Tucker and Mike Cernovich on Nicolas Maduro’s Capture, Charlie Kirk’s Murder, and Battling Demons

[00:00:04] Thank you, Mike, for doing this. [00:00:06] >> So, what do you think of the [00:00:08] apprehension of Nicholas Maduro? [00:00:11] >> I' I've dealing with a lot of cuz I [00:00:13] spent a lot of time online, which you [00:00:15] don't, and I think there's pros and cons [00:00:18] to each approach. [00:00:19] >> And the the pro is that you're really [00:00:22] plugged in. The con is that if you read [00:00:25] the comments, which I do, you really [00:00:27] take a lashing every day. Like I just [00:00:30] all l cuz you can't by by virtue of [00:00:33] taking a position you just get lashed by [00:00:35] one side or the other. [00:00:36] >> Heard that. [00:00:37] >> So now apparently I'm a neocon again. [00:00:39] I'm a I'm a neocon which is bizarre [00:00:41] because I was pro the the raid on Maduro [00:00:44] and people say well therefore you're a [00:00:46] neocon and the answer [00:00:47] >> well you're not a neocon which is so [00:00:48] that's why it's interesting that you [00:00:49] were in favor of [00:00:50] >> course but if you're if you're online [00:00:51] yeah of course but if you're online [00:00:52] you're whatever the most extreme that's [00:00:54] what they call you [00:00:55] >> and no I'm not I'm not and I'm not an [00:00:57] interventionist either but there's a I [00:01:01] feel like we're always stuck between [00:01:03] this false dialectic of you either do [00:01:05] nothing or boots on the ground we need [00:01:08] full marine battalions to take the beach [00:01:10] heads. Whereas I've always been approach [00:01:13] I've always been a fan of the Trump [00:01:14] approach which is used alpha. We have [00:01:16] these guys do targeted strikes remind [00:01:18] the world that the USA is still a world [00:01:20] power even though we might not feel that [00:01:22] way and exercise our might for for a [00:01:27] good purpose. So people say, "Well, this [00:01:30] is Iraq or Afghanistan again." And I go, [00:01:32] "The people of Venezuela are not the [00:01:33] people have they're not the same people, [00:01:36] >> right, [00:01:36] >> as Afghanistan. It's a different people. [00:01:38] We've had special forces there for [00:01:40] three, four decades. We've had business [00:01:43] interests there for decades. The people [00:01:45] of Venezuela voted out Maduro tried to [00:01:47] and they couldn't get rid of them. So, [00:01:49] we went in and we got rid of them. So, [00:01:51] obviously, I oppose escalation [00:01:54] and whatever. But the parade of wars, [00:01:57] especially after SMAN, just hasn't [00:01:58] happened yet. And that's because I I've [00:02:00] talked to a lot of um special operations [00:02:03] guys during the Trump admin and his the [00:02:07] way his approach differed and this was [00:02:10] covered a little bit in the media but [00:02:11] not enough is under Obama [00:02:14] they just didn't let the D boys and them [00:02:16] run missions. They everything had to get [00:02:18] approval and work up the chain and by [00:02:20] the time it happened they didn't have [00:02:21] their targets. And the Trump approach [00:02:23] was we we have these people, they're [00:02:25] trained the the the level of the [00:02:28] missions that they can accomplish, which [00:02:30] we saw on video, is unbelievable, right? [00:02:33] And he lets them he lets them do the [00:02:35] missions, they do the targeted strikes. [00:02:36] I've I've always been supportive of [00:02:38] that. [00:02:41] Yeah. Um I don't know if I mean I've got [00:02:43] a double stack staccato 9 in my bedside [00:02:45] drawer. I've never used it. I don't feel [00:02:46] the need to use it. But I mean, just cuz [00:02:48] like But no, I Well, I'll just tell you [00:02:52] what I'm grateful for. And I'm grateful [00:02:54] for the wisdom of not taking out the [00:02:58] entire government. Not because I support [00:03:00] the government, but because, you know, [00:03:02] we have clear models in Iraq and Libya [00:03:04] and a lot of Syria. Like, it can be very [00:03:07] hard to put those things back together [00:03:09] again. and the fact that they appear to [00:03:11] be backing Deli Rodriguez, not because [00:03:13] they love her, but because they're in [00:03:15] favor of stability over chaos, uh, and [00:03:17] her brother, and they're kind of, you [00:03:19] know, keeping the structure in place, [00:03:21] but making sure it's pro-American. That [00:03:24] seems like a much wiser approach. That [00:03:27] makes me calm down a little bit. Right. [00:03:30] >> Yeah. the the the problem that everybody [00:03:34] the neoliberal and even some people on [00:03:37] the right have is they don't understand [00:03:39] that you needed a strong man like Saddam [00:03:41] Hussein to keep all these religious [00:03:43] >> sex together and it's obviously it's [00:03:45] obvious in hindsight right but at the [00:03:47] time people either didn't know and in my [00:03:49] opinion they didn't know I think that's [00:03:50] true [00:03:50] >> people people were just generally [00:03:52] clueless like I remember I spent time [00:03:54] with my wife in Vietnam and and you [00:03:56] you'd roam around all over the place and [00:03:58] I remember we did the tours of the caves [00:04:01] And all I could think of was [00:04:03] >> the tunnels. [00:04:05] >> Not even the tunnels yet, just the caves [00:04:06] and the jungle. And all I could think of [00:04:08] was, I can't even fit in through here. [00:04:11] What in the world are we doing? Sending [00:04:12] 18-year-old cornfed boys and black guys [00:04:16] into V the Vietnam jungles. Cuz if [00:04:18] anybody had done any kind of advanced [00:04:20] recon, you would just say, "Our guys are [00:04:22] too big for the territory." You would [00:04:23] literally just go through. There's [00:04:25] there's just a lot to be said for [00:04:27] looking at the real estate. And you [00:04:29] would walk through and forget the tunnel [00:04:30] rats and all the other [snorts] ways [00:04:32] that they were buried in. You would just [00:04:34] say there's no way we can send our [00:04:36] people out here. This is just a [00:04:37] completely different area. And then [00:04:40] Vietnam people have always tried to [00:04:42] conquer them for thousands of years and [00:04:44] they actually take pride in not being [00:04:45] conquered. And the foreign policy elite [00:04:47] of course just said, "Well, we're going [00:04:48] to do Vietnam." And it was the same [00:04:50] thing with Iraq and Libya. Oh, all [00:04:52] people are the same. Everybody's the [00:04:54] same, [00:04:55] >> right? [00:04:55] >> We'll just remove Saddam Hussein and and [00:04:57] everything will be fine. And then of [00:04:58] course you have a mess. But with [00:05:00] Venezuela and Latin America, [00:05:02] they're they're just pretty much like [00:05:04] us. It's a a little bit of different [00:05:06] culture, but they've been influenced by [00:05:08] the Europeans. They've been influenced [00:05:10] by Catholic Church. They're running a [00:05:13] like similar operating system. You can [00:05:16] communicate to them in sort of like a [00:05:18] shared language. So even though people [00:05:20] have doctrinal debates and everybody [00:05:22] want like debates religion and what's [00:05:23] the truth, which to me is like the most [00:05:25] boring thing in the world. Like if [00:05:27] somebody's a Christian and I'm a [00:05:29] Christian, you're going to maybe [00:05:30] disagree about can you drink, can you do [00:05:33] this, what is this, but you're still in [00:05:35] the same language, right? You're still [00:05:38] able to you're still like close enough [00:05:41] that you can [00:05:42] >> like you can understand what someone's [00:05:44] saying [00:05:44] >> and we we didn't share a framework with [00:05:45] the Middle East. No, [00:05:46] >> which is a big problem. So in Venezuela, [00:05:48] it's a it's a different it's a different [00:05:50] situation. And I also like that the air [00:05:54] defense was completely disabled. Even in [00:05:56] the Iran strike that happened a few [00:05:58] months ago, we we disabled their air [00:06:00] system. We we sent a message and I think [00:06:02] we need to send a message. The [00:06:05] I'm sounding like a neocon. That's why I [00:06:06] hate that neocon I hate that neocons [00:06:08] ruined it for all of us. I hate that [00:06:10] neocons ruined the discussion where you [00:06:14] can't just talk about how it's good to [00:06:16] have military might. It's good to remind [00:06:18] the world that we exist and that we can [00:06:20] do these things. We being the United [00:06:22] States of America, it's good to remind [00:06:24] people that we're still running the [00:06:25] tables, but you talk like that and you [00:06:29] sound again like you belong at the [00:06:31] Weekly Standard or something. [00:06:32] >> Well, I mean, you still have a chance to [00:06:34] pivot against the neocons because the BB [00:06:36] people lit literally BB's office is [00:06:39] pushing for [00:06:41] MCM, this Machado lady, the the gay [00:06:44] marriage lady, the Claus Schwab acolyte. [00:06:47] um who is supposed to be the the Nobel [00:06:49] Prize winner actually who's supposed to [00:06:50] be the president and waiting and Trump [00:06:53] has said flat out no she has no support [00:06:55] we're not doing that but the neocons are [00:06:58] pushing for her they don't want uh the [00:07:00] vice president to ascend to the [00:07:02] presidency so you can say that's crazy [00:07:05] >> well I knew when she won the Nobel Peace [00:07:07] Prize I actually posted we're going to [00:07:08] go into Venezuela [00:07:10] >> I I you can just check the [00:07:11] >> but not with her [00:07:12] >> well no but the point is that's how the [00:07:14] table gets set you can all by Now, by [00:07:17] now you can tell the future if you just [00:07:19] know that they always set the table a [00:07:20] little bit beforehand. And the minute [00:07:22] she won the Nobel Peace Prize and then [00:07:24] praise Trump, oh no, thank you for this. [00:07:27] But and then she's immediately kind of [00:07:29] smooing with Trump, I go, "Oh yeah, [00:07:30] we're we're going into Venezuela." I [00:07:32] don't need any inside. I don't need any [00:07:34] I don't need any top secret sources. [00:07:36] That was all I needed to see. So whoever [00:07:39] we send, I don't know. I just send [00:07:40] Rubio. I I'm just I'm I'm where we went [00:07:43] wrong. And I've had this conversation [00:07:45] with everybody from line infantry guys [00:07:48] to people who did the higher level stuff [00:07:50] in Afghanistan. As they said, we just [00:07:52] didn't want to rule the country. We we [00:07:54] went in and we won all the military [00:07:56] engagements. This is another thing too [00:07:58] why I'm glad the Venezuela [00:08:00] mission happened. I was so I got so [00:08:03] triggered, man. The way that even people [00:08:06] politically aligned with us would talk [00:08:08] about the American fighting man. Oh, [00:08:10] they they can't win a war. They got beat [00:08:12] by people who wear flip-flops and sand. [00:08:14] No, they didn't. We took almost no [00:08:16] casualties in Afghanistan. And I think [00:08:17] the last you were there, I'm not even [00:08:19] sure if there was a single casualty. It [00:08:21] was the occupation that was lost. And [00:08:22] these are just completely different [00:08:24] things. So I I think it's good to just [00:08:27] remind people that was all black pill [00:08:29] doomerism [00:08:31] because of poor leadership by people [00:08:32] like Millie and Biden and the woke [00:08:34] generals and that we we have a it's an [00:08:38] unreal. We should take great pride in [00:08:40] the people that we have in Delta and [00:08:43] SEALs and special operations, [00:08:45] >> of course. But I mean, they're not [00:08:46] making the policy decisions. They're [00:08:47] not. They're the instruments of other [00:08:49] people's decisions. [00:08:50] >> They they are, but they it's a two-way [00:08:52] street. These guys are not potted [00:08:54] plants, right? [00:08:55] >> Of course not. But I'm merely saying you [00:08:57] can't hold, you know, a man with a gun [00:09:00] in his hand responsible for the decision [00:09:02] to be there with a gun in his hand like [00:09:04] he was told to do that by someone in DC. [00:09:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. there with with I I don't [00:09:09] know. I I think that [00:09:11] with I think that to have retention at [00:09:15] these higher level these higher level [00:09:17] units I think is the DC people they [00:09:19] obviously have an opinion but I think I [00:09:21] think those guys get more of a vote than [00:09:23] we might give them credit for. [00:09:24] >> They obviously can't just say well I'm [00:09:26] not going to go do this but they you [00:09:28] know they have a these are strong willed [00:09:30] people. Like I've met enough of these [00:09:31] guys. One they're extremely impressive. [00:09:34] It's just a different caliber of person. [00:09:36] And it's very humbling because because I [00:09:39] would say I couldn't do this. You know, [00:09:40] maybe some aspect of it I could, but I [00:09:42] couldn't. I I I don't have any um [00:09:45] delusions that I would have been a [00:09:46] squadron commander in Delta Force or [00:09:48] whatever. These are unbelievably [00:09:49] impressive people. [00:09:50] >> Yeah, they are. [00:09:50] >> So, they're they're not just, you know, [00:09:53] there, you know, scribbling down notes [00:09:55] while some Muppet gives them [00:09:56] instructions. Did you make a New Year's [00:09:57] resolution? [00:09:59] Eating healthier, perhaps. Of course you [00:10:02] did. We all did. Well, snacks are the [00:10:04] thing that is going to screw you up. But [00:10:07] what if you could eat snacks and still [00:10:09] be healthy? Well, with Vandy Crisps, [00:10:11] there is a way. 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That will be amazing. And I'm [00:11:44] praying for that. [00:11:45] >> Yeah. It's always good to I mean it's [00:11:47] always good to look what look at what [00:11:49] victory looks like. And [00:11:51] >> so you think this is victory? [00:11:53] >> No. It's good to think what victory [00:11:55] would look like. [00:11:56] >> Yes. [00:11:56] >> This was this was the first step. I [00:11:58] think it was a good step. But victory [00:12:01] looks like we install our person who is [00:12:06] aligned. But you can't have a puppet [00:12:08] because then every cuz remember 2028 is [00:12:11] not guaranteed. So we have to think [00:12:13] longer term too and you want to get a [00:12:16] person who's aligned and is has their [00:12:19] own point of view but generally is going [00:12:21] to do the right thing. The people of [00:12:23] Venezuela dude they were eating that I [00:12:25] mean you're in Florida you talk to [00:12:27] anybody in Florida they're thrilled that [00:12:30] that this happened that Maduro is out of [00:12:32] power. A lot of these people they had [00:12:33] their farms taken their land taken. See [00:12:35] I don't care about that. Like you show [00:12:37] up in our country, you adopt our [00:12:39] concerns and importing your homeland's [00:12:43] conflicts into my country and making [00:12:45] those the basis of my foreign policy [00:12:47] should strip your citizenship [00:12:49] immediately. [00:12:51] >> What I mean I don't know like I'm not [00:12:54] advocating for [00:12:56] anything in Sweden or Great Britain. I [00:12:58] mean I do you know what I mean? Like [00:12:59] >> they were up they were during during [00:13:01] World War I though. That's what we the [00:13:03] Anglo who founded the country. So I [00:13:05] guess they were allowed to do it, but if [00:13:07] you go back and read the debates around [00:13:08] World War I, a lot of it was about, [00:13:10] well, we should go back because that's [00:13:12] the homeland and people are naturally [00:13:14] going to do that, which is why gen which [00:13:16] is why I support immigration moritarium, [00:13:18] everything, but you I don't know. I'm I [00:13:20] I guess I'm more of a pragmatist and [00:13:22] idealist. We live in the world sort of [00:13:23] as it is. And Florida used to be a swing [00:13:26] state. It's deep red now. Venezuelans [00:13:29] who come over are anti-communist. We [00:13:30] need anti-communist. Miami anti- like I [00:13:34] gave an example. [00:13:36] So if if I if I if you hold events, I [00:13:38] mean, you're way too famous at this [00:13:40] point. God help you. Is [sighs] I mean [00:13:43] that like sincerely, like God help you. [00:13:44] Um [00:13:46] if you go to Miami and Antifa or [00:13:48] somebody showed up, the Cubans would [00:13:49] just say, "What do you get out of here [00:13:51] like we're going to [00:13:51] >> Well, they did that during BLM. [00:13:52] >> We're going to like beat your asses. [00:13:54] >> Miami had no meaningful BLM riots. Tampa [00:13:58] did. Why? cuz Tampa is the only majority [00:14:01] white city in Florida. That's why. [00:14:02] >> Right. So whites. [00:14:04] >> It's like whites indulge in that [00:14:06] and the Cubans and Venezuelans who come [00:14:08] in and lived under communism. So [00:14:10] >> I if I if I look at the whole picture, [00:14:11] sometimes it's good to get a little [00:14:13] injection of people who live, you know, [00:14:15] who lived under that because they're [00:14:16] going to [00:14:18] >> they're going to see it not as an [00:14:19] abstract philosophical gentlemanly [00:14:21] debate about, oh, should we allow wealth [00:14:24] confiscation and for your homelands to [00:14:25] be destroyed? They see it as a a fight [00:14:27] for survival. So I I get it. I just it [00:14:30] to take the attention away from our [00:14:32] country, which as far as I'm concerned [00:14:35] is not thriving. Doesn't seem to be from [00:14:38] driving around or there's some problems [00:14:39] that need to be addressed. Big problems, [00:14:42] imminent problems. And I don't know to [00:14:44] spend all your time worrying about Cuba. [00:14:47] Like I don't I love the Cubans here. [00:14:49] Love them. [00:14:51] >> But how much money do you want to spend [00:14:53] out of like your kid's college fund on [00:14:55] regime changing Cuba? [00:14:58] I I'm I'm more of an imperialist I guess [00:15:00] than you. Like where we live in Rome, [00:15:02] the empires do what empires do. Like I I [00:15:05] just [00:15:05] >> But look what happened to Rome and [00:15:07] London. [00:15:08] >> Well, and [laughter] [00:15:10] >> Venice and every other empire, [00:15:13] >> but Rome Rome lasted a long time. It did [00:15:15] till the fall of Constantinople, which [00:15:17] was [00:15:17] >> well that no eastern the Holy Roman [00:15:20] Empire. [00:15:21] >> Okay, you're you're adding a few [00:15:22] centuries on there. [00:15:24] >> No, I I remember it's a funny story [00:15:26] actually. I remember [00:15:27] I was because I, you know, I'm [00:15:29] argumentative sometimes and [00:15:32] >> I remember in my 20s I would always hear [00:15:34] people say, "Oh, this is like the fall [00:15:36] of the the Roman Empire." I was like, "I [00:15:38] wonder what that means." Well, this is [00:15:39] all pre- internet, too. So, you couldn't [00:15:41] just read read Twitter all day and have [00:15:44] people summarize it. And so, I bought [00:15:46] Gibbons: The Decline of Fall of the [00:15:48] Roman Empire. [00:15:49] >> All three volumes, the single most [00:15:50] boring treatment ever written. [00:15:52] >> And it it's very well written though. [00:15:54] And I just kept reading and reading and [00:15:56] reading and reading and reading and I [00:15:57] think I got the a bridge six volume or [00:15:59] whatever and I made it through 306 [00:16:02] >> and I go there's a lot to Rome. I don't [00:16:03] know if we can just say there's a [00:16:04] singular point where oh this is where [00:16:08] it's just like the decline of fall. So [00:16:10] >> I'm more I'm more um bullshik pill on [00:16:15] the time we're in. Like I I think we're [00:16:17] much more closer to the time of Franco [00:16:20] or the time of thesar in Russia and you [00:16:22] know like mystery grove when he [00:16:23] republished those books. I read all [00:16:25] those and I did too. [00:16:26] >> I had no real like the white I remember [00:16:28] actually it was funny when you said uh [00:16:30] where's the white army and then all [00:16:32] these websites try to say he he was a [00:16:34] Nazi army and I was like you historical [00:16:36] illiterates. It was the white army. It [00:16:37] was the people fighting the [00:16:38] >> white army. Yeah. [00:16:39] >> Yeah. No. No. But you realize how [00:16:41] illiterate historic [00:16:41] >> Oh, they thought that I meant like white [00:16:43] like the David army or something. [00:16:44] >> Yeah. No, I know. I mean [laughter] [00:16:46] again, no I know I remember and I was [00:16:48] like wow these people are just [00:16:49] illiterate historic illiterates and no [00:16:53] cuz she was sending the monologue like [00:16:54] where's our white army and immediately [00:16:56] it was like Twitter was like lighting up [00:16:58] Tucker Carlson wants [00:16:59] >> this is why I don't look at it that's [00:17:01] spiriting [laughter] [00:17:02] >> and uh no but that's really how [00:17:04] illiterate people are and people who [00:17:06] write for a living should know better [00:17:07] right cuz I didn't know what the white [00:17:09] army was until I was