01:20:54] and peace based on a state of Palestine
[01:20:58] alongside the state of Israel. And that
[01:21:01] has been propounded by uh Saudi Arabia
[01:21:05] and the rest of the Arab countries
[01:21:08] nonstop. It has been supported nonstop
[01:21:12] by what's called the organization of
[01:21:15] Islamic cooperation which is the 57
[01:21:19] uh Muslim majority countries of the
[01:21:22] world. They say yes normalization.
[01:21:26] two states. Israel stops its rampage.
[01:21:31] Israel stops its delusions of greater
[01:21:35] Israel. Israel stops its ethnic
[01:21:38] cleansing and murder of the Palestinian
[01:21:40] people, then there can be peace.
[01:21:45] It's not even hard. This is what the
[01:21:48] whole world says. Now the United States
[01:21:52] has used its muscle, its dollars, its
[01:21:56] threats uh even uh giving visas, it
[01:21:59] denied visas to the Palestine authority
[01:22:03] to come to the United Nations uh last
[01:22:06] week uh to be part of the debate about
[01:22:10] this issue. wouldn't even grant visas
[01:22:13] because the US has been so in lock step
[01:22:18] protecting this extremism
[01:22:21] up until now
[01:22:23] that we we just are stuck and everything
[01:22:28] that's said that this is anti-semitic
[01:22:31] that there's no one to talk to that
[01:22:33] there's no possibility of peace it's all
[01:22:36] lies and now about 155 countries
[01:22:40] formally
[01:22:41] recognize
[01:22:42] Palestine,
[01:22:44] including despite the ardent US pressure
[01:22:48] of recent months, Britain and France and
[01:22:53] Australia and a number of other European
[01:22:57] countries just last week said there has
[01:22:59] to be a state of Palestine. But until
[01:23:02] this moment, the Trump administration
[01:23:05] won't say the obvious truth because to
[01:23:09] this moment, we're still trapped in this
[01:23:12] hold of this extraordinary uh giveaway
[01:23:18] of American foreign policy and the whole
[01:23:22] American military and intelligence
[01:23:25] operations to an extremist rogue
[01:23:28] government.
[01:23:31] Netanyahu is is despised, I think, by a
[01:23:34] lot of people in the US government. Um,
[01:23:36] he bragging that you control Donald
[01:23:39] Trump. Um, it's hard to imagine a more
[01:23:41] self-destructive thing. Uh, but he did
[01:23:43] that a lot, including recently. So, I I
[01:23:48] just wonder how long since he basically
[01:23:51] serves at the pleasure of the United
[01:23:52] States, that country couldn't exist
[01:23:54] without not for a week without uh US
[01:23:58] backing. How long can BB keep his job if
[01:24:04] he's despised by, you know, the the US
[01:24:07] government and um and he's got a
[01:24:10] fractured he's got a lot of political
[01:24:12] problems within Israel and he's despised
[01:24:14] by the world. Like, how does he keep
[01:24:15] going?
[01:24:19] It is absolutely remarkable. I'm sure
[01:24:21] that he is despised, but he actually to
[01:24:26] this day continues to get his way,
[01:24:29] including in the last few days. Uh even
[01:24:34] when uh President Trump put forward a
[01:24:39] plan for Gaza, which was a
[01:24:44] a kind of half a plan, but it had uh and
[01:24:47] it has certain things, right? especially
[01:24:50] stopping the fighting and disarmament of
[01:24:55] Hamas. Completely right. But it leaves
[01:24:58] out uh the most crucial point which is a
[01:25:04] state of Palestine to live their lives.
[01:25:08] That was of course Israel's continued uh
[01:25:11] and Netanyahu's continued power. And
[01:25:15] what happened was uh the administration,
[01:25:19] President Trump briefed Arab leaders at
[01:25:21] the end of last week on this plan. They
[01:25:25] said, "Well, there, you know, a number
[01:25:27] of things that are good with this." And
[01:25:30] then Trump met with Netanyahu and uh Ron
[01:25:34] Durmer, who is one of these uh uh forces
[01:25:39] of uh right-wing extremism in Israel.
[01:25:43] And he's an American-born
[01:25:46] advisor to Netanyahu, who was Israel's
[01:25:49] ambassador to the United States for a
[01:25:50] long time. He knows how to pull strings
[01:25:54] of American politicians uh wherever
[01:25:57] those strings and however they arise.
[01:26:01] And they changed the plan as they met
[01:26:04] and basically rewrote key parts of what
[01:26:08] Trump had told the Arabs to say, "Oh, oh
[01:26:12] yes, yes." And and we should remember
[01:26:14] that Israel will remain in control over
[01:26:17] Gaza. They changed what they had
[01:26:20] actually briefed the leaders and then
[01:26:22] unilaterally announced something
[01:26:24] different. And this is just now being
[01:26:27] disclosed in recent hours. This is so
[01:26:31] typical. To this day, there has not been
[01:26:35] an independent US foreign policy. It
[01:26:39] doesn't exist. And so when you ask how
[01:26:42] long can Netanyahu
[01:26:44] last, well, we're still waiting for the
[01:26:47] US government to declare its
[01:26:50] independence, but it hasn't done so yet.
[01:26:53] It hasn't taken the most basic measures
[01:26:56] to do so. Could it do so?