under lockdown on [00:17:11] co co in a way was the worst thing to [00:17:15] happen to regime propaganda. [00:17:18] >> Yes. [00:17:18] >> Cuz everybody was locked in and we had [00:17:20] all these smart people who are just like [00:17:22] posting things and you'd have these long [00:17:24] threads and I go I never General Franco [00:17:26] all I knew about General Franco was he's [00:17:28] a fascist, right? General Franco was [00:17:29] bad. Um the Republicans were good and [00:17:32] that was my understanding of it. Uh [00:17:34] Cortez was bad, the concisadors were [00:17:36] evil men. They were they were great [00:17:37] wicked people. Okay, that was that's [00:17:39] what I learned in school. Bolshwick [00:17:42] revolution. I kind of had a sense that [00:17:43] it happened and that the communists won [00:17:45] and it wasn't good, but I didn't realize [00:17:46] the the full evil, right? And then when [00:17:50] co you're like, "Wait a minute, people [00:17:51] are just posting books." I'm like, [00:17:52] "Well, I guess I'll just keep reading, [00:17:54] you know, reading like three, four books [00:17:56] a week, right?" And [00:17:59] you like you realize, "Oh, no. We we're [00:18:01] not living under the fall of Rome. We're [00:18:03] living under the time of the Spanish [00:18:06] Civil War or the the [00:18:08] revolution. That's what we're living [00:18:09] under." [00:18:09] >> Well, I agree. I agree with that. And [00:18:11] it's about it's a spiritual war as both [00:18:13] of those were. The French Revolution, [00:18:14] same revolutions of 1848, same. It's all [00:18:18] the same. [00:18:18] >> So we need we need the Cubans and the [00:18:20] Venezuelans and the people who [00:18:21] >> I agree. I just want to focus on the [00:18:23] United States to keep it from becoming [00:18:25] Russia. [00:18:26] >> Yeah, but it's like tied together. [00:18:28] >> So [00:18:28] >> So let me Okay, so it does since you [00:18:31] read Gibbon um and bless you for getting [00:18:34] through that. It took me almost a year [00:18:35] to read that whole thing because it's so [00:18:38] tough. But um [00:18:39] >> it's a different it's a different [00:18:40] writing style. [00:18:40] >> It is a different writing style and it's [00:18:42] but it's worth it. [00:18:42] >> So So when you read older books, which [00:18:45] is especially good as we get up there in [00:18:46] the years, they're they have, you know, [00:18:49] cuz I write short, punchy, boom, boom, [00:18:51] boom. But then I have to remind myself, [00:18:53] you got to go back and read to where you [00:18:55] read a full paragraph and you're like, [00:18:56] wait a minute, I need to actually pay [00:18:58] attention to what I'm reading. The the [00:19:00] flow is a little bit different and it's [00:19:02] a a much denser kind of writing. and a [00:19:04] and a booklength idea [00:19:06] >> can be fully formed, [00:19:08] >> right? [00:19:08] >> But okay, but since you're interested in [00:19:10] Rome, there was this pit I mean the [00:19:13] pivot really was not the fall of Rome. [00:19:14] That was the end. And you're you're [00:19:16] giving Istanbul credit for being Rome. [00:19:19] Uh okay. But in the fifth century, Rome, [00:19:21] the place was invaded by the German [00:19:24] tribes and collapsed. [00:19:26] >> So the big pivot though was the move [00:19:28] from republic to empire. [00:19:31] And it kind of feels like that's where [00:19:34] we are. [00:19:35] >> It but we're afraid to be an empire, [00:19:37] >> right? But maybe what we saw two days [00:19:39] ago is the beginning of a period where [00:19:42] like, okay, we're an empire. We're [00:19:43] embracing it. [00:19:44] >> That that was that's I mean that's my [00:19:46] hope is, you know, American imperialism [00:19:48] because I believe we're a just and moral [00:19:50] people. I believe we're a Christian [00:19:51] people. I believe that the Venezuela I [00:19:54] believe in like I believe that the [00:19:57] greatest spiritual [00:19:59] battle is the and I don't mean to sound [00:20:03] like utopian or sound like a [00:20:05] myself because some of this that's why [00:20:07] again the left and the neocons like they [00:20:09] took all this they they ruined they [00:20:11] ruined everything because you end up [00:20:14] sounding like a leftist utopian or you [00:20:16] you sound like a neocon when you say [00:20:18] these things but I just I believe on my [00:20:20] heart that America's the most righteous [00:20:23] country that is has ever lived that the [00:20:25] Western Europe if it if it doesn't fall [00:20:28] needs needs to remain upright and that [00:20:32] human suffering will be reduced by what [00:20:35] was done in Venezuela. So I think that's [00:20:37] one way that I look at foreign policy is [00:20:40] in the Middle East we created human [00:20:41] suffering on a on a scale that's [00:20:43] catastrophic and Vietnam especially too [00:20:46] like that's one thing that always annoys [00:20:47] me that I think the Cambodian genocide [00:20:50] should be taught in our schools because [00:20:53] one it was because of communism and [00:20:54] pullpot and two it was our fault because [00:20:56] we were using Cambodian airspace and [00:20:59] that's what led to Pulpot's rise and [00:21:02] >> propping up Princeuk and the whole [00:21:04] thing. No it was you're absolutely [00:21:05] right. If we have a national guilt, we [00:21:07] should actually have a national guilt [00:21:08] over the Cambodian genocide. And we [00:21:10] never rebuilt it. We just sort of left [00:21:12] them to live in squalor. [00:21:15] >> Well, you know who did fix it actually [00:21:17] was Vietnam. 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Obviously, I'm totally [00:22:43] opposed and have been since I rock since [00:22:45] 2003 to anything like this. On the other [00:22:49] hand, I'm thinking to myself maybe, [00:22:52] well, maybe I'm not in charge of [00:22:53] history. Okay, that's like one thing [00:22:55] that [laughter] [00:22:56] Um, and maybe it's just time to accept [00:23:00] the reality of it. So, I would like to [00:23:02] live in a small agrarian Christian [00:23:05] republic where everyone knows everyone [00:23:06] else. Like, that's kind of my idea of [00:23:08] utopia. That's not anywhere near what we [00:23:10] have. We live on a continentized country [00:23:13] with 350 million other people and we'll [00:23:16] probably have 500 million by the time [00:23:17] we're old. Okay. So, and we run the at [00:23:21] least half of the world. So maybe what [00:23:24] we're seeing is people just embracing [00:23:26] what was already true and not like [00:23:30] fighting against like I hate the idea of [00:23:32] having an empire, but we do, [00:23:34] >> right? [00:23:34] >> So maybe that is what's happening. I I [00:23:36] don't know. I'm trying to figure it out. [00:23:37] >> No, I mean you're born into the world, [00:23:39] right? That that's that's the you know, [00:23:41] >> you got an empire. Just roll with it. Be [00:23:43] an empire. [00:23:43] >> Like you're born into a body. You're [00:23:45] born into like a human body and these [00:23:46] like weird things. Then you have to [00:23:48] figure out how to balance being an [00:23:50] animal in and a spirit and you didn't we [00:23:53] didn't choose it. We're born into [00:23:54] America at a particular place in time [00:23:57] and here's the problems that we have. [00:23:59] Here are the resources that we have. [00:24:00] What you know what can we do to you know [00:24:04] reduce as much as possible human [00:24:05] suffering and you know govern justly as [00:24:08] an empire. And we had one. We we we I [00:24:11] mean in a way we don't have one. That's [00:24:13] the problem. It's like the worst of all [00:24:14] worlds where they invade the world, [00:24:16] invite the world. I forget who coined [00:24:18] that, but that that's [00:24:19] >> was a favorite of Pep Buchanan for sure. [00:24:21] >> Yeah. Yeah. It might have been Steve [00:24:22] Sailor, one of those guys. But we had [00:24:25] the the worst of it, which is, oh, we're [00:24:27] going to go in and destroy your [00:24:28] countries and then we're going to bring [00:24:29] you back up here to do daycare welfare [00:24:31] fraud. [00:24:31] >> Exactly. Right. [00:24:33] >> Whereas the righteous thing to do would [00:24:35] have said, "We're going to invade your [00:24:37] countries, but we're actually going to [00:24:39] share in your resources." And that was [00:24:42] one of the real I think evils of [00:24:43] removing Gaddafi was they had education. [00:24:47] They which again sounds very leftist but [00:24:49] a lot of this is just subjectively true. [00:24:51] And they had free oil more or less free [00:24:55] petrol and now they have you know open [00:24:58] air slave markets. So we we did the the [00:25:01] worst. We didn't build empires. We [00:25:03] destroyed other people's places and then [00:25:06] rather than colonizing them. We brought [00:25:08] everybody up here and now we we have 40 [00:25:11] trillion in debt, [00:25:14] scam after scam. We have, like it or [00:25:17] not, we have blood feuds being imported [00:25:20] where like now you have to have an [00:25:22] opinion about Somali land. My god, you [00:25:24] know, in my life as I get older, I'm [00:25:26] trying to have fewer opinions. [00:25:28] >> And now I have to know the difference [00:25:30] between Somalia and Somali land. And [00:25:32] then you look at the Minnesota flag, [00:25:34] which is is obviously [00:25:36] tied to Somalia. That that again is the [00:25:39] worst of all worlds. So if we're going [00:25:41] to if we're going to do it, then then we [00:25:45] should we should do it as an empire. [00:25:48] >> So what does the future look like? What [00:25:50] are the next three years look like? So [00:25:51] you saw the president saying, you know, [00:25:53] this worked, we're going to do it in a [00:25:54] bunch of other countries. [00:25:57] Well, the the future generally versus [00:26:00] empire building are two different things [00:26:02] because I think the future we're we're [00:26:04] on a pathway with the transhumanism [00:26:07] the there's a fork in the road about [00:26:10] humanity and what what what it what it [00:26:12] even means to be a human. So that is a [00:26:14] whole other different discussion. But if [00:26:16] you mean geopolitics for example, [00:26:19] >> I think that we're going to continue to [00:26:20] see these kinds of targeted strikes. [00:26:23] Now, the danger is that [00:26:25] >> whose aim is what? To remove the [00:26:26] leadership of the country and replace it [00:26:28] with a pro-American. [00:26:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. To put to put to, you know, [00:26:32] plop one guy out um put somebody else [00:26:35] in. And if you do it in places like [00:26:36] Latin America, I actually think you can [00:26:38] do it. I mean, he Trump's already [00:26:39] talking about Colombia. The the Mexican [00:26:41] cartel that that's the the the strange [00:26:43] thing about all this is that [00:26:45] >> the everybody says, "Why don't we do [00:26:47] Mexico?" And Mexico is a full narco [00:26:50] state. They have controls the border [00:26:51] towns in the US. It's a completely [00:26:54] >> they have control of Arizona, don't [00:26:56] they? [00:26:57] >> If you talk to the the Turning Point [00:26:58] guys, then they have some pretty strong [00:27:00] opinions about Katie Hobbs and and how [00:27:02] she got in. [00:27:04] >> So, what would a war with a cartella? [00:27:07] It's a different it's a whole different [00:27:09] >> right [00:27:10] >> Pandora's box opening there. But if you [00:27:13] can remove Maduro, you can remove a few [00:27:16] people, you're you're sending a message [00:27:18] to people, which is so here so here's [00:27:20] where here here's why I disagree with [00:27:24] the the neocon model and I and I think [00:27:26] there's like a a right a right-wing [00:27:28] worldview that's coherent and it goes [00:27:30] like this. The neocon according to the [00:27:32] neocon model, everyone is just a madman. [00:27:35] They're just mad men everywhere. And [00:27:38] Pakistan, [00:27:39] >> they hate us for no reason. They just [00:27:40] they're just mad men and they're not [00:27:43] rational actors. Putin's a madman. [00:27:45] Putler that's the that's the whole [00:27:47] worldview of just the neocons of the [00:27:49] neoliberal establishment. Putin's a [00:27:50] madman. And I'm like, well, I don't [00:27:52] know. He's 70. I read a lot about [00:27:55] Russian history. The oligarchs had taken [00:27:57] over the country after Yeltson left. You [00:27:58] needed a strong man to come in. He [00:28:00] brought the oligarchs to heal. The [00:28:01] oligarchs were like looting the country. [00:28:03] And you you look at him and you're like, [00:28:05] this is you can call him evil. That's a [00:28:07] moral question. But somebody being evil [00:28:10] is different from whether somebody's a [00:28:11] rational or an irrational actor. Putin [00:28:14] is is acting in a way that I in my [00:28:17] opinion is quite predictable and [00:28:19] >> was the most rational actor in the world [00:28:21] and [00:28:21] >> yeah of course [00:28:22] >> then you look at the the moolas and you [00:28:26] just say they want to have their thiefs. [00:28:28] They don't want high IQ people in Iran [00:28:30] even. They're trying to get rid of as [00:28:31] many high IQ people as they possibly [00:28:32] can. This was funny actually. I was at a [00:28:35] a dinner. There's a Persian diaspora in [00:28:38] in Orange County and and you know, LA. [00:28:41] >> Huge. Yeah. And you know, not just [00:28:43] Jewish and you know, the secular and the [00:28:45] Muslim. And I was talking to this [00:28:46] they're just like a good-looking couple, [00:28:48] very well educated, smart. And I go, [00:28:50] "How did the how did you guys get out of [00:28:52] Iran?" You know, it was like one of [00:28:53] those things where I thought I knew [00:28:54] something, but I was revealed my own [00:28:56] ignorance. [00:28:57] >> I said, "How did you guys get out of [00:28:58] Iran?" He goes, "Oh," he goes, "You get [00:29:00] um" and people on Twitter call me a liar [00:29:02] for this, too. Which is like so [00:29:03] annoying, but he goes, "No, no, you [00:29:06] basically they give you IQ tests and if [00:29:08] you're high IQ and you're too high IQ, [00:29:10] they let you get educated. They want you [00:29:12] out of the country because high IQ [00:29:14] people have too much of a revolutionary [00:29:16] risk." So that that there shows you that [00:29:19] >> Well, that's why we legalize marijuana. [00:29:20] Same same idea, [00:29:22] >> right? So that that's the I see the [00:29:25] moolas under a different model than the [00:29:27] neocons do. And I view them as they want [00:29:30] to have their little thief dos and they [00:29:32] want to govern over the ashes. So yeah, [00:29:33] obviously we don't want them to have [00:29:34] become a nuclear power or or whatnot, [00:29:37] but that doesn't mean you have to go in [00:29:38] and go to war with them because oh no, [00:29:40] any day now they might just do something [00:29:42] like crazy, right? I and I think that I [00:29:46] think that's like the right-wing [00:29:47] position is you see people you you [00:29:51] remove the moral the moral mo which most [00:29:53] people can't do. Most people they want [00:29:56] to say the mulas are evil. Sure, nobody [00:29:58] hates the mulas more than the Persian [00:29:59] diaspora. And [00:30:00] >> of course, [00:30:01] >> nobody hates them more. So this whole [00:30:03] idea that they're not, it's like, sure, [00:30:04] they're evil, but then the minute you [00:30:06] talk about an evil person engaging in [00:30:09] rational activity, then they're like, oh [00:30:10] wow, so you support evil, you know, God, [00:30:13] >> I've lived this. [00:30:13] >> Oh my god. [00:30:14] >> Right? Then you're dealing with someone [00:30:15] who shouldn't be involved in the [00:30:16] conversation because they're not capable [00:30:17] of like thinking clearly. Here's my [00:30:20] concern. I agree with I think your [00:30:21] analysis is absolutely right. I mean, [00:30:23] talk to the Gulf States. You think they [00:30:24] like the Mullas? No, they despise them, [00:30:27] but they don't want to see them regime [00:30:29] change necessarily because what comes [00:30:31] next? [00:30:32] >> The only country that wants that is [00:30:34] Israel. And not even Israel, it's BB. [00:30:36] It's specifically Netanyahu and some of [00:30:39] his supporters want that. And they're [00:30:41] putting enormous pressure on the [00:30:42] administration to do it. And my one my [00:30:45] biggest concern about what just happened [00:30:46] in Venezuela is that will be seen as a [00:30:50] template for Iran. like let's just take [00:30:53] out, you know, the religious leadership [00:30:56] of Iran or the political leadership or [00:30:58] the military leadership and like [00:31:00] everything will go as well as it did in [00:31:02] Venezuela. And, you know, maybe that's [00:31:03] true, but if it's not true, the stakes [00:31:05] are high. No. Well, that's why people [00:31:08] have to have a [00:31:11] a a definition of what victory looks [00:31:14] like because victory for the United [00:31:16] States looks different than victory from [00:31:18] other people. So, and this is where I [00:31:21] think people people like lose the plot a [00:31:24] little bit. So, it's in it might be in [00:31:27] the interest of some countries for there [00:31:30] to be chaos because if there's chaos in [00:31:32] those people, you can kind of go in. You [00:31:35] don't have to worry about it. It's the [00:31:36] interest of the United States for there [00:31:37] not to be chaos. And I think of course [00:31:39] >> that's Well, we say we say of course, [00:31:41] but nobody says it, you know. [00:31:42] >> Well, I do constantly. Chaos is not in [00:31:44] our interest. [00:31:44] >> Yeah. So, so it's in our interest that [00:31:46] if we do do regime change that we don't [00:31:49] have we don't have chaos. We do want to [00:31:52] have a moral leadership and moral [00:31:54] clarity and we do want to keep things [00:31:57] you know on the right path. And then [00:31:58] other people [00:32:00] have different interests and it's just [00:32:02] up to us to keep pushing for orderly the [00:32:05] orderly governance of the world via [00:32:07] American imperialism. Well, it wasn't [00:32:09] that long ago that many Americans [00:32:10] thought they were inherently safe from [00:32:12] the kinds of disasters you hear about [00:32:13] all the time in third world countries. A [00:32:15] total power loss, for example, people [00:32:17] freezing to death in their own homes. [00:32:19] That could never happen here. Obviously, [00:32:21] it's America. [00:32:23] People are recalculating, unfortunately, [00:32:25] cuz they have no choice. The last few [00:32:27] years have taught us that. Remember when [00:32:29] the power grid in Texas failed in the [00:32:31] dead of winter? 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Well, of [00:34:00] course. [00:34:01] >> Well, not of course because I I mean the [00:34:03] foreign policy leadership that I've [00:34:05] grown up with and that I know [00:34:06] personally, that's not even in the top [00:34:08] five. [00:34:09] >> Well, these are people that they want to [00:34:10] play toy soldiers. That's a whole [00:34:14] that's the the neoliberal [00:34:16] order, the the neoconservative order. I [00:34:18] think neo I think we we focus too much [00:34:21] maybe on neocons and the neoliberals who [00:34:22] have probably done as much or or more [00:34:25] the if you look at the Biden foreign [00:34:27] policy poking you know poking Russia and [00:34:29] moving NATO east that was all [00:34:31] neoliberalism and they [00:34:35] they're just too rich I guess and bored [00:34:37] and and want to play checkers and chess [00:34:39] with other people's lives but the the [00:34:43] Trump view was that we're we're starting [00:34:45] from the American position gas prices [00:34:48] are down [00:34:50] oil from Venezuela like we need it. We [00:34:52] have a deficit that we're never going to [00:34:53] pay back. Like if you if you take a step [00:34:56] back [00:34:57] and you just embrace it all, [00:35:02] you you so people always ask me how I [00:35:04] feel and I go, "Well, I I go from [00:35:07] optimism to despair in in a split second [00:35:11] because if you if you look at the [00:35:12] national debt, we're not going to pay [00:35:14] that. There's no way to pay it back. [00:35:16] It's impossible. There's no there's no [00:35:17] way to pay it back. So then what [00:35:19] happens? Do we hyperinflate our [00:35:20] currency? Do we fault on our debt? Trump [00:35:22] is going to try resource extraction. So [00:35:24] we get Venezuelan oil. We drive down [00:35:27] costs here. We get cheap energy here. [00:35:30] Well, apparently AI will lead to maybe [00:35:32] some kind of deflation. Who knows? [00:35:34] People have their own opinions on that. [00:35:36] That's still being hotly contested. And [00:35:39] in that way, imperialism can be a [00:35:42] win-win because the Venezuelans can be [00:35:44] better off. we extract our share of it. [00:35:47] Maybe maybe that's utopia and maybe [00:35:49] that's pie in the sky. But [00:35:50] >> that answer table set [00:35:53] >> the the I mean the other answer is more [00:35:56] the other answer is like dude Charlie [00:36:00] Kirk was assassinated. Charlie some guy [00:36:02] was just at JD Vance's house in Col or [00:36:05] Cincinnati banging on the window maybe [00:36:08] shooting at it. All the details aren't [00:36:10] there. the the alternative is it's a [00:36:14] it's like a bolevik revolution. The [00:36:16] alternative is anarch tyranny, which is [00:36:18] what we already have under the democrat [00:36:20] rule. And [00:36:23] it's that's really bad. The the the the [00:36:25] alternative if if we don't if we don't [00:36:27] fix it, you're going to have more class [00:36:29] resentment. [00:36:30] We do have a a neo bullshick movement in [00:36:32] the United States unabashed Marxist. [00:36:35] When the Maduro thing happened, it was [00:36:36] interesting. You saw the [00:36:39] Brandon Johnson, Chicago's mayor, mayor [00:36:42] Karen Bass who was in Africa while the [00:36:44] Palestinians was burning. She was taking [00:36:45] some kind of vacation mandami and [00:36:47] they're all sort of with Maduro. So you [00:36:49] have this global Marxist movement which [00:36:52] is you know the red green alliance which [00:36:54] gets tossed around. But some of the [00:36:56] stuff these guys saying the think tanks [00:36:57] have actually if you read into it enough [00:37:00] I think a lot of that really is [00:37:01] accurate. So you have this red green [00:37:04] alliance of third world thinking with [00:37:06] neoabolsheism or Marxism however people [00:37:09] want to characterize it and they do not [00:37:12] have a a good plan for the US. They want [00:37:15] to they want to loot it. They want to [00:37:16] destroy it. They have a deep hatred for [00:37:20] whatever reason of white people. White [00:37:22] people of European descent are just [00:37:23] absolutely hated hated by all all of [00:37:26] these forces. though and not just by [00:37:28] them by the neocons we don't [00:37:30] >> hate Europeans too for some reason I'm [00:37:33] not exactly sure why but um Christians [00:37:36] >> I feel like kind of everyone I mean that [00:37:39] is my frustration with all this talk of [00:37:41] anti-semitism which I oppose speech [00:37:44] saying why I oppose it on Christian [00:37:46] grounds I am sincerely opposed to [00:37:48] anti-semitism and racism and hating [00:37:50] anybody on the basis of his blood I'm [00:37:51] just opposed to it against my religion [00:37:53] but like the main form of [00:37:55] institutionalized hate is not anti [00:37:57] anti-semitism. It's anti-white hate in [00:37:59] the United States. And like why does [00:38:01] nobody say that? [00:38:03] >> Well, the affirm I mean I remember with [00:38:06] police and fire hiring that was in the [00:38:07] 80s where if you're a white male, Adam [00:38:10] Croll had talked about that before, but [00:38:11] he tried to be a firefighter of course [00:38:13] >> and they just said, "Well, you're you're [00:38:14] you're a white man." [00:38:15] >> How about JP Morgan? Same thing. It's in [00:38:17] every part of American society. So yeah, [00:38:19] the the white man has been the white [00:38:22] man. That's a funny way of putting it, [00:38:23] but white men have been hated for [00:38:26] decades and they've been the world's [00:38:27] punching bag until of course you need a [00:38:29] Delta Force mission. They post a picture [00:38:31] and it's all jacked white guys with a [00:38:34] few Latinos and [00:38:35] >> always has [00:38:36] >> with tattoos and and you think, well, [00:38:38] these the the whole generation was was [00:38:42] hollowed out and you you just do not [00:38:45] see. And for me, that's a limous for [00:38:47] 2028 is anyone who runs for president [00:38:52] but won't specifically condemn [00:38:54] anti-white hate by name is not even in [00:38:56] the mix. [00:38:56] >> Well, JD Vance just did that. [00:38:58] >> Not even the you're not even in the mix [00:39:00] because if you [00:39:02] >> could you see Ron Dantis saying [00:39:05] calling out anti-white hate by name? [00:39:07] >> Dantis is an interesting I I think he [00:39:10] would have [00:39:12] three or four years ago. [00:39:13] >> Yes, I totally agree. He his evolution [00:39:16] his evolution has been [00:39:20] he lost he lost um he needs to listen to [00:39:24] people like Christina Pushaw more and I [00:39:26] agree the the problem I noticed a lot of [00:39:28] people [00:39:29] >> get sucked into donor world [00:39:30] >> they go they get in the West Palm Beach [00:39:31] they get around the richies and I' I've [00:39:34] seen that happen to a lot of people is [00:39:36] you just you cannot spend whether it's [00:39:39] the tech guys or the finance guys the [00:39:41] West Palm Beach people Silicon Valley [00:39:43] People can't spend too much time around [00:39:45] the Richies, man. They're uh [00:39:48] >> I totally [00:39:48] >> They're They're not They're not living [00:39:50] in reality. They have all these weird [00:39:52] pet projects that don't have any kind of [00:39:56] connection to downstream reality. Yes. [00:39:58] >> They're gibbon out of touch and they [00:40:02] they're going to they're going to steer [00:40:03] you aside. You have to just stay with [00:40:05] you have to just stay with the people, [00:40:07] man. You got to stay with the people. [00:40:08] >> So Ken Griffin is not a reliable [00:40:10] bellweather of American public opinion. [00:40:12] He bought this like he bought this uh I [00:40:15] think Tyrannosaurus Rex fossil or [00:40:17] something for $75 million. Yeah. People [00:40:19] who people who are like I have so much [00:40:21] money that I just want a dinosaur fossil [00:40:26] or dinosaur skeleton in my atrium might [00:40:30] might not be the people you want to take [00:40:32] political advice from. [00:40:33] >> No, probably the last people. So do you [00:40:36] think Dantis is obviously going to run [00:40:38] in the primary? I think [00:40:40] >> D Santis Cruz [00:40:43] it's going to be an open field because [00:40:45] there always is because that's how they [00:40:46] get media time and sell books and [00:40:47] everything. But the [00:40:50] >> what do you think it'll look like [00:40:51] >> the the table the table the table? Well, [00:40:53] one is it depends if we get it depends [00:40:57] what happens in the midterms [00:40:59] and how many impeachments Trump's gets [00:41:01] hit with if they can't keep the [00:41:03] midterms. Although Elon's back in the [00:41:05] game, so maybe maybe Republicans keep [00:41:06] the midterms, but [00:41:08] >> the House [00:41:09] >> I think they if if with Elon you can [00:41:11] with Elon's money you can. And it's just [00:41:14] that's a sad thing to say, but that's [00:41:15] just again that's may maybe like that's [00:41:18] where it goes back to like I'm an I'm a [00:41:20] a pragmatist, not an idealist. Get money [00:41:22] out of politics. Okay, well that's nice. [00:41:24] Um, no, we need to get we need to [00:41:26] basically B like it's funny because I [00:41:28] all my friends are pro Israel basically [00:41:30] and my advice to them is has been like a [00:41:32] singular one. You need guys you need to [00:41:36] just calm down because the anti-semmites [00:41:38] are so moronic right now to just let [00:41:41] them talk because everything they say is [00:41:45] offputting to anyone with a high IQ but [00:41:48] if you come with ranker then that's just [00:41:50] you're you're muddy in the field. And I [00:41:52] go to is just be like Steven Miller. [00:41:55] Steven Miller likes Israel a lot, wants [00:41:58] Israel to prosper and everything, but [00:42:00] when people think of Steven Miller, all [00:42:01] they think about is this guy's amazing. [00:42:03] You know, like Steven Miller wakes up [00:42:05] trying to do things for America. [00:42:07] >> And then if you do that, we don't really [00:42:09] care what Israel does, or at least I [00:42:11] don't. Um, most of us wouldn't or or [00:42:14] there would be certainly less rancor [00:42:16] around it. And if they would just fund [00:42:20] things like then everybody would be [00:42:22] better off. So Elon, he just writes huge [00:42:24] checks. And if that side wrote bigger [00:42:26] checks for Republicans to just be [00:42:28] Republicans, that's what that's what [00:42:29] I've been telling him. It's like look, [00:42:31] you're going to get 80 90% of what you [00:42:34] want. If you just keep Republicans in [00:42:35] the House, you're going to get that. The [00:42:37] alternative for you guys is AOC and [00:42:40] Mandami and all these other people [00:42:43] versus people like me who are just [00:42:46] realistic and and pragmatic about it and [00:42:48] and people like JD who's like who's the [00:42:50] same thing. You just he's a pragmatist. [00:42:51] You got to accept that you you just got [00:42:54] to accept that not everybody is going to [00:42:55] be an ideologue about it, but you can [00:42:58] still win without people being [00:42:59] ideologues. You can win which is good [00:43:01] old good oldfashioned alliances [00:43:03] >> where you help out, you pitch in. You [00:43:05] don't see the Trump coalition is so [00:43:08] broken, so fractured cuz I do think the [00:43:10] neocons are intentionally breaking it [00:43:12] cuz they want to keep JD from becoming [00:43:13] >> I I don't think it's working though. I [00:43:14] mean, I'm an old head. I'm an old head [00:43:17] from 2015. This is all a repeat of 2015. [00:43:20] It's a repeat of the Dantis when he ran [00:43:22] in the primary. Same talking points at [00:43:25] the same people playing the same kind of [00:43:27] games. So, I don't um I just see it as [00:43:32] this is the third season of [00:43:36] 20, you know, 2015, 2022, 2023, and now [00:43:39] now it's back again. So, I don't see it. [00:43:42] And the the way the politics lines up on [00:43:45] this stuff, especially in like 2028, is [00:43:48] you got to look at it as [00:43:51] the there's just not a there's the [00:43:53] problem, [00:43:54] you know, I got to I always want to be [00:43:57] careful what I say is that not cuz I'm [00:43:59] like afraid of being cancelled because [00:44:00] I've been I mean I've been through the [00:44:02] ringer a thousand times, but the [00:44:06] they have the people who really see [00:44:09] Israel as a key issue [00:44:11] just need to understand that, hey man, [00:44:14] you're going to get like most of what [00:44:15] you want, but if you [00:44:19] take take it so that we can't win in [00:44:21] 2028 with a Republican because you [00:44:23] create so much acrimony and division and [00:44:25] suppress the vote, then you're going to [00:44:27] get a bad Democrat. You're going to get [00:44:29] a bad Democrat and you're going to get [00:44:31] maybe a bad Democrat Congress. So, [00:44:33] people need to not not behave in this [00:44:36] kind of way. That's because it's not [00:44:38] helpful. I just think of things like [00:44:39] politics. Am I being am I being helpful [00:44:41] to the country and I being am I being [00:44:44] helpful for 2026 and 2028? And I think [00:44:47] that's how everybody needs needs to view [00:44:49] the map. Like are you are you being [00:44:51] helpful? Like are you going to get what [00:44:53] you want if you continue to behave this [00:44:55] way? You don't need to be an economist [00:44:56] to see what's happening. The dollar is [00:44:58] in trouble. It's getting weaker. It's [00:45:00] sad. But we're not in charge of it. So [00:45:02] we have to respond appropriately in ways [00:45:04] to protect our families. When paper [00:45:06] money dies, it's going to be replaced by [00:45:08] programmable digital currency or gold. [00:45:11] Gold survives. 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It's [00:45:44] about sovereignty and holding something [00:45:46] that endures and cannot be manipulated [00:45:48] or taken from you. So, if you've been [00:45:49] waiting for the right time to act, this [00:45:51] is it. Visit battalionmetals.com. [00:45:56] Well, it depends what you want. So if [00:45:58] you run around calling people Nazis, the [00:46:00] chance that you're going to convince [00:46:02] them to become Nazis is pretty high. I [00:46:04] mean, that's just very obvious if you're [00:46:07] doing that. And so maybe they want more [00:46:09] Nazis. [00:46:11] >> There there's a there's a segment [00:46:14] of people, but I it's it's much smaller. [00:46:18] The That's the I mean, [00:46:19] >> it's a loud segment. it it's well if you [00:46:22] want if you want um if the incentive [00:46:26] structure is different. So if you're in [00:46:28] media and you want to maximize a certain [00:46:31] kind of [00:46:34] salesunnel where they get as many people [00:46:36] as they can, as many eyes on them that [00:46:38] they want to be acrimonious and they [00:46:40] want to throw bombs because that that's [00:46:44] the business, right? But if you're more [00:46:47] political, you want to think about like [00:46:49] how's how is this going to help us [00:46:51] achieve an agenda, right? How how is [00:46:54] this going to help the country? How is [00:46:57] this going to help them get what they [00:46:58] want? That that's what I'm trying to [00:46:59] see. I'm just trying We had this [00:47:01] alliance that won in 2024, [00:47:04] the popular vote, which I knew Trump was [00:47:06] going to win. We have mutual friend [00:47:08] actually. I'll tell you I'll tell you [00:47:09] when when we stop um when we stop [00:47:11] filming. But he was so blackpilled about [00:47:15] the election, [00:47:16] >> right? [00:47:17] >> And I said, "No, he's going to win. [00:47:18] We'll know that night. He's going to [00:47:21] Trump's going to win. We're going to [00:47:22] know that night." He goes, "Crazy." I [00:47:24] go, "I promise you. promise you and [00:47:27] election night has like well who hold [00:47:29] everybody. The only thing I didn't see [00:47:30] is I didn't think we were going to win [00:47:32] the we you know I didn't think Trump was [00:47:34] going to win the popular vote. So we [00:47:36] have this alliance we have [00:47:38] Maha you have the OG like MAGA people [00:47:43] the you know the wild energy they [00:47:45] brought in there was always this [00:47:46] boisterous male energy but then they [00:47:48] brought a bunch more of that in. Then [00:47:51] you had the the post October I don't [00:47:54] think Trump wins if October 7th doesn't [00:47:56] happen to be honest and I said this at [00:47:57] the time because when o when October 7th [00:48:01] happened they realized oh this is this [00:48:05] is what the left really is right and I [00:48:07] do think a lot of them weren't a lot of [00:48:08] the pros really people were not paying [00:48:11] attention to what the left kind of had [00:48:12] become and because I remember I would [00:48:14] talk about the red green alliance and [00:48:16] people's eyes would sort of like glaze [00:48:17] over like let's you know that sounds [00:48:19] stupid And so you have you have the [00:48:22] post07 people, you have the they don't [00:48:24] want their kids trans, you have maja, [00:48:27] you have the nationalists, you have the [00:48:29] populace, [00:48:30] you get the tech guys, you get the [00:48:32] wealth tax guys. So it's a it's a [00:48:34] coalition and everybody [00:48:35] >> the rappers, the Salvadorans, [00:48:37] >> the you have the rappers, you have the [00:48:39] the Venezuelan, the Cubans, and it's a [00:48:41] it's a political coalition [00:48:43] that has to be kept together. And I [00:48:46] think every coalition partner needs to [00:48:50] to look out for others and some [00:48:51] coalition partners can push for [00:48:55] themselves more and and lose sight of [00:48:56] things. So in my opinion, you know, [00:48:58] foreign policy and everything else has [00:49:00] gotten too much attention. Maha hasn't [00:49:01] gotten enough attention. RFK Jr. has [00:49:03] sort of done done what he has. The [00:49:06] domestic issues, there's only so much [00:49:07] Trump can do because judges are blocking [00:49:09] him. But that that's another concern of [00:49:12] mine is that domestic issues are getting [00:49:14] blocked and then that's going to create [00:49:15] fractures in the coalition. But I do [00:49:17] think the [00:49:18] >> can can I ask though if you I'm I'm the [00:49:22] reason I'm have such like a tepid not [00:49:24] interesting response to what happened [00:49:26] two days ago is cuz I think it's like a [00:49:28] pivot point in history and I don't fully [00:49:30] understand what it means. So I don't [00:49:32] want to get over my skis until I have a [00:49:34] better sense of what I think it means. [00:49:36] But um it is a totally new way of [00:49:40] conducting diplomacy/form [00:49:42] policy/military action. Like this is a [00:49:44] new thing [00:49:45] >> because Trump didn't dress it up with a [00:49:48] lot of lying about democracy or human [00:49:49] rights. He's like no we want the oil and [00:49:51] like this guy's bad and we're taking him [00:49:53] out and we're going to run it. [00:49:55] >> Never no one alive has seen anything [00:49:56] like that before in the United States. [00:49:58] So you wonder, and that's why I'm saying [00:50:00] I think we're for good or bad fully in [00:50:03] the empire stage of civilizational [00:50:06] development. The Republic stage is over. [00:50:09] No one cares about Congress. So no, just [00:50:12] like don't we care about the Roman [00:50:13] Senate. I wonder like how long until [00:50:17] that same governing style applies to [00:50:19] domestic policy where [00:50:21] >> we lived it. We lived it, [00:50:22] [clears throat] man. Like we lived under [00:50:24] Biden. [00:50:24] >> Well, you're right. Will you flesh that [00:50:26] out? Like people forget we lived in like [00:50:28] people like me lived in hell. Ricky von [00:50:30] was a I I remember when Douglas Mackey [00:50:32] was arrested raid in Florida chased down [00:50:35] with guns. I felt all these court cases [00:50:37] of the the Blacks for Trump guy was [00:50:39] chased down by unidentified FBI agents. [00:50:42] They just started chasing him down with [00:50:44] a gun because they obviously wanted to [00:50:45] initiate a shootout and gaslight him [00:50:47] into a shootout. We thousand plus J6ers, [00:50:51] people who committed at most misdemeanor [00:50:53] trespass around. We we lived under [00:50:55] anarchco tyranny. Lake and Riley's [00:50:57] murdered. We have murders happening. LA [00:51:01] is again anarot for those who don't know [00:51:03] cuz you don't live on Twitter. Thank [00:51:04] God. God bless you. Is you know I think [00:51:07] I forget who coined the phrase the the [00:51:09] name escapes me but you would know. And [00:51:11] the idea is that if you're a law-abiding [00:51:13] citizen, you live under a state of [00:51:14] tyranny where you're going to need a [00:51:16] jaywalking ticket. [00:51:17] >> That's right. [00:51:17] >> But there can be a homeless encampment [00:51:19] right next to the don't walk sign, but [00:51:20] you're the one who's going to get the [00:51:21] ticket while the encampment's there. And [00:51:23] that's that's what we we lived under an [00:51:26] imperial dictatorship where everybody [00:51:28] was just like oh yeah like when like [00:51:31] have you talked to you had have you had [00:51:32] like you talk to the kids yet and [00:51:34] everybody Charlie Bobic [00:51:37] everybody had that conversation with the [00:51:39] kids which is like hey just so you know [00:51:40] like daddy might be taken away for a [00:51:42] couple years and [00:51:43] >> you know he's going to go away and if [00:51:45] anybody like shows up don't do anything [00:51:48] >> uh you know cuz they might try to shoot [00:51:49] you they might want to put a flashbang [00:51:51] grenade in in the house they might want [00:51:53] to kill your kids in front of you. When [00:51:55] when they raided Michael Cohen's house, [00:51:57] even though, you know, Cohen ended up [00:51:58] turning what they did to him was was [00:52:00] just disgraceful. They were going [00:52:01] through his daughter's iPads in front of [00:52:03] him. This is wicked spousy stuff and [00:52:05] they just didn't get really any media [00:52:08] coverage because of course [00:52:09] >> I didn't even know they did that to [00:52:11] >> No, no. That's one reason I think Cohen [00:52:13] sort of sort of broke him. They just [00:52:15] took all the iPads out of the little [00:52:17] kids' room and they were just like [00:52:18] taunting him. [00:52:18] >> They threatened to send Don Jr. to [00:52:20] prison for the rest of his life for he [00:52:21] didn't do anything. John Eastman, a [00:52:24] respected member of the bar, [00:52:25] constitutional law professor, disbar in [00:52:27] California. Jeffrey Clark, great career [00:52:29] in law, big law. Kirkland and Ellis, [00:52:31] they're trying to take his law license [00:52:32] in DC. One one thing after another and [00:52:35] it got almost no coverage and no [00:52:36] attention because the media would cover [00:52:38] downplay it or they would they would lie [00:52:41] about it. And that was that was like the [00:52:44] world, dude. Like I've had that [00:52:45] conversation with my kids. They're too [00:52:46] young to understand. Like I remember [00:52:48] like cuz I don't have any money. like I [00:52:51] have no money and people are like well [00:52:52] you know why don't you have any money [00:52:53] it's like my family has all my money [00:52:55] because I know that I could just be [00:52:57] stripped of everything any day even you [00:53:00] know even now that if you're a target of [00:53:02] the regime you could just like wake up [00:53:04] you're