[01:27:00] In a blink of an eye. And when President
[01:27:03] Trump said in the clip that you showed,
[01:27:07] I won't allow Israel to enex the West
[01:27:11] Bank,
[01:27:13] of course, he can uh he he can determine
[01:27:17] that. So, he's completely right to say
[01:27:19] that. It's both a completely accurate
[01:27:22] statement. It is the right thing to say
[01:27:25] what President Trump said and it's
[01:27:27] completely 100% within his power to say
[01:27:31] it because Israel can't take one step
[01:27:35] without the US backing.
[01:27:38] But President Trump should say along
[01:27:40] with that that there will be a state of
[01:27:43] Palestine so there can be peace. and
[01:27:46] that he hasn't said because of all of
[01:27:49] the forces of Israeli control over the
[01:27:53] White House and Congress. He hasn't said
[01:27:56] what virtually all the rest of the world
[01:27:59] has said. If he says it, there will be
[01:28:02] peace. He can make peace. He's right
[01:28:06] when he says, "I won't allow it." It
[01:28:08] sounds like bombast. How can the United
[01:28:11] States say it won't allow Israel to do
[01:28:13] something? Well, the fact is the United
[01:28:15] States can say it because Israel can't
[01:28:18] take one step without the US protection.
[01:28:22] And just as a very practical matter, uh
[01:28:27] Palestine,
[01:28:29] which is recognized by more than 150
[01:28:31] countries, applied 14 years ago for
[01:28:35] membership in the United Nations. And in
[01:28:38] that process, you make an application to
[01:28:40] the Secretary General of the UN. Then
[01:28:42] the secretary general refers it to a
[01:28:44] membership committee which is the UN
[01:28:47] security council acting as a membership
[01:28:50] committee based on the recommendation of
[01:28:53] that membership committee then the UN
[01:28:55] security council considers this. So 11
[01:28:58] years ago in 20ou 14 years ago in 2011
[01:29:02] uh Palestine made its application and
[01:29:06] the committee of membership said yes
[01:29:09] Palestine has all of the attributes of
[01:29:12] statehood. It has a permanent population
[01:29:16] that's the Palestinian Arabs. It has
[01:29:19] boundaries which are the legal
[01:29:21] boundaries of the 4th of June 1967. Not
[01:29:24] the boundaries of Israeli illegal
[01:29:28] occupation but the legal boundaries 4th
[01:29:31] of June 1967
[01:29:33] and it
[01:29:35] wants to enter the UN as a UN charter
[01:29:39] abiding country. Those are the criteria.
[01:29:42] So the membership committee said, "Yes,
[01:29:46] of course, Palestine qualifies." At the
[01:29:48] time, what did the US government do
[01:29:51] under Obama? Well, Obama was uh under
[01:29:54] complete Israel control like all of
[01:29:58] American presidents are. And so he said
[01:30:02] to the Palestinians, "No, no, don't
[01:30:04] don't uh don't don't push so hard.
[01:30:07] You'll get it. you'll get it very soon,
[01:30:09] but right now just ask to be an
[01:30:12] observer. You don't have to be a member.
[01:30:15] So, the Palestinians listened to the
[01:30:18] wonderful president of the United States
[01:30:20] and they took observer status. Of
[01:30:24] course, there was no followup. This is
[01:30:26] the endless charade of
[01:30:30] Israel and and American politics. Israel
[01:30:33] dead set against a state of Palestine.
[01:30:35] the US doing whatever Israel says. And
[01:30:38] so it didn't come up again until last
[01:30:42] year, 2024.
[01:30:44] And then waiting 13 years and suffering
[01:30:48] a genocide. Thank you. Uh the
[01:30:50] Palestinians reapplied
[01:30:53] since they already had the decision of
[01:30:56] the membership committee. It went
[01:30:58] straight to the UN Security Council.
[01:31:00] What happened in the UN Security
[01:31:02] Council? This is under Biden. Of course,
[01:31:05] they vetoed statethood. Uh it was the
[01:31:08] one veto. So there was a unanimous vote
[01:31:11] 12 uh to nothing against two abstensions
[01:31:15] and the US veto and then it went to the
[01:31:18] general assembly where I already
[01:31:20] explained you had an overwhelming vote
[01:31:23] of the whole world community for
[01:31:24] Palestinian statethood. But in the UN uh
[01:31:27] you need uh membership
[01:31:30] a vote of the UN Security Council where
[01:31:33] the US has a veto. So just to say not
[01:31:37] only can President Trump stop
[01:31:40] uh annexation of the West Bank as he
[01:31:44] said he he intends to do. Bravo. He
[01:31:47] could also make a state of Palestine
[01:31:49] within about 10 minutes. He would
[01:31:51] convene the 15 members of the UN
[01:31:54] Security Council and lift the US veto
[01:31:56] and there would be a unanimous vote of
[01:31:58] the UN Security Council and Palestine
[01:32:01] would enter as the 194th UN member state
[01:32:04] and on that basis Israel would have to
[01:32:09] withdraw because Israel would then be in
[01:32:12] a fight with the whole world which it
[01:32:15] can't be in. Uh so this is quite
[01:32:19] straightforward. If we want to make
[01:32:21] peace, it's absolutely possible. If we
[01:32:24] want to follow Israel, we are following
[01:32:26] the path of perpetual war.
[01:32:30] >> Jeffrey Saxs of Columbia University.
[01:32:32] Thank you for taking all this time.
[01:32:34] >> Well, it's always great to be with you,
[01:32:36] Tucker. I appreciate it.
[01:32:37] >> I do. Thanks a lot. I'll see you soon.
[01:32:40] >> Great.
[01:32:44] >> We'll be back next Wednesday. Thank you.
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