like okay well I guess I'm [00:53:07] and [00:53:08] but on the other hand you're just like [00:53:10] my god how have I been boiled in the pot [00:53:13] for this long that I've just accepted [00:53:16] that is is the norm and I think that's [00:53:19] something that [00:53:21] is is a problem with all of us is we're [00:53:24] just we just took it for grant like oh [00:53:25] Charlie Kirk I remember Charlie Kirk get [00:53:26] shot I remember Pobic calls he's like [00:53:30] dude they killed Charlie everybody [00:53:31] thought they would just kill somebody [00:53:32] else first but everybody knew they were [00:53:33] going to kill somebody everybody knew it [00:53:36] this is how we live our life like I live [00:53:38] my life knowing I could be killed any [00:53:39] day [00:53:40] >> I live my life under Biden knowing well [00:53:42] you know [00:53:43] I could any day anything any day [00:53:46] something could happen [00:53:47] >> I know every day that I wake up just to [00:53:50] a show of false. It doesn't it just [00:53:53] doesn't matter that that's the way that [00:53:55] you live. And as as like up as it [00:53:59] is and and the reason our people, I [00:54:00] think, don't talk about it is you just [00:54:02] you have a certain nobility, a stiff [00:54:04] upper lip, you don't want to you don't [00:54:06] want to sound like a victim. But [00:54:08] >> that's exactly right. That's not it's [00:54:10] not like nor it's like it's a weird it's [00:54:12] like enraging in a way like no this is [00:54:14] not how it's supposed to be in America [00:54:16] where you know that any given day like [00:54:19] you you might be taken away from your [00:54:20] children [00:54:22] because of of politics and because of [00:54:25] how rotten and and corrupt everything [00:54:27] is. [00:54:28] >> I I couldn't agree more. Obviously I [00:54:30] live a life exactly like the one you [00:54:32] described. On the other hand, I think [00:54:33] it's essential to cling to your nobility [00:54:35] and refuse to become a victim and refuse [00:54:38] to act like Seth Dylan or whoever like [00:54:39] constantly talking about, "Oh, the [00:54:41] threat's against me. People are mean to [00:54:42] me." Come on. You know, you chose to be [00:54:45] in this. Just man up. [00:54:46] >> He did, but he shouldn't have to. [00:54:48] >> No, I look I agree. No one should [00:54:50] threaten Seth Dylan. I I'm totally [00:54:51] opposed to threatening him or anyone [00:54:53] else. [00:54:53] >> Just saying like talking about yourself [00:54:56] is the [00:54:56] >> That's our pro But that's our problem, [00:54:58] though. See, that's the that's how they [00:55:01] got us in this catch 22, [00:55:03] >> which is well, nobody can complain [00:55:06] because we're, you know, manly men and [00:55:08] we take it off the chin. We don't we [00:55:09] don't complain. But then they get away [00:55:11] with everything and people go, "Wait a [00:55:12] minute. you had to say like I think that [00:55:14] most people if you told them oh yeah [00:55:17] like I remember when I was when Douglas [00:55:19] Mackey got wrongfully arrested and [00:55:22] charged [00:55:23] for a crime he didn't commit and it's [00:55:25] been proven now he didn't commit the [00:55:26] crime that I remember sitting down with [00:55:28] my kids and I go hey kids I just you [00:55:30] know want to let you know um you know [00:55:32] talk to my wife hey like you know here's [00:55:34] your money here's where the money is you [00:55:36] know it's all in like your name I don't [00:55:38] have anything and tell my kids hey kids [00:55:41] like they might take daddy away like the [00:55:43] bad guys might come and get daddy and [00:55:45] you know it'll be okay and everything [00:55:47] dude that if we don't talk about it then [00:55:50] nobody knows [00:55:51] >> right [00:55:51] >> right so but we're like well I don't [00:55:53] want to cry I'm a real man I'm a [00:55:55] d it's like great and then nobody knows [00:55:57] and then people get like wait a minute [00:55:59] John Eastman a distinguished law [00:56:01] professor wrote a memo that wasn't even [00:56:03] acted on he just lost his life lost his [00:56:06] position at Chapman his standing in the [00:56:08] world even his law license his ability [00:56:10] to like earn a living this is like this [00:56:12] is what is happening. So we do need to [00:56:14] more to be honest. That's our [00:56:16] problem. That's the exploit [00:56:18] in whatever our DNA is or whatever our [00:56:21] operating software is or whatever our [00:56:22] genetics is. That's our exploit is we [00:56:25] just sort of you just take the hits. You [00:56:27] take the hits, you endure the weight of [00:56:28] life. [00:56:29] >> Yeah. Dad doesn't complain. [00:56:30] >> That's what you do. And then they're [00:56:33] take and then they take our country and [00:56:34] then they us up like one by one. [00:56:36] though. I remember like some guy showed [00:56:39] up to Fentes's place to kill him and [00:56:40] then ended up killing somebody else down [00:56:43] the street, shows up, people are like, [00:56:44] "Well, they didn't even know." Was like [00:56:47] cuz you're not supposed to talk about [00:56:48] it. Like, [00:56:49] >> and Fuentes, to his credit, I mean, I [00:56:51] gave him a chance to talk about it and [00:56:52] whatever you think of Fuentes, but he [00:56:54] did not marinate in his victimhood at [00:56:56] all. [00:56:56] >> Yeah. Some Looney goes up to Cat Turn's [00:56:58] house, tries to get him. They go after [00:57:00] Benny Johnson. They go after Seth Dylan. [00:57:02] Candace Owens has had threats. Charlie [00:57:05] Kirk gets killed. So I I think it's [00:57:08] there there's a way to to talk about [00:57:11] these and that's why so the Charlie Kirk [00:57:13] thing really was a frustrating thing for [00:57:14] me because well I mean it was a tragic [00:57:17] thing, you know, like fresh that sounds [00:57:18] so like shallow. Um I I just thought [00:57:22] that people would realize [00:57:24] they're they're like they're hunting us [00:57:26] for sport. All of us. Tucker, they're [00:57:29] hunting you. If they could get Shapiro, [00:57:30] they would get Shapiro. If they could [00:57:32] get Walsh, they could get Walsh. If they [00:57:34] could get Candace, they could get [00:57:35] Candace. And it ain't the Israelis and [00:57:37] it ain't the Jews that are doing it. [00:57:38] It's a violent feral terrorist, you [00:57:40] know, bullshik left. And they would get [00:57:43] all of us if they could. So whatever [00:57:45] acrimony we have, which is like I'm not [00:57:47] a unity guy. I'm a guy who likes, you [00:57:49] know, likes the mix, maybe too much, but [00:57:53] it's like, dude, they're going to kill [00:57:54] us. They're going to kill all of us. And [00:57:57] we need to figure out we need to figure [00:57:59] out some kind of way to coexist with one [00:58:02] another. understanding that the threat [00:58:04] against us is existential and they would [00:58:07] the the left if they could kill Seth [00:58:08] Dylan they'd be glad to kill him. If [00:58:10] they could kill you they'd be glad to [00:58:11] kill you. To them that's just another [00:58:12] another notch on their ball or a point [00:58:14] on the scoreboard. So what's I mean [00:58:16] what's the administration doing about [00:58:18] this? [00:58:18] >> That I mean that was that was my problem [00:58:20] with the Trump's first term is the [00:58:23] political violence against Trump [00:58:24] supporter because again we're just [00:58:26] supposed to deal with it just deal with [00:58:27] it was the completely almost completely [00:58:31] ignored during his first term. [00:58:33] >> Is it still being ignored [00:58:36] >> under my definition it is. Yeah. They're [00:58:38] they're arresting some people there. [00:58:40] There's more happening than the first [00:58:42] term, but the the response is not what I [00:58:45] would like to see. [00:58:46] >> So, the claim when Charlie was murdered [00:58:49] was that this was Antifa or some Antifa [00:58:51] adjacent [00:58:53] uh person or organization. [00:58:56] I don't I don't know if that's true. I [00:58:58] don't know anything about it. [00:58:58] >> I I think it's absolutely true. [00:59:00] >> Uh I don't know that. But and I I don't [00:59:03] have any other theories. I just I don't [00:59:04] even understand the story. But but if [00:59:07] people said it was true. So like Okay. [00:59:10] Where's the roundup of Antifa? [00:59:13] >> So they're uh [00:59:15] >> Sorry, you got a dog sneezing right [00:59:16] there. [00:59:16] >> That's good. Go get the good puppy. So [00:59:17] the No, I'm I'm a I mean I think it was [00:59:22] Tyler Robinson. I think a 22-y old man [00:59:24] on a mission is a very dangerous thing. [00:59:28] and that it I I think that there were [00:59:30] other people in those Discord servers [00:59:32] and there were people tweeting something [00:59:34] big is going to happen tomorrow and [00:59:36] after tomorrow Charlie won't be around [00:59:38] anymore. So, I'm very frustrated that [00:59:41] there doesn't seem to be much interest [00:59:43] in [00:59:45] May maybe those people were just [00:59:47] guessing or maybe they were trolling, [00:59:48] but there doesn't seem to be much [00:59:50] interest in finding out who those other [00:59:52] people are. [00:59:53] >> Why do you think [00:59:54] >> that's Well, [00:59:55] >> it doesn't make any sense to me. I I I [00:59:57] always I always go back to the Garland, [00:59:59] Texas mass shooting, which is to me, [01:00:02] this is like the skeleton key of it all. [01:00:05] So, Pamela Geller, who's very much uh [01:00:08] pro-Israel, about as hardcore as you can [01:00:11] be on the issue, did a draw Muhammad [01:00:13] contest and there was going to be a [01:00:15] bunch of other people also like very [01:00:17] pro- Israel [01:00:18] and a jihadi was going to shoot the [01:00:21] place up. the he it was Texas and he got [01:00:25] taken out but by accident of faith an [01:00:28] accident of fate a local law enforcement [01:00:30] officer pulled over an FBI agent who was [01:00:33] fleeing the scene got the guy's phone [01:00:35] and the the text message to the jihadi [01:00:37] said tear up Texas sounds unbelievable [01:00:40] it's 100% true grassly has asked for [01:00:42] information twice from Ray and Garland [01:00:45] has been stonewalled I don't know why [01:00:47] Cash Patel won't release it I've asked [01:00:49] everybody up as high up the food chain [01:00:52] as you can get why we can't get it and [01:00:54] >> and what's the answer? [01:00:56] >> My my belief is that there's that MK [01:00:59] Ultra never ended. Co- Intel Pro MK [01:01:01] Ultra was of course the mind control [01:01:02] experiments they conduct on people where [01:01:04] the the book Chaos covered this in great [01:01:07] detail for people who are curious about [01:01:09] that [01:01:10] >> about the Charles Manson murders. [01:01:11] >> The Manson murders and then there was [01:01:13] that Air Force guy who was drugged up [01:01:14] and killed somebody and that didn't even [01:01:16] make sense and I didn't even know about [01:01:17] that. That book was completely [01:01:21] mind-blowing. [01:01:22] And I do think they still have whatever [01:01:25] armor that is, whether that's within the [01:01:27] FBI or some other dark sight within the [01:01:30] intelligence community. I I'm certain [01:01:32] that that that still exists. So because [01:01:35] of that, you don't get you don't get [01:01:38] you're not going to get any information [01:01:40] about that because I do think there [01:01:41] would be some kind of dark op because [01:01:43] what a lot of people again, it's just [01:01:45] the title of the book shows the agenda. [01:01:47] It's just chaos. Get out get everybody [01:01:49] afraid. Get everybody panicked. Ushher [01:01:52] in more surveillance technology. Usher [01:01:53] in a surveillance state. Bring in an [01:01:56] arot tyranny where if you're [01:01:57] law-abiding, everything you do is [01:01:59] monitored by flock and all these camera [01:02:02] traffic cameras. Everything you do is [01:02:03] monitored. But if you're a drug addict [01:02:06] on the street, you you have free reign. [01:02:08] You do anything you want. And this was [01:02:10] the Bolshevik method. There was a [01:02:13] Sultzeneian quote Alexander Sultzeneian [01:02:15] quote where it went I don't have the [01:02:18] exact quote but the substance of it was [01:02:21] your punishment for having a knife was [01:02:23] different for the thiefs when you had a [01:02:25] knife it was terrorism when the thief [01:02:27] had it it was just his way of life and [01:02:29] that's what we're living under now with [01:02:31] the modern anaroty [01:02:33] >> so what do they have in common like why [01:02:36] does this same phenomenon reoccur [01:02:39] >> yeah it's the the battle of the The [01:02:42] battle between people say good and evil, [01:02:44] but you would just say like logos and [01:02:46] chaos. Logos, the divine order, the [01:02:49] order of God, the unison of people, the [01:02:53] fellowship of people versus the chaos [01:02:55] and the acrimony, the evil of the the [01:03:00] dark one, Satan, demons, every religious [01:03:03] tradition has a even dualistic religions [01:03:06] or polytheistic religions have chaos [01:03:09] gods, right? So even if you're not [01:03:11] monotheistic, which I'm monotheistic [01:03:12] obviously, but everybody has had thosea [01:03:16] the chaos agents. So chaos is destroying [01:03:19] the divine order and the divine [01:03:21] communion of people. [01:03:23] >> So you don't see this as political [01:03:24] battles, but as manifestations of a [01:03:26] spiritual battle. [01:03:27] >> It's Yes. The spiritual. Yeah. The [01:03:28] political [01:03:30] is what you see. The spiritual is what [01:03:33] you talk about and then people will make [01:03:34] fun of you and say you're crazy. [01:03:35] >> I don't think they make fun of you [01:03:36] anymore, do they? [01:03:38] >> Much less. So they [01:03:39] >> So you had a tweet about this yesterday. [01:03:41] I think [01:03:43] here's your tweet. If you were a demon [01:03:46] with dominion over the planet and you [01:03:48] wanted to increase the amount of human [01:03:50] suffering across the world, you would [01:03:51] eliminate the white population. [01:03:55] >> Yeah. Yeah. That so you see you see [01:03:58] what's happening the the death of [01:04:00] whites, their mass massive contraction [01:04:04] as a racial group globally. You see that [01:04:06] as a manifestation of the spiritual war. [01:04:08] Ireland really is the Rosetta Stone I [01:04:11] think in all of this. I agree [01:04:13] >> because you can again even if right or [01:04:16] wrong you could at least rationalize [01:04:18] oh Rhdesia was an evil apartheid state [01:04:20] and they had to give it over to Mugabi [01:04:22] and it became Zimbabwe but you know what [01:04:24] they did the right thing and had a bad [01:04:26] outcome [01:04:26] >> or South Africa for that [01:04:27] >> I don't agree with that but you could [01:04:28] there's a chain of logic okay they did [01:04:30] the right thing that ended apartheid it [01:04:32] led to a bad result maybe they could [01:04:34] have transitioned it better but there's [01:04:36] the A to B to C thing they're right [01:04:38] Ireland they were colonized by the the [01:04:41] white Irish were colonized by the white [01:04:42] British. They were starved. Their [01:04:45] resources were plundered. They had the [01:04:47] potato they had the potato famine. They [01:04:50] lived like [01:04:50] >> their churches were desecrated. [01:04:52] >> Churches were desecrated. They were an [01:04:53] enslaved people. [01:04:55] But they have to be punished. [01:04:57] >> Oh, I agree. [01:04:58] >> Why do the Irish, right? To me, that's [01:05:00] when if people think that tweet sounds [01:05:01] crazy or any of this is crazy, then you [01:05:04] have to tell me why are the why do the [01:05:06] Irish have to paytally restitution? And [01:05:09] that that gives up the whole game. gives [01:05:10] up the whole game. [01:05:12] >> So, [01:05:15] this is a manifestation of the spiritual [01:05:17] war, the destruction of whites. [01:05:19] >> Yeah. And and then why that is, I I [01:05:22] don't know yet. I'll I'll still unravel [01:05:23] it. But you can't you can't deny it when [01:05:26] you look at Ireland and you look what is [01:05:28] happening be look what is happening [01:05:30] globally. You look what is happening in [01:05:32] the US and and has been happening for [01:05:34] decades. But again, that goes back to, [01:05:37] well, you don't want to talk about how [01:05:39] you could be killed any day and that's [01:05:41] just something you live with. And I just [01:05:43] live with it knowing that at any moment [01:05:46] I could be gone, removed one way or [01:05:48] another. And [01:05:49] >> how does that change the way you live [01:05:51] that knowledge? [01:05:52] >> The [01:05:55] you when you know when you know it's [01:05:57] like it's like momento mori. though the [01:06:00] the arrogance or whatever the cuz I [01:06:03] pretend to be arrogant on the internet [01:06:04] sometimes but people who know me sort of [01:06:07] find that kind of funny but the there's [01:06:11] a there's one there's like a deep weight [01:06:13] that you carry just a deep weight where [01:06:17] you know that what you do has [01:06:21] consequences and you need to really [01:06:23] focus on doing the right thing. It has [01:06:25] consequences for yourself and the [01:06:26] country because if we do lose the amount [01:06:28] of human suffering is going to be [01:06:30] immeasurable in the US and globally. [01:06:33] It's like it's an when you read about [01:06:35] the Halddemore, you read about the [01:06:37] Cambodian genocide, you read about the [01:06:40] the gulags, it's just a a scale of human [01:06:43] suffering beyond beyond human [01:06:45] understanding and we're the remaining [01:06:47] bull work against it. So you're you're [01:06:49] just left with a sense of like and then [01:06:53] you're you're um like I have I have a [01:06:55] thing kind of a bit I do online although [01:06:57] it's really true is I have like I have a [01:06:59] war on fun. So you don't get to have [01:07:01] fun. Like I don't get to have fun. That [01:07:03] doesn't mean I don't enjoy my life. It [01:07:05] doesn't mean that I don't have a cigar [01:07:07] and mountain bike and do other things. [01:07:08] But I just I don't get to have fun. [01:07:10] That's not in the cards to me. I don't [01:07:11] get to have fun. I have to live like a [01:07:13] serious person who knows that I could be [01:07:15] killed that my friends could be killed. [01:07:17] In the case of Charlie, a friend will be [01:07:19] killed that even people like Seth and [01:07:22] them that I may not see eye to eye with [01:07:23] like they could get killed that any of [01:07:25] us that that could be killed on any [01:07:28] given day. And so in a way it's like [01:07:31] being in it's not being in a combat zone [01:07:34] in a way, but it it is a way of it is a [01:07:36] form of warfare. So I just I don't get [01:07:38] to like have fun. I don't I don't get to [01:07:39] like goof off or live. [01:07:40] >> So it gives your life meaning in some [01:07:42] ways. It give it gives your life it yeah [01:07:46] meaning is a a complicated subject but [01:07:49] it gives your life a [01:07:51] you certainly have a purpose right where [01:07:55] you know that and and this is true of of [01:07:57] everybody or how people should live is [01:07:59] what you do does have significance and [01:08:00] consequence and you do have to you do [01:08:02] have to make it count [01:08:05] >> that sounds I mean in some ways worse [01:08:08] but in most ways better than living [01:08:10] without that knowledge that it could end [01:08:13] >> well That's the meaning that's the [01:08:14] meaning kind of paradox and I think [01:08:16] that's why some people called it the [01:08:17] meaning crisis and then before that [01:08:20] Jonathan hate wrote a book the happiness [01:08:22] hypothesis and meaning is this concept [01:08:25] where if you chase meaning you can't [01:08:27] find meaning but you find meaning by [01:08:30] living in a certain way and then you go [01:08:33] oh this is so like this is meaning so I [01:08:35] give you I have these weird it's like a [01:08:37] hyper reality [01:08:38] >> you just did a film on this I should I [01:08:39] should [01:08:40] >> we're working on it yeah we're in post [01:08:41] we're yeah so a couple months So [01:08:43] >> yeah, explain this through that lens to [01:08:46] me. [01:08:46] >> Okay. Well, [01:08:49] the you know, you get when you get [01:08:51] older, you want to do things that are [01:08:52] interesting and hard. And I think doing [01:08:55] a movie on the meaning of life is is [01:08:56] about as about as hard as it can get, [01:08:59] right? [laughter] [01:09:00] And there so you would say like what is [01:09:02] the meaning of life? which I've asked [01:09:05] everybody and you know people have their [01:09:07] own answers but sometimes it's good to [01:09:10] sort of attack it from the inverse which [01:09:12] is what would be a meaningless life a [01:09:15] meaningless life would be all this [01:09:17] suffering [01:09:18] of yourself and others all the human [01:09:21] suffering it was just the way it is we [01:09:24] were just animals and we were bred by [01:09:25] some kind of alien species to harvest [01:09:27] gold and if people got harmed or [01:09:32] genocided or whatever that was just [01:09:34] there's no reckoning at the end. That [01:09:37] that to me gives me nightmares to think [01:09:39] there's no reckoning or no. So then you [01:09:42] would say, well that would be [01:09:43] meaningless. Okay, that's I'm chasing [01:09:46] whatever that is. So then you start to [01:09:48] think of meaning. [01:09:50] What is that? Well, meaning is is a [01:09:51] communion with God is a catharsis. It's [01:09:53] a that whatever it was, whatever, you [01:09:56] know, there's a saying like the only way [01:09:58] out is through. It was like whatever [01:09:59] this is that you're going to get through [01:10:01] it and there is a divine evening out of [01:10:04] everything and that everything did have [01:10:06] a point and everything did matter and [01:10:09] everything happened for a reason not [01:10:11] because you're a actor who doesn't have [01:10:13] agency but because it was part of it was [01:10:16] part of the rise like I got chunks taken [01:10:18] out of me there's no like there's you've [01:10:19] had chunks everybody has you know again [01:10:22] we're not supposed to talk about it [01:10:23] because we're so you know macho macho [01:10:24] men but like I think I'm like sometimes [01:10:27] I'm just like dude I'm tired tired, man. [01:10:28] Like it is just like having to live like [01:10:32] that, especially under the Biden regime. [01:10:34] I am the censorship regime where as an [01:10:37] adult man, you can't even say what you [01:10:39] believe because your whole livelihood [01:10:41] could be destroyed. You might not be [01:10:42] able to have a bank account, right? That [01:10:44] that was like the way you kind of lived [01:10:46] and you have chunks taken out of you and [01:10:50] to think that that was for nothing, [01:10:52] right? like losing, which is how meaning [01:10:55] ties into I think the the political [01:10:58] melee is losing would be the most [01:11:01] meaningless thing in the world. There's [01:11:02] this painting somebody posted and I'm [01:11:04] I'm going to get it reproduced in [01:11:07] in um oil painting [01:11:10] and it's of when the Bolshevixs took [01:11:12] over the palace at the Bolshevik [01:11:13] revolution and it just shows this it [01:11:16] just fills me with this like rage. [01:11:18] You're just staring at evil. And I I [01:11:20] look at like this is what losing looks [01:11:22] like. Losing looks like you're lined up [01:11:24] next to your kids and they start [01:11:26] shooting you, but the kids don't die [01:11:28] right away. So they bayon at your kids [01:11:29] in front of you. That's what losing [01:11:31] looks like. And people people used to [01:11:33] say, "Oh, Sernovich, you're crazy. That [01:11:34] sounds crazy." I remember they say that [01:11:36] 2015, 2016. Oh, you're so hyperbole. Now [01:11:40] everybody, that's what losing looks [01:11:41] like. Losing doesn't mean, oh, you're [01:11:43] going to have a wealth tax and you're [01:11:44] have to pay a little bit more taxes. [01:11:46] Losing is you are lined up in the [01:11:48] basement and they are killing your kids [01:11:50] in front of you. That that is what like [01:11:52] losing is. Well, to me that's [01:11:53] meaningless to me that's the antithesis [01:11:56] of like whatever the meaning of life is. [01:12:00] So the connection between [01:12:02] >> really meaning and what do you mean? [01:12:06] [snorts] [01:12:06] >> Well, I don't know. I mean the basis of [01:12:08] Christianity is this guy who Christians [01:12:10] believe was God who came down and then [01:12:12] like got brought up on false charges and [01:12:14] tortured to death. But that he did that [01:12:16] so we didn't have to. He took on the [01:12:18] burden of a lot of people take the [01:12:20] Christ martyrdom as some kind of message [01:12:22] that we should become martyrs. And I I [01:12:26] always say there's been one martyr. [01:12:28] Christ died on the cross. I ain't dying [01:12:30] on the cross. I ain't a martyr. Christ [01:12:32] did that and he took on the sins of [01:12:34] mankind. [01:12:36] And [01:12:37] he did that for us. I'm I'm not I'm not [01:12:40] here to to be crucified and take on take [01:12:43] on the sins of mankind. that that's not [01:12:45] me. If anything, it was it's almost it's [01:12:48] almost like uh egotistical to think that [01:12:51] I should, you know, that I should be a [01:12:52] martyr and that that would be that would [01:12:54] be a way to go. So I I reject martyrdom [01:12:57] theology fully. [01:13:00] >> Interesting. [01:13:00] >> Yeah. [01:13:01] >> So what so what is the meaning if the [01:13:04] meaning is not getting lined up against [01:13:05] the wall with your kids? [01:13:06] >> The meaning is communion. Divine [01:13:09] communion. Meaning is divine communion. [01:13:11] Everything is divine communion. the [01:13:14] >> interacting with God, [01:13:15] >> interacting with God, and then [01:13:16] downstream the communion of people. So, [01:13:18] I'll have these moments of like hyper [01:13:20] reality where I'm like wrapped up in my [01:13:23] own and oh, you know, what if I [01:13:25] did this and [01:13:28] you know, in your own head and then I'm [01:13:30] on the couch with my kids and there's [01:13:31] just like a a moment of like stillness. [01:13:33] It never lasts. There's just like moment [01:13:36] of like stillness. [01:13:37] >> Now, when you have four, it doesn't [01:13:38] last. [01:13:39] >> No. Well, in my own up [01:13:41] brain, too. You know, like a lot of, you [01:13:44] know, there's a lot of us, we make [01:13:45] prisons of our own mind, right? [01:13:46] >> Of course. [01:13:47] >> And we the demons steal our joy. You're [01:13:51] just you're having a moment and then [01:13:52] they're like, "What about this?" They're [01:13:54] deep state coming for you or you know, [01:13:57] one one thing after another and there's [01:14:00] just these moments of like stillness and [01:14:03] you [clears throat] this is what it's [01:14:04] about. you know the but that's a as [01:14:07] because of our primitive brains or [01:14:09] whatever our problems are probably [01:14:11] because we're not in the Garden of Eden [01:14:13] is we we just can't maintain divine [01:14:16] connection the monks can but it's a [01:14:18] great aesthetic I always get that word [01:14:20] wrong aseticism I always get that bad [01:14:22] yeah I'm bad with my noeticism [01:14:25] and but they have it's a constant effort [01:14:27] you know that's why you know [01:14:29] >> so they're living on a pillar of salt or [01:14:31] in a cave [01:14:31] >> yeah yeah and it's like the arrow prayer [01:14:33] is like God you know Jesus Christ have [01:14:35] mercy on me. I'm a set. You know, you [01:14:37] have to constantly be connected with the [01:14:39] divine and then lean into your heart [01:14:42] more to distract us from the egoism [01:14:45] which but you have to have some kind of [01:14:46] egoism if you live in the world. You [01:14:48] can't just not participate in the world. [01:14:50] So there's this tension between divine [01:14:53] connection which means surrendering [01:14:55] yourself to the full presence of God, [01:14:58] right? Versus, [01:15:02] okay, but I have to like pay my bills, [01:15:03] dude. you know, like I have to I have to [01:15:05] make [clears throat] my way in this [01:15:06] world and you're those are constantly [01:15:08] attention. But then [01:15:10] >> something and this is probably why [01:15:12] there's a more of a rise for like [01:15:14] Eastern Orthodoxy and and older [01:15:16] religious religious traditions and [01:15:18] Christianity is the [01:15:21] and and I love Protestants. So no no [01:15:23] offense to the Protestants, but [01:15:25] Protestantism is very well it's very [01:15:28] wasp waspish. is like by the book the [01:15:30] Bible says this and like here's the [01:15:32] scriptures and it's very much of the [01:15:35] mind Christian apologetics oh well you [01:15:38] think this is there the trinity and it's [01:15:40] like arguing back and forth but you're [01:15:41] like existing in mind [01:15:44] whereas the eastern traditions [01:15:46] and by eastern I don't mean Hinduism but [01:15:48] even though Hinduism has a but eastern [01:15:51] orthodoxy and eastern Christianity [01:15:53] >> is also about the the knowledge of the [01:15:55] heart and the tension that you feel [01:15:58] every day like uh every day I'm I just [01:16:01] feel a great spiritual tension where I [01:16:03] don't like if you ask me are you going [01:16:04] to go to heaven or hell I say I don't [01:16:06] God help me. I don't know. I don't know. [01:16:08] Like are you a good person or bad [01:16:10] person? God help me. I don't know. I I [01:16:11] don't I don't know. I don't have a good [01:16:13] answer to that. It makes it weird too [01:16:14] when like people go at you because [01:16:16] you're just like I don't even know if [01:16:18] I'm going to defend myself. Maybe I you [01:16:19] know maybe I am you know like what am I [01:16:21] am and and [01:16:24] but you can find a certain amount of [01:16:26] meaning in that the there's like a [01:16:28] certain amount of meaning confusion like [01:16:30] maybe that's how it was supposed to be [01:16:31] that we are spirits and human bodies [01:16:33] because [01:16:34] the if you you know if you read your old [01:16:36] philosophy there's debate on mindbody [01:16:38] dualism and [01:16:41] there's there's a sense that we've all [01:16:43] had that am I a body am I a mind well [01:16:46] God we're both We're like we are both [01:16:49] we're a mind and a body and or a spirit [01:16:54] and a body and there's going to be [01:16:57] tension between this that we you know we [01:17:00] wrestle against the flesh and so maybe [01:17:02] that's the right answer. Maybe the right [01:17:04] answer is to not be so sure that you're [01:17:07] right and that you're such a righteous [01:17:08] and holy person. And maybe the right [01:17:09] answer is I don't know. I honestly don't [01:17:11] know. [01:17:11] >> Well, humility is always the right [01:17:12] answer. You're not God. [01:17:14] >> But you could be proud of humility. You [01:17:15] know there's a great [01:17:16] >> of well of course [01:17:17] >> Benjamin Frank he's one of the best [01:17:18] favorite writers and he said he he would [01:17:21] keep a list of the virtues and he said I [01:17:23] was I would he he said I I've achieved [01:17:25] all virtues but I found that I myself [01:17:28] became proud of my humility [laughter] I [01:17:31] realized like that was going to get me [01:17:32] so so yeah the yeah so there is there is [01:17:36] like a meaning crisis because there [01:17:37] that's why we have the opioid epidemic [01:17:39] >> yes [01:17:40] >> we have people but even people who are [01:17:42] successful at drug overdose or they blow [01:17:43] up their family lives [01:17:45] because they're they're thinking, is [01:17:46] this really all there is? Oh, I I did [01:17:48] the right things. And so even if you end [01:17:50] up in a success, [01:17:52] you're you're still having those nights [01:17:54] one day. [01:17:55] >> Well, maybe especially and maybe that [01:17:57] describes the politics you were talking [01:17:58] about earlier where a lot of a ruling [01:18:01] class is just bored and let's let's hurt [01:18:03] people just to shake it up a little bit. [01:18:05] >> Yeah. A lot I think a lot of them are [01:18:06] driven by demonic spirits and those [01:18:10] people I think it's less of a less of a [01:18:12] meaning crisis and it's more of a like [01:18:14] an evil an evil animating force. [01:18:16] >> Okay. So how do you recognize that? What [01:18:18] there's got to be a difference between [01:18:20] just being wrong which I have done many [01:18:22] times probably even today and being [01:18:26] animated by an evil spirit. [01:18:30] >> The angel and demon on your shoulder. [01:18:31] Yeah. I mean, that's where the that's [01:18:34] where the discernment that people talk [01:18:36] about so often is something that I I [01:18:39] think about every you know. [01:18:40] >> So, who do you who do you look at from [01:18:42] afar and perceive to be controlled by [01:18:45] evil spirits [01:18:48] >> most I mean when I go to DC although it [01:18:50] felt a little bit but it felt like I had [01:18:51] exorcism recently is I remember you go [01:18:54] to DC and you just feel you just just [01:18:57] like what is this? [01:18:59] >> Yeah. What is this demonic place? This [01:19:02] place is the playground playground of [01:19:05] the demons. The whole the whole place. [01:19:09] The whole place. Like just to name one [01:19:11] person would be to not do justice [01:19:14] [laughter] to the demonic forces at work [01:19:17] in DC. Even recently if you look in the [01:19:19] Department of Justice, have you ever [01:19:20] looked at the occult artwork in at DOJ? [01:19:23] >> No. [01:19:24] >> I'll show you some pictures [01:19:26] >> next time. [01:19:27] >> DOJ. Next time you're at DOJ, go [cough] [01:19:31] get a tour and go look at all the occult [01:19:33] artwork. And uh [01:19:35] >> why is there a cult artwork at the [01:19:37] Department of Justice? [01:19:38] >> That's [01:19:38] >> it shows, by the way. [01:19:40] >> That's cuz it is because they take the [01:19:42] they take their religion seriously. We [01:19:43] might not take our religion seriously, [01:19:44] but they take us seriously. The the bad [01:19:47] guys take their religion quite [01:19:48] seriously. And they have they have a [01:19:50] religion. They have a god. Their god is [01:19:52] in our god. Their god's the anti and the [01:19:55] inverse of our god. But they absolutely [01:19:57] have a religion. There a call artwork is [01:19:58] everywhere. The It's mortifying and when [01:20:02] you when you get the tour, you can [01:20:05] probably find the pictures online. So [01:20:07] that's what we're we're up that's what [01:20:09] we're up against. [01:20:09] >> What's on the dollar bill? [01:20:11] >> Yeah. Well, the some of that Yeah. The [01:20:13] cold symbolism is a complicated one [01:20:15] because [01:20:16] like is we had um Jonathan Pou and was [01:20:20] interviewed for meaning and I was like [01:20:22] I'm like ever since with Iaska I'm like [01:20:24] obsessed with what does the serpent [01:20:26] mean? [01:20:27] Because under the kind of the mainline [01:20:30] Protestant understanding, the serpent [01:20:32] tempted Eve. The serpent is bad. The [01:20:34] snakes are evil. [01:20:34] >> Serp serpent's not good. [01:20:37] >> It's more complicated than that. [01:20:39] [laughter] So, [01:20:40] and he's an Orthodox Christian. So, he [01:20:42] he wrote an article, the serpents of [01:20:44] Orthodoxy, where he goes because there's [01:20:47] there was a staff with two serpents [01:20:49] moving around there. You know, there's [01:20:51] DNA. There was even before the the [01:20:53] double helix structure of DNA was [01:20:56] discovered there was two serpents [01:20:58] wrapped around that sort of for sure was [01:21:00] understood. Um you know IA the cosmic [01:21:03] serpent a lot of people see serpents and [01:21:06] that you know that's a whole other [01:21:07] >> and you've seen serpents while doing [01:21:09] >> I felt felt it like moving through me [01:21:13] just like flowing flowing through me. [01:21:16] >> Serpents [01:21:17] >> snake. Oh yeah yeah [01:21:20] >> yeah. So that doesn't I mean I'm I'm no [01:21:24] shaman, but that doesn't sound good. [01:21:26] >> Well, that's what sent you on these like [01:21:28] quests. So So we wouldn't be having this [01:21:31] conversation if I cuz for one thing, you [01:21:34] know, for Christians, Iawaska is like [01:21:36] strictly forbidden. So I don't I don't [01:21:37] want to seem like I'm glamorizing it in [01:21:40] any way, shape or form, but the there [01:21:42] was I have gone on multiple Iawaska [01:21:46] journeys over the years and [01:21:49] for me it's been completely transformed [01:21:52] my heart. It's transformed how I see my [01:21:53] children. [01:21:55] It's the way the way I like interact [01:21:57] with the world. It got me interested in [01:21:58] Christianity again because [01:22:01] well the thing is God can meet you [01:22:03] wherever you are, right? Which is why [01:22:05] there is good and evil. So it isn't to [01:22:07] say there's no such thing as good and [01:22:08] evil. But God God can meet you wherever [01:22:12] you are and God God can go anywhere and [01:22:15] meet you wherever you are. So in my [01:22:18] case, I was not someone who I never had [01:22:20] any kind of faith because I never felt [01:22:22] anything. I would I would go to church [01:22:24] and I grew up very Christian and I would [01:22:27] like try to feel it. I was like what do [01:22:29] these people have like there's just not [01:22:30] this just isn't it? What is it that they [01:22:33] feel like? Is everybody in on something [01:22:36] that I'm not in on? Is everybody faking? [01:22:38] Like I'm faking because I don't believe [01:22:40] anything. And that was cuz I had no [01:22:44] whatever whatever six sense people have [01:22:46] for God I didn't have. I didn't have the [01:22:48] God gene. [01:22:50] And then I remember, you know, first [01:22:52] time drinking tea and being catapulted [01:22:56] to the spirit world and I was like, [01:22:59] okay, the spirit world is real. [01:23:02] That's okay. That's not even up for [01:23:03] debate now. To the point where it [01:23:05] doesn't even offend me when people are [01:23:07] atheists or don't believe in I was like, [01:23:08] well, I didn't believe in it either. I [01:23:10] had to see it with my own eyes. You [01:23:11] know, Paul, he had to be knocked over [01:23:13] and, you know, to blinded. Yeah. [01:23:16] >> He had So, for me, that was like my my [01:23:18] Paul moment where I was like, okay, [01:23:19] well, somehow I ended up here drinking [01:23:22] tea with no belief at all in God or the [01:23:25] spiritual realm at all. And now I [01:23:27] absolutely know it's real. and went, you [01:23:30] know, went through a number of things [01:23:32] and, you know, I don't know if you want [01:23:33] to go into all that, but [01:23:34] >> I I do like why' you do I in the first [01:23:37] place [01:23:38] >> for the wrong reason, which was [01:23:41] for the ride. You know what? Hunter [01:23:44] Thompson said, "Buy the ticket, take the [01:23:45] ride." [01:23:46] >> Yeah. [01:23:46] >> So many people just sit around [01:23:48] ruminating all day or daydreaming all [01:23:50] day. Maybe I'll do this, maybe I'll [01:23:51] this. I've always been a just buy the [01:23:53] ticket, take the ride. What's it like? [01:23:55] Buy the ticket, take the ride. [01:23:57] So I thought, well, I mean, I'd done a [01:23:58] lot of things in life before and I felt [01:24:00] like I I felt like uh was pretty sure of [01:24:02] myself that I knew how to live and was [01:24:05] arrogant in a lot of ways. And I [01:24:08] thought, well, you know, I've done [01:24:09] everything else. I might as well just do [01:24:10] Iaska. You know, by everything else, I [01:24:12] don't mean drugs. I just mean like I was [01:24:14] so full of myself and my own ego that I [01:24:16] just thought I knew so much about life [01:24:18] and I was such a wonderful person that [01:24:20] obviously I would just do this because [01:24:22] that's what people who are so you know [01:24:24] so great so great do right I'm so great [01:24:27] I'll just do this like other thing and [01:24:29] it like broke my heart broke my heart [01:24:32] over and over again the whole night just [01:24:34] like broke my heart and the so the way [01:24:38] the way it works [01:24:41] is you're you know you drink the tea and [01:24:45] you just kind of like look around. Okay, [01:24:47] I think that's a mistake and then you [01:24:49] sort of like you you kind of like start [01:24:50] to fall under [01:24:52] and you venture to the spirit world, but [01:24:57] you don't it's not like you're here and [01:24:59] I'm walking around la I'm in the spirit [01:25:01] world. You're taken to a place where you [01:25:03] have no free will. You have no power. [01:25:06] You are [01:25:08] more insignificant than an insect on [01:25:10] this world. and you start to journey and [01:25:16] you know experience all these things. [01:25:17] So, so one I give you an example cuz [01:25:20] it's it's kind of hard to explain but [01:25:23] I remember like I'm drinking the tea and [01:25:24] and and sometimes you have like a little [01:25:26] bit of a light show when you when you go [01:25:28] in you go into the spirit world you hear [01:25:30] like a buzzing sound like bees and then [01:25:34] you see like a little bit of light a [01:25:35] little vapor on the side like and then [01:25:37] you get the DMT sort of light show that [01:25:39] people associate with a psychedelic [01:25:41] experience that's the least significant [01:25:44] part of the night but a lot of times you [01:25:46] start to get the night show and you [01:25:47] think, "Oh, okay. I'm I'm into [01:25:49] somewhere." But there's a sense of like [01:25:51] there's me and I'm in I'm into something [01:25:54] and you, you know, you go through there [01:25:57] and then you become completely [01:25:59] disoriented. You you wake up and you [01:26:01] look, you know, where am I at first? [01:26:03] Where am I? So, I remember I I woke up, [01:26:06] I go, where I look around because, you [01:26:08] know, you're laying down, you can't walk [01:26:09] around, you're laying down. I look up [01:26:10] and I go, where am I? Where am I? Where [01:26:12] am I? I go, oh yeah, I'm Mike Cernovich. [01:26:15] And I'm in this place. I'm on this mat. [01:26:18] And I [clears throat] got dropped off. [01:26:20] And then I walked in here and I saw this [01:26:22] person. And then I came and I drank the [01:26:24] tea. Okay, cool. It's like you're [01:26:25] reassuring yourself. [01:26:27] Close my eyes. Wake up. Where am I? Oh, [01:26:29] I'm Mike Cernovich. I'm in this room and [01:26:33] I came in. Oh, yeah. I got dropped off. [01:26:35] I'm doing an eyew. Okay, cool. Okay, [01:26:37] cool. Close eyes. Wake up. I'm Mike [01:26:40] Cernovich. [01:26:43] Where am I? Close my eyes. Wake up. I'm [01:26:47] uh Where am I? [01:26:50] Wake up. [01:26:53] What the [01:26:56] Dead. Dead. There is no eye. Dead. Dead. [01:27:00] Ah. [01:27:02] And as I'm falling down into like [01:27:05] wherever I'm falling into, [01:27:07] I see like my kids surface and my wife's [01:27:10] surface. [01:27:12] And I was for all purposes dead. I was [01:27:16] overwhelmed [01:27:17] with the feeling that I was dead. I was [01:27:19] like, I'm dying. I'm dead. And there was [01:27:21] no eye. I'm There wasn't even an eye [01:27:23] who's experiencing and I'm dead. And [01:27:26] then like all I could think of was like, [01:27:28] are my kids going to be okay? Is my wife [01:27:30] going to be okay? Are people going to be [01:27:32] okay? How was that so foolish? How was I [01:27:35] so foolish? [01:27:36] How? How? I was so I I remember like [01:27:39] when I funded my kids like college fund. [01:27:44] I was like, "Okay, like my kids are set. [01:27:47] Like I can die, you know? Like what do I [01:27:49] need to be around for?" Like cuz I grew [01:27:50] up poor. Like then you learn that's your [01:27:52] own trauma and everything. I was like, [01:27:54] "Okay, like my kids are good. My wife's [01:27:56] good. Like everybody's good, you know? [01:27:57] Everybody's good. I got they're going be [01:27:59] taken care of. Whatever happens to me, [01:28:01] you know, cuz part of this is like, you [01:28:02] know, knowing that you could be killed [01:28:03] or or framed any day. [01:28:06] And I'm like, "Okay, everybody, [01:28:07] everybody be okay." And I remember I'm [01:28:09] dying and I just heard a voice say, "You [01:28:11] fool. You fool. They're not okay. [01:28:15] They're not okay because of money [01:28:18] because you set up money." Like, no, [01:28:21] they're not okay. Where are What is [01:28:24] wrong with you? And I was just left with [01:28:26] this sense of I just I'm a fool and I [01:28:29] live my life foolishly and I can't [01:28:31] believe that I was such a fool and I'm [01:28:34] dead now. and it's like too late and [01:28:36] then eyes closed and I wake up and then [01:28:39] I'm like puking in a bucket like you [01:28:42] know so they call like a spiritual purge [01:28:46] and I remember being like oh god I'm [01:28:49] still alive I'm still alive like looking [01:28:52] around you know like looking at this [01:28:54] bucket like I'd never been you know [01:28:56] everybody's afraid of throwing up on [01:28:57] Iaska I'm like oh you will that will be [01:29:00] the best part of the night that will be [01:29:03] the you will be thanking God that you're [01:29:06] alive like th you know throwing up in a [01:29:08] bucket and I was like oh god I'm I'm [01:29:11] alive okay I'm alive and then but then [01:29:14] that's just like that was 5 minutes that [01:29:17] was just 5 minutes and then you like go [01:29:19] back under and then it's like another [01:29:22] thing another [01:29:26] catharsis like another like time loop so [01:29:28] I remember I remember I I get up and I I [01:29:32] look around And [01:29:34] there's this woman walking around and [01:29:36] she's carrying the buckets cuz you know [01:29:37] people are throwing up and everybody's [01:29:39] sick and you so you have kind of the the [01:29:41] shaman guy or facilitator and then you [01:29:43] have like the helper and that there's [01:29:45] this person you know she's walking [01:29:47] around and she's [01:29:49] carrying a bucket carrying and I wake up [01:29:51] and I look and I go oh there she is [01:29:52] carrying the bucket and then close my [01:29:54] eyes you come back up time loop. So time [01:29:56] loop means like I'm reliving this moment [01:29:58] with you and I remember reliving this [01:30:00] moment with you but I'm like stuck in it [01:30:02] like groundhog day time loop and that's [01:30:05] the first time it happened to me and [01:30:06] that's a real like mind So I get [01:30:09] up and [01:30:10] like, oh, she's like carrying things. [01:30:14] Okay, she's cleaning up after people. [01:30:16] And then I thought, you know, how nice. [01:30:19] Fall fall asleep. Wake back up. I go, [01:30:21] man, look at she's like so helpful. And [01:30:24] I couldn't do that. Like I couldn't [01:30:26] clean up after puke on other people. I [01:30:28] just I don't know how they do this. And [01:30:30] then I wake up and I'm in the time loop [01:30:32] again. I'm like, what? What? Like why am [01:30:34] I in this time loop? you know, and like [01:30:35] you start to feel like you're going [01:30:37] insane. Like, why am I stuck in this [01:30:38] time loop? And I close my and I went up [01:30:39] and he goes said, "You don't even know [01:30:41] her name. You never introduce yourself [01:30:44] to her. You didn't talk to her. You [01:30:46] don't talk to people. You just look [01:30:47] through people. You don't get to know [01:30:49] people. You're so arrogant. [01:30:52] This person is doing something you could [01:30:54] never do because you don't have the [01:30:56] humility. You're so You can never clean [01:30:58] up after other people. You don't give a [01:30:59] You don't give a this and [01:31:02] but you'd even like look this person in [01:31:04] the eyes and just say like hey you know [01:31:07] what's your name like how'd you how'd [01:31:09] you get here? You just came in here to [01:31:10] drink your tea selfishly like the [01:31:12] arrogant prick that you are and cuz you [01:31:15] wanted to take the ride you know you [01:31:16] wanted to take the ride and you're just [01:31:18] a bad person. I was like what the [01:31:22] you know? And then [01:31:24] so [laughter] that was more or less my [01:31:27] night [01:31:27] >> and you see demon at one point [01:31:29] >> over and over again. Oh yeah, that was [01:31:32] so you can see de so you can see demons. [01:31:34] I remember being taunted. So [snorts] [01:31:39] that's what's weird about it is it's [01:31:40] like it's like scenes of a movie with [01:31:44] generally there's a catharsis. You don't [01:31:45] know. That's why they just say before [01:31:47] you go in they go the only way out [01:31:49] through. You're like a go yourself [01:31:51] the only way out through. What kind of [01:31:52] is that? The only way out through. [01:31:53] What the does that mean? You know, [01:31:55] again, that was my arrogance and my own [01:31:57] delusion. [01:31:59] >> And [01:31:59] >> that's true in life, though. [01:32:01] >> Yeah. Yeah. And I was just And you're [01:32:04] like, what does that mean? Well, it [01:32:05] means that no matter how bad it is with [01:32:08] the Iawaska, I remember I would I would, [01:32:10] you know, I would do mask and then I [01:32:12] would open up the mask and try to look [01:32:13] around and a demon at whatever it is [01:32:18] entity says, "Oh, you think you're going [01:32:20] to open your eyes?" And it just showed [01:32:21] me like the most up things I'd [01:32:23] ever seen. people being tortured to [01:32:25] death, killed, like horror, like The [01:32:27] Road. Have you ever seen the movie The [01:32:28] Road? No. [01:32:29] >> Like a cannibal, like a horror film. And [01:32:32] then it said, "Oh, you think you can [01:32:34] take your eye mask off, but you can't [01:32:36] run? You're running from yourself. [01:32:38] You're you're trying to run from [01:32:39] yourself, and you can never run for [01:32:40] yourself." I like, "What am I running [01:32:43] from?" Then I'm like, "What am I running [01:32:44] from? What? What do you mean I'm Cuz if [01:32:46] you'd talk to me [01:32:49] at that point in my life, you would be [01:32:51] talking to a very You would not be [01:32:53] talking to this person. You would be [01:32:55] talking to a person who's like, "Oh [01:32:57] yeah, I got things figured out, man. [01:32:58] Like, I got things figured out and I can [01:33:00] prove it. I grew up poor. I've had some [01:33:03] things happen that haven't been so good [01:33:04] in my life. I've had to navigate life [01:33:07] with a bipolar mom. [01:33:09] Power da da da da da." Like, I know [01:33:12] life. you talk to me now. I'm like, I [01:33:15] mean, I have ideas, you know, things [01:33:17] that I think are like the path forward, [01:33:18] but that that person was just shown you [01:33:22] are in the spirit realm. You're nothing. [01:33:25] You are nothing and you're so arrogant. [01:33:27] You're out here. You like you have no [01:33:30] power. So, it says you're running from [01:33:33] yourself. And I was like, what am I [01:33:35] running from? And it goes all that [01:33:38] success you chased and all the whatever [01:33:41] whatever it is I was trying to do. They [01:33:44] go that was just masking your [01:33:47] heart your your your the the trauma the [01:33:51] trauma that you have and that everything [01:33:54] you're doing is just to mask that. I'm [01:33:56] like well that's you know that [01:33:58] doesn't make any sense. So it's like [01:34:00] okay cuz you're cuz you're and and by [01:34:02] this I mean I'm you're talking to a [01:34:04] guide. So when I'm saying this, this is [01:34:07] not like an internal monologue. This is [01:34:10] you're talking to something outside of [01:34:12] yourself. [01:34:14] It's like Dante's Infernal like the [01:34:15] guide. And the guide said, "Okay, you [01:34:18] know, big mouth, you want to argue like [01:34:21] we'll just vortex you back in uh the [01:34:25] spirit realm." So then it's like you [01:34:26] close your eyes. That's why I'm like [01:34:28] it's like end scene. You're like, "Oh, [01:34:30] you're like you're in like a new scene." [01:34:33] And then it like it shows you something [01:34:35] from like when you were a child or maybe [01:34:37] in my case it was like something from [01:34:39] when I was like a child and it was [01:34:40] remember was like it was showing me it [01:34:43] was showing me the house I grew up in [01:34:45] and I was like why is it showing me the [01:34:48] h like my house? I grew up in this like [01:34:50] small shitty house. I hated it. We had [01:34:53] holes in the carpet. Like I was [01:34:54] embarrassed to bring people over. I was [01:34:57] like why why am I being shown my house? [01:35:01] What? like, "I hate that house. [01:35:03] I hate this house. Why are you [01:35:05] showing me this house?" [01:35:07] And then it and then like voice is like, [01:35:10] "You had all the love in the world in [01:35:12] that house. Your dad loved you. Your mom [01:35:15] loved you. They did the best that they [01:35:17] could do." [01:35:19] And you think that you can just like [01:35:21] give your kids money because that's your [01:35:24] own thing, you know? Like, well, you [01:35:26] grew up poor. So, but it's like you took [01:35:28] the love for granted. you just like you [01:35:31] had all this love but you didn't have [01:35:32] money so then that becomes your hang-up [01:35:35] like oh do I have enough and like well [01:35:37] if my kids have enough what do you need [01:35:40] what do you need me for you know like [01:35:42] what's that for it was it was like all [01:35:45] the love in the world was in that house [01:35:46] and you hated the house and you like you [01:35:49] didn't even know it I was like oh [01:35:51] you know so like I always loved my dad [01:35:54] and had a good relationship but I was [01:35:55] like oh my god like it was like and what [01:35:57] was it like for your dad to be poor [01:35:59] like not know how to make a what was [01:36:01] that like for him, you know, and you're [01:36:03] just like, "Oh, fuck." You know, like [01:36:06] he was poor, too. You guys were just [01:36:08] poor. That was like the town lost the [01:36:10] factory and people were jobless and that [01:36:12] just every kid's dad went through the [01:36:14] same thing. You worked at a factory and [01:36:15] then you had to find some other kind of [01:36:17] shitty job and you kind of find [01:36:18] something else. And then eventually my [01:36:20] dad figured it out. By then I was like [01:36:22] in high school so it didn't really [01:36:24] impact my life either way. [01:36:26] And then I was like, "Oh, I have [01:36:28] all this I have all these issues around [01:36:29] money just in a way that's like [01:36:32] traumatic, you know, not just in a way [01:36:34] that, you know, people need money to [01:36:36] live and you want to be greedy and but I [01:36:39] like I had no idea and I never would I [01:36:41] never would have like reached that [01:36:42] conclusion emotionally." And then and [01:36:44] then you're like zooming out and it's [01:36:46] just like oh it's like there's like [01:36:49] loves the the love of your family, the [01:36:52] love that God has for you. And then and [01:36:55] I was like, "Fuck." Okay. So then I [01:36:57] close your eyes like you wake back up [01:36:58] and it's like look it was literally like [01:37:01] a old grandfather or something like [01:37:04] something out of Gandalf or something [01:37:06] and it's like look and it goes it's like [01:37:09] in a very calming like masian voice it [01:37:11] says it's not supposed to be this way. [01:37:13] And it was just like he was like doing [01:37:16] this. He's like it's not supposed to be [01:37:17] this way. And I look and like like I [01:37:20] said, I'm laying down and I look and I [01:37:21] see this [snorts] [01:37:23] Gandalf like figure floating and like I [01:37:25] was like, "It's not supposed to be this [01:37:26] way." I was like, "What's not supposed [01:37:28] to be this way?" And then he just showed [01:37:32] all the the light. It's like the lights [01:37:34] are all separate now. You're supposed to [01:37:38] be together. It's supposed to be [01:37:39] communion. It's supposed to be that [01:37:41] everyone's lo, you know, loving each [01:37:43] other and you just want to like kill [01:37:44] kill each other. He goes, "This this is [01:37:46] not how it's supposed to be." It was [01:37:47] like it was like a frustrated dad who [01:37:50] was like this is like this is not how [01:37:51] it's supposed to be. This is not how [01:37:53] it's supposed to be. And I was like oh [01:37:55] okay you know this is so above my pay [01:37:57] grade you know I don't even know like [01:37:59] and that's how I know it's not coming [01:38:01] from me. I'm like if I could come up [01:38:03] with stuff like this people would think [01:38:05] I was a genius. You know this is not my [01:38:08] brain and I'm so smart. And then I like [01:38:11] go back under and then I come back up [01:38:15] and I hear this like scream [01:38:18] and it was like the scream of an enraged [01:38:22] mom [01:38:23] basically screaming at like the same [01:38:25] situation. [01:38:27] So then, you know, it takes years to put [01:38:29] all this together and everything, but [01:38:31] that was like showing me the masculine, [01:38:33] the logos, [01:38:35] and the the way like a father governs [01:38:37] and then like the rage of a mom and the [01:38:39] children like are not getting together [01:38:42] and you know the tension of the tension [01:38:44] of male and female and then I like I saw [01:38:48] a old woman's face on a mountain. I was [01:38:51] like I don't even know where this is [01:38:52] from. I never read any books before [01:38:54] this. And that's Patcha Mama. So that's [01:38:56] a different kind of entity. So in that [01:38:59] case, I saw like whatever whatever [01:39:01] patchcha mama was the, you know, mother [01:39:04] earth or whatever in paganism that [01:39:05] people describe it as. So I'm just [01:39:07] going, you know, back and forth between [01:39:10] flashbacks to my life. [01:39:12] >> Wait, so you saw a demon that others [01:39:14] identified [01:39:16] >> a woman's head in a mountain? Yeah. [01:39:18] Yeah. Patchamama. I had no idea. Yeah. I [01:39:20] didn't I didn't do my research before [01:39:22] going in. So I'd know like I [01:39:25] >> So what you're saying is these are [01:39:26] definitely not parts of your [01:39:28] subconscious that rose to the surface [01:39:30] >> there. Yeah. There unless it's a [01:39:31] parabola. Our unconscious is you know [01:39:33] there's a theory that that that our [01:39:35] unconscious is generating our experience [01:39:37] in real time but it's not it wasn't me. [01:39:39] It wasn't a book I read. It was cuz I [01:39:42] was again like atheist. So every [01:39:44] rationalistic argument they could say [01:39:46] well you probably just like no I never [01:39:48] studied Aztec culture and Indian [01:39:51] culture. I didn't know what Patchcha [01:39:52] Mama was. And so there was [snorts] the [01:39:57] they're like they're external entities. [01:39:59] So the the older figure you could say [01:40:01] maybe well that was uh the guardian and [01:40:03] you read Dante's Inferno in high school, [01:40:05] right? That was some [01:40:07] >> thing in your unconscious so that [01:40:08] surfaced. But Patchchamama [01:40:11] and other kind of entities were not so [01:40:15] beyond my cultural understanding or or [01:40:17] my my knowledge. So yeah. So then you're [01:40:20] going like you're going back into that [01:40:23] and [01:40:25] like you go through it really. I mean [01:40:27] it's not a pleasurable there aren't a [01:40:30] lot of Iawaska addicts, [01:40:32] >> right? [laughter] [01:40:33] Is that true? And it's not covered by [01:40:35] Medicaid. [01:40:36] >> No. No. They're they're um which is [01:40:38] which is a good thing because I I I [01:40:40] don't know. Um a lot of you don't want [01:40:42] some fly by night shaman or you end up [01:40:44] with the wrong situation. [01:40:45] >> This is all in Mexico, right? [01:40:46] >> A lot of a lot of things can go bad. [01:40:47] They're um they're they're different [01:40:49] areas. I South Africa I've done it [01:40:51] before. And [01:40:52] >> how many times have you done it? [01:40:54] >> Nine 10 times [01:40:55] >> actually. [01:40:56] >> Mhm. [01:40:56] >> Yeah. They're um [01:40:59] Oh, yeah. There it Because it just you [01:41:03] go in and [01:41:05] the I had a lot of I had a lot of I mean [01:41:08] like I had a I I had a lot of things [01:41:10] that I had to beat out of me. I used to [01:41:12] like just like where earlier were [01:41:14] talking about how you you know a certain [01:41:15] amount of stoicism we all have which [01:41:17] like I think is good and I think [01:41:19] therapeutic culture goes too far where [01:41:21] you don't want to sit around and like [01:41:22] talk about how bad it was being a kid [01:41:26] but a lot of us and I learned this [01:41:27] dealing with a lot of a lot of veterans [01:41:29] have done plant medicine I don't know if [01:41:31] you've seen in waves in war yet with [01:41:33] Ambber Marcus Mone u Capone Amber Marcus [01:41:37] Capone they're amazing so you have all [01:41:40] these vets who were suicidal [01:41:42] And then they a lot a lot of them do I [01:41:44] gain they go down to IBA gain clinic [01:41:46] that's what vets is a charity I've [01:41:47] sponsored or um donated to you know for [01:41:50] a number of years and vet solutions and [01:41:54] so with me the you you realize that like [01:41:58] a lot of what we do that we think of as [01:42:00] virtuous [01:42:02] is trying to we're trying to hide [01:42:04] something from ourselves. We're trying [01:42:06] to make it so that we can't be um [01:42:08] vulnerable. [01:42:10] And so with veterans especially, they [01:42:13] they you know they find out a lot of [01:42:14] things have happened when they were kids [01:42:16] and that's why they became the men they [01:42:17] were because you're driven by the sense [01:42:20] that like I'll never be weak and [01:42:21] powerless again. I'll never be weak and [01:42:23] powerless again. [01:42:25] >> Which that's a good thing. You shouldn't [01:42:26] be weak and powerless. [01:42:28] But if you have all this other stuff [01:42:31] underneath that, then maybe you don't [01:42:35] love your kids the way you're capable [01:42:36] of. Or maybe you're afraid to love your [01:42:38] kids and wife the way you are because [01:42:39] maybe you're you are afraid to be hurt. [01:42:42] And that's another aspect I think where [01:42:45] therapy c therapy culture has taken [01:42:47] things too far where you're like, "Oh, [01:42:49] let's like talk about our trauma like [01:42:51] all day and relive things." Whereas no, [01:42:53] like but maybe for a weekend, you know, [01:42:56] maybe spend a weekend and talk about it [01:42:58] and [01:42:59] >> figure it out then and and work through [01:43:02] it. Don't you don't have to like live [01:43:03] it. So, I just I had so many lessons on [01:43:09] how how I was just a fool. Basically, I [01:43:11] was just a fool. [01:43:12] >> Well, that sounds amaz [01:43:22] That's the big debate, right? Saraphim [01:43:24] Rose wrote a book, The Soul After Death. [01:43:26] So, if you talk to Josiah Trenum, he [01:43:28] would just say, "Well, this is demonic [01:43:29] and this pharmarmacia." And absolutely, [01:43:31] you like absolutely not. That wouldn't [01:43:33] that's kind of my instinct. That [01:43:34] wouldn't even be a debate. Yeah. Would [01:43:36] there's there's really like no debate to [01:43:38] be had. [01:43:39] >> And my my position is I always warn [01:43:43] people away from it because it's a [01:43:46] monumental undertaking. It's not just [01:43:48] something that oh yeah, we'll go eat [01:43:51] some shrooms and go take a hike in [01:43:52] nature, [01:43:53] >> right? [01:43:53] >> It's not in the same world and a lot can [01:43:57] go wrong and it can disrupt a person's [01:43:58] life. [01:44:00] >> Well, I've seen that. [01:44:01] >> Yeah. too [01:44:02] >> with with uh [01:44:03] >> people's lives being destroyed by heavy [01:44:06] duty holistic [01:44:07] >> like in what way? [01:44:09] >> I had a friend who killed himself um was [01:44:12] from LSD but [01:44:14] >> you know [01:44:14] >> Yeah, wrecked relationships. [01:44:17] >> Yeah, LSD LSD is poisonous. they they [01:44:20] can cause a lot of issues and the that's [01:44:23] why it's more more or less like if [01:44:26] you're the like the guys especially that [01:44:29] vets and and Amber and Marcus and them [01:44:31] work with these are guys that are going [01:44:32] to kill themselves and they're [01:44:33] alcoholics most likely. We're not we're [01:44:36] not talking like oh I'm living like life [01:44:38] is great and I'm living in a state of [01:44:40] love. I'm going to go drink I was this [01:44:42] weekend. Right. [01:44:42] >> It's more like or in my case where [01:44:45] >> you're just being pushed there because I [01:44:48] was living in such a state of folly and [01:44:50] delusion. [01:44:51] >> Yes. [01:44:52] >> That there there was like no other way. [01:44:54] So in my in my belief I think God pushed [01:44:57] me there. I think I think it was God and [01:45:00] he showed me this is the only way that I [01:45:02] can show you that you are just not who [01:45:05] you think. You are just a delusional [01:45:07] fool [01:45:09] >> and this is the only way that we're [01:45:11] going to get through to you. [01:45:12] >> Yeah. [01:45:13] >> And the message like got through and [01:45:16] then you know I have drank and you know [01:45:19] had more teeth since then but it's not [01:45:21] something that I that I do regularly. [01:45:22] >> So what about the threat though of the [01:45:25] demon entering you? You said you had [01:45:27] serpents inside you. I should just say I [01:45:30] believe you. But I mean the consequences [01:45:33] of being I mean the first missionary [01:45:37] trip Jesus sends the disciples on all he [01:45:40] says is cast out demons. [01:45:43] >> The whole New Testament's Jesus casting [01:45:44] out demons. The disciples casting out [01:45:46] demons. Like that's completely real in [01:45:48] my opinion. [01:45:49] >> Yeah. and the and but the consequence of [01:45:53] living my I was probably demonp [01:45:54] possessed before the Iawaska cuz I was [01:45:58] so I'd been deluded by dark forces into [01:46:01] thinking that I was something that I [01:46:03] wasn't. [01:46:03] >> Yeah. [01:46:04] >> So in in my view [01:46:06] >> it isn't where oh I was such a holy [01:46:09] person. In my mind I would have I would [01:46:11] have thought I was. Yeah. No, it's like [01:46:13] the opposite where like whatever I was [01:46:15] before that, I'm not that way now. And [01:46:17] whatever path I'm on is like about God [01:46:21] and and Christianity and like trying, [01:46:24] you know, finding more love in the world [01:46:26] and divine communion and just knowing [01:46:29] that you're just not like a you're just [01:46:31] not a paycheck to your kids, you know. [01:46:33] And I didn't even treat him like I was [01:46:34] just a paycheck, but it was just some it [01:46:36] was I would just it was a glibess that I [01:46:40] had. So it's just the the the Iawaska [01:46:42] has just burned out all the glibness [01:46:44] that I had where I can't even laugh at [01:46:47] things sometimes. I'm just like I just [01:46:48] that's just not funny. In a way I'm like [01:46:50] too serious. It's like why are you [01:46:52] laughing? [01:46:52] >> It's a very non-American approach to [01:46:54] >> this is just not funny. Trump is so fun. [01:46:57] I don't care. fun. I hate fun. What [01:46:59] do you mean fun? We don't get to have [01:47:01] fun on this world. Fun. You want to have [01:47:04] fun? What are you a little kid? Right. [01:47:06] So it's it's driven it's driven all of [01:47:09] that out of me in in a way that I [01:47:13] couldn't have reached intellectually. So [01:47:16] >> how does it make you feel about death? [01:47:18] >> It may well I know there's a judgment. I [01:47:21] don't think there's a judgment. I know [01:47:22] there's a final judgment for sure. [01:47:25] >> Really? [01:47:26] >> So for me it's not even [01:47:27] >> I think you're right. But what convinced [01:47:28] you of that? [01:47:29] >> Cuz I just was in the spirit world. I [01:47:31] saw my divine judgment and my divine [01:47:35] judgment was hell. you know, that was [01:47:36] that was like my divine judgment. And [01:47:39] so, one is I just I know there's a final [01:47:42] judgment to the point where when people [01:47:45] say, "Oh, you're whatever crazy or [01:47:47] whatever." I don't even get offended. [01:47:48] I'm just like, "Brother, I was that was [01:47:50] me. I was you. I was you before this. [01:47:53] So, how can I be upset with you for [01:47:56] thinking this when that was what I [01:47:57] thought before then?" So, like, I know [01:47:59] there's a final judgment. I know the [01:48:00] accounting is in the human heart. It's [01:48:02] not in the words. It's not in what you [01:48:04] say. It's not in how holy you can be and [01:48:08] how you can tell everybody else they're [01:48:10] not holy and you're, you know, you're [01:48:11] Mr. Holier than thou and everybody else [01:48:14] is a sinner. It's you're this the human [01:48:16] heart is going to be weighed and [01:48:17] measured [01:48:18] by God. In my opinion, it's Jesus [01:48:20] Christ. And you know, in my opinion, [01:48:22] it's Christianity and Jesus Christ. But [01:48:25] I'm but I'm not a um I'm not into the [01:48:30] apologetics where we argue and mind all [01:48:32] day about like what it is. I think the [01:48:34] human heart's going to be weighed and [01:48:35] that's something that that God's going [01:48:37] to determine at the judgment. I know [01:48:38] that I'm accountable [01:48:41] for everything. And I know having died [01:48:44] like for all purposes like I have died. [01:48:46] I have died. And I know that when you [01:48:50] die, [01:48:51] the only thing you're going to think [01:48:53] about [01:48:54] is the people you left behind. So all of [01:48:58] this materialism [01:49:01] and oh no somebody I'm I'm being picked [01:49:04] on today on the internet or I'm being [01:49:05] cancelled again or this and that like [01:49:08] none of that came up. Actually one one [01:49:10] funny thing that came up was during one [01:49:12] of my journeys. I was like I was under [01:49:15] and I saw some things and it came up and [01:49:17] it goes whatever it it whatever that's [01:49:20] what I mean. I don't know what it is. I [01:49:21] still don't understand it. and said, [01:49:22] "You know how blessed you are that [01:49:24] you've been like like [01:49:27] attacked and everything?" They go, "You [01:49:29] can talk about anything." [01:49:30] >> That's right. [01:49:31] >> Doesn't matter. People are just like, [01:49:32] "Oh, wow. Certainly talks about Iawaska. [01:49:34] We knew he was crazy anyway." [01:49:37] You know, like this is probably the [01:49:38] least crazy thing that he's like said [01:49:39] all week. Whereas, if I were more of [01:49:42] like legitimate and respectable, [01:49:46] then I would have to think, well, how's [01:49:47] this going to play? How's this going to [01:49:49] play? Should I talk about this? Should I [01:49:51] tell Tucker? Are people going to clip [01:49:52] this up and make fun of me? What is this [01:49:56] going to impact my standing with the [01:49:57] administration and all the serious [01:49:59] people in the world? Are they going to [01:50:02] >> None of that comes up. All that came up [01:50:04] was are are is my family going to be [01:50:06] okay? That's the only thing that I could [01:50:08] think about. So then you go from there. [01:50:11] Well, are they have you loved them? Do [01:50:13] they know you love them? Do you tell [01:50:14] them that every day? Are you saying your [01:50:16] prayers like every night cuz tomorrow's [01:50:18] not promised. I could be in a car right [01:50:20] now, flip over and die in a second. [01:50:22] People die all the time in a second. We [01:50:26] take it for granted. Charlie Kirk is [01:50:28] dead. Charlie Kirk is dead. And that [01:50:30] hurt me too. That hurt me bad. I haven't [01:50:32] cried so much in the past 3 months in my [01:50:36] whole life. And I don't care to admit [01:50:37] I've cried about it. You know, I think [01:50:39] that's a problem people have is, oh, you [01:50:41] know, we don't it's like I don't know [01:50:43] whatever a real man is. I think I'm [01:50:45] pretty pretty high up there. And I've [01:50:47] been crying more in the past few months [01:50:50] than I have my whole life combined. [01:50:54] And you realize like Charlie just died. [01:50:56] He just went and went to work. He's [01:50:57] dead. His kids don't see him. They're [01:50:59] not with them at Christmas. We're on the [01:51:01] internet arguing about Tyler [01:51:02] Robinson. And was it the massage or was [01:51:06] it the Charlie's kids? They don't have a [01:51:09] Christmas with them anymore. They don't [01:51:11] have a Christmas with them. Erica goes [01:51:13] home to an empty house and then she goes [01:51:15] on the internet and everybody's just [01:51:16] saying the worst things in the world [01:51:17] about her. She's not even my friend, but [01:51:19] she's a mom. There's the worst things in [01:51:21] the world about her that and they had [01:51:24] Christmas without their dad. What's that [01:51:25] like? What's it like to have Christmas [01:51:26] without your dad? A lot of people go [01:51:28] through that. So, do my do my kids know [01:51:30] this might be our last Christmas [01:51:32] together, but I'm going to be here. I'm [01:51:34] going to try to make it home, but if I [01:51:35] don't make it home, you know I loved [01:51:37] you. You know I love you. You know that [01:51:39] you're my world and that I'm obsessed [01:51:40] with you. And they never for a minute, [01:51:42] they never for a minute have to wonder [01:51:44] what like does dad love us? Does dad, [01:51:47] you know, is dad good to us? No, nobody [01:51:49] at my life. I text my friends the most [01:51:50] dopiest you know, like love you, [01:51:53] man. Just thinking about you. Just [01:51:55] thinking about you. I never never did [01:51:57] that before. Just the dopiest like most [01:52:00] sentimental stuff that you can imag hope [01:52:02] you're okay. How how like think about [01:52:05] all your friends you have. All of us [01:52:06] have these man friends. We're also, you [01:52:08] know, mainly man. When's the last time [01:52:09] somebody just like, "Hey, bro. I hope [01:52:10] you're okay. Just thinking about you. [01:52:13] That's nothing. I'm not uh not poetry, [01:52:15] but I just Oh, I haven't talked to this [01:52:16] guy in a couple months. I'm sure he's [01:52:18] doing fine. Maybe he's not doing fine, [01:52:20] though. Maybe he's not. Why do we think [01:52:21] everybody's doing fine? [laughter] Well, [01:52:23] >> right. Why? Why? Fair. [01:52:25] >> That's our delusion. That's the f that's [01:52:27] the fallacy. Everybody the the folly. [01:52:30] We're everybody's doing fine. And then [01:52:32] you don't reach out and they go, "Oh, I [01:52:34] wish I'd have seen it coming." You know, [01:52:35] maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't [01:52:36] have. So I think I meditate on death. I [01:52:40] think about every day. Every day I [01:52:42] meditate on it and it gives me [01:52:45] a sense of of calming if that makes any [01:52:48] sense. [01:52:48] >> That's exactly right. Avoiding death is [01:52:50] what makes you neurotic. Facing it makes [01:52:53] you calm, gives you peace [01:52:56] because that's the root of all fear [01:52:58] obviously is the is the fear of dying. [01:53:00] >> The fear of death and the fear of status [01:53:01] and the fear of the the egoistic [01:53:04] attachments that we ought to our names, [01:53:06] our reput affect your relationship with [01:53:08] your wife? [01:53:09] >> Uh, just like I'm like obsessed with my [01:53:11] wife. Like I'm just a s for my wife, [01:53:14] which if you you'd have to ask her, but [01:53:17] I don't know that she would have said [01:53:18] that was true, you know, or maybe [01:53:21] necessarily like early on. Like all I [01:53:23] think about is my wife and kids. Like [01:53:26] like if I make money, like I don't even [01:53:28] care. I just like get rid of it, you [01:53:29] know? Get get it to them. Like what? [01:53:31] People are like, "Oh, aren't you worried [01:53:32] about your wife like leaving you or your [01:53:35] kids?" I'm like, "I don't care. I I mean [01:53:37] I really like I don't care. I I [01:53:39] >> You mean signing all your money over to [01:53:40] your wife? [01:53:40] >> Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat] No, I mean I [01:53:42] did the right thing. No, there's a lot [01:53:44] of peace in that too. Totally. [01:53:45] >> It's like you're going to get blood from [01:53:46] a turnup. Come after me and it you're [01:53:48] going to be very [laughter] very [01:53:50] disappointed when you start [01:53:52] >> tip me upside down and maybe you get a [01:53:54] few quarters out of the pocket. So, it's [01:53:56] made me just as completely like obsessed [01:53:59] with her and the kids. [01:54:01] It's made me [01:54:04] like I've gotten much nicer even online [01:54:06] than I used to be, you know, because you [01:54:07] just think so much of it is [01:54:11] I'm not perfect, you know, cuz people [01:54:13] can I mean, my god, not even I'm not I [01:54:15] wouldn't even say I'm good, let alone [01:54:16] perfect, but you just realize like maybe [01:54:19] that guy's just having a bad day, you [01:54:21] know, the guy cut you off. [01:54:23] >> That's right. [01:54:23] >> I'm mad. I'm honking at him. Oh, I'm [01:54:26] going to fight. [01:54:27] >> Maybe that guy's kid's dead, dude. Maybe [01:54:29] his kid is in the hospital and now I'm [01:54:32] just adding so I'm always about like I [01:54:35] don't want to add to the trauma burden [01:54:36] of the world. What what like who knows [01:54:39] what other people and that doesn't mean [01:54:40] I'm going to let people walk all over me [01:54:41] and everything but who knows what people [01:54:43] are going through man. You you just like [01:54:46] you never know. So I think I think about [01:54:47] that all the time. Like I don't have [01:54:50] like I don't have any doubts that my [01:54:52] kids know where we stand, my friends [01:54:54] know where we stand. the people who [01:54:56] aren't my friends know where we stand [01:54:58] because I don't have time for like fake [01:55:00] love and fake pleasantries and [01:55:03] everything. It's either like re like [01:55:05] it's real or it's not. It's not real. [01:55:07] There's just no point. Why even why even [01:55:09] go into that middle space? And I just my [01:55:13] love for my dad which was always very [01:55:15] strong was like even stronger. My [01:55:17] empathy for my dad, my mom, you know, [01:55:19] cuz you think about what you always [01:55:20] think about what they did right to you [01:55:23] cuz we're the center of our own story. [01:55:25] because you have to be or you can't [01:55:26] live. I'm not I'm not diminishing that. [01:55:28] But then once you start thinking about [01:55:30] like what happened to them, what [01:55:33] happened to them that got them [01:55:35] >> right [01:55:36] >> here. And then suddenly you're like, [01:55:38] "Yeah, man. Whatever. My problems are my [01:55:40] problems or what I went through. I went [01:55:41] through." But every everybody everybody [01:55:43] is going through that. Everybody's going [01:55:44] through something. And then and then and [01:55:46] then as that expands, I think that's [01:55:48] meaning and I think that's how you [01:55:49] connect more with God because [01:55:52] that's the divine communion. Empathy, [01:55:54] you know, empathy is the part of the [01:55:56] divine communion. That's why charity is [01:55:58] part of the divine communion. That's why [01:55:59] these are all taught by Christ, even [01:56:01] people who don't believe in them, see [01:56:04] the the logic in it is you it's just [01:56:07] it's communion with the divine. And the [01:56:09] better we are to each other, the more in [01:56:11] touch we are with the the divine. And [01:56:14] the more that we fight and we bicker and [01:56:16] we squabble and in the case of war, we [01:56:17] kill each other, the further the further [01:56:20] away we are from God. [01:56:22] >> You know, Scott Adams. Mhm. [01:56:24] [clears throat] quite well. [01:56:25] >> He's facing death it sounds like. [01:56:27] >> No, no, that's why I've been crying. [01:56:29] I've been telling you, I just been [01:56:30] crying. You know, I saw some video Sean [01:56:31] has sent me a video and he's like, you [01:56:32] know, a lot of people don't know this, [01:56:35] but when I was just starting off like [01:56:36] Mike Cernovich like really helped me out [01:56:38] and really boosted and which is it is [01:56:40] true, but I was like, he's on his [01:56:42] deathbed. He's thinking about other [01:56:43] people and I'm wrapped up in my own [01:56:46] >> Yeah. [01:56:47] >> Aren't we all? [01:56:48] >> Every day. Yeah. I said he, you know, [01:56:50] Charlie's dead, Scott's dead. We're all [01:56:53] getting older. You know, there's tragedy [01:56:55] all around us every day. And you want to [01:56:59] start thinking about your own life. And [01:57:01] not that we don't already. So with Scott [01:57:04] Adams dying, that's like a huge loss. I [01:57:08] was again, I I'd leave my house cuz I [01:57:10] was crying. I was like, not that I'm [01:57:12] afraid to cry in front of my kids, but [01:57:14] they'd be like, "Why are you crying, [01:57:15] Dad? who's, you know, it's just like I [01:57:18] just got to I just got to take a walk [01:57:19] and I'm just walking and I'm like [01:57:21] >> which is another thing too I liked about [01:57:22] that I couldn't cry before I w you like [01:57:25] hold it in you know you hold it in and [01:57:28] once you get good at working with the [01:57:30] plant medicine you learn it's just a [01:57:32] wave man it's just a wave let the waves [01:57:34] flow why are we so afraid like why are [01:57:36] we so afraid to cry by ourselves right [01:57:38] like why if you're in a room by yourself [01:57:42] and things are surfacing whether you're [01:57:44] with the plants or not with the plants [01:57:46] Who's there to look at you other than [01:57:47] God? What are you afraid of? [01:57:49] >> I don't know. What What are we afraid [01:57:50] of? That is scary. [01:57:51] >> That's the That's the the ego in us that [01:57:54] keeps us alive, but also enslaves us. [01:57:57] That's the part that desires the [01:58:00] illusion of control. [01:58:02] So when you're when you're letting [01:58:04] things go, you have to surrender control [01:58:07] for a minute. You do have to like lose [01:58:08] your for a minute. And then that [01:58:11] that part of the the egoism wants to [01:58:14] wants to fight against that and wants to [01:58:15] feel like I you know I don't do this and [01:58:17] then [01:58:17] >> yeah be dignified. [01:58:18] >> We don't do this like we don't cry. It's [01:58:20] like well I mean I don't think it's [01:58:21] healthy to cry around your wife all the [01:58:23] time. Right. [01:58:24] >> No it's not right. I'm not saying not a [01:58:25] good idea. [01:58:26] >> Yeah. I'm not saying walk around and [01:58:27] like we're [01:58:28] >> don't cry in front of your wife all the [01:58:29] time. [01:58:29] >> We're weepy you know we're weepy all the [01:58:31] time. But [01:58:32] >> that's [laughter] a recipe for celibacy. [01:58:34] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's not that's not [01:58:36] an ideal thing. But like when my wife [01:58:38] had a miscarriage, I like I cried the [01:58:40] hell out of that. I just [01:58:42] >> in my office by myself and I cried and [01:58:44] then I you know what I noticed? I [01:58:45] started talking to people [01:58:46] >> or I you know I wrote about it and [01:58:48] they're like oh I had a miscarriage. I [01:58:50] was like why does nobody talk about [01:58:51] this? [01:58:51] >> I know [01:58:52] >> you can't talk about it. That felt like [01:58:53] a kid died. I was not even pro-life at [01:58:56] that point. I was like yeah politically [01:58:59] kind of am. [01:59:00] >> And when we had that miscarriage go my [01:59:02] kid died. My kid is dead. True. And from [01:59:05] that I was like, "Oh, pro-life." You [01:59:07] know, I just I just was an idiot and [01:59:10] didn't really understand. [01:59:11] >> That's such a common story though you [01:59:13] hear from people, you know, but people [01:59:15] don't talk about it. [01:59:16] >> Well, you're right. [01:59:17] >> Yeah. That's another thing. And then [01:59:18] everybody's walking around holding [01:59:20] everything in. They're like, "Why are [01:59:22] people getting drunk? Why are people [01:59:23] doing opios? Why are people Why do you [01:59:26] think?" Cuz they're they're just like [01:59:28] holding on to it. [01:59:30] And then then they want to mask the [01:59:32] feelings as they bubble up. So they find [01:59:34] alcohol or they find drugs or they find [01:59:37] pornography or they the devil loves [01:59:38] that. I that's that's the thing too [01:59:40] where I go back and forth and the [01:59:42] demonic thing with Iawaska. I was [01:59:44] telling a friend about this actually I [01:59:45] told a friend and he goes he goes what [01:59:49] are you doing this weekend? I was like [01:59:49] oh I got I'm doing some fasting and I'm [01:59:51] going do Iaska retreat. He's like I [01:59:53] sounds dangerous and scary. [01:59:56] I go where are you going? He's like I'm [01:59:57] going to Vegas. And I go that sounds [01:59:59] dangerous and scary to me. [laughter] [02:00:00] Well, [02:00:01] >> you're going to be amongst the drunks [02:00:02] and you might get hit by a drunk driver [02:00:04] and you might drink too much and find [02:00:06] yourself in a strange bed. [02:00:08] >> That to me, if that's where the devil [02:00:10] wants you, [02:00:11] >> I agree. [02:00:12] >> Cuz if you start looking, if like with [02:00:13] the Iawaska thing, even having some [02:00:16] experience with it, [02:00:18] I'm talking myself out of it until the [02:00:20] minute that I drink the tea. Up until [02:00:22] that very second that I drink the tea, [02:00:24] I'm thinking of every excuse in the [02:00:26] world to not drink it because I don't [02:00:28] want to drink it. I don't want to do it. [02:00:31] But if 10 years ago you said, "Hey, do [02:00:33] you want to go some take take some shots [02:00:34] of vodka and other things?" Like, "Oh, [02:00:36] yeah, that sounds like a great time." [02:00:38] >> Of course. [02:00:38] >> So then you have to that's where the [02:00:40] discernment comes in. And that's where [02:00:41] it becomes a heavier question. Well, why [02:00:45] is it that I want to do things that we [02:00:47] know are a sin, that we know are [02:00:49] damaging, and I want to I'm excited for [02:00:51] that, but I don't want to do this thing [02:00:55] that is like demonic with all of my [02:00:57] being. I do not if the I do not want to [02:01:00] ever drink Iawaska for the rest of my [02:01:02] life. I do not want to. That doesn't [02:01:04] mean I won't, but I don't want to. Well, [02:01:08] why though? Why don't I want to? Well, [02:01:10] it's it's because of the the spiritual [02:01:12] awakening or the spiritual reckoning [02:01:14] that happens and the the realizations [02:01:18] which fundamentally I think have made me [02:01:20] a more again I don't want to say a good [02:01:22] person, but it's certainly made me [02:01:24] change my life and live differently. [02:01:27] Have there been any downsides? [02:01:30] >> You got to be comfortable with spiritual [02:01:32] spiritual confusion would be one. So I [02:01:36] have a certain there's a certain like [02:01:39] weight now that I you ever hear the [02:01:42] expression like the unbearable lightness [02:01:43] of being [02:01:44] >> of course [02:01:44] >> and it's like very California woo thing [02:01:47] and everybody's all about lighten up man [02:01:50] you know chill out you should like learn [02:01:52] to relax [02:01:53] and I do and a friend of mine who who [02:01:57] found the medicine after I did remember [02:01:59] we were hanging out he came out to one [02:02:00] cigar he goes Mike [02:02:03] I was like yeah what's up brother what's [02:02:04] He goes, "I don't know how to say this." [02:02:08] He goes, "But since drinking Iawaska," [02:02:10] and he's a Christian. He plays in his [02:02:12] band, you know, in in the he plays [02:02:14] guitar in a band at church every Sunday. [02:02:16] He goes, "I don't know how to say." I [02:02:17] go, "Oh, you're like really spiritually [02:02:19] confused, right?" He goes, "Yes." And I [02:02:21] go, "What do you think?" I like know the [02:02:22] answer. He's like He goes, "All I'm [02:02:24] thinking about is like, am I doing the [02:02:26] right thing?" And there there's a [02:02:30] there's a confusion, but like in a good [02:02:32] way, where I think that a lot of people [02:02:35] think, well, I'm I'm a Christian. I'm [02:02:37] saved. I accepted Jesus as my Lord and [02:02:39] Savior. Once saved, always saved, [02:02:42] and then I'll just sort of live my life [02:02:44] and maybe go to church and try to be a [02:02:46] good person or whatever. But you feel [02:02:48] like I'm a, you know, I'm a Christian, [02:02:49] like I've checked the box. [02:02:52] Whereas when you with the medicine, I [02:02:55] think it's the opposite. where you're [02:02:57] just on any moment you're just waging [02:03:00] against [02:03:02] whatever sin, the darkness, and you're [02:03:05] just like, I don't know, man. I I [02:03:07] believe, but I don't I don't really know [02:03:09] what's going to happen. I I hope I you [02:03:11] know, I hope I'm doing the right things. [02:03:13] And that that level of spiritual [02:03:15] confusion, I think, is not meant for [02:03:17] everyone. So, I don't think most people [02:03:19] are even I think almost nobody should [02:03:21] should drink Iawaska. I think almost no [02:03:23] one should. I I think it's only [02:03:26] something that if a person feels like [02:03:28] they're going to do it anyway and no [02:03:30] amount of persuasion for me is going to [02:03:32] work, then that's something to talk [02:03:33] about. But I I don't think people should [02:03:36] should dabble in this kind of stuff [02:03:38] >> really. [02:03:39] But if you're a vet and you're like [02:03:42] looking at the bottom of a bottle of [02:03:43] Jack Daniels and you got a gun next to [02:03:46] you, [02:03:48] >> let's get you to Mexico, you know? Let's [02:03:50] get you to Peru. Like that's a that's a [02:03:53] whole different [02:03:53] >> Have you ever known anyone who's been [02:03:55] made worse by it? [02:03:58] >> Wor worse is worse is a hard way of [02:04:00] putting it because people go through [02:04:04] phases. So I've what happens with some [02:04:06] people unfortunately is because you are [02:04:09] getting quote unquote like downloads [02:04:11] from the universe. [02:04:13] People do kind of chase that download of [02:04:15] the universe dragon versus like the hard [02:04:17] work of living in life, right? So [02:04:19] drinking Iwasa once you kind of have a [02:04:21] hang of it, [02:04:23] it's never easy, [02:04:25] but it's like you put on your space suit [02:04:27] and you kind of know, you know, you kind [02:04:28] of know like you drink it and you can [02:04:30] feel it moving through you and your [02:04:32] hands start to feel like you have carpal [02:04:33] tunnel and right when you feel like you [02:04:35] sort of stretch out, you're like, "Oh [02:04:37] yeah, I'm the medicine's about to hit [02:04:39] and you can't direct the experience in [02:04:42] an active way, but you sort of know what [02:04:43] you're you're getting into." the first [02:04:45] couple times, God help you. And what [02:04:49] people will do then is rather than [02:04:51] undertake the hard work of being alive, [02:04:54] the hard work is here. The the the [02:04:56] realizations that I had, [02:04:58] change how I live here, but the hard [02:05:01] work is still like, I don't know, this [02:05:03] is a great talk. I'm going to leave [02:05:04] here. I'm like, I think that was a good [02:05:06] talk. [02:05:07] And then I'm going to be like wrapped up [02:05:10] about some business thing, you know, or [02:05:12] mad about something that somebody did to [02:05:14] me or wondering about some un, you know, [02:05:17] uncertain thing and then the, you know, [02:05:20] the demons come in and kind of kind of [02:05:22] steal your joy. So the hard work is here [02:05:24] and in planet Earth, why are we here? [02:05:27] That's again goes to the meaning of life [02:05:28] question. The um like take the Garden of [02:05:32] Eden story for example. [02:05:35] Even if it's not real, why was it [02:05:36] written? [02:05:37] >> I mean, if it's not real, it was written [02:05:39] as a metaphor, I suppose. [02:05:41] >> Why though? [02:05:42] >> To tell us about the nature of God and [02:05:44] man. [02:05:46] >> That's one. Yeah. [02:05:49] But I think it's this is not our home. [02:05:52] >> Yeah. [02:05:53] >> Right. Which is we know we don't we know [02:05:55] we don't belong here, right? the the [02:05:57] Garden of Eden is whatever this is, [02:06:01] this is not like we were whether we were [02:06:03] cast out of Eden because we listened to [02:06:05] the serpent and we rejected God. Whether [02:06:08] that's literal, that's a metaphor. The [02:06:11] the underlying feeling is that we are [02:06:14] aliens on this planet. Yeah. [02:06:16] >> However, we got here is a is a different [02:06:18] question. The New Testament says that a [02:06:20] lot. [02:06:20] >> And we're just like stuck in these like [02:06:22] bodies that don't want to cooperate [02:06:24] and that want to lead us to to things [02:06:27] that we on a spiritual level maybe don't [02:06:30] want to do. So, so the the only real [02:06:34] downside that I've seen from people who [02:06:35] have done the plant medicine, although [02:06:38] there are bad stories like there, like I [02:06:39] after I had a really big night and the [02:06:42] guy said, [02:06:44] you know, if you're thinking about [02:06:46] leaving your wife, call me first. And I [02:06:49] go, I I love my wife more than ever. I [02:06:51] was like, actually would be the [02:06:53] opposite. He goes, okay. He goes, but [02:06:54] you had a big night. So, what happens is [02:06:56] a lot of times people have a big night, [02:06:59] the facilitator or shaman guy isn't good [02:07:03] or he's fly by night and you're just [02:07:05] like, "Oh, I realize I'm not living the [02:07:07] way I'm supposed to." And they just like [02:07:08] up in their life. [02:07:10] >> Yeah. I know someone who did that. [02:07:12] >> Yeah. So, that is a 100% a risk. And [02:07:15] that's why I'm I'm always hesitant to [02:07:18] talk about it because I don't want to [02:07:19] seem like I'm glamorizing it. I want to [02:07:22] like when I talk about Iawaska, I want [02:07:23] it to sound kind of like foreoding. Yes. [02:07:25] >> You know, maybe you shouldn't do this. [02:07:27] You probably shouldn't do this. You [02:07:29] probably shouldn't. You might just blow [02:07:30] up your whole life. You probably [02:07:31] shouldn't do it [02:07:33] >> to [02:07:35] to avoid people going in and saying, [02:07:37] it's like, no, bro. You didn't you were [02:07:39] just bored, right? You were just bored [02:07:41] and now you like destroyed your whole [02:07:42] life. And the real the real work is the [02:07:45] homework. The homework is this what we [02:07:48] got to do here. the downloads from the [02:07:50] universe might feel great at the time or [02:07:52] you might feel like you have all this [02:07:54] insight and connection to a super [02:07:56] intelligence and superpower but you're [02:07:58] still back here on planet Earth so why [02:08:00] don't you spend more time here in this [02:08:02] body and planet earth and figuring out [02:08:04] the the best way to live your life [02:08:06] >> has the experience made you more aware [02:08:08] of like the spiritual realm around you [02:08:10] dayto-day [02:08:11] >> I see everything as spiritual realm yeah [02:08:14] every I see everything as being [02:08:19] interests, entities trying to act upon [02:08:22] humanity in some kind of cosmic war that [02:08:26] we don't really understand. But for [02:08:28] whatever reason, humans are a very [02:08:30] important part of it. Now, my belief [02:08:31] again is the Orthodox Christian part, [02:08:33] which is like I accept the Orthodox [02:08:36] Christianity story is the true one, but [02:08:38] I'm just, you know, I'm trying not to be [02:08:39] a [02:08:41] like I'm a priest because God knows [02:08:43] Trenum or someone if you want a priest. [02:08:45] Stay far away from me. Like that's [02:08:47] people ask me religious questions. I'm [02:08:48] like [02:08:49] >> get away from me and find Josiah Trenum. [02:08:52] I feel the same way. So far away from [02:08:53] you, please. [02:08:54] >> I have no no standing. [02:08:56] >> Yeah. Get away. So I'm just saying like [02:08:58] my own belief is that [02:09:01] >> God created man. We have bodies. The [02:09:04] demons envy us because they they can't [02:09:06] be satiated. They don't have bodies. [02:09:08] They hate us. When they attack us, [02:09:10] that's their revenge against God. So the [02:09:13] demons are constantly trying to use us. [02:09:15] >> They can't be satiated. How in why why [02:09:18] do you say that? That's [02:09:18] >> because they're floating around in a [02:09:20] spirit. They've been denied bodies so [02:09:22] that they are roaming around like in a [02:09:25] in a zombie kind of state. [02:09:27] >> I've always thought that one of the [02:09:28] hallmarks of like hell on earth is the [02:09:31] inability to be satiated, satisfied, [02:09:33] full. [02:09:34] >> Yes. [02:09:34] >> Whether it's eating bad food or having [02:09:36] the wrong kind of sex, it's like it's [02:09:38] never enough or drugs or alcohol or [02:09:40] >> insomnia. [02:09:42] Yeah. Imagine. Yeah. So, they're walking [02:09:43] around in insomnia [02:09:46] >> and they hate us. They hate humans and [02:09:47] they want to hurt us and they more [02:09:49] importantly want us to hurt each other [02:09:52] to to harm God. That's how they see us. [02:09:55] Because the demons think they're going [02:09:57] to win. Remember, like if you're a [02:09:59] Christian, we say, "Well, we know how [02:10:01] the story ends. God wins in the end, [02:10:03] right?" The demons don't believe that, [02:10:05] though. We believe that. They don't [02:10:07] believe it. So they believe that the [02:10:10] they can turn us against each other. [02:10:11] They can get us to hurt each other. They [02:10:14] can like a lot of demons enter people [02:10:16] through traumatic experiences. [02:10:18] >> Yes. [02:10:18] >> They believe [02:10:20] >> they believe they're going to win. This [02:10:21] is not in their minds. They are the [02:10:25] winners in the end. They're going to [02:10:27] win. So they want to use us to get us to [02:10:29] harm each other because they see that as [02:10:31] harming God more than anything else. So [02:10:34] we're constantly being acted upon. So, [02:10:36] I'm constantly like praying for [02:10:37] discernment, discernment, discernment, [02:10:39] discernment, discernment. Am I being [02:10:41] manipulated? Am I being led astray? Cuz [02:10:44] I mean, on a pl political level, I've [02:10:48] been played before by people, by [02:10:49] sources, not knowing it. [02:10:50] >> Oh, me too. [02:10:51] >> And then I find out [02:10:52] >> a lot. [02:10:53] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm So, like when people [02:10:56] tell me things like, "Oh, here's the [02:10:57] truth about the Venezuela raid, or [02:10:59] here's the truth about Israel, or here's [02:11:01] the truth about Palestine." [02:11:04] It's like discernment. Am I just being [02:11:05] played? Cuz everybody once you, you [02:11:07] know, especially at your level, that's [02:11:09] why I was telling telling you guys [02:11:10] earlier like I thank the Lord above that [02:11:14] I am not you, that I'm not Russell [02:11:16] Brand, that I am not Temple, that I am [02:11:20] not any of you guys because I'm so weak [02:11:24] and pathetic. I couldn't imagine if I [02:11:25] had your guys'. [02:11:26] >> Yeah, it's not. [02:11:27] >> You can say that. You can brush it off, [02:11:29] but um [02:11:30] >> I have so many dogs and children that [02:11:31] it's like I don't even notice. But uh I [02:11:34] I make myself not notice. But no, but I [02:11:36] think anyone who's in a position where [02:11:38] other people listen to him is under [02:11:42] particularly fierce attack [02:11:43] >> constant. No, just imagine that the text [02:11:46] like JD is [02:11:47] >> that's imaginable. [02:11:49] >> Just like unreal. Um cuz even sometimes [02:11:52] I'm like ah you I'll see something you [02:11:54] said like I don't I don't agree with [02:11:55] that. And I go, man, I'm not going to be [02:11:57] another guy texting Tucker, nagging him [02:11:59] about [02:12:00] >> Please do [02:12:00] >> nagging nagging him about something. But [02:12:03] no, so I So there is the risk that [02:12:08] as you've seen happen, a person is kind [02:12:10] of an Iawaska tourist. They go in, they [02:12:13] go, "Oh, my whole life has been a lie [02:12:14] and therefore I'm just going to like [02:12:16] blow up my whole life." Don't do that. [02:12:18] Like and if the person you're with is [02:12:20] not or if the shaman or whatever the [02:12:22] facilitator is not telling you like [02:12:25] don't do that then then you're in the [02:12:27] wrong place. But other but other than [02:12:31] that and people getting caught in the [02:12:32] the trap of downloads, [02:12:35] I've seen like the biggest baddest men [02:12:37] on the planet that just want to like hug [02:12:39] their kids and they went from PTSD and [02:12:44] staring off into the void and drinking [02:12:46] and fighting with their wives and [02:12:50] riding motorcycles too fast just for a [02:12:52] rush and because frankly like maybe they [02:12:54] maybe it is a death wish. [02:12:54] >> Of course it is, [02:12:55] >> right? And then you take away [02:12:56] responsibility because you go, "Oh, I [02:12:58] just got in a crash. I didn't kill [02:12:59] myself like some you know, I just [02:13:02] got in a wreck." But really, they're [02:13:03] trying to kill themselves and just [02:13:06] become like it's actually pretty it's [02:13:09] actually changed my view on a lot of [02:13:10] this like real men don't cry and you see [02:13:12] all this bravado and I'm like, "Dude, [02:13:14] I've cried with the Del Force guy. I've [02:13:16] cried with the Seal Team 6 guy. You are [02:13:19] not more whatever your definition of [02:13:21] manly is, you are like not more." If if [02:13:23] you ever see like Marcus Capone, he's [02:13:25] like this. You are not more manly than [02:13:28] Marcus Capone or DJ Shipley or any of [02:13:31] these other guys. That that's like for [02:13:33] sure. So there. So I at the very least I [02:13:37] do hope it because again I don't want [02:13:40] people to listen to this and go to [02:13:40] Iawaska. It's an immense that would be [02:13:43] immensely damaging for somebody to do [02:13:44] that based on what I'm saying to me. I [02:13:46] don't want him to do it. That wouldn't [02:13:48] be a nice thing to do to me. But I do [02:13:51] hope that people can say, "Yeah, what's [02:13:55] the big deal? Like I'm by myself in a [02:13:56] room and I'm praying and I I cry. Why am [02:13:58] I holding it in? Who cares?" Right? And [02:14:02] then find that find that ego is the [02:14:04] reason. I think you're exactly right. So [02:14:07] last question. We we're in a period of [02:14:10] we're in a a huge change period of [02:14:12] course and one of the qualities of it is [02:14:15] chaos. It's just a chaotic moment. It's [02:14:17] hard to understand, especially if [02:14:19] you're, you know, 50 and you've been [02:14:21] watching this stuff your whole life. [02:14:22] It's like all of a sudden this, you [02:14:24] weren't, this is a departure. [02:14:26] >> How much of that chaos is like [02:14:29] spiritual? [02:14:31] >> It always has been. I mean, you remember [02:14:33] that song, Sympathy for the Devil, [02:14:34] Rolling Stone, of course. [02:14:35] >> What if that's not a song? What if [02:14:37] that's real? [02:14:38] >> Right. [02:14:39] >> Well, it is real, [02:14:40] >> right? So in in my view [02:14:43] >> the the [laughter] the the Jacabin [02:14:45] terror, the Bolevik revolution, the [02:14:47] Spanish civil war, what's happening in [02:14:48] Ukraine. Yeah, it's all the same. [02:14:50] >> It's all part of the same strain. So I [02:14:52] think that we because again, you're born [02:14:56] into a certain period of time and then [02:14:58] we tend to overweight the time that [02:14:59] we're in and we see it maybe in a [02:15:02] different color than it should be. We're [02:15:04] not like your son isn't getting drafted [02:15:07] in the Vietnam War. We're not getting [02:15:08] drafted into the World War II. were not [02:15:10] getting drafted into the World War I. I [02:15:13] think that in terms of even though he's [02:15:15] kind of a lamester, Stephen Pinker is [02:15:17] like better angels. I think we were on [02:15:19] the trend to towards a better world and [02:15:22] we've seen that that's been upended, but [02:15:25] that we're still in a good time. And [02:15:26] what we do want to have as our as our [02:15:29] north star is is like preserving order [02:15:33] knowing that like we're going to have [02:15:34] conflict, but if we can find some kind [02:15:37] of allyship or alliance and that means [02:15:40] everybody has to pull their own weight, [02:15:42] then we shouldn't give into the rank or [02:15:44] the infighting. And I I used to be an [02:15:47] infighter and like infighting a lot and [02:15:49] I've cut down on that by at least half. [02:15:53] >> It's a good New Year's resolution. [02:15:56] Mike Sternovich, that that didn't go in [02:15:58] the direction I anticipated. It was much [02:16:00] better and more interesting and deeper. [02:16:02] Thank you. [02:16:03] >> Thank you. My pleasure.